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  #166  
Old March 13th 19, 07:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Of course wired is still useful,


nobody said wired isn't useful.

for a *laptop*, wired is rarely used, which is why a lot of laptop
makers no longer include it.

I live in a large apartment building
and if I use Wireless I can count about 45 computers transmitting and
possibly sniffing for whatever nefarious reasons,


the only way to know how many computers are actively using wifi in your
apartment would be by sniffing (and i doubt you even know how), and
even then, it's encrypted so you won't get very far.

So No Thank You I'll
stick to mu rj45 wire.


must be a really, really long wire...


6 foot wire.


that's quite short and will render a laptop immobile. it's barely long
enough to go behind a desk.

the point which you *still* miss is that nearly all laptop users do not
use wired ethernet, which is why most laptop makers no longer include
it anymore, nor do tablets and phones.

desktop systems are generally wired (although not always), but this was
never about desktop systems.

what *you* personally choose to do is not representative of the rest of
the world and it isn't going to change what others do either.

the reality is that wireless is as fast or faster than wired (assuming
gigabit), comparable in reliability and unlike wired, encrypted.

for 10gb-e networks, wired is faster, but that is not common, yet.
prices are starting to come down, so that is definitely changing.

I know how, and many other things which you don't.


based on what you've posted so far, no you do not.

By the way did I tell you lately your still a useless moron?


ad hominem attack, which means you have nothing to back up your useless
and entirely bogus claims.
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  #167  
Old March 13th 19, 08:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mike wrote:
On 3/13/2019 10:44 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Mayayana
wrote:

I wired our house with 4 ports, running the wires
next to chimneys and such. It's silly to use wireless
if you don't have to.


not everyone can do that, especially those who rent, and for those who
own, it is often expensive to hide wires in the walls.

but that doesn't work very well for laptops, which was what is being
discussed.

You need to be aware, though, that nospam is an
Apple devotee and a compulsive arguer. He hangs around
numerous newsgroups and just argues for the sake
of it, with anyone who'll engage him. Most of what
he says is nonsense made to resemble reasoning.
With his arguments, his rebuttal is always just a bit
off. You say the sky is blue. He'll say not on cloudy
days. You say wires are better. He'll say not if you
don't have a jack on your device. Or maybe he'll
just say "Wrong!" or "Idiot!", without providing the
slightest backup for his position. It just goes in
circles.


ad hominem.

you have provided *zero* evidence that wired is better.

I did a lot of futzing with a wireless bridge across 20'.
Was dramatically slower than what I get with Gigabit wired
that replaced it.
Across 50' or so to a tablet at the other end of the house,
wireless is horribly slow.
Not everybody has top-tier wireless hardware.


If you have accommodation with steel framings of various
sorts, you would not expect wireless to be flawless as a result.

At work, for example, you couldn't get signals in or out.
Cell phones relied on ceiling "hotspots" installed
for the purpose. The same way they do it in malls.

Not every building is a candidate for Wifi.

And it's a matter of degree.

The 60GHz standard, doesn't go further than about
25 feet line-of-sight. And in addition, it
won't go through a doorway, or penetrate a wall.
A wall is practically a perfect barrier to 60GHz (Wigig).
When it works, at a distance of five or six feet,
it can do 700MB/sec.

As the frequency drops, the penetration improves.
At 2.5GHz, you can go through a wood frame doorway,
or through several rooms. The antennas may or may
not point signal towards attic or basement. The
coverage may be a toroidal shape for the main floor.
Repeaters placed on other floors could complete coverage.

https://www.engadget.com/2014/09/01/...nal-reception/

At 900MHz, penetration is better. The fire department
uses 900MHz handies, and the elevator shaft, for calling
between floors. But 900MHz isn't a Wifi frequency. And
900MHz or thereabouts, may be used as part of the
broad set of frequencies for 5G (which uses just about
any white space they can think of). And now that TV
no longer uses the top part of UHF, I expect those
frequencies to be auctioned some day (if they aren't
already).

