No Linux-based OS can do this.

Snit wrote:
On 8/31/19 8:54 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 7:38 PM, Snit wrote:
I hate the Apple mice

Apple's keyboards and mice are designed by satan himself!



I like the keyboards -- though they do have letters wear off over time
which is a bit silly (should be more than just printed on).

The mice, though, do not work for me at all. Hate'm. Know others who
love them -- and to each their own.


There's at least two ways to do keycaps.

My current cheap keyboard, the letters are just printed,
and after a couple years, are starting to fade already.

My previous keyboard uses "double-shot" keycaps.
The white part of the key, has a "letter shaped hole"
cut in it. And a second (black colored) plastic is
injected into the hole. This means as the white
plastic and black plastic wear, the letter still
reads true. You want something like that, when the
keyswitch underneath is rated for "10 million cycles".

Paul

On 9/1/19 2:32 PM, Paul wrote:
Snit wrote:
On 8/31/19 8:54 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 7:38 PM, Snit wrote:
I hate the Apple mice

Apple's keyboards and mice are designed by satan himself!



I like the keyboards -- though they do have letters wear off over time
which is a bit silly (should be more than just printed on).

The mice, though, do not work for me at all. Hate'm. Know others who
love them -- and to each their own.


There's at least two ways to do keycaps.

My current cheap keyboard, the letters are just printed,
and after a couple years, are starting to fade already.

My previous keyboard uses "double-shot" keycaps.
The white part of the key, has a "letter shaped hole"
cut in it. And a second (black colored) plastic is
injected into the hole. This means as the white
plastic and black plastic wear, the letter still
reads true. You want something like that, when the
keyswitch underneath is rated for "10 million cycles".

Â*Â* Paul

Yes... there is no reason for Apple to not handle that better. It is not
like it is a HUGE issue... my current keyboard is mostly fine (A and E
are a bit faded), but I have ones that are older where several keys are
not readable.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article , Snit
wrote:

But, yes, sometimes it needs to be restarted or
whatever and novices might not know to restart from menu or dock.

rarely does the system need to be restarted, but if so, there's a
restart menu item.

I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system. Apple does call
that "restart" though, so I can see where this was not clear.

actually they don't, but regardless, the only reason to relaunch a
program is if it crashed, and the crash dialog has a button to do
exactly that.

Apple Restart...

They do.

that reboots the computer.

it does not relaunch individual apps.

Which is what I said. Sure. Glad we are on the same page now.

nope. you said apple uses the term restart for relaunching programs.
that is false. they do not.




installed apps are in the applications folder, unless the user put it
somewhere else.

Of course it is in the Application menu... but what I am noting is many
new / non-techie users do not even really know what that means.

for that type of user, put the relevant apps in the dock for them, or

I do not tend to go to the house of strangers and put things on their
dock, but, sure, if I am working with them I do.

nobody said to go to random houses and reconfigure things.

I am speaking of users in general (or non-techie ones) and you said I
should "put the relevant apps in the dock for them".

anyone confused by an applications folder is best served with the apps
they need to use in the dock, which given their confusion, is not
something they will be savvy enough to do on their own.

I assure you I am not going to do this. Really, at this point you have
no real point. You are arguing to argue and not even showing
understanding of what is being talked about.

that would be you.

better yet, get them an ipad.

I am not going to buy people iPads. Are you willing to buy me one?

the point is that if they're confused by an application folder, whether
it's mac or windows, then an ipad is a better choice.

Depending on what they want to do it might be. But many in that group
are older and prefer larger screens, or for other reasons want a "full"
computer. But the iPad is becoming a better and better choice. Sure.

But none of that changes the fact that adding apps on macOS can be
confusing to a fair number of users.

it's much less confusing than other platforms.

Why not have a dock icon where the
last 3 or 5 new programs are shown? Mayne that a default and more
advanced users can turn it off.

that exists, and is called recent items.

On 9/1/19 2:59 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

But, yes, sometimes it needs to be restarted or
whatever and novices might not know to restart from menu or dock.

rarely does the system need to be restarted, but if so, there's a
restart menu item.

