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August 12th 04, 06:50 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
I'm running Windows Messenger Version 4.7 (4.7.2009) under Windows XP Professional. A couple of days ago I was suffering a problem while attempting to request Remote Assistance, something you can do either via Windows Messenger or email. I searched through the appropriate Microsoft newsgroups, and it looked like the solution to my problem was to "upgrade" to Messenger v5. Well it turns out that was MSN Messenger v5, not Windows Messenger v5.
Well, I may or may not have resolved my problem with Remote Assistance (without installing MSN Messenger v5), but now I'm very curious why Microsoft has two different Messengers? -- Regards, Peter Sale Santa Monica, CA USA To email me, just pull 'my-leg.' 
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August 12th 04, 06:56 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Greetings Peter,
Well, they both perform different functions. Most notably, MSN Messenger 6 has support for display pictures, custom emoticons, has a different interface, etc. whereas Windows Messenger supports SIP-based communications services, Exchange IM Server, etc. Which one you use is up to you if you're simply using the most basic functionality, connecting to the public .NET Messegner service) and a matter of personal choice. However one thing to keep in mind, Windows Messenger must still be installed on Windows XP in order for MSN Messenger to retain full functionality (Remote Assistance, Whiteboard, Application Sharing, etc.). MSN Messenger is centered around MSN technologies (Hotmail, MSN Member Profiles, MSN Mobile, etc.) whereas Windows Messenger is centered around Windows technologies (Exchange Server, Office Live Communications Server, Windows Netmeeting, etc.). ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay. You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. "Peter Sale" wrote in message ... I'm running Windows Messenger Version 4.7 (4.7.2009) under Windows XP Professional. A couple of days ago I was suffering a problem while attempting to request Remote Assistance, something you can do either via Windows Messenger or email. I searched through the appropriate Microsoft newsgroups, and it looked like the solution to my problem was to "upgrade" to Messenger v5. Well it turns out that was MSN Messenger v5, not Windows Messenger v5. Well, I may or may not have resolved my problem with Remote Assistance (without installing MSN Messenger v5), but now I'm very curious why Microsoft has two different Messengers? -- Regards, Peter Sale Santa Monica, CA USA To email me, just pull 'my-leg.'
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August 12th 04, 07:02 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Windows Messenger is just for XP. If you want to talk to some one using
Windows 98 you need MSN messenger. "Peter Sale" wrote in message ... I'm running Windows Messenger Version 4.7 (4.7.2009) under Windows XP Professional. A couple of days ago I was suffering a problem while attempting to request Remote Assistance, something you can do either via Windows Messenger or email. I searched through the appropriate Microsoft newsgroups, and it looked like the solution to my problem was to "upgrade" to Messenger v5. Well it turns out that was MSN Messenger v5, not Windows Messenger v5. Well, I may or may not have resolved my problem with Remote Assistance (without installing MSN Messenger v5), but now I'm very curious why Microsoft has two different Messengers? -- Regards, Peter Sale Santa Monica, CA USA To email me, just pull 'my-leg.'
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August 12th 04, 07:12 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for the quick reply. So, which Messenger, MSN version 6 (or v5) or Windows Messenger version 4.7, will give me the most reliable connections for Remote Assistance sessions, especially if my PC is behind a NAT Wireless Broadband Router? And yes, I know that I need to forward port 3389 on my router. -- Regards, Peter Sale Santa Monica, CA USA To email me, just pull 'my-leg.' -- "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote ... Greetings Peter, Well, they both perform different functions. Most notably, MSN Messenger 6 has support for display pictures, custom emoticons, has a different interface, etc. whereas Windows Messenger supports SIP-based communications services, Exchange IM Server, etc. Which one you use is up to you if you're simply using the most basic functionality, connecting to the public .NET Messegner service) and a matter of personal choice. However one thing to keep in mind, Windows Messenger must still be installed on Windows XP in order for MSN Messenger to retain full functionality (Remote Assistance, Whiteboard, Application Sharing, etc.). MSN Messenger is centered around MSN technologies (Hotmail, MSN Member Profiles, MSN Mobile, etc.) whereas Windows Messenger is centered around Windows technologies (Exchange Server, Office Live Communications Server, Windows Netmeeting, etc.). ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay. You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
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August 12th 04, 07:42 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
There is a windows messenger version 5 as well as 4.7 and also msn messenger version 6. MSN is "prettier" and fancier, more used by people who IM alot(kids for instance). Windows messenger 5 lets you connect to exchange servers or sip users. Windows messenger 4.7 does not. Windows messenger only works on xp, msn messenger works on other windows os's.
