Clone Won't boot

I am trying to get a system in place to clone a hard drive on my desktop
computer under WinXP Home. I want to clone the "C" drive so that the
clone will boot when I place it in "C" position on the desktop computer.
Nothing fancy, just a simple clone of my "C" drive that will boot when I
swap it with the current "C" drive.

I have been sucessful in doing this with the DOS version of Norton Ghost
2003. But, using DOS Ghost requires that I shut down, open the case,
place the "clone" in "D" position, put the Ghost floppy in the drive,
boot to Ghost, do the clone, shut down, remove the clone drive and put
"D" back in "D" position, close the case, remove the floppy and boot. It
works but it is a long process. When the clone is placed in "C" position
it boots just fine with a message about new hardware found and asks to
reboot. On reboot, everything is OK.

I have an Addonics External USB2.0 case that will take a hard drive, but
Ghost can't make a clone of a boot drive from WinXP and the Addonics
will only support USB1.1 under DOS. So a clone would take maybe 16 hours
under DOS Ghost.

I bought PowerQuest Drive Image 7.0 which is supposed to work under
WinXP without the need to boot to DOS for any clone. The process is very
simple. Plug the Addonics into a USB port, start Drive image and make a
clone of "C" to the Addonics hard drive. Only one problem, when I placed
the clone in "C" position, it won't boot. It goes through POST and the
WinXP splash display and then freezes at the blue startup display. I
must be doing something wrong in the setup of Drive Image to create the
clone, but I don't have a clue.

Can someone please help?

Thanks, jimbo

See my inline comments...

"jimbo" wrote in message
...
I am trying to get a system in place to clone a hard drive on my desktop
computer under WinXP Home. I want to clone the "C" drive so that the clone
will boot when I place it in "C" position on the desktop computer. Nothing
fancy, just a simple clone of my "C" drive that will boot when I swap it
with the current "C" drive.
I have been sucessful in doing this with the DOS version of Norton Ghost
2003. But, using DOS Ghost requires that I shut down, open the case, place
the "clone" in "D" position, put the Ghost floppy in the drive, boot to
Ghost, do the clone, shut down, remove the clone drive and put "D" back in
"D" position, close the case, remove the floppy and boot. It works but it
is a long process. When the clone is placed in "C" position it boots just
fine with a message about new hardware found and asks to reboot. On
reboot, everything is OK.
All that you have described above is perfectly normal. Are you saying that
you have only one internal hard drive, so that you need to install a
destination disk everytime you clone your working hard drive? If so, the
obvious answer is to install two hard drives in your machine, no? Then you
can routinely clone your working drive to the permanently installed
destination drive. Presumably, you're using the destination disk as a backup
to your working drive, so that if that drive fails for any reason and is not
bootable, you would use your backup drive in its place. I wouldn't envision
that this is a routine affair where you're continually having to reconfigure
the destination drive as your booting drive.
As I believe I have told you before, a much better system for your needs
would be to have two removable hard drives installed in your computer. Then
you could easily boot to either drive without the necessity of getting
inside your case and making the necessary jumper/cable connections.
Naturally, your case has to have two available 5 1/4" bays to accommodate
the mobile racks which house the hard drives.

I have an Addonics External USB2.0 case that will take a hard drive, but
Ghost can't make a clone of a boot drive from WinXP and the Addonics will
only support USB1.1 under DOS. So a clone would take maybe 16 hours
under DOS Ghost.
Ghost (I assume you're using the 2003 version) is perfectly capable of
cloning to a USB external hard drive using a Ghost bootable floppy disk. I
do it all the time. While you cannot boot from the USB EHD, you can clone
the contents of that EXH back to your internal drive should the need arise
in order to restore that drive. Make sure you're using the latest version of
Ghost 2003 -- 2003.793.
I fail to understand your comment (if I understand it correctly) that you
cannot use USB 2.0. You say your USB EXD has USB 2.0 capability. I assume
your BIOS (or add-on PCI card) also supports USB 2.0. If so, you have USB
2.0 capability, no?

(snipped the reference to Drive Image)

Thanks, jimbo

Art

Art wrote:
See my inline comments...

"jimbo" wrote in message
...

I am trying to get a system in place to clone a hard drive on my desktop
computer under WinXP Home. I want to clone the "C" drive so that the clone
will boot when I place it in "C" position on the desktop computer. Nothing
fancy, just a simple clone of my "C" drive that will boot when I swap it
with the current "C" drive.
I have been sucessful in doing this with the DOS version of Norton Ghost
2003. But, using DOS Ghost requires that I shut down, open the case, place
the "clone" in "D" position, put the Ghost floppy in the drive, boot to
Ghost, do the clone, shut down, remove the clone drive and put "D" back in
"D" position, close the case, remove the floppy and boot. It works but it
is a long process. When the clone is placed in "C" position it boots just
fine with a message about new hardware found and asks to reboot. On
reboot, everything is OK.

