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writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] Do later Macrium CDs have universal USB3 drivers like Windows 10 does? (Or does that to some extent depend on the version of Windows that's on the machine where you make the Macrium CD?) [] Well, actually, the Macrium approach is interesting. They've made a change to how the emergency CDs are made. (When - about when Windows 10 came out?) [] However, a fifth option is for the preparation scheme to extract a WinPE off the drive with C: on it. They have a search algorithm for locating a .wim they can make a CD from. When I tested it, *it grabbed the wrong file* and the results were hilarious. It mixed 64 bit materials with 32 bit materials, and when the CD was booted, the software would not run (because there would be subsystems missing). In effect, it was running 64-bit macrium.exe on a 32-bit WinPE OS. So far, I've had no problems using the Macrium 5 mini-CDs (a 32 and a 64 bit version) I made on my XP system - using them on XP (32-bit hardware), Win7-64, 7-32, and 10, with USB2 peripherals, including (for one of the 7-64 systems) a FAT peripheral (so it made a multifile image; worked transparently). I've recently spotted that the external dock I use for myself has an e-SATA port, and since the 7-32 laptop I'm now on does also, I'll investigate that next time I image (still using the M5 CD). [] The best approach, is to make sure you've selected the WinPE version (Win8 or Win10) that have the built-in USB3 driver, as that's a better choice when you want the performance benefits of full USB3 operation. Stick with the old method, select WinPE10 (as long as your operating system will allow the WADK kit to run from that version selection). So the selection of WinPE version (is that the same as WADK?) is independent of the version of Windows you're running under when you make the CD? And (whatever the answer to that question) you need to (be under or select) an 8 or later to have a USB3 driver on the CD? It's getting to the point, it's hard for me to write a tutorial with all these details covered off properly :-/ Paul I can see that. We're all very grateful for the ones you have made! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Listen, three-eyes, don't you try to out-wierd me, I get stranger things than you free with my breakfast cereal. (Zaphod Beeblebrox in the link episode) |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
So the selection of WinPE version (is that the same as WADK?) is independent of the version of Windows you're running under when you make the CD? And (whatever the answer to that question) you need to (be under or select) an 8 or later to have a USB3 driver on the CD? It's getting to the point, it's hard for me to write a tutorial with all these details covered off properly :-/ Paul I can see that. We're all very grateful for the ones you have made! The software has been variously referred to as WAIK and WADK. The kits don't all run on WinXP. Consequently, you cannot "make all possible versions of CD" on WinXP. The more modern your OS, the more options are open to you. Windows 8 and Windows 10 have Microsoft drivers for USB3. So no separate "driver inclusion" step would be required using the WinPE versions corresponding to those. I believe at one time, the Macrium CD builder allowed the user to offer INF drivers, to be added to the disc. So you could improve hardware coverage (back in the era that the driver coverage wasn't quite as good). I've not had a driver problem with any Macrium 6 or Macrium 7 CDs, in terms of doing anything I needed to do. I managed to get file sharing backups to work (most of the time). I may have run into one case where seemingly there was no NIC driver. But when I returned to WinXP and make the older WAIK version, that failed. Macrium keeps a list of links on their server, and of the ten or so files the build process fetches, a couple were missing (file removed from Microsoft server), and this "broke" the ability to make a CD. Consequently, I can't make a CD in WinXP any more, but this does not prevent other CDs I've made from working. There is the usual "version consequences", where if you make a backup with a Macrium 7 CD, you might expect issues trying to read the .mrimg with a booted OS machine running Macrium 5. And the pressure being applied by Microsoft messing up NTFS, means more of the time, I'm forced to use newer versions to get anything done (avoid error 9 $BITMAP problem). I think I've even seen file systems with a "$BITMAP problem" that are at rest. The problem was initially described as a Win10 problem, where the $BITMAP on disk was not maintained up to date, and any software reading the disk directly, would get wrong info (which can be detected). The idea would be then, that at shutdown, the partition affected should have correct info written out just before disk closure. But in one case, I booted a Macrium CD (not patched for error 9), and it *still* threw an error 9, even though the regular Windows OS was not running. It could be that the CD in that case, was using a WinPE it got right off the OS disk itself during preparation. That's what I mean about keeping up with this stuff, is keeping all the exception cases in mind when trying to do the simplest things. And Microsoft is to blame for this. Their "nonstandard" "standard" abused NTFS 3.1 spec. The spec that "hasn't been changed", but "keeps breaking stuff". Windows 10 users... beware. Paul |
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writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: So the selection of WinPE version (is that the same as WADK?) is independent of the version of Windows you're running under when you make the CD? And (whatever the answer to that question) you need to (be under or select) an 8 or later to have a USB3 driver on the CD? It's getting to the point, it's hard for me to write a tutorial with all these details covered off properly :-/ Paul I can see that. We're all very grateful for the ones you have made! The software has been variously referred to as WAIK and WADK. The kits don't all run on WinXP. Consequently, you cannot "make all possible versions of CD" on WinXP. OK. Unlikely to be a problem for me - my XP system died. (I do have an old XP desktop, but haven't turned it on for months.) If I were to make any new Macrium CDs, I'd probably do them on this 7-32 system; I'd have to install a Macrium software on it, so I'd probably use Macrium 6 (IIRR there was some benefit to 6 over 5 [maybe the USB3 thing?], but some _dis_advantage to 7). The more modern your OS, the more options are open to you. Windows 8 and Windows 10 have Microsoft drivers for USB3. So no separate "driver inclusion" step would be required using the WinPE versions corresponding to those. Could a USB3-intrinsic CD be made under Windows 7 (by downloading a file or something during [or just before] the CD preparation process, by selecting a suitable option)? I believe at one time, the Macrium CD builder allowed the user to offer INF drivers, to be added to the disc. So you could improve hardware coverage (back in the era that the driver coverage wasn't quite as good). I have vague memories of being asked something of that nature when making my Macrium 5 CDs. I know when I boot from them, it asks at some point if I want to load drivers for two things - I think NIC drivers and something else - and I've usually said no, and it has worked fine. I think I've said yes at least once, and it seemed to proceed happily enough, so I assume those drivers were indeed on the CD. (Whether they were specific to the hardware on the machine I originally made the CDs on, I don't know; I've never tried to use any network hardware during an imaging or a restore.) I've not had a driver problem with any Macrium 6 or Macrium 7 CDs, in terms of doing anything I needed to do. I managed to get file sharing backups to work (most of the time). I may have run into one case where seemingly there was no NIC driver. But when I returned to WinXP and make the older WAIK version, that failed. Macrium keeps a list of links on their server, and of the ten or so files the build process fetches, a couple were missing (file removed from Microsoft server), and this "broke" the ability to make a CD. Consequently, I can't make a CD in WinXP any more, but this does not prevent other CDs I've made from working. Sounds like I maybe ought to consider copying my M5 CDs as I can't make any more then (-:! [Or maybe I could under W7.] Though as I have two of them anyway (32 and 64 bit), and any _hardware_ I'm likely to encounter these days is likely to be 64 bit, I won't worry too much. There is the usual "version consequences", where if you make a backup with a Macrium 7 CD, you might expect issues trying to read the .mrimg with a booted OS machine running Macrium 5. Of course. So far, I've had no problem with the 5s, even imaging/restoring a W10 system. (Granted, only one such.) And the pressure being applied by Microsoft messing up NTFS, means more of the time, I'm forced to use newer versions to get anything done (avoid error 9 $BITMAP problem). Is that with W10 continuous upgrade? The image/restore I did of the W10 system _was_ a year or two ago. [bit about "error 9"] That's what I mean about keeping up with this stuff, is keeping all the exception cases in mind when trying to do the simplest things. And Microsoft is to blame for this. Their "nonstandard" "standard" abused NTFS 3.1 spec. The spec that "hasn't been changed", but "keeps breaking stuff". Windows 10 users... beware. Paul Hmm. More and more reason _for me_ to steer clear of W10. Others MMV. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf One of my tricks as an armchair futurist is to "predict" things that are already happening and watch people tell me it will never happen. Scott Adams, 2015-3-9 |
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So were Ok and the problems resolved? Then we can move on to getting the Windows10 key as soon as the D VD-R's arrive. On that topic,. should we consider also adding Linux, Ubuntu/Unix or another OS? One that you consider better or more secure than Win 10? Now that we have everything 'clean' and working again should I make a Mrimg and do a System Restore point? I would say yes. (See Paul below.) [] A good time to backup, is any time a meritorious result has been achieved. And before doing something you think has a good chance of screwing the system. Now that the XPS8500 USB3 port is all fixed up, you'll be able to see if the backup goes faster or not. Presumably that's (a) assuming he's using a USB-based external drive to store images on and (b) that he's making the .mrimg from within a running Windows. Do later Macrium CDs have universal USB3 drivers like Windows 10 does? (Or does that to some extent depend on the version of Windows that's on the machine where you make the Macrium CD?) [] Well, actually, the Macrium approach is interesting. They've made a change to how the emergency CDs are made. The CD preparation used to use a WADK kit, downloaded from Microsoft. There were four different versions. The versions correspond to OS versions, as Microsoft has different (better) built-in drivers in the newer versions. (The reason four versions exist, is WinXP users of Macrium, can only use the oldest version of kit as the others would not work for them. That's why there are four versions. Microsoft has ruined the download set for the WinXP users, such that a WinXP user *today* cannot make emergency boot media via Macrium.) You can still use those four versions. Those options still exist. (Even if one option now is damaged by Microsoft. Only some of the necessary files went missing!) However, a fifth option is for the preparation scheme to extract a WinPE off the drive with C: on it. They have a search algorithm for locating a .wim they can make a CD from. When I tested it, *it grabbed the wrong file* and the results were hilarious. It mixed 64 bit materials with 32 bit materials, and when the CD was booted, the software would not run (because there would be subsystems missing). In effect, it was running 64-bit macrium.exe on a 32-bit WinPE OS. When preparing your emergency CD under those particular conditions, you want *only* the Win10 drive to be connected while the emergency disc is being made. Alternately, there is a preferences screen, where you can review the potential sources of a .wim and disable certain disks as sources. But, you only figure that part out, after it's too late, and you've ruined a CD making a bad one. The best approach, is to make sure you've selected the WinPE version (Win8 or Win10) that have the built-in USB3 driver, as that's a better choice when you want the performance benefits of full USB3 operation. Stick with the old method, select WinPE10 (as long as your operating system will allow the WADK kit to run from that version selection). It's getting to the point, it's hard for me to write a tutorial with all these details covered off properly :-/ Paul When we start doing the procedure I will be sure to disconnect the HD so that only the Win 10 drive is connected. 64bit on 32bit OS sounds weird..... no wonder it didn't work. Robert |