I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system. Apple does call
that "restart" though, so I can see where this was not clear.

actually they don't, but regardless, the only reason to relaunch a
program is if it crashed, and the crash dialog has a button to do
exactly that.

Apple Restart...

They do.

that reboots the computer.

it does not relaunch individual apps.

Which is what I said. Sure. Glad we are on the same page now.

nope. you said apple uses the term restart for relaunching programs.

I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied that... and even pointed you
to Apple Restart.

You misunderstood. As I said I can see how... but it was still nothing
*I* said. Not really interested in your blame games.

that is false. they do not.

We are in agreement on that.

installed apps are in the applications folder, unless the user put it
somewhere else.

Of course it is in the Application menu... but what I am noting is many
new / non-techie users do not even really know what that means.

for that type of user, put the relevant apps in the dock for them, or

I do not tend to go to the house of strangers and put things on their
dock, but, sure, if I am working with them I do.

nobody said to go to random houses and reconfigure things.

I am speaking of users in general (or non-techie ones) and you said I
should "put the relevant apps in the dock for them".

anyone confused by an applications folder is best served with the apps
they need to use in the dock, which given their confusion, is not
something they will be savvy enough to do on their own.

Sure. Hence why I speak of having newly installed apps being on the dock.

Your need to have things explained to you multiple times is a bit odd.

I assure you I am not going to do this. Really, at this point you have
no real point. You are arguing to argue and not even showing
understanding of what is being talked about.

that would be you.

You keep insisting I said things I did not and going in circles... for
example, how many times do you need it covered that the dock is a good
place to have new apps be found? How many times do you need it explained
to you that when I spoke of restarting APPLICATIONS that does not imply
restarting the COMPUTER?

better yet, get them an ipad.

I am not going to buy people iPads. Are you willing to buy me one?

the point is that if they're confused by an application folder, whether
it's mac or windows, then an ipad is a better choice.

Depending on what they want to do it might be. But many in that group
are older and prefer larger screens, or for other reasons want a "full"
computer. But the iPad is becoming a better and better choice. Sure.

But none of that changes the fact that adding apps on macOS can be
confusing to a fair number of users.

it's much less confusing than other platforms.

Windows users seem to use the OLD Start menu to find apps fairly well.
The new one not so much.

Why not have a dock icon where the
last 3 or 5 new programs are shown? Mayne that a default and more
advanced users can turn it off.

that exists, and is called recent items.

It does not exist, but the Recent Items option does. Do you need it
explained how they are different?


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 9/1/19 11:55 AM, Snit wrote:
On 9/1/19 11:24 AM, Snit wrote:
On 8/31/19 9:03 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 7:48 PM, Paul wrote:
ThisÂ*isÂ*aÂ*lotÂ*likeÂ*aÂ*"vi"Â*versusÂ*"emacs"Â* discussion.

That always starts fights over on the Linux group.Â* Chuckle.

I use Leafpad (simple text editor and lets me save in CD+_LF)

vi (editor from hell) because it know it and it does
somethings better and is really fast.

Geany because it work well over ssh and X11

never learned emacs


When I am having issues which copy and pasting weird
formatting, I will past into Leafpad to drop all the
formatting, then copy and paste from Leafpad to where
I want to go.Â*Â* Like ctrlshiftv when it is not
available


Same here. I will sometimes use BBEdit for that, but most of the
programs I use have a "Past and Match Style" featu

https://youtu.be/afoubyc2TRQ




Um, PASTE and match style.


The tricks one picks up! :-)

On 9/1/19 2:37 PM, Snit wrote:
On 9/1/19 2:32 PM, Paul wrote:
Snit wrote:
On 8/31/19 8:54 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 7:38 PM, Snit wrote:
I hate the Apple mice

Apple's keyboards and mice are designed by satan himself!



I like the keyboards -- though they do have letters wear off over
time which is a bit silly (should be more than just printed on).

The mice, though, do not work for me at all. Hate'm. Know others who
love them -- and to each their own.


There's at least two ways to do keycaps.

