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  #1  
Old September 6th 18, 12:12 PM posted to demon.ip.support.turnpike,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

In message , Bill
writes (in demon.ip.support.turnpike; TP runs
under 7-32 not 7-64 [it's 32-bit code, but is a shell extension]):
[]
I then thought about installing 32-bit W7 as the VM and this went well
and activated using the same code as the main W7 64-bit.

[]
Apologies for hijacking the thread, but it is (just) TP-related.

I'm currently running TP on a true - not VM - 32-bit W7 machine, which
I'd acquired specifically for that purpose (though not _used_ until the
XP machine died. In other ways not related to TP, it's a much nicer
machine). TP runs pretty well under it: a couple of minor niggles, as
others have also discovered - some icons are missing or tiny on some
windows, and/so starting a new email when not in a mailbox takes a
split-second longer, but on the whole I can forget anything's changed.

Looking to the future (i. e. if this machine dies before I do), I
suspect 32-bit W7 machines will be hard to find, so I might have to get
a 64 and do as you do. Since I don't _have_ a valid code (I presume you
mean the Microsoft "key"), and won't have other than the one sort of
built-in to the machine I get (which would be a laptop not a desktop),
does anyone know if the above fortunate-ness - the W7-32 virtual
activating with the same code as the W7-64 real - would be the case with
the key I would be able to extract from the W7-64, using Belarc or one
of the many other utilities that extract keys? That would _I presume_ be
an OEM one, whereas it sounds as if Bill above (since he talks about
having activated it on the 64 host) was using a full retail, or at least
a system builder (if those exist for 7). [Any replacement machine I get
would be second-hand with 7 already on it - I wouldn't know how the
seller (probably a dealer rather than private individual) would have
installed it; unlike many on here (w7 'group that is), _my_ experience
of buying s/h systems with preloaded OS has been that they're clean and
functional, though occasionally lacking some of the more esoteric
drivers (which I've always been able to get from the manufacturer's
website) or not having the screen resolution set to native, suggesting
the sellers have a batch procedure for setting up machines for resale.]
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  #2  
Old September 6th 18, 12:53 PM posted to demon.ip.support.turnpike,alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill
writes (in demon.ip.support.turnpike; TP runs
under 7-32 not 7-64 [it's 32-bit code, but is a shell extension]):
[]
I then thought about installing 32-bit W7 as the VM and this went well
and activated using the same code as the main W7 64-bit.

[]
Apologies for hijacking the thread, but it is (just) TP-related.

I'm currently running TP on a true - not VM - 32-bit W7 machine, which
I'd acquired specifically for that purpose (though not _used_ until the
XP machine died. In other ways not related to TP, it's a much nicer
machine). TP runs pretty well under it: a couple of minor niggles, as
others have also discovered - some icons are missing or tiny on some
windows, and/so starting a new email when not in a mailbox takes a
split-second longer, but on the whole I can forget anything's changed.

Looking to the future (i. e. if this machine dies before I do), I
suspect 32-bit W7 machines will be hard to find, so I might have to get
a 64 and do as you do. Since I don't _have_ a valid code (I presume you
mean the Microsoft "key"), and won't have other than the one sort of
built-in to the machine I get (which would be a laptop not a desktop),
does anyone know if the above fortunate-ness - the W7-32 virtual
activating with the same code as the W7-64 real - would be the case with
the key I would be able to extract from the W7-64, using Belarc or one
of the many other utilities that extract keys? That would _I presume_ be
an OEM one, whereas it sounds as if Bill above (since he talks about
having activated it on the 64 host) was using a full retail, or at least
a system builder (if those exist for 7). [Any replacement machine I get
would be second-hand with 7 already on it - I wouldn't know how the
seller (probably a dealer rather than private individual) would have
installed it; unlike many on here (w7 'group that is), _my_ experience
of buying s/h systems with preloaded OS has been that they're clean and
functional, though occasionally lacking some of the more esoteric
drivers (which I've always been able to get from the manufacturer's
website) or not having the screen resolution set to native, suggesting
the sellers have a batch procedure for setting up machines for resale.]


Win7 Retail and Win7 System Builder OEM license keys work
for both x64 and x86 installs. Even if the little cardboard
thing with a single DVD inside is x64-only media, if you
can find x86 media, you can still activate it.

Modern "x64" processors support two modes. In the mixed
mode, they support 32 bit and 64 bit instructions at the
same time. If you want it bad enough, apparently there is
a "pure" 64 bit setting for the processor, which eliminates
support for 32 bit stuff. There might be one OS around which
flips that bit and does things that way.