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On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: There are sticker's on both the 8500 and 780 although I don't know if they are COA's We'll tackle getting the key when the DVD-R's arrive. So that's not a certificate then what is it? I assume I'm still OK? Is there a way of checking if my certificate is OK? This popped up yesterday after I loaded the drivers and I ran it as part of the procedure but it came back today: http://i63.tinypic.com/2d19wg1.jpg Robert Usually the browser will warn if there's a problem with the trust tree of the certificate scheme. If a certificate has expired, the browser will usually warn you, and ask you what you want to do. If you see the green lock symbol, that probably means as far as the browser can see, the certificate is OK. Now, if Avast was enabled, it could be fooling the browser logic. And that's why your check, and seeing the "correct agent" is reported under the lock symbol, indicates there is no systematic problem caused by the Avast interference. Any further problems, the browser should tell you. ******* Your picture (2d19wg1.jpg), is interesting. The USB3 driver consists of two parts. There is the driver portion, which makes the port work. Drivers run in Ring0 and normally don't have permission problems. But, the USB3MON executable, is used to make a tray notification dialog in the lower right corner. It has to be elevated, as it's dealing with hardware and drivers. What the USB3MON prints on the screen is "This device could go faster, if you plugged it into a USB3 port". That's the kind of message it delivers. In other words, having the monitor run, isn't really necessary. If you plug a blue-cable device into a blue port, then everything should work and the USB3MON would be unnecessary. It's for naive people who don't know what USB3 is, and that their computer has two port types, and the peripherals come in USB2 and USB3 types. The message the USB3MON gives, is to help people plug the blue-cable devices into the blue port. Now, you probably installed that driver using your administrator-group account. If there was a tick box to "install for all users", perhaps the elevation would be handled correctly. The reason that message is showing now, is you're using your Limited User account (using it for safety reasons), and the USB3MON is not getting elevated as normal. To stop that, you can use any "startup item adjusting tool", such as Autoruns. Perhaps msconfig could also do it (but you have to be careful to not enable any other functions in msconfig). https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns It's a graphical program. You let it display everything (the default). Try and locate the USB3MON item, if it is labeled properly, and untick it. That may be enough, when Autoruns is run under your Limited User account, to stop it. After Autoruns has unticked the box, you should never see that prompt to elevate again. *But*, if you re-install the Intel USB3 driver, the same situation could arise again, and you would need to use Autoruns again to remove it. The Autoruns settings do not "persist against all odds". Any code with the capability to "put stuff back", will undo what Autoruns has done. I don't run Limited User here, so my experience with it is "limited" :-) Just a guess, Paul I saved Autoruns but don't know which file to select to run it. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: There are sticker's on both the 8500 and 780 although I don't know if they are COA's We'll tackle getting the key when the DVD-R's arrive. So that's not a certificate then what is it? I assume I'm still OK? Is there a way of checking if my certificate is OK? This popped up yesterday after I loaded the drivers and I ran it as part of the procedure but it came back today: http://i63.tinypic.com/2d19wg1.jpg Robert Usually the browser will warn if there's a problem with the trust tree of the certificate scheme. If a certificate has expired, the browser will usually warn you, and ask you what you want to do. If you see the green lock symbol, that probably means as far as the browser can see, the certificate is OK. Now, if Avast was enabled, it could be fooling the browser logic. And that's why your check, and seeing the "correct agent" is reported under the lock symbol, indicates there is no systematic problem caused by the Avast interference. Any further problems, the browser should tell you. ******* Your picture (2d19wg1.jpg), is interesting. The USB3 driver consists of two parts. There is the driver portion, which makes the port work. Drivers run in Ring0 and normally don't have permission problems. But, the USB3MON executable, is used to make a tray notification dialog in the lower right corner. It has to be elevated, as it's dealing with hardware and drivers. What the USB3MON prints on the screen is "This device could go faster, if you plugged it into a USB3 port". That's the kind of message it delivers. In other words, having the monitor run, isn't really necessary. If you plug a blue-cable device into a blue port, then everything should work and the USB3MON would be unnecessary. It's for naive people who don't know what USB3 is, and that their computer has two port types, and the peripherals come in USB2 and USB3 types. The message the USB3MON gives, is to help people plug the blue-cable devices into the blue port. Now, you probably installed that driver using your administrator-group account. If there was a tick box to "install for all users", perhaps the elevation would be handled correctly. The reason that message is showing now, is you're using your Limited User account (using it for safety reasons), and the USB3MON is not getting elevated as normal. To stop that, you can use any "startup item adjusting tool", such as Autoruns. Perhaps msconfig could also do it (but you have to be careful to not enable any other functions in msconfig). https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns It's a graphical program. You let it display everything (the default). Try and locate the USB3MON item, if it is labeled properly, and untick it. That may be enough, when Autoruns is run under your Limited User account, to stop it. After Autoruns has unticked the box, you should never see that prompt to elevate again. *But*, if you re-install the Intel USB3 driver, the same situation could arise again, and you would need to use Autoruns again to remove it. The Autoruns settings do not "persist against all odds". Any code with the capability to "put stuff back", will undo what Autoruns has done. I don't run Limited User here, so my experience with it is "limited" :-) Just a guess, Paul I saved Autoruns but don't know which file to select to run it. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg Robert The .chm file is a "Help file". You can click that and seek help. There may be an Index of help topics. The Autoruns64.exe looks like a good first try. I just used the 32 bit version "Autoruns.exe" to make this picture. My brand of USB3 is different than yours, but you can see the "theme" of the entry is the same. Similar naming and so on. https://i.postimg.cc/RZzyhsft/autoruns.gif Paul |