My current cheap keyboard, the letters are just printed,
and after a couple years, are starting to fade already.

My previous keyboard uses "double-shot" keycaps.
The white part of the key, has a "letter shaped hole"
cut in it. And a second (black colored) plastic is
injected into the hole. This means as the white
plastic and black plastic wear, the letter still
reads true. You want something like that, when the
keyswitch underneath is rated for "10 million cycles".

Â*Â*Â* Paul

Yes... there is no reason for Apple to not handle that better. It is not
like it is a HUGE issue... my current keyboard is mostly fine (A and E
are a bit faded), but I have ones that are older where several keys are
not readable.


I adore UniComp keyboards.

As for that obnoxious artsy fartsy blue tooth Apple keyboard,
when I have to boot off a live USB, I have my own mini USB
keyboard I carry in my briefcase. A real mouse too.

On 9/1/19 7:53 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
[snip]

My favorite typo is "Widows" for "Windows".Â* I get
razzed a lot for that one.Â* All funny!

-T

I've done that one.

On the first computer I bought (1982, BASIC language), I often entered
LUST instead of LIST (strangely, U and I keys were next to each other).


Hi Mark,

Chuckle.

I use a utility on Windows Nein (W10) called ShutUp10. Only
on the first "u", I hit the vowel just to the right of
it. It get a bit colorful!

When I am working on Windows Nein (w10) and have to turn off
Fast Boot, I do a restart

shutdown /f /r /t 00

And make the same mistake. But considering my technical opinion
of Windows Nein (w10), it might be mental slip and not a typo.
Chuckle.

-T

On 9/1/19 5:29 PM, T wrote:
On 9/1/19 11:55 AM, Snit wrote:
On 9/1/19 11:24 AM, Snit wrote:
On 8/31/19 9:03 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 7:48 PM, Paul wrote:
ThisÂ*isÂ*aÂ*lotÂ*likeÂ*aÂ*"vi"Â*versusÂ*"emacs"Â* discussion.

That always starts fights over on the Linux group.Â* Chuckle.

I use Leafpad (simple text editor and lets me save in CD+_LF)

vi (editor from hell) because it know it and it does
somethings better and is really fast.

Geany because it work well over ssh and X11

never learned emacs


When I am having issues which copy and pasting weird
formatting, I will past into Leafpad to drop all the
formatting, then copy and paste from Leafpad to where
I want to go.Â*Â* Like ctrlshiftv when it is not
available


Same here. I will sometimes use BBEdit for that, but most of the
programs I use have a "Past and Match Style" featu

https://youtu.be/afoubyc2TRQ




Um, PASTE and match style.


The tricks one picks up!Â* :-)


OK, would love to see what you (and others) do as "clever" workflows.
Not Earth-shattering stuff... but things you think your system, or even
you, do which others do not think of. Does not mean others cannot do the
task, but just something done differently and perhaps better.

I used to post a number of them... this one is perhaps the one I get the
most teasing for

* From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
would be. A couple ways I might: https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0.



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 9/1/19 5:32 PM, T wrote:
On 9/1/19 2:37 PM, Snit wrote:
On 9/1/19 2:32 PM, Paul wrote:
Snit wrote:
On 8/31/19 8:54 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 7:38 PM, Snit wrote:
I hate the Apple mice

Apple's keyboards and mice are designed by satan himself!



I like the keyboards -- though they do have letters wear off over
time which is a bit silly (should be more than just printed on).

The mice, though, do not work for me at all. Hate'm. Know others who
love them -- and to each their own.


There's at least two ways to do keycaps.

My current cheap keyboard, the letters are just printed,
and after a couple years, are starting to fade already.

My previous keyboard uses "double-shot" keycaps.
The white part of the key, has a "letter shaped hole"
cut in it. And a second (black colored) plastic is
injected into the hole. This means as the white
plastic and black plastic wear, the letter still
reads true. You want something like that, when the
keyswitch underneath is rated for "10 million cycles".

Â*Â*Â* Paul

Yes... there is no reason for Apple to not handle that better. It is
not like it is a HUGE issue... my current keyboard is mostly fine (A
and E are a bit faded), but I have ones that are older where several
keys are not readable.