All that you have described above is perfectly normal. Are you saying that
you have only one internal hard drive, so that you need to install a
destination disk everytime you clone your working hard drive? If so, the
obvious answer is to install two hard drives in your machine, no? Then you
can routinely clone your working drive to the permanently installed
destination drive. Presumably, you're using the destination disk as a backup
to your working drive, so that if that drive fails for any reason and is not
bootable, you would use your backup drive in its place. I wouldn't envision
that this is a routine affair where you're continually having to reconfigure
the destination drive as your booting drive.
As I believe I have told you before, a much better system for your needs
would be to have two removable hard drives installed in your computer. Then
you could easily boot to either drive without the necessity of getting
inside your case and making the necessary jumper/cable connections.
Naturally, your case has to have two available 5 1/4" bays to accommodate
the mobile racks which house the hard drives.


I have an Addonics External USB2.0 case that will take a hard drive, but
Ghost can't make a clone of a boot drive from WinXP and the Addonics will
only support USB1.1 under DOS. So a clone would take maybe 16 hours
under DOS Ghost.

Ghost (I assume you're using the 2003 version) is perfectly capable of
cloning to a USB external hard drive using a Ghost bootable floppy disk. I
do it all the time. While you cannot boot from the USB EHD, you can clone
the contents of that EXH back to your internal drive should the need arise
in order to restore that drive. Make sure you're using the latest version of
Ghost 2003 -- 2003.793.
I fail to understand your comment (if I understand it correctly) that you
cannot use USB 2.0. You say your USB EXD has USB 2.0 capability. I assume
your BIOS (or add-on PCI card) also supports USB 2.0. If so, you have USB
2.0 capability, no?

(snipped the reference to Drive Image)


Thanks, jimbo


Art



Hi Art. Thanks for your reply.

Well, I have two hard drives installed on one IDE controller and two DVD
drives on the second IDE controller. So, I guess I could just clone to
the "D" drive. But, I have this 40 GB hard drive that is a twin to my
existing 40 GB "C" drive. So, I want to clone my "C" drive to this
"spare" 40 GB hard drive then just store it for some emergency. I want
to re-clone it at some reasonable interval to keep it up to date.

I don't understand your comments about removable hard drives. Can you
give me a reference to a web site that explains this?

Last, my Addonics USB2 external case apparently only works under DOS at
USB 1.1, much too slow to clone a 40 GB hard drive. And yes, Ghost 2003
will clone to the Addonics under DOS, but only at USB 1.1. I went
through the procedure and actually started a clone, but aborted because
it would just take too long. If I select the Ghost USB2.0 driver, the
process freezes. If I select the USB1.1 driver, everything goes OK, just
way too slow.

Drive Image seemed like a solution because it will clone a boot drive
under WinXP, so the Addonics runs at USB2.0 and takes only 27 minutes to
complete. But Drive Image also gives options that Ghost doesn't, and I
probably made some setting that resulted in a clone that won't boot.

jimbo

Quote from Jimbo....

OK, Ghost cannot clone a boot drive from within WinXP, or from within any
any other Windows. Ghost must be booted to DOS in order to make a clone of
a boot drive. So, the fact that my Addonics has WinXP USB2.0 drivers is
irrelevant. There must be DOS USB2.0 drivers available and the Addonics
must support USB2.0 under DOS. Ghost supplies both USB1.1 and USB2.0 PC
DOS drivers, but my Addonics doesn't support USB2.0 in DOS so the whole
process freezes unless I tell Ghost to use the USB1.1 drivers. And as I
said, trying to clone a 40 GB hard drive through a USB1.1 interface would
take about 16 hours.

Upgrade to Ghost 9.0 it will do what you want from within the WinXP
environment.

http://www.symantecstore.com/dr/sat2...CACHE_ID=74456

r.


"jimbo" wrote in message
...
Thanks again for your reply. Please see my response in line.

jimbo

So your 40 GB drive is a third drive, right? Then the most practical way
to clone your C: drive to that drive would be to install the 40 GB in a
USB external hard drive enclosure, such as the one you have, and clone
the contents of your C: drive to the EHD. Otherwise, you would have to
temporarily install that 40 GB drive in your machine (temporarily
disconnecting any one of your other three drives), clone the contents of
your C: drive to the 40 GB drive, uninstall and remove that drive and
reconnect whatever drive you previously disconnected.

Yes, that is what I was trying to do. Use the Addonics external USB2 case
with the third hard drive mounted in the case. This would avoid the open
case, cable switching, etc, etc. routine I now have to use.

Last, my Addonics USB2 external case apparently only works under DOS at
USB 1.1, much too slow to clone a 40 GB hard drive. And yes, Ghost 2003
will clone to the Addonics under DOS, but only at USB 1.1. I went through
the procedure and actually started a clone, but aborted because it would
just take too long. If I select the Ghost USB2.0 driver, the process
freezes. If I select the USB1.1 driver, everything goes OK, just way too
slow.