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On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 7:34:03 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: There are sticker's on both the 8500 and 780 although I don't know if they are COA's We'll tackle getting the key when the DVD-R's arrive. So that's not a certificate then what is it? I assume I'm still OK? Is there a way of checking if my certificate is OK? This popped up yesterday after I loaded the drivers and I ran it as part of the procedure but it came back today: http://i63.tinypic.com/2d19wg1.jpg Robert Usually the browser will warn if there's a problem with the trust tree of the certificate scheme. If a certificate has expired, the browser will usually warn you, and ask you what you want to do. If you see the green lock symbol, that probably means as far as the browser can see, the certificate is OK. Now, if Avast was enabled, it could be fooling the browser logic. And that's why your check, and seeing the "correct agent" is reported under the lock symbol, indicates there is no systematic problem caused by the Avast interference. Any further problems, the browser should tell you. ******* Your picture (2d19wg1.jpg), is interesting. The USB3 driver consists of two parts. There is the driver portion, which makes the port work. Drivers run in Ring0 and normally don't have permission problems. But, the USB3MON executable, is used to make a tray notification dialog in the lower right corner. It has to be elevated, as it's dealing with hardware and drivers. What the USB3MON prints on the screen is "This device could go faster, if you plugged it into a USB3 port". That's the kind of message it delivers. In other words, having the monitor run, isn't really necessary. If you plug a blue-cable device into a blue port, then everything should work and the USB3MON would be unnecessary. It's for naive people who don't know what USB3 is, and that their computer has two port types, and the peripherals come in USB2 and USB3 types. The message the USB3MON gives, is to help people plug the blue-cable devices into the blue port. Now, you probably installed that driver using your administrator-group account. If there was a tick box to "install for all users", perhaps the elevation would be handled correctly. The reason that message is showing now, is you're using your Limited User account (using it for safety reasons), and the USB3MON is not getting elevated as normal. To stop that, you can use any "startup item adjusting tool", such as Autoruns. Perhaps msconfig could also do it (but you have to be careful to not enable any other functions in msconfig). https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns It's a graphical program. You let it display everything (the default). Try and locate the USB3MON item, if it is labeled properly, and untick it. That may be enough, when Autoruns is run under your Limited User account, to stop it. After Autoruns has unticked the box, you should never see that prompt to elevate again. *But*, if you re-install the Intel USB3 driver, the same situation could arise again, and you would need to use Autoruns again to remove it. The Autoruns settings do not "persist against all odds". Any code with the capability to "put stuff back", will undo what Autoruns has done. I don't run Limited User here, so my experience with it is "limited" :-) Just a guess, Paul I saved Autoruns but don't know which file to select to run it. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg Robert The .chm file is a "Help file". You can click that and seek help. There may be an Index of help topics. The Autoruns64.exe looks like a good first try. I just used the 32 bit version "Autoruns.exe" to make this picture. My brand of USB3 is different than yours, but you can see the "theme" of the entry is the same. Similar naming and so on. https://i.postimg.cc/RZzyhsft/autoruns.gif Paul I tried running Autoruns64.exe then went to .chm to look for any help topics. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg http://i67.tinypic.com/2l8yvjt.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/1571wdc.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/kd4ygi.jpg Why does my page look so different than yours? Thanks, Robert |
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On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 7:34:03 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: There are sticker's on both the 8500 and 780 although I don't know if they are COA's We'll tackle getting the key when the DVD-R's arrive. So that's not a certificate then what is it? I assume I'm still OK? Is there a way of checking if my certificate is OK? This popped up yesterday after I loaded the drivers and I ran it as part of the procedure but it came back today: http://i63.tinypic.com/2d19wg1.jpg Robert Usually the browser will warn if there's a problem with the trust tree of the certificate scheme. If a certificate has expired, the browser will usually warn you, and ask you what you want to do. If you see the green lock symbol, that probably means as far as the browser can see, the certificate is OK. Now, if Avast was enabled, it could be fooling the browser logic. And that's why your check, and seeing the "correct agent" is reported under the lock symbol, indicates there is no systematic problem caused by the Avast interference. Any further problems, the browser should tell you. ******* Your picture (2d19wg1.jpg), is interesting. The USB3 driver consists of two parts. There is the driver portion, which makes the port work. Drivers run in Ring0 and normally don't have permission problems. But, the USB3MON executable, is used to make a tray notification dialog in the lower right corner. It has to be elevated, as it's dealing with hardware and drivers. What the USB3MON prints on the screen is "This device could go faster, if you plugged it into a USB3 port". That's the kind of message it delivers. In other words, having the monitor run, isn't really necessary. If you plug a blue-cable device into a blue port, then everything should work and the USB3MON would be unnecessary. It's for naive people who don't know what USB3 is, and that their computer has two port types, and the peripherals come in USB2 and USB3 types. The message the USB3MON gives, is to help people plug the blue-cable devices into the blue port. Now, you probably installed that driver using your administrator-group account. If there was a tick box to "install for all users", perhaps the elevation would be handled correctly. The reason that message is showing now, is you're using your Limited User account (using it for safety reasons), and the USB3MON is not getting elevated as normal. To stop that, you can use any "startup item adjusting tool", such as Autoruns. Perhaps msconfig could also do it (but you have to be careful to not enable any other functions in msconfig). https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns It's a graphical program. You let it display everything (the default). Try and locate the USB3MON item, if it is labeled properly, and untick it. That may be enough, when Autoruns is run under your Limited User account, to stop it. After Autoruns has unticked the box, you should never see that prompt to elevate again. *But*, if you re-install the Intel USB3 driver, the same situation could arise again, and you would need to use Autoruns again to remove it. The Autoruns settings do not "persist against all odds". Any code with the capability to "put stuff back", will undo what Autoruns has done. I don't run Limited User here, so my experience with it is "limited" :-) Just a guess, Paul I saved Autoruns but don't know which file to select to run it. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg Robert The .chm file is a "Help file". You can click that and seek help. There may be an Index of help topics. The Autoruns64.exe looks like a good first try. I just used the 32 bit version "Autoruns.exe" to make this picture. My brand of USB3 is different than yours, but you can see the "theme" of the entry is the same. Similar naming and so on. https://i.postimg.cc/RZzyhsft/autoruns.gif Paul I tried running Autoruns64.exe then went to .chm to look for any help topics. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg filelist http://i67.tinypic.com/2l8yvjt.jpg autoruns help file http://i63.tinypic.com/1571wdc.jpg ... says archive root directory http://i68.tinypic.com/kd4ygi.jpg Why does my page look so different than yours? Thanks, Robert When you download a ZIP file, you have to unpack it. If you right-click while you are "inside" the ZIP. the menu has an "Extract" option. 7ZIP can do a similar thing. Right-click a ZIP file while you have 7ZIP installed, and there are Open Archive and Extract type options as well. Once the ZIP is unpacked into a like-named folder, then things should behave a bit better. Paul |
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On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 12:42:53 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 7:34:03 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: There are sticker's on both the 8500 and 780 although I don't know if they are COA's We'll tackle getting the key when the DVD-R's arrive. So that's not a certificate then what is it? I assume I'm still OK? Is there a way of checking if my certificate is OK? This popped up yesterday after I loaded the drivers and I ran it as part of the procedure but it came back today: http://i63.tinypic.com/2d19wg1.jpg Robert Usually the browser will warn if there's a problem with the trust tree of the certificate scheme. If a certificate has expired, the browser will usually warn you, and ask you what you want to do. If you see the green lock symbol, that probably means as far as the browser can see, the certificate is OK. Now, if Avast was enabled, it could be fooling the browser logic. And that's why your check, and seeing the "correct agent" is reported under the lock symbol, indicates there is no systematic problem caused by the Avast interference. Any further problems, the browser should tell you. ******* Your picture (2d19wg1.jpg), is interesting. The USB3 driver consists of two parts. There is the driver portion, which makes the port work. Drivers run in Ring0 and normally don't have permission problems. But, the USB3MON executable, is used to make a tray notification dialog in the lower right corner. It has to be elevated, as it's dealing with hardware and drivers. What the USB3MON prints on the screen is "This device could go faster, if you plugged it into a USB3 port". That's the kind of message it delivers. In other words, having the monitor run, isn't really necessary. If you plug a blue-cable device into a blue port, then everything should work and the USB3MON would be unnecessary. It's for naive people who don't know what USB3 is, and that their computer has two port types, and the peripherals come in USB2 and USB3 types. The message the USB3MON gives, is to help people plug the blue-cable devices into the blue port. Now, you probably installed that driver using your administrator-group account. If there was a tick box to "install for all users", perhaps the elevation would be handled correctly. The reason that message is showing now, is you're using your Limited User account (using it for safety reasons), and the USB3MON is not getting elevated as normal. To stop that, you can use any "startup item adjusting tool", such as Autoruns. Perhaps msconfig could also do it (but you have to be careful to not enable any other functions in msconfig). https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns It's a graphical program. You let it display everything (the default). Try and locate the USB3MON item, if it is labeled properly, and untick it. That may be enough, when Autoruns is run under your Limited User account, to stop it. After Autoruns has unticked the box, you should never see that prompt to elevate again. *But*, if you re-install the Intel USB3 driver, the same situation could arise again, and you would need to use Autoruns again to remove it. The Autoruns settings do not "persist against all odds". Any code with the capability to "put stuff back", will undo what Autoruns has done. I don't run Limited User here, so my experience with it is "limited" :-) Just a guess, Paul I saved Autoruns but don't know which file to select to run it. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg Robert The .chm file is a "Help file". You can click that and seek help. There may be an Index of help topics. The Autoruns64.exe looks like a good first try. I just used the 32 bit version "Autoruns.exe" to make this picture. My brand of USB3 is different than yours, but you can see the "theme" of the entry is the same. Similar naming and so on. https://i.postimg.cc/RZzyhsft/autoruns.gif Paul I tried running Autoruns64.exe then went to .chm to look for any help topics. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg filelist http://i67.tinypic.com/2l8yvjt.jpg autoruns help file http://i63.tinypic.com/1571wdc.jpg ... says archive root directory http://i68.tinypic.com/kd4ygi.jpg Why does my page look so different than yours? Thanks, Robert When you download a ZIP file, you have to unpack it. If you right-click while you are "inside" the ZIP. the menu has an "Extract" option. 7ZIP can do a similar thing. Right-click a ZIP file while you have 7ZIP installed, and there are Open Archive and Extract type options as well. Once the ZIP is unpacked into a like-named folder, then things should behave a bit better. Paul I tried again but really didn't know if I should run it or replace the file on how I should proceed so cancelled it: Could you point me in the right direction? http://i63.tinypic.com/2v2gtmp.