I adore UniComp keyboards.

As for that obnoxious artsy fartsy blue tooth Apple keyboard,
when I have to boot off a live USB, I have my own mini USB
keyboard I carry in my briefcase.Â* A real mouse too.


What makes you see the Apple keyboard as "artsy fartsy"? One of the
things I like about it is how non-adorned it is. On the front nothing --
just the keys... not even an Apple logo (though there is one on the
bottom). On the back there is a small line for Bluetooth communication,
a spot to plug it in to recharge it (needed every 2-3 months) and an on
/ off switch.

I do have the bigger one with the number pad. In my mind no reason not
to on a desktop computer.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 9/1/19 5:41 PM, T wrote:
On 9/1/19 7:53 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
[snip]

My favorite typo is "Widows" for "Windows".Â* I get
razzed a lot for that one.Â* All funny!

-T

I've done that one.

On the first computer I bought (1982, BASIC language), I often entered
LUST instead of LIST (strangely, U and I keys were next to each other).


Hi Mark,

Chuckle.

I use a utility on Windows Nein (W10) called ShutUp10.Â* Only
on the first "u", I hit the vowel just to the right of
it.Â* It get a bit colorful!

When I am working on Windows Nein (w10) and have to turn off
Fast Boot, I do a restart

Â*Â*Â*Â* shutdown /f /r /t 00

And make the same mistake.Â* But considering my technical opinion
of Windows Nein (w10), it might be mental slip and not a typo.
Chuckle.

-T


The I and the O being next to each other means I sometimes mess up my
own "Snit" moniker.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article , Snit
wrote:

But, yes, sometimes it needs to be restarted or
whatever and novices might not know to restart from menu or dock.

rarely does the system need to be restarted, but if so, there's a
restart menu item.

I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system. Apple does call
that "restart" though, so I can see where this was not clear.

actually they don't, but regardless, the only reason to relaunch a
program is if it crashed, and the crash dialog has a button to do
exactly that.

Apple Restart...

They do.

that reboots the computer.

it does not relaunch individual apps.

Which is what I said. Sure. Glad we are on the same page now.

nope. you said apple uses the term restart for relaunching programs.

I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied that... and even pointed you
to Apple Restart.

You misunderstood. As I said I can see how... but it was still nothing
*I* said. Not really interested in your blame games.

you did:
I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system.

looks clear to me.

that is false. they do not.

We are in agreement on that.

yet you just said otherwise:
I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system. Apple does call
that "restart" though

windows also uses the term restart for rebooting the system, as does
synology and numerous other products.


installed apps are in the applications folder, unless the user put it
somewhere else.

Of course it is in the Application menu... but what I am noting is many
new / non-techie users do not even really know what that means.

for that type of user, put the relevant apps in the dock for them, or

I do not tend to go to the house of strangers and put things on their
dock, but, sure, if I am working with them I do.

nobody said to go to random houses and reconfigure things.

I am speaking of users in general (or non-techie ones) and you said I
should "put the relevant apps in the dock for them".

anyone confused by an applications folder is best served with the apps
they need to use in the dock, which given their confusion, is not
something they will be savvy enough to do on their own.

Sure. Hence why I speak of having newly installed apps being on the dock.

that only serves to clutter up the dock.

Your need to have things explained to you multiple times is a bit odd.

you need to be more clear in what you write.

I assure you I am not going to do this. Really, at this point you have
no real point. You are arguing to argue and not even showing
understanding of what is being talked about.

that would be you.

You keep insisting I said things I did not and going in circles... for
example, how many times do you need it covered that the dock is a good
place to have new apps be found?

the dock is the user's domain, to be configured as *they* want and to
best fit *their* needs. making it a dumping ground for all newly
installed apps is a terrible idea.

look inside the applications folder and you'll see ****loads of apps.
imagine every single one of them in the dock.

How many times do you need it explained
to you that when I spoke of restarting APPLICATIONS that does not imply
restarting the COMPUTER?

something which you just denied saying.

better yet, get them an ipad.