I really still don't understand what you're saying. If you have a USB EHD
that has USB 2.0 capability and your motherboard's BIOS supports USB 2.0
(or, you have installed a PCI USB 2.0 card), then you have USB 2.0
capability. Period. I cannot undertand your statement that your USB 2.0
enclosure "apparently works under DOS at USB 1.1". What does DOS have to
do with this? You make reference to a USB 2.0 driver. My understanding is
that your OS is Windows XP with SP1 or SP2. If so, the OS supports USB
2.0 capability. In effect, the "drivers" are built in to XP. If there is
something unique about your Addonics enclosure in that it needs special
drivers for USB 2.0 support, then you should contact the manufacturer.

OK, Ghost cannot clone a boot drive from within WinXP, or from within any
any other Windows. Ghost must be booted to DOS in order to make a clone of
a boot drive. So, the fact that my Addonics has WinXP USB2.0 drivers is
irrelevant. There must be DOS USB2.0 drivers available and the Addonics
must support USB2.0 under DOS. Ghost supplies both USB1.1 and USB2.0 PC
DOS drivers, but my Addonics doesn't support USB2.0 in DOS so the whole
process freezes unless I tell Ghost to use the USB1.1 drivers. And as I
said, trying to clone a 40 GB hard drive through a USB1.1 interface would
take about 16 hours.
Drive Image seemed like a solution because it will clone a boot
drive
under WinXP, so the Addonics runs at USB2.0 and takes only 27 minutes to
complete. But Drive Image also gives options that Ghost doesn't, and I
probably made some setting that resulted in a clone that won't boot.

I haven't worked with Drive Image in a long time so I cannot comment on
your statement that "Drive Image also gives options that Ghost
doesn't...". I know only that in my experience Ghost 2003 works virtually
flawlessly in performing disk-to-disk cloning. Over the years I've
probably used various versions of Ghost more than 1,000 times to clone
hard drives. And done so with remarkably few problems that I could
attribute to the Ghost program. As I've said many times before, I only
wish that every piece of software that I use (and will use) would be as
simple to use and effective in what it does as the Ghost program.

Well, Ghost seems to work flawlessly for me also, but I was looking for a
way to use my Addonics USB external case to make the process easier. The
Ghost DOS interface has less user choices than the Drive Image 7.0. And I
don't get the chance to make a setup error with Ghost as I did with Drive
Image. I was hoping for some guidance with the choices.

I will take a look at the removable hard drive solution.

Thanks, jimbo

"jimbo" wrote in message
...
Art wrote:
See my inline comments...

"jimbo" wrote in message
...

I am trying to get a system in place to clone a hard drive on my desktop
computer under WinXP Home. I want to clone the "C" drive so that the
clone will boot when I place it in "C" position on the desktop computer.
Nothing fancy, just a simple clone of my "C" drive that will boot when I
swap it with the current "C" drive.
I have been sucessful in doing this with the DOS version of Norton Ghost
2003. But, using DOS Ghost requires that I shut down, open the case,
place the "clone" in "D" position, put the Ghost floppy in the drive,
boot to Ghost, do the clone, shut down, remove the clone drive and put
"D" back in "D" position, close the case, remove the floppy and boot. It
works but it is a long process. When the clone is placed in "C" position
it boots just fine with a message about new hardware found and asks to
reboot. On reboot, everything is OK.

All that you have described above is perfectly normal. Are you saying
that you have only one internal hard drive, so that you need to install a
destination disk everytime you clone your working hard drive? If so, the
obvious answer is to install two hard drives in your machine, no? Then
you can routinely clone your working drive to the permanently installed
destination drive. Presumably, you're using the destination disk as a
backup to your working drive, so that if that drive fails for any reason
and is not bootable, you would use your backup drive in its place. I
wouldn't envision that this is a routine affair where you're continually
having to reconfigure the destination drive as your booting drive.
As I believe I have told you before, a much better system for your needs
would be to have two removable hard drives installed in your computer.
Then you could easily boot to either drive without the necessity of
getting inside your case and making the necessary jumper/cable
connections. Naturally, your case has to have two available 5 1/4" bays
to accommodate the mobile racks which house the hard drives.


I have an Addonics External USB2.0 case that will take a hard drive, but
Ghost can't make a clone of a boot drive from WinXP and the Addonics will
only support USB1.1 under DOS. So a clone would take maybe 16 hours
under DOS Ghost.

Ghost (I assume you're using the 2003 version) is perfectly capable of
cloning to a USB external hard drive using a Ghost bootable floppy disk.
I do it all the time. While you cannot boot from the USB EHD, you can
clone the contents of that EXH back to your internal drive should the
need arise in order to restore that drive. Make sure you're using the
latest version of Ghost 2003 -- 2003.793.
I fail to understand your comment (if I understand it correctly) that you
cannot use USB 2.0. You say your USB EXD has USB 2.0 capability. I assume
your BIOS (or add-on PCI card) also supports USB 2.0. If so, you have USB
2.0 capability, no?