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/o6jrb4.jpg http://i65.tinypic.com/t9jfdg.jpg http://i66.tinypic.com/1z68vsy.jpg Thanks, Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 12:42:53 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 7:34:03 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: There are sticker's on both the 8500 and 780 although I don't know if they are COA's We'll tackle getting the key when the DVD-R's arrive. So that's not a certificate then what is it? I assume I'm still OK? Is there a way of checking if my certificate is OK? This popped up yesterday after I loaded the drivers and I ran it as part of the procedure but it came back today: http://i63.tinypic.com/2d19wg1.jpg Robert Usually the browser will warn if there's a problem with the trust tree of the certificate scheme. If a certificate has expired, the browser will usually warn you, and ask you what you want to do. If you see the green lock symbol, that probably means as far as the browser can see, the certificate is OK. Now, if Avast was enabled, it could be fooling the browser logic. And that's why your check, and seeing the "correct agent" is reported under the lock symbol, indicates there is no systematic problem caused by the Avast interference. Any further problems, the browser should tell you. ******* Your picture (2d19wg1.jpg), is interesting. The USB3 driver consists of two parts. There is the driver portion, which makes the port work. Drivers run in Ring0 and normally don't have permission problems. But, the USB3MON executable, is used to make a tray notification dialog in the lower right corner. It has to be elevated, as it's dealing with hardware and drivers. What the USB3MON prints on the screen is "This device could go faster, if you plugged it into a USB3 port". That's the kind of message it delivers. In other words, having the monitor run, isn't really necessary. If you plug a blue-cable device into a blue port, then everything should work and the USB3MON would be unnecessary. It's for naive people who don't know what USB3 is, and that their computer has two port types, and the peripherals come in USB2 and USB3 types. The message the USB3MON gives, is to help people plug the blue-cable devices into the blue port. Now, you probably installed that driver using your administrator-group account. If there was a tick box to "install for all users", perhaps the elevation would be handled correctly. The reason that message is showing now, is you're using your Limited User account (using it for safety reasons), and the USB3MON is not getting elevated as normal. To stop that, you can use any "startup item adjusting tool", such as Autoruns. Perhaps msconfig could also do it (but you have to be careful to not enable any other functions in msconfig). https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns It's a graphical program. You let it display everything (the default). Try and locate the USB3MON item, if it is labeled properly, and untick it. That may be enough, when Autoruns is run under your Limited User account, to stop it. After Autoruns has unticked the box, you should never see that prompt to elevate again. *But*, if you re-install the Intel USB3 driver, the same situation could arise again, and you would need to use Autoruns again to remove it. The Autoruns settings do not "persist against all odds". Any code with the capability to "put stuff back", will undo what Autoruns has done. I don't run Limited User here, so my experience with it is "limited" :-) Just a guess, Paul I saved Autoruns but don't know which file to select to run it. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg Robert The .chm file is a "Help file". You can click that and seek help. There may be an Index of help topics. The Autoruns64.exe looks like a good first try. I just used the 32 bit version "Autoruns.exe" to make this picture. My brand of USB3 is different than yours, but you can see the "theme" of the entry is the same. Similar naming and so on. https://i.postimg.cc/RZzyhsft/autoruns.gif Paul I tried running Autoruns64.exe then went to .chm to look for any help topics. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg filelist http://i67.tinypic.com/2l8yvjt.jpg autoruns help file http://i63.tinypic.com/1571wdc.jpg ... says archive root directory http://i68.tinypic.com/kd4ygi.jpg Why does my page look so different than yours? Thanks, Robert When you download a ZIP file, you have to unpack it. If you right-click while you are "inside" the ZIP. the menu has an "Extract" option. 7ZIP can do a similar thing. Right-click a ZIP file while you have 7ZIP installed, and there are Open Archive and Extract type options as well. Once the ZIP is unpacked into a like-named folder, then things should behave a bit better. Paul I tried again but really didn't know if I should run it or replace the file on how I should proceed so cancelled it: Could you point me in the right direction? http://i63.tinypic.com/2v2gtmp.jpg UAC prompt for autoruns.exe http://i63.tinypic.com/o6jrb4.jpg (Context menu while inside a ZIP with explorer) http://i65.tinypic.com/t9jfdg.jpg Appears to be 7ZIP preparing to extract autoruns.exe http://i66.tinypic.com/1z68vsy.jpg Nope, too deep, extract .text segment of EXE. Naughty. Thanks, Robert Microsoft's idea of virtual folders seems lost on you. We need a drag and drop extractor or something. It seems like my idea of showing you 7ZIP just isn't working out. autoruns.zip === this is an archive file autoruns File Explorer allows you to look inside. Neat. autoruns.exe You can see all the files in there. autoruns.chm OK, so when you're inside a ZIP like that, thanks to File Explorer, it's none too clear to the user, exactly where they are. They're not in Kansas any more. They're in a kind of virtual folder. This concept was invented, to reduce the need to use WinZIP all the time, to do stuff. Before virtual folders like this were invented, people would do this download autoruns.zip use WinZIP to convert autoruns.zip to folder autoruns with files inside. The folder would typically then, be placed right next to the ZIP. autoruns.zip autoruns\ autoruns.exe autoruns.chm Now, everyone understands that concept. However, Microsoft thought it would be cool, to instead allow you to enter the ZIP for a look around, without even owning a copy of WinZIP or PKZip. When you're inside, the "Type" field in File Explorer might be the only hint, you've "gone down a rabbit hole". ******* Here are some pictures, two ways of doing things. The items in blue, cut to the chase. https://i.postimg.cc/mZn31CWy/extraction.gif 7-ZIP comes in handy, if the file ends in .rar, .cab, ..gz, .bzip, .xz plus a bunch more. Windows is good at .zip and .cab, and there are built-in tools for those. ******* You need to "Extract the folder" using one of the blue methods, placing the folder at the same level as the original ZIP. Once the folder is available, double-clicking autoruns.exe should present the window I showed originally. Then you can turn off the USB3MON thing. Paul |