I am not going to buy people iPads. Are you willing to buy me one?

the point is that if they're confused by an application folder, whether
it's mac or windows, then an ipad is a better choice.

Depending on what they want to do it might be. But many in that group
are older and prefer larger screens, or for other reasons want a "full"
computer. But the iPad is becoming a better and better choice. Sure.

But none of that changes the fact that adding apps on macOS can be
confusing to a fair number of users.

it's much less confusing than other platforms.

Windows users seem to use the OLD Start menu to find apps fairly well.
The new one not so much.

the new windows start menu is *much* easier to navigate than the old
one. substantially so.

Why not have a dock icon where the
last 3 or 5 new programs are shown? Mayne that a default and more
advanced users can turn it off.

that exists, and is called recent items.

It does not exist, but the Recent Items option does.

it does exist:

http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/u...-items-dock-it
em-mac-os-x.jpg

mojave puts the last three apps directly in the dock:
https://i1.wp.com/www.techjunkie.com...018/09/extra-i
cons-dock-mac-mojave.jpg

Do you need it
explained how they are different?

nope, but you certainly do.

On 9/1/19 6:09 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

But, yes, sometimes it needs to be restarted or
whatever and novices might not know to restart from menu or dock.

rarely does the system need to be restarted, but if so, there's a
restart menu item.

I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system. Apple does call
that "restart" though, so I can see where this was not clear.

actually they don't, but regardless, the only reason to relaunch a
program is if it crashed, and the crash dialog has a button to do
exactly that.

Apple Restart...

They do.

that reboots the computer.

it does not relaunch individual apps.

Which is what I said. Sure. Glad we are on the same page now.

nope. you said apple uses the term restart for relaunching programs.

I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied that... and even pointed you
to Apple Restart.

You misunderstood. As I said I can see how... but it was still nothing
*I* said. Not really interested in your blame games.

you did:
I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system.

looks clear to me.

that is false. they do not.

We are in agreement on that.

yet you just said otherwise:
I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system. Apple does call
that "restart" though

windows also uses the term restart for rebooting the system, as does
synology and numerous other products.


installed apps are in the applications folder, unless the user put it
somewhere else.

Of course it is in the Application menu... but what I am noting is many
new / non-techie users do not even really know what that means.

for that type of user, put the relevant apps in the dock for them, or

I do not tend to go to the house of strangers and put things on their
dock, but, sure, if I am working with them I do.

nobody said to go to random houses and reconfigure things.

I am speaking of users in general (or non-techie ones) and you said I
should "put the relevant apps in the dock for them".

anyone confused by an applications folder is best served with the apps
they need to use in the dock, which given their confusion, is not
something they will be savvy enough to do on their own.

Sure. Hence why I speak of having newly installed apps being on the dock.

that only serves to clutter up the dock.

Your need to have things explained to you multiple times is a bit odd.

you need to be more clear in what you write.

I assure you I am not going to do this. Really, at this point you have
no real point. You are arguing to argue and not even showing
understanding of what is being talked about.

that would be you.

You keep insisting I said things I did not and going in circles... for
example, how many times do you need it covered that the dock is a good
place to have new apps be found?

the dock is the user's domain, to be configured as *they* want and to
best fit *their* needs. making it a dumping ground for all newly
installed apps is a terrible idea.

look inside the applications folder and you'll see ****loads of apps.
imagine every single one of them in the dock.

How many times do you need it explained
to you that when I spoke of restarting APPLICATIONS that does not imply
restarting the COMPUTER?

something which you just denied saying.

better yet, get them an ipad.

I am not going to buy people iPads. Are you willing to buy me one?

the point is that if they're confused by an application folder, whether
it's mac or windows, then an ipad is a better choice.

Depending on what they want to do it might be. But many in that group
are older and prefer larger screens, or for other reasons want a "full"
computer. But the iPad is becoming a better and better choice. Sure.

But none of that changes the fact that adding apps on macOS can be
confusing to a fair number of users.

it's much less confusing than other platforms.

