Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

https://www.tfir.io/2019/05/15/why-l...p-failed-mark-
shuttleworth/

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/19/.../why-linux-on-
desktop-failed-a-discussion-with-mark-shuttleworth

"Mark Shuttleworth, founder and CEO of Canonical, summed it in a
few words: "I think the bigger challenge has been that we haven't
invented anything in the Linux that was like deeply, powerfully
ahead of its time." He also said that "if in the free software
community we only allow ourselves to talk about things that look
like something that already exists, then we're sort of defining
ourselves as a series of forks and fragmentations." He added that
it seems the desktop Linux people want to be angry at something. We
wanted to do amazing things with Unity but the community won't let
us do it, so here we are. He also commended Google folks for what
they have built for Chrome OS."

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On 2019-09-11, Wingnut McSprocket wrote:
Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

This video interview has been out for a while but after I watched it
I wondered 2 things:

1. Does Mark Shuttleworth really have the place to make sweeping
statements about Linux in general, rather than just his own
corner of the Linux world?
2. When did he start looking so tired and old!!

Andrew
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Wingnut McSprocket wrote:
Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

https://www.tfir.io/2019/05/15/why-l...p-failed-mark-
shuttleworth/

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/19/.../why-linux-on-
desktop-failed-a-discussion-with-mark-shuttleworth

"Mark Shuttleworth, founder and CEO of Canonical, summed it in a
few words: "I think the bigger challenge has been that we haven't
invented anything in the Linux that was like deeply, powerfully
ahead of its time." He also said that "if in the free software
community we only allow ourselves to talk about things that look
like something that already exists, then we're sort of defining
ourselves as a series of forks and fragmentations." He added that
it seems the desktop Linux people want to be angry at something. We
wanted to do amazing things with Unity but the community won't let
us do it, so here we are. He also commended Google folks for what
they have built for Chrome OS."




Excellent interview I had not seen. Thank you. And good to hear folks in
the Linux community say these types of things.

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On 9/11/19 1:19 PM, Wingnut McSprocket wrote:
Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

https://www.tfir.io/2019/05/15/why-l...p-failed-mark-
shuttleworth/

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/19/.../why-linux-on-
desktop-failed-a-discussion-with-mark-shuttleworth

"Mark Shuttleworth, founder and CEO of Canonical, summed it in a
few words: "I think the bigger challenge has been that we haven't
invented anything in the Linux that was like deeply, powerfully
ahead of its time." He also said that "if in the free software
community we only allow ourselves to talk about things that look
like something that already exists, then we're sort of defining
ourselves as a series of forks and fragmentations." He added that
it seems the desktop Linux people want to be angry at something. We
wanted to do amazing things with Unity but the community won't let
us do it, so here we are. He also commended Google folks for what
they have built for Chrome OS."



What a crock.

The user does not give a s*** what OS he is using. He
only cares if his programs work. And Windows owns
the program base. From the user's point of view, if
his QuickBooks and his Turbotax does not work, then
the OS does not work. He does not care why. Here is
a quarter. Go tell it to some who cares.

Linux's desktop have come into their own. There
are several that are very well done and much better
than Windows 10. Linux need to concentrate on taking
over the install base of software.

Linux is technically superior to Windows but it
does not matter. Windows runs all the software.

T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.



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On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Nothing showed. I presumed infernal November screwed up.

On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?

On 2019-09-12 1:14 p.m., T wrote:
On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?

I think that's a Message-ID. How does one look up a Message-ID, anyway?

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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 13:20:08 -0400, Rabid Rogue wrote:

On 2019-09-12 1:14 p.m., T wrote:
On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?

I think that's a Message-ID. How does one look up a Message-ID, anyway?

Proper newsreaders allow you to double click it and the message opens in
a new window. That works for me. (Forte Agent 2.0)

T wrote:

chrisv wrote:

Here's my response.


Your response is an eMail address?

That's not an email address, it's a usenet message-id

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cphiknedtsvjrs4kiblk1s1egiicad 7q2bq%404ax.com%3E

On 9/12/19 10:20 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote:

chrisv wrote:

Here's my response.


Your response is an eMail address?