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On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 9:54:04 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 12:42:53 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 7:34:03 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: There are sticker's on both the 8500 and 780 although I don't know if they are COA's We'll tackle getting the key when the DVD-R's arrive. So that's not a certificate then what is it? I assume I'm still OK? Is there a way of checking if my certificate is OK? This popped up yesterday after I loaded the drivers and I ran it as part of the procedure but it came back today: http://i63.tinypic.com/2d19wg1.jpg Robert Usually the browser will warn if there's a problem with the trust tree of the certificate scheme. If a certificate has expired, the browser will usually warn you, and ask you what you want to do. If you see the green lock symbol, that probably means as far as the browser can see, the certificate is OK. Now, if Avast was enabled, it could be fooling the browser logic. And that's why your check, and seeing the "correct agent" is reported under the lock symbol, indicates there is no systematic problem caused by the Avast interference. Any further problems, the browser should tell you. ******* Your picture (2d19wg1.jpg), is interesting. The USB3 driver consists of two parts. There is the driver portion, which makes the port work. Drivers run in Ring0 and normally don't have permission problems. But, the USB3MON executable, is used to make a tray notification dialog in the lower right corner. It has to be elevated, as it's dealing with hardware and drivers. What the USB3MON prints on the screen is "This device could go faster, if you plugged it into a USB3 port". That's the kind of message it delivers. In other words, having the monitor run, isn't really necessary. If you plug a blue-cable device into a blue port, then everything should work and the USB3MON would be unnecessary. It's for naive people who don't know what USB3 is, and that their computer has two port types, and the peripherals come in USB2 and USB3 types. The message the USB3MON gives, is to help people plug the blue-cable devices into the blue port. Now, you probably installed that driver using your administrator-group account. If there was a tick box to "install for all users", perhaps the elevation would be handled correctly. The reason that message is showing now, is you're using your Limited User account (using it for safety reasons), and the USB3MON is not getting elevated as normal. To stop that, you can use any "startup item adjusting tool", such as Autoruns. Perhaps msconfig could also do it (but you have to be careful to not enable any other functions in msconfig). https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns It's a graphical program. You let it display everything (the default). Try and locate the USB3MON item, if it is labeled properly, and untick it. That may be enough, when Autoruns is run under your Limited User account, to stop it. After Autoruns has unticked the box, you should never see that prompt to elevate again. *But*, if you re-install the Intel USB3 driver, the same situation could arise again, and you would need to use Autoruns again to remove it. The Autoruns settings do not "persist against all odds". Any code with the capability to "put stuff back", will undo what Autoruns has done. I don't run Limited User here, so my experience with it is "limited" :-) Just a guess, Paul I saved Autoruns but don't know which file to select to run it. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg Robert The .chm file is a "Help file". You can click that and seek help. There may be an Index of help topics. The Autoruns64.exe looks like a good first try. I just used the 32 bit version "Autoruns.exe" to make this picture. My brand of USB3 is different than yours, but you can see the "theme" of the entry is the same. Similar naming and so on. https://i.postimg.cc/RZzyhsft/autoruns.gif Paul I tried running Autoruns64.exe then went to .chm to look for any help topics. http://i65.tinypic.com/10562v7.jpg filelist http://i67.tinypic.com/2l8yvjt.jpg autoruns help file http://i63.tinypic.com/1571wdc.jpg ... says archive root directory http://i68.tinypic.com/kd4ygi.jpg Why does my page look so different than yours? Thanks, Robert When you download a ZIP file, you have to unpack it. If you right-click while you are "inside" the ZIP. the menu has an "Extract" option. 7ZIP can do a similar thing. Right-click a ZIP file while you have 7ZIP installed, and there are Open Archive and Extract type options as well. Once the ZIP is unpacked into a like-named folder, then things should behave a bit better. Paul I tried again but really didn't know if I should run it or replace the file on how I should proceed so cancelled it: Could you point me in the right direction? http://i63.tinypic.com/2v2gtmp.jpg UAC prompt for autoruns.exe http://i63.tinypic.com/o6jrb4.jpg (Context menu while inside a ZIP with explorer) http://i65.tinypic.com/t9jfdg.jpg Appears to be 7ZIP preparing to extract autoruns.exe http://i66.tinypic.com/1z68vsy.jpg Nope, too deep, extract .text segment of EXE. Naughty. Thanks, Robert Microsoft's idea of virtual folders seems lost on you. We need a drag and drop extractor or something. It seems like my idea of showing you 7ZIP just isn't working out. autoruns.zip === this is an archive file autoruns File Explorer allows you to look inside. Neat. autoruns.exe You can see all the files in there. autoruns.chm OK, so when you're inside a ZIP like that, thanks to File Explorer, it's none too clear to the user, exactly where they are. They're not in Kansas any more. They're in a kind of virtual folder. This concept was invented, to reduce the need to use WinZIP all the time, to do stuff. Before virtual folders like this were invented, people would do this download autoruns.zip use WinZIP to convert autoruns.zip to folder autoruns with files inside. The folder would typically then, be placed right next to the ZIP. autoruns.zip autoruns\ autoruns.exe autoruns.chm Now, everyone understands that concept. However, Microsoft thought it would be cool, to instead allow you to enter the ZIP for a look around, without even owning a copy of WinZIP or PKZip. When you're inside, the "Type" field in File Explorer might be the only hint, you've "gone down a rabbit hole". ******* Here are some pictures, two ways of doing things. The items in blue, cut to the chase. https://i.postimg.cc/mZn31CWy/extraction.gif 7-ZIP comes in handy, if the file ends in .rar, .cab, .gz, .bzip, .xz plus a bunch more. Windows is good at .zip and .cab, and there are built-in tools for those. ******* You need to "Extract the folder" using one of the blue methods, placing the folder at the same level as the original ZIP. Once the folder is available, double-clicking autoruns.exe should present the window I showed originally. Then you can turn off the USB3MON thing. Paul I am somewhat lost. When I right click on autoruns.exe I don't get the same screen as you do. That's why this is hard to follow. I right clicked on the start button and selected open Windows Explorer but it doesn't look anything like your example. What am I doing wrong? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/mZn31CWy/extraction.gif I am somewhat lost. When I right click on autoruns.exe I don't get the same screen as you do. That's why this is hard to follow. I right clicked on the start button and selected open Windows Explorer but it doesn't look anything like your example. What am I doing wrong? Robert Open File Explorer and your downloads folder. First, is there already a folder named "Autoruns" ? Look in the Type column and verify a folder is the Type of the item. You can open that folder, and double-click the "autoruns.exe" to run the program. Filename Type -------- ---- autoruns Folder ******* If there isn't a folder, now look to see if any file item is autoruns.ZIP or similar. Maybe the ZIP hasn't been unpacked to the folder yet. Use one of the easy methods, to extract the entire folder. Filename Type -------- ---- autoruns.zip ZIP file ---+ (Unpack to make folder) | autoruns Folder ---+ Once the folder has been created, you can double-click the autoruns.exe and run the program. Paul |
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On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 8:31:44 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: https://i.postimg.cc/mZn31CWy/extraction.gif I am somewhat lost. When I right click on autoruns.exe I don't get the same screen as you do. That's why this is hard to follow. I right clicked on the start button and selected open Windows Explorer but it doesn't look anything like your example. What am I doing wrong? Robert Open File Explorer and your downloads folder. First, is there already a folder named "Autoruns" ? Look in the Type column and verify a folder is the Type of the item. You can open that folder, and double-click the "autoruns.exe" to run the program. Filename Type -------- ---- autoruns Folder ******* If there isn't a folder, now look to see if any file item is autoruns.ZIP or similar. Maybe the ZIP hasn't been unpacked to the folder yet. Use one of the easy methods, to extract the entire folder. Filename Type -------- ---- autoruns.zip ZIP file ---+ (Unpack to make folder) | autoruns Folder ---+ Once the folder has been created, you can double-click the autoruns.exe and run the program. Paul There's (4) exe applications, which one? I then tried to search for Autoruns.exe and it found a zip file. So how should I proceed? I'm still not finding a way of extracting the file but didn't you say before that it's already been extracted by the because it was asking to add to the archive There's only two possible extractions via 7Zip One of which I showed you and lead nowhere. I can try the other and see if its different. Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 8:31:44 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: https://i.postimg.cc/mZn31CWy/extraction.gif I am somewhat lost. When I right click on autoruns.exe I don't get the same screen as you do. That's why this is hard to follow. I right clicked on the start button and selected open Windows Explorer but it doesn't look anything like your example. What am I doing wrong? Robert Open File Explorer and your downloads folder. First, is there already a folder named "Autoruns" ? Look in the Type column and verify a folder is the Type of the item. You can open that folder, and double-click the "autoruns.exe" to run the program. Filename Type -------- ---- autoruns Folder ******* If there isn't a folder, now look to see if any file item is autoruns.ZIP or similar. Maybe the ZIP hasn't been unpacked to the folder yet. Use one of the easy methods, to extract the entire folder. Filename Type -------- ---- autoruns.zip ZIP file ---+ (Unpack to make folder) | autoruns Folder ---+ Once the folder has been created, you can double-click the autoruns.exe and run the program. Paul There's (4) exe applications, which one? I then tried to search for Autoruns.exe and it found a zip file. So how should I proceed? I'm still not finding a way of extracting the file but didn't you say before that it's already been extracted by the because it was asking to add to the archive There's only two possible extractions via 7Zip One of which I showed you and lead nowhere. I can try the other and see if its different. Robert The first step is reviewing the materials on hand, before deciding how to proceed. If the ZIP is already unpacked to a folder, you just use the file in the folder. If the ZIP isn't unpacked, use one of the techniques in the picture, to extract the entire folder for easy usage. Paul |
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On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 9:32:03 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 8:31:44 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: https://i.postimg.cc/mZn31CWy/extraction.gif I am somewhat lost. When I right click on autoruns.exe I don't get the same screen as you do. That's why this is hard to follow. I right clicked on the start button and selected open Windows Explorer but it doesn't look anything like your example. What am I doing wrong? Robert Open File Explorer and your downloads folder. First, is there already a folder named "Autoruns" ? Look in the Type column and verify a folder is the Type of the item. You can open that folder, and double-click the "autoruns.exe" to run the program. Filename Type -------- ---- autoruns Folder ******* If there isn't a folder, now look to see if any file item is autoruns.ZIP or similar. Maybe the ZIP hasn't been unpacked to the folder yet. Use one of the easy methods, to extract the entire folder. Filename Type -------- ---- autoruns.zip ZIP file ---+ (Unpack to make folder) | autoruns Folder ---+ Once the folder has been created, you can double-click the autoruns.exe and run the program. Paul There's (4) exe applications, which one? I then tried to search for Autoruns.exe and it found a zip file. So how should I proceed? I'm still not finding a way of extracting the file but didn't you say before that it's already been extracted by the because it was asking to add to the archive There's only two possible extractions via 7Zip One of which I showed you and lead nowhere. I can try the other and see if its different. Robert I tried it again using the lower extract here option: http://i67.tinypic.com/fxdti0.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/14wx0dj.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/34i3jvn.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/2ngsdo3.jpg http://i66.tinypic.com/2m3hg2d.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/23tpeyw.jpg http://i65.tinypic.com/6pq3k6.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/ngygyp.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/34ipwsg.jpg http://i67.tinypic.com/2nbdf00.jpg Robert |
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