Royalty OEM (Dell/HP/Acer) machines have two keys. At least on
the older machines they do. The BIOS contains a SLIC table,
which identifies the manufacturer. A Dell machine with a SLIC
table, will run Dell WinXP, Dell Vista, Dell Win7. And likely
for either bitness as well. Of course, you still have to
acquire the image from Dell, in the form of DVDs or whatever.
I've not heard anyone describe a procedure fro acquiring all
possible OSes for this purpose.

On Win8.1 and Win10, there is an MSDM table in the BIOS, and it
contains an actual license key. The license key is good for the
OS that came with it. The license key would work with x64 or x86
OS (retail or royalty OEM, with likely some arm-flapping for
the retail case). It's not clear whether any boxen from the
likes of Dell, ship with both a SLIC table and an MSDM key
at the same time. Business class OEM machines come with
downgrade rights for Professional, which would suggest a
Win8.1 machine could have both kinds of authorization in
the BIOS.

On a WinXP/Vista/Win7 Royalty OEM machine (the ones with the
SLIC activation), the "key" in the OS (extractable with
MagicJellybean), is generic and not recycle-able. Up to
Win7, there would be a COA sticker with a separate (unique
per machine) license key, which can be used for Retail
software reinstall. This is in case the hard drive is
ruined, and no recovery media was made. This requires
phone activation (because I've done it and went through that).
The COA sticker, if this was a Win7 laptop and had a Win7
COA for Home Premium on the outside, could be used to
install Win7 Retail Home Premium x86 or x64.

There are lots and lots of ways to do it.

And we didn't even discuss "Daz Loader".

Paul
  #3  
Old September 6th 18, 03:00 PM posted to demon.ip.support.turnpike,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill
writes (in demon.ip.support.turnpike; TP runs
under 7-32 not 7-64 [it's 32-bit code, but is a shell extension]):
[]
I then thought about installing 32-bit W7 as the VM and this went
well and activated using the same code as the main W7 64-bit.

[]
Apologies for hijacking the thread, but it is (just) TP-related.

[]
not a desktop), does anyone know if the above fortunate-ness - the
W7-32 virtual activating with the same code as the W7-64 real - would
be the case with the key I would be able to extract from the W7-64,
using Belarc or one of the many other utilities that extract keys?
That would _I presume_ be an OEM one, whereas it sounds as if Bill
above (since he talks about having activated it on the 64 host) was
using a full retail, or at least a system builder (if those exist for

[]
Win7 Retail and Win7 System Builder OEM license keys work
for both x64 and x86 installs. Even if the little cardboard
thing with a single DVD inside is x64-only media, if you
can find x86 media, you can still activate it.


Thanks. So I _could_ extract the key and install (and activate - I'll
assume that's implied from here on) W7-32 in a VM on a W7-64 OEM
machine, but I'd have to find the W7-32 media (which might have to be
machine-, or at least maker-, specific).
[]
Royalty OEM (Dell/HP/Acer) machines have two keys. At least on


Only those three, or all OEM (e. g. Toshiba, Samsung)?

the older machines they do. The BIOS contains a SLIC table,
which identifies the manufacturer. A Dell machine with a SLIC
table, will run Dell WinXP, Dell Vista, Dell Win7. And likely
for either bitness as well. Of course, you still have to
acquire the image from Dell, in the form of DVDs or whatever.
I've not heard anyone describe a procedure fro acquiring all
possible OSes for this purpose.

On Win8.1 and Win10, there is an MSDM table in the BIOS, and it


I'll be with 7, I'm pretty sure!
[]
On a WinXP/Vista/Win7 Royalty OEM machine (the ones with the
SLIC activation), the "key" in the OS (extractable with
MagicJellybean), is generic and not recycle-able. Up to
Win7, there would be a COA sticker with a separate (unique
per machine) license key, which can be used for Retail
software reinstall. This is in case the hard drive is
ruined, and no recovery media was made. This requires
phone activation (because I've done it and went through that).
The COA sticker, if this was a Win7 laptop and had a Win7
COA for Home Premium on the outside, could be used to
install Win7 Retail Home Premium x86 or x64.


So I _could_ use a full Retail DVD (rather than having to find an OEM
one specific to that manufacturer), _if_ the machine has a genuine W7
sticker on it - is that right? And I could use this to install 7-32 in a
VM, as long as the host 7-64 isn't disturbed?

There are lots and lots of ways to do it.


)-:

And we didn't even discuss "Daz Loader".