(snipped the reference to Drive Image)


Thanks, jimbo


Art


Once again, see my inline comments...
Hi Art. Thanks for your reply.

Well, I have two hard drives installed on one IDE controller and two DVD
drives on the second IDE controller. So, I guess I could just clone to the
"D" drive. But, I have this 40 GB hard drive that is a twin to my existing
40 GB "C" drive. So, I want to clone my "C" drive to this "spare" 40 GB
hard drive then just store it for some emergency. I want to re-clone it at
some reasonable interval to keep it up to date.
So your 40 GB drive is a third drive, right? Then the most practical way to
clone your C: drive to that drive would be to install the 40 GB in a USB
external hard drive enclosure, such as the one you have, and clone the
contents of your C: drive to the EHD. Otherwise, you would have to
temporarily install that 40 GB drive in your machine (temporarily
disconnecting any one of your other three drives), clone the contents of
your C: drive to the 40 GB drive, uninstall and remove that drive and
reconnect whatever drive you previously disconnected.

I don't understand your comments about removable hard drives. Can you give
me a reference to a web site that explains this?
I'll do better than that. Here's a paper I prepared for a local computer
club on "The Joy of Removable Drives"...

One of the most frequent topics on any newsgroup dealing with operating
systems or when computer users get together, is what's the best strategy for
backing up one's hard drive. Hardly a day goes by where you don't come
across literally dozens, if not scores, of postings on the various
newsgroups relating to this subject. The queries (and responses) invariably
focus on the problems the user has encountered in using this or that
software backup program - either some third-party program or whatever
built-in backup program is included with the user's operating system.

In my opinion, the best backup system for the average home user and even
small business owner in most cases is having his or her desktop computer
equipped with two removable hard drives. There are other advantages in
having two removable hard drives on one's computer but the most significant
one is providing a near fail-safe backup system. The speed, flexibility and
peace of mind you get with this arrangement far outweighs (for most users)
the relatively small additional cost of equipping one's desktop computer
with this hardware configuration. Note that the removable hard drive mobile
racks we are discussing are designed to be installed in desktop computers
and not laptop or notebook computers. The size, weight, and design
considerations of laptops/notebooks do not allow for this hardware
configuration.

Using this setup, backing up your hard drive is simple, straightforward,
fast, and most important of all -- effective. By easily and relatively
quickly making a clone of your hard drive, using a software program like
Symantec's Norton Ghost which is specifically designed for this purpose, you
get, what seems to me, the ultimate backup solution given the present state
of personal desktop computer technology. Unlike backup programs that merely
back up your data files - that is, the files you've created in the various
programs and applications you use - by cloning your hard drive, you're
backing up your operating system, your registry, all your programs and
applications, your configuration settings, your data files - in short,
everything on the hard drive from which you're making a bit for bit copy.
And you're doing this in one fell swoop. So for all practical purposes you
have an exact duplicate of your hard drive. And for added safety you can
remove this newly-cloned hard drive from the premises, not to mention making
another clone, if desired, for near-absolute security. And note another
enormous advantage of removable drives. Because the hard drive resides in a
removable tray that slides in and out of the mobile rack (no more difficult
than opening & closing a small desk drawer!) you can have an infinite number
of hard drives at your instant disposal. A separate hard drive for a
different operating system, another hard drive to store precious photos and
videos, another hard drive that you've cloned to for backup purposes that
you can remove from the premises. The list goes on and on.

While it is true that backup software programs can backup the files you have
created in your various programs, they are unable to backup your operating
system and (for the most part) the programs installed on your computer.
Many, if not most, computer users have invested substantial time and effort
in customizing Windows and configuring their applications to work the way
they want to. Putting all of that back the way it was can be a difficult,
frustrating, and time-consuming effort.

So when the day comes - as it surely will - that your hard drive fails
because of some mechanical or electrical defect, it's a wonderful feeling to
know that you have a perfectly good copy of that failed hard drive that you
simply shove in the computer, boot up, and you're off and running. Or if you
ever get some miserable computer virus that plays havoc with your system, or
for some unknown reason this or that system file is missing or becomes
corrupt resulting in an inoperable computer, isn't it nice to know that you
have at hand a perfectly good virus-free clone of your hard drive? And then
simply clone that "good" previously cloned hard drive to the virus-infected
one so that once again you now have two perfectly good hard drives. And in
the case where the hard drive is kaput because of some mechanical/electronic
failure, you purchase a new hard drive, simply remove the defective drive
from the removable tray, plop in the new one, make two simple connections,
shove it in the computer and then clone your good hard drive to the new one.
There's no need to partition and format the new drive; no need to reinstall
your operating system on the new drive; no need to reinstall your programs
and data files. None of this is necessary. By simply cloning the
previously-cloned hard drive to the new drive you once again have two
functioning hard drives at your disposal. And the added beauty of this
arrangement is that you do all this from the comfort of your computer chair.
There's no need to take apart your computer case in order to get into the
guts of your computer and make complicated cable connections. Everything is
done outside of your computer because each hard drive resides in a tray
(caddy) that you simply slide into the computer's mobile rack.