Peter Sale wrote: I'm running Windows Messenger Version 4.7 (4.7.2009) under Windows XP Professional. A couple of days ago I was suffering a problem while attempting to request Remote Assistance, something you can do either via Windows Messenger or email. I searched through the appropriate Microsoft newsgroups, and it looked like the solution to my problem was to "upgrade" to Messenger v5. Well it turns out that was MSN Messenger v5, not Windows Messenger v5. Well, I may or may not have resolved my problem with Remote Assistance (without installing MSN Messenger v5), but now I'm very curious why Microsoft has two different Messengers?
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August 12th 04, 09:29 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Hi Peter,
As long as the router supports Universal Plug and Play (UPnP), you shouldn't have to forward anything. But regardless, the functionality for this feature is basically the same regardless of what client you're using with the exception that Windows Messenger must be at least installed for the feature in MSN Messenger to work. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay. You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. "Peter Sale" wrote in message ... Hi Jonathan, Thanks for the quick reply. So, which Messenger, MSN version 6 (or v5) or Windows Messenger version 4.7, will give me the most reliable connections for Remote Assistance sessions, especially if my PC is behind a NAT Wireless Broadband Router? And yes, I know that I need to forward port 3389 on my router. -- Regards, Peter Sale Santa Monica, CA USA To email me, just pull 'my-leg.' -- "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote ... Greetings Peter, Well, they both perform different functions. Most notably, MSN Messenger 6 has support for display pictures, custom emoticons, has a different interface, etc. whereas Windows Messenger supports SIP-based communications services, Exchange IM Server, etc. Which one you use is up to you if you're simply using the most basic functionality, connecting to the public .NET Messegner service) and a matter of personal choice. However one thing to keep in mind, Windows Messenger must still be installed on Windows XP in order for MSN Messenger to retain full functionality (Remote Assistance, Whiteboard, Application Sharing, etc.). MSN Messenger is centered around MSN technologies (Hotmail, MSN Member Profiles, MSN Mobile, etc.) whereas Windows Messenger is centered around Windows technologies (Exchange Server, Office Live Communications Server, Windows Netmeeting, etc.). ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay. You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
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August 12th 04, 11:48 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
"Peter Sale" wrote in message
... I'm running Windows Messenger Version 4.7 (4.7.2009) under Windows XP Professional. A couple of days ago I was suffering a problem while attempting to request Remote Assistance, something you can do either via Windows Messenger or email. I searched through the appropriate Microsoft newsgroups, and it looked like the solution to my problem was to "upgrade" to Messenger v5. Well it turns out that was MSN Messenger v5, not Windows Messenger v5. Well, I may or may not have resolved my problem with Remote Assistance (without installing MSN Messenger v5), but now I'm very curious why Microsoft has two different Messengers? "Lindsay" wrote in message ... Windows Messenger is just for XP. If you want to talk to some one using Windows 98 you need MSN messenger. That's not true. AFAIK WM 5 can be installed on Windows 2000. And either way you can talk to people on Windows 98 using WM - MSN Messenger and Windows Messenger both connect to the same network. Andrew
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August 14th 04, 08:16 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Jonathan Kay [MVP] wrote:
[cut] And why microsoft do not collapse all the features in a single application? It is very irritating to have TWO messenger in the tray icon. (ok, ok... you can disable windows messenger, but...) -- Licantrop0 / HX since 2001 Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it Errare č umano, ma ci salverą una patch.