Windows users seem to use the OLD Start menu to find apps fairly well.
The new one not so much.

the new windows start menu is *much* easier to navigate than the old
one. substantially so.

Why not have a dock icon where the
last 3 or 5 new programs are shown? Mayne that a default and more
advanced users can turn it off.

that exists, and is called recent items.

It does not exist, but the Recent Items option does.

it does exist:

http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/u...-items-dock-it
em-mac-os-x.jpg

mojave puts the last three apps directly in the dock:
https://i1.wp.com/www.techjunkie.com...018/09/extra-i
cons-dock-mac-mojave.jpg

Do you need it
explained how they are different?

nope, but you certainly do.



Not going line by line:

* My telling you how you misunderstood me to mean restarting the system
when I spoke of restarting programs somehow means I means what you
misunderstood me to mean. Listen, that is insane. I acknowledged my use
of the term "restart" could understandably confuse you, but it was
nothing I ever said, suggested, hinted, or implied. You misunderstood.
It is not a big deal. Move the hell on. I mean, really, are you going to
keep arguing you knew what I said and meant more than *I* did? You are
the expert in knowing what I was talking about and NOT me? Are you
really going to play that game? Keep in mind you CANNOT quote me saying
as you claim I said.

* You say an OPTIONAL feature to show recently installed programs would
serve to "clutter up the dock". Well, then, turn it off if you do not
like it. This is much like the new feature that shows recently USED
programs, which also can be turned on and off. You referenced this
feature so I know you are familiar with it. Yes, much like that but for
recently INSTALLED apps, or apps recently added to the Applications folder.

* With the theoretical feature I speak of you confused it with the
Recently used FOLDER, which is similar to what I am speaking of but not
the same (really you made the same mistake with the feature that shows
recently USED programs).

Really, this has been covered. Not sure why you need things rehashed so
many times.

* You like the new Windows Start menu. I do not. OK. Happy there is
Classic Menu which gives me choice. Choice is good.





--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 9/1/19 5:43 PM, Snit wrote:
On 9/1/19 5:29 PM, T wrote:
On 9/1/19 11:55 AM, Snit wrote:
On 9/1/19 11:24 AM, Snit wrote:
On 8/31/19 9:03 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 7:48 PM, Paul wrote:
ThisÂ*isÂ*aÂ*lotÂ*likeÂ*aÂ*"vi"Â*versusÂ*"emacs"Â* discussion.

That always starts fights over on the Linux group.Â* Chuckle.

I use Leafpad (simple text editor and lets me save in CD+_LF)

vi (editor from hell) because it know it and it does
somethings better and is really fast.

Geany because it work well over ssh and X11

never learned emacs


When I am having issues which copy and pasting weird
formatting, I will past into Leafpad to drop all the
formatting, then copy and paste from Leafpad to where
I want to go.Â*Â* Like ctrlshiftv when it is not
available


Same here. I will sometimes use BBEdit for that, but most of the
programs I use have a "Past and Match Style" featu

https://youtu.be/afoubyc2TRQ




Um, PASTE and match style.


The tricks one picks up!Â* :-)


OK, would love to see what you (and others) do as "clever" workflows.
Not Earth-shattering stuff... but things you think your system, or even
you, do which others do not think of. Does not mean others cannot do the
task, but just something done differently and perhaps better.

I used to post a number of them... this one is perhaps the one I get the
most teasing for

* From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
would be. A couple ways I might: https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0.




Not following you.

nospam wrote in
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In article , Snit
wrote:

But, yes, sometimes it needs to be restarted or
whatever and novices might not know to restart from
menu or dock.

rarely does the system need to be restarted, but if so,
there's a restart menu item.

I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system.
Apple does call that "restart" though, so I can see
where this was not clear.

actually they don't, but regardless, the only reason to
relaunch a program is if it crashed, and the crash dialog
has a button to do exactly that.

Apple Restart...

They do.

that reboots the computer.

it does not relaunch individual apps.

Which is what I said. Sure. Glad we are on the same page
now.

nope. you said apple uses the term restart for relaunching
programs.

I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied that... and even
pointed you to Apple Restart.