(-:

Paul


Thanks, John
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  #4  
Old September 6th 18, 04:23 PM posted to demon.ip.support.turnpike,alt.windows7.general
Mike Isaacs
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Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writes
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill
writes (in demon.ip.support.turnpike; TP runs
under 7-32 not 7-64 [it's 32-bit code, but is a shell extension]):
[]
I then thought about installing 32-bit W7 as the VM and this went
well and activated using the same code as the main W7 64-bit.
[]
Apologies for hijacking the thread, but it is (just) TP-related.

[]
not a desktop), does anyone know if the above fortunate-ness - the
W7-32 virtual activating with the same code as the W7-64 real -
would be the case with the key I would be able to extract from the
W7-64, using Belarc or one of the many other utilities that extract
keys? That would _I presume_ be an OEM one, whereas it sounds as if
Bill above (since he talks about having activated it on the 64 host)
was using a full retail, or at least a system builder (if those exist for

[]
Win7 Retail and Win7 System Builder OEM license keys work
for both x64 and x86 installs. Even if the little cardboard
thing with a single DVD inside is x64-only media, if you
can find x86 media, you can still activate it.


Thanks. So I _could_ extract the key and install (and activate - I'll
assume that's implied from here on) W7-32 in a VM on a W7-64 OEM
machine, but I'd have to find the W7-32 media (which might have to be
machine-, or at least maker-, specific).
[]
Royalty OEM (Dell/HP/Acer) machines have two keys. At least on


Only those three, or all OEM (e. g. Toshiba, Samsung)?

the older machines they do. The BIOS contains a SLIC table,
which identifies the manufacturer. A Dell machine with a SLIC
table, will run Dell WinXP, Dell Vista, Dell Win7. And likely
for either bitness as well. Of course, you still have to
acquire the image from Dell, in the form of DVDs or whatever.
I've not heard anyone describe a procedure fro acquiring all
possible OSes for this purpose.

On Win8.1 and Win10, there is an MSDM table in the BIOS, and it


I'll be with 7, I'm pretty sure!
[]
On a WinXP/Vista/Win7 Royalty OEM machine (the ones with the
SLIC activation), the "key" in the OS (extractable with
MagicJellybean), is generic and not recycle-able. Up to
Win7, there would be a COA sticker with a separate (unique
per machine) license key, which can be used for Retail
software reinstall. This is in case the hard drive is
ruined, and no recovery media was made. This requires
phone activation (because I've done it and went through that).
The COA sticker, if this was a Win7 laptop and had a Win7
COA for Home Premium on the outside, could be used to
install Win7 Retail Home Premium x86 or x64.


So I _could_ use a full Retail DVD (rather than having to find an OEM
one specific to that manufacturer), _if_ the machine has a genuine W7
sticker on it - is that right? And I could use this to install 7-32 in
a VM, as long as the host 7-64 isn't disturbed?

There are lots and lots of ways to do it.


)-:

And we didn't even discuss "Daz Loader".


(-:

Paul


Thanks, John



My "two penny worth"

I bought a refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad with Win 7 pro 64 bit over a year
ago, and installed Windows Virtual XP mode on it.

I transferred my complete TP folder from my old XP machine to the new
Virtual XP mode "program files" directory, and then ran "entire.exe" in
the virtual machine.

Everything started up, with all of my old data files in place, and has
run without any problems ever since.
--
Mike Isaacs
  #5  
Old September 6th 18, 04:57 PM posted to demon.ip.support.turnpike,alt.windows7.general
John Hall
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Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writes
Looking to the future (i. e. if this machine dies before I do), I
suspect 32-bit W7 machines will be hard to find, so I might have to get
a 64 and do as you do.


You could always buy a machine without an OS pre-installed, and buy a
Win 7 32-bit CD and install it from scratch yourself, which is what I
did with this machine. I imagine that Win 7 32-bit CDs will be buyable
for some years yet. (Or if not, you could buy one now to be ready.) The
one major downside is that I believe that even security updates for Win
7 are going to be discontinued by Microsoft in 2020.
--
John Hall
"Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history
that man can never learn anything from history."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
  #6  
Old September 6th 18, 07:53 PM posted to demon.ip.support.turnpike,alt.windows7.general
Bill[_40_]
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Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

In message , Mike Isaacs
writes
In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writes
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill
writes (in demon.ip.support.turnpike; TP runs
under 7-32 not 7-64 [it's 32-bit code, but is a shell extension]):
[]
I then thought about installing 32-bit W7 as the VM and this went
well and activated using the same code as the main W7 64-bit.
[]
Apologies for hijacking the thread, but it is (just) TP-related.