Paul
  #168  
Old March 14th 19, 12:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/13/19 3:27 AM, Neil wrote:
I don't use OO/LO to interact with others because neither handles
anything but the most simplistic documents in translation. So, I
wouldn't care about that kind of use. But, to mangle their own files? I
had to recreate dozens of their documents in MS-Office (at my own
expense, BTW) to avoid going through that again. I have NO time for that
kindÂ*ofÂ*BS.


I recommend to my customer that have to send out mailings
to use LO's and Word PDF export option and send as a PDF.
That way even iPads can read them.

  #169  
Old March 14th 19, 12:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2019-03-13, nospam wrote:
that's quite short and will render a laptop immobile. it's barely long
enough to go behind a desk.


I have seen many instances where laptops are installed in situations
where there is limited desk space, and a wired connection is used. (Such
machines are rarely if ever used on battery either, so battery life
is not considered when purchasing.) Portability is only one reason to
choose a laptop, not the only one.

the reality is that wireless is as fast or faster than wired (assuming
gigabit), comparable in reliability and unlike wired, encrypted.


That has not been my experience and if you are on an open connection
it is not encrypted. (At least not until WPA3 is widely adopted.) Also
WPA2 is fairly easy to crack at this point. To "hack" a wired connection
you need to be physically present to jack into the network.

I typically see connection speed of 300-700 megabits on wireless-AC.
Pretty good but still not as fast as a wired gigabit connection.
Doesn't make much difference for most internet use. It does make a
difference when transferring large files between your PC and a local
server or if your use case requires the least possible latency.

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  #170  
Old March 14th 19, 12:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/13/19 9:35 AM, Mayayana wrote:
It's silly to use wireless
if you don't have to.


As a Radio Design engineer before doing this stuff, I can
only say "well stated"
  #171  
Old March 14th 19, 12:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/13/19 4:26 AM, Mike wrote:
It'sÂ*notÂ*allÂ*aboutÂ*'can't'.
I'mÂ*sureÂ*IÂ*CANÂ*learnÂ*toÂ*driveÂ*aÂ*carÂ*with *theÂ*steeringÂ*wheel
onÂ*theÂ*rightÂ*side.
I'mÂ*confidentÂ*thatÂ*itÂ*willÂ*getÂ*meÂ*whereÂ*IÂ *needÂ*toÂ*goÂ*withÂ*almost
asÂ*muchÂ*safety...upÂ*untilÂ*IÂ*haveÂ*anÂ*emergen cyÂ*thatÂ*reliesÂ*on
experienceÂ*andÂ*muscleÂ*memory.
IÂ*canÂ*alwaysÂ*getÂ*outÂ*ofÂ*theÂ*carÂ*andÂ*walk *aroundÂ*toÂ*theÂ*paymentÂ*robot
atÂ*theÂ*carÂ*park.
BUTÂ*WHYÂ*wouldÂ*IÂ*goÂ*outÂ*ofÂ*myÂ*wayÂ*toÂ*doÂ* soÂ*forÂ*noÂ*perceivedÂ*benefit?

TheÂ*worldÂ*runsÂ*onÂ*localÂ*standards.
PeopleÂ*resistÂ*change.
DesktopÂ*linuxÂ*violatesÂ*bothÂ*byÂ*intent.


Windows is not Linux and Linux is not Windows. If
you are expecting one to be a clone of the other, you
will be sorely disappointing. OSx for that
matter too.

If you want Windows, then use Windows and suffer with
the eight points made in the original post. If you
go with Linux, then it will come with problems all
of its own. I can not make Linux a clone of Windows
with all of Windows problems solved.

  #172  
Old March 14th 19, 01:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:

And now that TV no longer uses the top part of UHF, I expect those
frequencies to be auctioned some day (if they aren't
already).


And just like that, there's an article today about
600MHz being auctioned off. It doesn't say what channels
exactly, but it could be UHF 36 through UHF 51. So more
bandwidth for cell service, and moar fluffy cat photos.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/600...tion-1.5051455

Paul


  #173  
Old March 14th 19, 01:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10 fedora

On 3/13/19 3:52 AM, Mike wrote:
WentÂ*toÂ*fedoraÂ*websiteÂ*andÂ*downloadedÂ*theÂ*d iskÂ*creator.
RanÂ*itÂ*andÂ*createdÂ*theÂ*usbÂ*liveÂ*version.
TheÂ*verificationÂ*progressÂ*barÂ*hitÂ*theÂ*endÂ*a ndÂ*itÂ*justÂ*hung.
SubtractÂ*1Â*fromÂ*theÂ*confidenceÂ*meter...