You misunderstood. As I said I can see how... but it was still
nothing *I* said. Not really interested in your blame games.

you did:
I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system.

looks clear to me.

that is false. they do not.

We are in agreement on that.

yet you just said otherwise:
I meant restart the program -- not reboot the system.
Apple does call that "restart" though

windows also uses the term restart for rebooting the system, as
does synology and numerous other products.


installed apps are in the applications folder, unless
the user put it somewhere else.

Of course it is in the Application menu... but what I am
noting is many new / non-techie users do not even really
know what that means.

for that type of user, put the relevant apps in the dock
for them, or

I do not tend to go to the house of strangers and put
things on their dock, but, sure, if I am working with them
I do.

nobody said to go to random houses and reconfigure things.

I am speaking of users in general (or non-techie ones) and
you said I should "put the relevant apps in the dock for
them".

anyone confused by an applications folder is best served with
the apps they need to use in the dock, which given their
confusion, is not something they will be savvy enough to do
on their own.

Sure. Hence why I speak of having newly installed apps being on
the dock.

that only serves to clutter up the dock.

Your need to have things explained to you multiple times is a
bit odd.

you need to be more clear in what you write.

I assure you I am not going to do this. Really, at this
point you have no real point. You are arguing to argue and
not even showing understanding of what is being talked
about.

that would be you.

You keep insisting I said things I did not and going in
circles... for example, how many times do you need it covered
that the dock is a good place to have new apps be found?

the dock is the user's domain, to be configured as *they* want
and to best fit *their* needs. making it a dumping ground for
all newly installed apps is a terrible idea.

look inside the applications folder and you'll see ****loads of
apps. imagine every single one of them in the dock.

How many times do you need it explained
to you that when I spoke of restarting APPLICATIONS that does
not imply restarting the COMPUTER?

something which you just denied saying.

better yet, get them an ipad.

I am not going to buy people iPads. Are you willing to buy
me one?

the point is that if they're confused by an application
folder, whether it's mac or windows, then an ipad is a
better choice.

Depending on what they want to do it might be. But many in
that group are older and prefer larger screens, or for other
reasons want a "full" computer. But the iPad is becoming a
better and better choice. Sure.

But none of that changes the fact that adding apps on macOS
can be confusing to a fair number of users.

it's much less confusing than other platforms.

Windows users seem to use the OLD Start menu to find apps
fairly well. The new one not so much.

the new windows start menu is *much* easier to navigate than the
old one. substantially so.

Why not have a dock icon where the
last 3 or 5 new programs are shown? Mayne that a default and
more advanced users can turn it off.

that exists, and is called recent items.

It does not exist, but the Recent Items option does.

it does exist:

http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/u.../recent-items-
dock-it em-mac-os-x.jpg

mojave puts the last three apps directly in the dock:
https://i1.wp.com/www.techjunkie.com...loads/2018/09/
extra-i cons-dock-mac-mojave.jpg

Do you need it
explained how they are different?

nope, but you certainly do.


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On 9/1/19 5:46 PM, Snit wrote:
What makes you see the Apple keyboard as "artsy fartsy"?

I can type. Typing in high publik hi skool was the best
course I took. This means I can type with all my fingers
whilst watching the screen and not having to constantly look down
at the keyboard.

1) there is no tactile feedback. For that you need a "buckling
spring" (Unicomp)

2) it is difficult to tell the keys apart by touch, meaning there
is not enough delineation to tell where the edges of the keys are
(Unicomp).

3) there is no FREAKIN' delete key, only a backspace key.


It is basically a two finger "hunt and peck" keyboard as you
can now type on it without looking at it. It was designed to
be "pretentious" looking (artsy fartsy). As they say, if Apple
ever goes out of business, the only thing left will be a certain,
particular air of condescension. As a typist, Apple's keyboard
drives me insane.

Everyone I know who is a serious user of Mac, gets themselves real
keyboards and mice.

You should look up Unicomp keyboards if you want a serious keyboard.
They emulate the IBM Selectric typewriter, which was the be all
and end all of a true typist's typewriter.