That's not an email address, it's a usenet message-id

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cphiknedtsvjrs4kiblk1s1egiicad 7q2bq%404ax.com%3E


Okay I see now:

T wrote:

The user does not give a s*** what OS he is using. He
only cares if his programs work. And Windows owns
the program base. From the user's point of view, if
his Quick Books and his Turbotax does not work, then
the OS does not work. He does not care why.

Many people have no need of such special applications.

I see tons of folks over two counties for the last 24 years.
There is always one program they have to run that kills Linux.
Usually is is Quick Books, and virtually every business
uses it. Some times it is M$ Office. A lot of time it
it is things like Turbo Tax and those ancestry programs.
There is always something.

And believe me, I don't care much for Windows, even though it provided
me with a fine living. I'd much rather put Linux on my customers.
It is far more reliable, faster, and to be quite honest, a lot
more fun to work on.

Oh ya, GnuCash work on Linux (I personally use it), but it does not
do inventory or payroll. And good luck trying to find an accountant
that understands it. I have personally witnessed accountants
tell Apple users with Quick Books files to go home, get a Windows
computer, and come back with a Windows quick books file.

Are you seeing a trend?


Also, as the years progress, more and more applications become
browser-based, making it less and less important what OS is being
used.

True for Cloud based programs. Edge base not so true.
And I think Cloud Based systems have met their usefulness
and have started to get a bit ridiculous.


Linux's desktop have come into their own. There
are several that are very well done and much better
than Windows 10. Linux need to concentrate on taking
over the install base of software.

The Linux community is already doing what it should be doing.

Obviously, it would be ridiculous to suggest that they could keep-up,
in applications, with the 40X larger Windows ecosystem.

As I have stated before, Linux is technically superior to Windows, and
not by a little, by a lot. From the users standpoint, if the programs
don't work, they don't care, the OS doesn't work. Here is a quarter,
go tell it to someone who cares.

Maybe the solution is for someone like Red Hat to get behind Wine
and make Wine work right for all Windows programs. But that
maybe bad too as programmers would never port to Linux.

On 9/12/19 10:14 AM, T wrote:
On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?

He is saying people have no need for such amazingly specialized programs
as basic tax or personal accounting programs.



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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 9/12/19 11:47 AM, Snit wrote:
On 9/12/19 10:14 AM, T wrote:
On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?

He is saying people have no need for such amazingly specialized programs
as basic tax or personal accounting programs.





Every small business I come across used Quick Books.
It is not specialized. It is common. This is
why I can't put a single business on Linux Desktops.
Server are another matter.

Linux just does not run enough "common" software.
And it is a far better OS too.

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:14:16 -0700, T wrote:

On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?

Bro, do you even compute?

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T wrote:

The user does not give a s*** what OS he is using. He
only cares if his programs work. And Windows owns
the program base. From the user's point of view, if
his Quick Books and his Turbotax does not work, then
the OS does not work. He does not care why.

Many people have no need of such special applications.

Also, as the years progress, more and more applications become
browser-based, making it less and less important what OS is being
used.

Linux's desktop have come into their own. There
are several that are very well done and much better
than Windows 10. Linux need to concentrate on taking
over the install base of software.

The Linux community is already doing what it should be doing.

Obviously, it would be ridiculous to suggest that they could keep-up,
in applications, with the 40X larger Windows ecosystem.

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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:14:16 -0700, T wrote:

On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?

Bro, do you even compute?

Classic Linux elite response.
Hint, Obi-Linux, most people have no idea about usenet
message IDs nor do they care which is why usenet is one
minor step from dying.


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Freaky.
You understand this ****?


T wrote:

The user does not give a s*** what OS he is using. He
only cares if his programs work. And Windows owns
the program base. From the user's point of view, if
his Quick Books and his Turbotax does not work, then
the OS does not work. He does not care why.

Many people have no need of such special applications.

Also, as the years progress, more and more applications become
browser-based, making it less and less important what OS is being
used.

Linux's desktop have come into their own. There
are several that are very well done and much better
than Windows 10. Linux need to concentrate on taking
over the install base of software.

The Linux community is already doing what it should be doing.

Failing miserably?
Yea, the Linux community are experts at failure.
Desktop Linux is one example.
Thanks for proving his point.