[]
not a desktop), does anyone know if the above fortunate-ness - the
W7-32 virtual activating with the same code as the W7-64 real -
would be the case with the key I would be able to extract from the
W7-64, using Belarc or one of the many other utilities that extract
keys? That would _I presume_ be an OEM one, whereas it sounds as if
Bill above (since he talks about having activated it on the 64
host) was using a full retail, or at least a system builder (if those exist for

[]
Win7 Retail and Win7 System Builder OEM license keys work
for both x64 and x86 installs. Even if the little cardboard
thing with a single DVD inside is x64-only media, if you
can find x86 media, you can still activate it.


Thanks. So I _could_ extract the key and install (and activate - I'll
assume that's implied from here on) W7-32 in a VM on a W7-64 OEM
machine, but I'd have to find the W7-32 media (which might have to be
machine-, or at least maker-, specific).
[]
Royalty OEM (Dell/HP/Acer) machines have two keys. At least on


Only those three, or all OEM (e. g. Toshiba, Samsung)?

the older machines they do. The BIOS contains a SLIC table,
which identifies the manufacturer. A Dell machine with a SLIC
table, will run Dell WinXP, Dell Vista, Dell Win7. And likely
for either bitness as well. Of course, you still have to
acquire the image from Dell, in the form of DVDs or whatever.
I've not heard anyone describe a procedure fro acquiring all
possible OSes for this purpose.

On Win8.1 and Win10, there is an MSDM table in the BIOS, and it


I'll be with 7, I'm pretty sure!
[]
On a WinXP/Vista/Win7 Royalty OEM machine (the ones with the
SLIC activation), the "key" in the OS (extractable with
MagicJellybean), is generic and not recycle-able. Up to
Win7, there would be a COA sticker with a separate (unique
per machine) license key, which can be used for Retail
software reinstall. This is in case the hard drive is
ruined, and no recovery media was made. This requires
phone activation (because I've done it and went through that).
The COA sticker, if this was a Win7 laptop and had a Win7
COA for Home Premium on the outside, could be used to
install Win7 Retail Home Premium x86 or x64.


So I _could_ use a full Retail DVD (rather than having to find an OEM
one specific to that manufacturer), _if_ the machine has a genuine W7
sticker on it - is that right? And I could use this to install 7-32 in
a VM, as long as the host 7-64 isn't disturbed?

There are lots and lots of ways to do it.


)-:

And we didn't even discuss "Daz Loader".


(-:

Paul


Thanks, John



My "two penny worth"

I bought a refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad with Win 7 pro 64 bit over a
year ago, and installed Windows Virtual XP mode on it.

I transferred my complete TP folder from my old XP machine to the new
Virtual XP mode "program files" directory, and then ran "entire.exe" in
the virtual machine.

Everything started up, with all of my old data files in place, and has
run without any problems ever since.


I also have just bought a refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad W7 pro 64, which
is the machine in use at the start of this thread (pre the W7 ng). I am
not certain about exactly what version of W7 64 came with the machine,
but it was presumably a "Microsoft Official Refurbisher" version and had
to be activated using the freshly applied COA sticker. That was what I
used to activate the virtual W7 32. This worked without having to use
phone activation.
I, for the nth time, had trouble installing the VMWare Tools, so at that
stage gave up trying to install Turnpike on W7.

Turnpike looks better on XP and has its full range of buttons, so I
installed XP using a version and activation code from the now defunct
Microsoft Technet scheme. To my surprise this worked using telephone
activation and VMWare Tools went in and worked.

I am still not sure whether XP or W7 are better for Turnpike on the
virtual machine.

I have only just got printing to work on XP, and I have had to
reinstall Opera 12 after it crashed. Suggestions for a reliable XP
browser would be welcome. The only other thing I need to get going,
possibly using the shared folders and Libre Office on the host machine,
is some means of handling .docx and other paperwork the family send me
for printing.

This laptop uses an mSATA SSD as the boot drive and a 5400rpm 1TB data
drive, so I still would be interested if anyone can pass on experience
of installing the VM on the D: data drive to save the space on the ssd.

The final thing I have noticed is that when typing in Turnpike on the VM
in Unity mode, I sometimes lose focus on the window I'm typing in. I
assume this is because of some event on the underlying host system. It
is very annoying if I'm typing without looking at the screen.
--
Bill

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  #7  
Old September 7th 18, 12:47 AM posted to demon.ip.support.turnpike,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Posts: 2,679
Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

In message , John Hall
writes:
In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writes
Looking to the future (i. e. if this machine dies before I do), I
suspect 32-bit W7 machines will be hard to find, so I might have to
get a 64 and do as you do.