As previously indicated, these mobile rack devices are two-part affairs -
the rack itself and the inner tray that slides into the rack. In my case I
use the Lian Li RH-42 all-aluminum mobile racks which are generally
available from a number of vendors on the net. I've purchased mine from an
online vendor, Directron.com who, as of 10/04, sells them 2/$66 (plus
shipping). Another reasonable source for these and other mobile racks is
pcgate.com. see
http://www.pcgate.geomerx.com/index....&productID=580
Also, http://xpcgear.com has a nice selection as well as
http://www.pimfg.com.
I'm sure mobile racks from other manufacturers will serve the purpose just
as well as the ones I use. I'm aware of many users who have been using
inexpensive (about $15 each) plastic mobile racks without any problems
whatsoever. Unfortunately, there is no industry standard involving the
design and construction of the racks nor the inner trays that contain the
hard drive. Consequently, there is (usually) no interchangeability of these
trays among the various manufacturers of mobile racks. Indeed, there is
frequently no interchangeability of the inner trays among different models
from the same manufacturer. This lack of interchangeability may not be an
issue if the user will be purchasing a particular model of mobile rack for a
single computer, however, if the user will have access to other computers,
he or she may want to settle on a specific brand and model of mobile rack
that will provide for tray interchangeability amongst different computers.

The installation of the mobile racks is no more difficult than installing
other IDE devices. Your case must have available two 5 ¼" bays to house the
mobile racks.

As I've previously indicated, the cloning process itself is easy and fast.
Using Symantec's Norton Ghost cloning program as an example, with the two
removable hard drives connected to the computer, you simply boot up your
desktop computer with the bootable floppy disk that contains the Ghost
program and after a few key clicks the cloning process begins. One of my
current computers has an Intel Pentium 4 2.0 GHz processor, and I can clone
one hard drive to another at the rate of slightly under 1 GB per minute.
(Using a Cable Select configuration, I normally set up my hard drives as
Primary and Secondary Masters, finding that this arrangement yields the
fastest cloning speeds without any negative speed impact on the other
IDE/ATAPI devices, e.g., DVD-CD/ROM and CD-RW drives, that are connected as
Primary and Secondary Slave devices. An additional advantage is that this
arrangement allows you to boot to either of the two hard drives without the
need to reposition the removable tray that contains a hard drive). Depending
upon the speed of your processor and hard drives you should get cloning
speeds of somewhere between 700 MB to 1.5+ GB per minute. The cloning
process is practically automatic and you need not be in attendance during
the actual cloning operation. Incidentally, the size or make/model of your
hard drives need not be identical; all that matters is that your destination
drive contains sufficient capacity to receive the contents of your source
drive.

I should point out that the hard drives in their mobile racks are not
"hot-swappable", i.e., you must not insert or remove the tray containing the
hard drive from the mobile rack while the computer is powered-up. It is
necessary to shut down the computer before inserting or removing trays. This
is a minor inconvenience, but necessary to prevent the possibility of data
corruption or even physical damage to the hard drive(s). Actually, there is
a keylock mechanism on the mobile rack so that you can safely (presumably)
remove the tray after turning the keylock to the "Off" position. But for
absolute safety's sake we prefer to disengage the tray from the rack (or
reinserting it into the rack) after powering off the computer. A simple
matter of just pulling on the handle of the removable tray. I am aware that
there are software products available that claim to make removable hard
drives "hot-swappable", however, while I have not worked with this type of
software, more than one user has informed me of problems with these
products.

I can virtually guarantee that once you begin working with two removable
hard drives, you'll have but one regret and only one regret. And that is you
didn't have this arrangement on your previous computer or computers. There's
perhaps one negative to this arrangement and that is the additional cost
involved in having the two mobile racks to house the hard drives, the
additional hard drive, and the software cloning program. I would estimate it
adds roughly about (U.S.)$150 (as of October, 2004) to the cost of the
computer depending upon the size of the second hard drive and the specific
make and model of the two mobile racks. As I previously mentioned, your
desktop computer case should have available two 5¼" bays to house the mobile
racks. Mobile racks come in two basic versions, depending upon whether the
hard drive to be housed is an IDE/ATA or SCSI device. In addition, mobile
racks designed to accommodate the recently introduced SATA hard drives are
now coming onto the market.