BurnedÂ*theÂ*.isoÂ*toÂ*aÂ*DVD.Â*Â*ThatÂ*workedÂ*fi ne.
LaterÂ*foundÂ*outÂ*thatÂ*theÂ*USBÂ*thumbÂ*driveÂ*w ouldÂ*boot
withÂ*theÂ*sameÂ*symptomsÂ*below.


1) redownload and run the check sum against it

2) burn the USB with "dd".

3) first boot, run the integrity check

retest

Also, it would help if you stated which spin you downloaded.




  #174  
Old March 14th 19, 03:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , wrote:

It's silly to use wireless
if you don't have to.


As a Radio Design engineer before doing this stuff, I can
only say "well stated"


all things being equal, maybe, but they never are.

laptops are designed to be portable and a wired connection will quickly
become a problem when moving around.

the reality is that laptop users rarely, if ever, use a wired ethernet
port, which is why many laptop makers no longer include them, and for
the rare times they need wired, use an adapter.

and it's not just laptops. once 5g is widely deployed (a few years),
expect to see wireless isps becoming common because it will be cheaper
to deploy that versus rewiring every street in every neighborhood,
particularly for higher speeds.

https://about.att.com/story/att_expa...5g_trials_to_a
dditional_markets.html
We¹re seeing speeds up to 1 Gigabit per second and latency rates well
under 10 milliseconds for the radio link at customer trial locations
in Austin. *We also continue to conduct outdoor pre-standards mobile
5G testing.
  #175  
Old March 14th 19, 03:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , wrote:

I don't use OO/LO to interact with others because neither handles
anything but the most simplistic documents in translation. So, I
wouldn't care about that kind of use. But, to mangle their own files? I
had to recreate dozens of their documents in MS-Office (at my own
expense, BTW) to avoid going through that again. I have NO time for that
kind*of*BS.


I recommend to my customer that have to send out mailings
to use LO's and Word PDF export option and send as a PDF.
That way even iPads can read them.


pdf is certainly preferable for many reasons, however, ipads can read
ms office documents without issue, and although it's not required to
read them, there is ms office for ios and android for editing (or just
reading).
  #176  
Old March 14th 19, 03:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Roger Blake
wrote:

that's quite short and will render a laptop immobile. it's barely long
enough to go behind a desk.


I have seen many instances where laptops are installed in situations
where there is limited desk space, and a wired connection is used.


if there's limited desk space, then wireless would be a better choice
so as to not be confined to the desk.

that's also not a common situation.

(Such
machines are rarely if ever used on battery either, so battery life
is not considered when purchasing.)


then why buy a laptop at all?

use a wall mount or an arm attached to the side of the desk and there
is no impact to the limited desk space.

Portability is only one reason to
choose a laptop, not the only one.


it's by far the main reason for most people.

otherwise, a desktop would likely be a better choice since for the same
money, it usually has better performance, larger displays and/or other
features (slots, drive bays, etc.)

meanwhile, most laptop users don't want to pay for a port they won't be
using much, if ever, which is why many laptop makers are no longer
including it.

not all makers do that (yet), so if someone does want wired ethernet on
a laptop, they can choose one that has it, or just use an adapter.

the reality is that wireless is as fast or faster than wired (assuming
gigabit), comparable in reliability and unlike wired, encrypted.


That has not been my experience


it has for me. gigabit is a bottleneck, but 10gb-e is not cheap enough
yet to justify the advantages. it's getting there though.

and if you are on an open connection
it is not encrypted.


open connections would be at public hotspots, where one would not
expect much privacy, and in that situation, use a vpn. problem solved.

a home or office network is almost always encrypted, and if not, it
absolutely should be for all sorts of reasons.