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August 14th 04, 08:16 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Jonathan Kay [MVP] wrote:
[cut] And why microsoft do not collapse all the features in a single application? It is very irritating to have TWO messenger in the tray icon. (ok, ok... you can disable windows messenger, but...) -- Licantrop0 / HX since 2001 Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it Errare č umano, ma ci salverą una patch.
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August 14th 04, 09:47 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Hi,
Quite simply because different product teams own the separate products and there is no specific "Messenger" group which produces all the Messenger versions. In fact, there's more than just MSN Messenger and Windows Messenger.. you have MSN Messenger team within MSN (for the public .NET Messenger network), then the Windows Messenger team primarily for the Office Live Communications Server, then the Mac group doing their own Messenger client, the Mobile group doing a client for the PocketPC, and the list goes on.. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay. You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. "Licantrop0" wrote in message .. . Jonathan Kay [MVP] wrote: [cut] And why microsoft do not collapse all the features in a single application? It is very irritating to have TWO messenger in the tray icon. (ok, ok... you can disable windows messenger, but...) -- Licantrop0 / HX since 2001 Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it Errare č umano, ma ci salverą una patch.
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August 14th 04, 09:47 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Hi,
Quite simply because different product teams own the separate products and there is no specific "Messenger" group which produces all the Messenger versions. In fact, there's more than just MSN Messenger and Windows Messenger.. you have MSN Messenger team within MSN (for the public .NET Messenger network), then the Windows Messenger team primarily for the Office Live Communications Server, then the Mac group doing their own Messenger client, the Mobile group doing a client for the PocketPC, and the list goes on.. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay. You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. "Licantrop0" wrote in message .. . Jonathan Kay [MVP] wrote: [cut] And why microsoft do not collapse all the features in a single application? It is very irritating to have TWO messenger in the tray icon. (ok, ok... you can disable windows messenger, but...) -- Licantrop0 / HX since 2001 Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it Errare č umano, ma ci salverą una patch.
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August 14th 04, 10:05 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Jonathan Kay [MVP] wrote:
Quite simply because different product teams own the separate products and there is no specific "Messenger" group which produces all the Messenger versions. Ok, i understand. So: why the MSN Messenger Team do not disable (or hide) automatically Windows Messenger? -- Licantrop0 / HX since 2001 Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it Errare č umano, ma ci salverą una patch.
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August 14th 04, 10:05 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Jonathan Kay [MVP] wrote:
Quite simply because different product teams own the separate products and there is no specific "Messenger" group which produces all the Messenger versions. Ok, i understand. So: why the MSN Messenger Team do not disable (or hide) automatically Windows Messenger? -- Licantrop0 / HX since 2001 Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it Errare č umano, ma ci salverą una patch.
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August 14th 04, 11:55 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Hi,
Well Windows Messenger's ability to function is required for the Whiteboard, Application Sharing and Remote Assistance capability in MSN Messenger (simply because of how the individual components were written), so disabling it is somewhat out of the question. Some people also like to use both... ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay. You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. "Licantrop0" wrote in message . .. Jonathan Kay [MVP] wrote: Quite simply because different product teams own the separate products and there is no specific "Messenger" group which produces all the Messenger versions. Ok, i understand. So: why the MSN Messenger Team do not disable (or hide) automatically Windows Messenger? -- Licantrop0 / HX since 2001 Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it Errare č umano, ma ci salverą una patch.
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August 14th 04, 11:55 PM
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Why two different messengers, MSN and Windows Messenger?
Hi,
Well Windows Messenger's ability to function is required for the Whiteboard, Application Sharing and Remote Assistance capability in MSN Messenger (simply because of how the individual components were written), so disabling it is somewhat out of the question. Some people also like to use both... ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay. You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. "Licantrop0" wrote in message . .. Jonathan Kay [MVP] wrote: Quite simply because different product teams own the separate products and there is no specific "Messenger" group which produces all the Messenger versions. Ok, i understand. So: why the MSN Messenger Team do not disable (or hide) automatically Windows Messenger? -- Licantrop0 / HX since 2001 Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it Errare č umano, ma ci salverą una patch.
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