The software program I use for the cloning process is Symantec's Norton
Ghost 2003. There is a later version of the Ghost software - Ghost 9.0 which
contains the Ghost 2003 version. BTW, the Norton Ghost 2003 program is
included in Symantec's SystemWorks Professional Edition program. I've seen
the older 2003 version of this software advertised for as little as $19
(including shipping) from: http://www.softwarenevada.com. Strangely enough,
it's sometimes cheaper to purchase Symantec's SystemWorks Professional
Edition program and extract the Ghost program from that piece of software
than purchasing a standalone copy of Ghost. Ebay is another source for
purchasing the Ghost program. Another cloning tool is the installation disk
that comes packaged with the retail boxed hard drives from several
manufactures, including Maxtor and Western Digital, among others. While
these programs can clone one hard disk to another hard disk, they are
excruciatingly slow and not suitable for day-in and day-out cloning. They're
really designed for a one-time cloning of the old disk to the newly
purchased one. There are other disk cloning programs available, e.g.,
Acronis, many of which seem to get favorable reviews, however, I've had
little or no experience with these programs so I cannot speak to them.

When you consider the enormous advantages of having two removable hard
drives on your computer, the additional cost in equipping your computer in
this fashion pales into insignificance.


Last, my Addonics USB2 external case apparently only works under DOS at
USB 1.1, much too slow to clone a 40 GB hard drive. And yes, Ghost 2003
will clone to the Addonics under DOS, but only at USB 1.1. I went through
the procedure and actually started a clone, but aborted because it would
just take too long. If I select the Ghost USB2.0 driver, the process
freezes. If I select the USB1.1 driver, everything goes OK, just way too
slow.
I really still don't understand what you're saying. If you have a USB EHD
that has USB 2.0 capability and your motherboard's BIOS supports USB 2.0
(or, you have installed a PCI USB 2.0 card), then you have USB 2.0
capability. Period. I cannot undertand your statement that your USB 2.0
enclosure "apparently works under DOS at USB 1.1". What does DOS have to do
with this? You make reference to a USB 2.0 driver. My understanding is that
your OS is Windows XP with SP1 or SP2. If so, the OS supports USB 2.0
capability. In effect, the "drivers" are built in to XP. If there is
something unique about your Addonics enclosure in that it needs special
drivers for USB 2.0 support, then you should contact the manufacturer.

Drive Image seemed like a solution because it will clone a boot drive
under WinXP, so the Addonics runs at USB2.0 and takes only 27 minutes to
complete. But Drive Image also gives options that Ghost doesn't, and I
probably made some setting that resulted in a clone that won't boot.
I haven't worked with Drive Image in a long time so I cannot comment on your
statement that "Drive Image also gives options that Ghost doesn't...". I
know only that in my experience Ghost 2003 works virtually flawlessly in
performing disk-to-disk cloning. Over the years I've probably used various
versions of Ghost more than 1,000 times to clone hard drives. And done so
with remarkably few problems that I could attribute to the Ghost program. As
I've said many times before, I only wish that every piece of software that I
use (and will use) would be as simple to use and effective in what it does
as the Ghost program.

jimbo

Art

Thanks again for your reply. Please see my response in line.

jimbo

So your 40 GB drive is a third drive, right? Then the most practical way to
clone your C: drive to that drive would be to install the 40 GB in a USB
external hard drive enclosure, such as the one you have, and clone the
contents of your C: drive to the EHD. Otherwise, you would have to
temporarily install that 40 GB drive in your machine (temporarily
disconnecting any one of your other three drives), clone the contents of
your C: drive to the 40 GB drive, uninstall and remove that drive and
reconnect whatever drive you previously disconnected.

Yes, that is what I was trying to do. Use the Addonics external USB2
case with the third hard drive mounted in the case. This would avoid the
open case, cable switching, etc, etc. routine I now have to use.

Last, my Addonics USB2 external case apparently only works under DOS at
USB 1.1, much too slow to clone a 40 GB hard drive. And yes, Ghost 2003
will clone to the Addonics under DOS, but only at USB 1.1. I went through
the procedure and actually started a clone, but aborted because it would
just take too long. If I select the Ghost USB2.0 driver, the process
freezes. If I select the USB1.1 driver, everything goes OK, just way too
slow.

I really still don't understand what you're saying. If you have a USB EHD
that has USB 2.0 capability and your motherboard's BIOS supports USB 2.0
(or, you have installed a PCI USB 2.0 card), then you have USB 2.0
capability. Period. I cannot undertand your statement that your USB 2.0
enclosure "apparently works under DOS at USB 1.1". What does DOS have to do
with this? You make reference to a USB 2.0 driver. My understanding is that
your OS is Windows XP with SP1 or SP2. If so, the OS supports USB 2.0
capability. In effect, the "drivers" are built in to XP. If there is
something unique about your Addonics enclosure in that it needs special
drivers for USB 2.0 support, then you should contact the manufacturer.