(At least not until WPA3 is widely adopted.) Also
WPA2 is fairly easy to crack at this point.


it's not as easy as you might think, and really only an issue if you
specifically are being targeted, in which case you have far bigger
problems than worrying about wifi.

the usual scenario is someone wants to mooch wifi, so they'll jump on
whatever is easiest to crack. your wifi network only needs to be harder
to crack than the rest and since there are still a lot of networks with
wep (or no password), wpa2 can be considered fairly safe.

nothing is perfect.

To "hack" a wired connection
you need to be physically present to jack into the network.


only long enough to drop a tap, which is just seconds. after that,
physical presence is not required, except to retrieve the tap, unless
it can be accessed remotely (some can).

or even better, gain access via a phishing attack. then it doesn't
matter how someone connects, or if they do at all, and the amount of
data one can get is a *lot* greater...

I typically see connection speed of 300-700 megabits on wireless-AC.
Pretty good but still not as fast as a wired gigabit connection.


that's due to your choice of equipment, not the technology itself.

i typically see 800-850mb/s, which is a little slower than wired but
not enough to deal with cables, at least for laptops.

it also only matters if the network is saturated, which is not that
common. how often do you use more 700mb/s for an extended period of
time?

again, the limit is actually the gigabit uplink:
https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/imag...sus_rtac86u/as
us_rtac86u_5ghz_peak_dn.jpg

Doesn't make much difference for most internet use.


correct, which is what most people do.

It does make a
difference when transferring large files between your PC and a local
server or if your use case requires the least possible latency.


it might if the wifi link isn't optimal, but that's not a common
scenario anyway, however, if it's big enough to make a difference, use
an adapter for the transfer and then switch back.

it's not a justification to have an ethernet port when most of the
time, it won't be used.

on the other hand, if both client and server have 10gb-e, then file
transfer over wired would be faster, but that's not (yet) common. it
will happen fairly soon, but that day is not now.
  #177  
Old March 14th 19, 03:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:42:28 -0500, nospam
wrote:

the reality is that laptop users rarely, if ever, use a wired ethernet
port, which is why many laptop makers no longer include them, and for
the rare times they need wired, use an adapter.


Do you have a link to the article, survey, report, or whatever, that
helped you come to the conclusion that laptop users rarely, if ever, use
a wired Ethernet port and that many laptop makers no longer include that
port?

Thanks.


  #178  
Old March 14th 19, 04:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 16:32:52 -0700, T wrote:

On 3/13/19 9:35 AM, Mayayana wrote:
It's silly to use wireless
if you don't have to.


As a Radio Design engineer before doing this stuff, I can
only say "well stated"


I wish you guys were around when I was arging this general topic with
nospam in re.photo.digital.
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  #179  
Old March 14th 19, 05:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

the reality is that laptop users rarely, if ever, use a wired ethernet
port, which is why many laptop makers no longer include them, and for
the rare times they need wired, use an adapter.


Do you have a link to the article, survey, report, or whatever, that
helped you come to the conclusion that laptop users rarely, if ever, use
a wired Ethernet port and that many laptop makers no longer include that
port?


hp, asus, microsoft, lenovo, google, apple and others do not have an
ethernet port in some or all of their laptops.

they didn't leave it out to **** off users. it's gone because it's not
used much anymore.

laptops are designed to be portable. cables puts a hard limit on that.
802.11ac wifi is comparable in speed to gigabit, so except for unusual
situations, there's little need for wired, and for those, an adapter
will suffice.

https://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/laptops/spectre-x360-211501--1
https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/ASUS...GD/specificati
ons/
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/su...3dd91b?activet
ab=pivot:techspecstab
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops...ThinkPad-X1-Ex
treme/p/22TP2TXX1E1
  #180  
Old March 14th 19, 05:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

It's silly to use wireless
if you don't have to.


As a Radio Design engineer before doing this stuff, I can
only say "well stated"


I wish you guys were around when I was arging this general topic with
nospam in re.photo.digital.


what you were arguing about was based on your very outdated 10 year old
802.11n 1x1 router, which can do about 70mb/s on a good day.

your mistake is assuming that because your setup is slow, all wifi is
slow. that is simply not true.

modern wifi equipment is substantially faster than what you have.

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/imag...sus_rtac86u/as
us_rtac86u_5ghz_peak_dn.jpg

and then there's the convenience of wireless.
 




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