OK, Ghost cannot clone a boot drive from within WinXP, or from within
any any other Windows. Ghost must be booted to DOS in order to make a
clone of a boot drive. So, the fact that my Addonics has WinXP USB2.0
drivers is irrelevant. There must be DOS USB2.0 drivers available and
the Addonics must support USB2.0 under DOS. Ghost supplies both USB1.1
and USB2.0 PC DOS drivers, but my Addonics doesn't support USB2.0 in DOS
so the whole process freezes unless I tell Ghost to use the USB1.1
drivers. And as I said, trying to clone a 40 GB hard drive through a
USB1.1 interface would take about 16 hours.
Drive Image seemed like a solution because it will clone a boot
drive
under WinXP, so the Addonics runs at USB2.0 and takes only 27 minutes to
complete. But Drive Image also gives options that Ghost doesn't, and I
probably made some setting that resulted in a clone that won't boot.

I haven't worked with Drive Image in a long time so I cannot comment on your
statement that "Drive Image also gives options that Ghost doesn't...". I
know only that in my experience Ghost 2003 works virtually flawlessly in
performing disk-to-disk cloning. Over the years I've probably used various
versions of Ghost more than 1,000 times to clone hard drives. And done so
with remarkably few problems that I could attribute to the Ghost program. As
I've said many times before, I only wish that every piece of software that I
use (and will use) would be as simple to use and effective in what it does
as the Ghost program.

Well, Ghost seems to work flawlessly for me also, but I was looking for
a way to use my Addonics USB external case to make the process easier.
The Ghost DOS interface has less user choices than the Drive Image 7.0.
And I don't get the chance to make a setup error with Ghost as I did
with Drive Image. I was hoping for some guidance with the choices.

I will take a look at the removable hard drive solution.

Thanks, jimbo

"jimbo" wrote in message
...

jimbo
(I want to) use (my) Addonics external USB2 case with (a) hard drive
mounted in the case (to clone my C: drive).

My Addonics USB2 external case apparently only works under DOS at USB
1.1, much too slow to clone a 40 GB hard drive. And yes, Ghost 2003 will
clone to the Addonics under DOS, but only at USB 1.1. I went through the
procedure and actually started a clone, but aborted because it would just
take too long. If I select the Ghost USB2.0 driver, the process freezes.
If I select the USB1.1 driver, everything goes OK, just way too slow.

Art responds...
I really still don't understand what you're saying. If you have a USB EHD
that has USB 2.0 capability and your motherboard's BIOS supports USB 2.0
(or, you have installed a PCI USB 2.0 card), then you have USB 2.0
capability. Period. I cannot undertand your statement that your USB 2.0
enclosure "apparently works under DOS at USB 1.1". What does DOS have to do
with this? You make reference to a USB 2.0 driver. My understanding is that
your OS is Windows XP with SP1 or SP2. If so, the OS supports USB 2.0
capability. In effect, the "drivers" are built in to XP. If there is
something unique about your Addonics enclosure in that it needs special
drivers for USB 2.0 support, then you should contact the manufacturer.

Jimbo's turn...
OK, Ghost cannot clone a boot drive from within WinXP, or from within any
any other Windows. Ghost must be booted to DOS in order to make a clone of
a boot drive. So, the fact that my Addonics has WinXP USB2.0 drivers is
irrelevant. There must be DOS USB2.0 drivers available and the Addonics
must support USB2.0 under DOS. Ghost supplies both USB1.1 and USB2.0 PC
DOS drivers, but my Addonics doesn't support USB2.0 in DOS so the whole
process freezes unless I tell Ghost to use the USB1.1 drivers. And as I
said, trying to clone a 40 GB hard drive through a USB1.1 interface would
take about 16 hours.
Drive Image seemed like a solution because it will clone a boot
drive
under WinXP, so the Addonics runs at USB2.0 and takes only 27 minutes to
complete. But Drive Image also gives options that Ghost doesn't, and I
probably made some setting that resulted in a clone that won't boot.

Now it's Art's turn...
I haven't worked with Drive Image in a long time so I cannot comment on your
statement that "Drive Image also gives options that Ghost doesn't...". I
know only that in my experience Ghost 2003 works virtually flawlessly in
performing disk-to-disk cloning. Over the years I've probably used various
versions of Ghost more than 1,000 times to clone hard drives. And done so
with remarkably few problems that I could attribute to the Ghost program.
As
I've said many times before, I only wish that every piece of software that I
use (and will use) would be as simple to use and effective in what it does
as the Ghost program.

And Jimbo responds once again...
Well, Ghost seems to work flawlessly for me also, but I was looking for a
way to use my Addonics USB external case to make the process easier. The
Ghost DOS interface has less user choices than the Drive Image 7.0. And I
don't get the chance to make a setup error with Ghost as I did with Drive
Image. I was hoping for some guidance with the choices.

Jimbo...
I'll give this one last shot and hope for the best...
1. There is no problem for Ghost to clone your C: drive to a USB 2.0
external hard drive.
2. Here's how you do it...
a. With your USB EHD connected to your computer, you stick your bootable
Ghost floppy disk in your floppy drive.
b. You bootup.
c. You go through a few informative Ghost screens to select your source
drive (that's your C: drive of course) and your destination drive (that's
the USB EHD of course)
d. You click the clone button.
e. Ghost performs the cloning operation and soon your USB EHD contains the
exact contents of your C: drive.

That's it. It's as simple as I have described. How much easier can this
process be?

Art

"jimbo" wrote in message
...
| Art wrote:
| See my inline comments...
|
| "jimbo" wrote in message
| ...
|
|| As I believe I have told you before, a much better system for your
needs
| would be to have two removable hard drives installed in your computer.
Then
| you could easily boot to either drive without the necessity of getting
| inside your case and making the necessary jumper/cable connections.
| Naturally, your case has to have two available 5 1/4" bays to
accommodate
| the mobile racks which house the hard drives.
|
| | Hi Art. Thanks for your reply.
|
|| I don't understand your comments about removable hard drives. Can you
| give me a reference to a web site that explains this?
|
|| jimbo

See mobil racks........

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...alog=43&DEPA=0

Jimbo...
I'll give this one last shot and hope for the best...
1. There is no problem for Ghost to clone your C: drive to a USB 2.0
external hard drive.
2. Here's how you do it...
a. With your USB EHD connected to your computer, you stick your bootable
Ghost floppy disk in your floppy drive.
b. You bootup.
c. You go through a few informative Ghost screens to select your source
drive (that's your C: drive of course) and your destination drive (that's
the USB EHD of course)
d. You click the clone button.
e. Ghost performs the cloning operation and soon your USB EHD contains the
exact contents of your C: drive.

That's it. It's as simple as I have described. How much easier can this
process be?

Art

Art, I can only assume that you don't read my posts. The procedure that
you just described is exactly the procedure that I have tried. The USB
EHD that I have will not support USB2.0 under DOS. USB1.1 would take
maybe 16 hours to clone a 40 GB hard drive.

jimbo

Upgrade to Ghost 9.0 it will do what you want from within the WinXP
environment.

http://www.symantecstore.com/dr/sat2...CACHE_ID=74456

Well, my understanding is that Ghost 9.0 is just repackaged Drive Image
7.0 which I already have. And which does make a clone using the USB2.0
EHD under WinXP without having to boot into DOS. But the clone won't
boot when I swap it out with the original. I was hoping for some tips on
what setup options I should use.

jimbo

"jimbo" wrote in message
...
|I am trying to get a system in place to clone a hard drive on my desktop
| computer under WinXP Home. I want to clone the "C" drive so that the
| clone will boot when I place it in "C" position on the desktop computer.
| Nothing fancy, just a simple clone of my "C" drive that will boot when I
| swap it with the current "C" drive.
|
| I have been sucessful in doing this with the DOS version of Norton Ghost
| 2003. But, using DOS Ghost requires that I shut down, open the case,
| place the "clone" in "D" position, put the Ghost floppy in the drive,
| boot to Ghost, do the clone, shut down, remove the clone drive and put
| "D" back in "D" position, close the case, remove the floppy and boot. It
| works but it is a long process. When the clone is placed in "C" position
| it boots just fine with a message about new hardware found and asks to
| reboot. On reboot, everything is OK.
|
| I have an Addonics External USB2.0 case that will take a hard drive, but
| Ghost can't make a clone of a boot drive from WinXP and the Addonics
| will only support USB1.1 under DOS. So a clone would take maybe 16 hours
| under DOS Ghost.
|
| I bought PowerQuest Drive Image 7.0 which is supposed to work under
| WinXP without the need to boot to DOS for any clone. The process is very
| simple. Plug the Addonics into a USB port, start Drive image and make a
| clone of "C" to the Addonics hard drive. Only one problem, when I placed
| the clone in "C" position, it won't boot. It goes through POST and the
| WinXP splash display and then freezes at the blue startup display. I
| must be doing something wrong in the setup of Drive Image to create the
| clone, but I don't have a clue.
|
| Can someone please help?
|
| Thanks, jimbo


Hi jimbo -

How about giving another software product a try? Ghost and Drive Image are
not the only imaging products available out there.

Recently I cloned the hard drive on my laptop computer to a larger, faster
drive in a USB 2.0 caddy.. while booted within Windows XP Pro. Swapped the
drives and booted. No problems.

I used Acronis TrueImage 8.0, available at http://www.acronis.com (with a
free 15-day fully functional trial).

I now use the old drive in my USB 2.0 caddy to take an occasional full
backup, followed by incremental backups on a daily basis (which takes under
five minutes per day), also using TrueImage.

Jef