You could always buy a machine without an OS pre-installed, and buy a
Win 7 32-bit CD and install it from scratch yourself, which is what I


Once, yes. Now, I'm just getting too old for that level of messing about
- there's also the matter of drivers.

did with this machine. I imagine that Win 7 32-bit CDs will be buyable
for some years yet. (Or if not, you could buy one now to be ready.) The
one major downside is that I believe that even security updates for Win
7 are going to be discontinued by Microsoft in 2020.


That last wouldn't worry me: I was running XP until earlier this year.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Anything you add for security will slow the computer but it shouldn't be
significant or prolonged. Security software is to protect the computer, not
the primary use of the computer.
- VanguardLH in alt.windows7.general, 2018-1-28
  #8  
Old September 7th 18, 11:37 AM posted to demon.ip.support.turnpike,alt.windows7.general
Roy Brown
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Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writing at 00:47:12 in his/her local time
opines:-
In message , John Hall
writes:
In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writes
Looking to the future (i. e. if this machine dies before I do), I
suspect 32-bit W7 machines will be hard to find, so I might have to
get a 64 and do as you do.


You could always buy a machine without an OS pre-installed, and buy a
Win 7 32-bit CD and install it from scratch yourself, which is what I


Once, yes. Now, I'm just getting too old for that level of messing
about - there's also the matter of drivers.

did with this machine. I imagine that Win 7 32-bit CDs will be buyable
for some years yet. (Or if not, you could buy one now to be ready.)
The one major downside is that I believe that even security updates
for Win 7 are going to be discontinued by Microsoft in 2020.


That last wouldn't worry me: I was running XP until earlier this year.


Why don't you just note the key of the W7 32-bit machine you have now
and use that on any future 32-bit VM?

If your current machine dies, you are perfectly well entitled to move it
to a new machine.

Though any new machine you get is likely to be W10; this TP is running
perfectly well (apart from the tiny icons you have anyway) on a W10
32-bit VM using the key from its 64-bit host :-)
--
Roy Brown 'Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be
Kelmscott Ltd useful, or believe to be beautiful' William Morris
  #9  
Old September 7th 18, 12:25 PM posted to demon.ip.support.turnpike,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Posts: 2,679
Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

In message , Roy Brown
writes:
In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writing at 00:47:12 in his/her local time
opines:-
In message , John Hall
writes:
In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writes
Looking to the future (i. e. if this machine dies before I do), I
suspect 32-bit W7 machines will be hard to find, so I might have to
get a 64 and do as you do.

You could always buy a machine without an OS pre-installed, and buy a
Win 7 32-bit CD and install it from scratch yourself, which is what I


Once, yes. Now, I'm just getting too old for that level of messing
about - there's also the matter of drivers.

did with this machine. I imagine that Win 7 32-bit CDs will be
buyable for some years yet. (Or if not, you could buy one now to be
ready.) The one major downside is that I believe that even security
updates for Win 7 are going to be discontinued by Microsoft in 2020.


That last wouldn't worry me: I was running XP until earlier this year.


Why don't you just note the key of the W7 32-bit machine you have now
and use that on any future 32-bit VM?

If your current machine dies, you are perfectly well entitled to move
it to a new machine.


I was under the impression that that only applies to retail and maybe
one or two other classes of licence: in particular, not to OEM ones
(where the Windows came pre-installed), and possibly not to refurbisher
ones.

Though any new machine you get is likely to be W10; this TP is running
perfectly well (apart from the tiny icons you have anyway) on a W10
32-bit VM using the key from its 64-bit host :-)


New machine, yes; I've not seen a new machine without 10 for some years
now. But I'd almost certainly get a second-hand (probably refurbished
rather than private sale). Although I _am_ getting tired of the effort
of staying with the old (W7 is now "old"), I still think accepting W10
is too much like drinking the Kool-aid, so far. (I may be more accepting
by the time this machine dies - hopefully not for some time yet.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'd rather trust the guys in the lab coats who aren't demanding that I get up
early on Sundays to apologize for being human.
-- Captain Splendid (quoted by "The Real Bev" in mozilla.general, 2014-11-16)
  #10  
Old September 7th 18, 12:30 PM posted to demon.ip.support.turnpike,alt.windows7.general
NY
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Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

"Roy Brown" wrote in message
...
Why don't you just note the key of the W7 32-bit machine you have now and
use that on any future 32-bit VM?

If your current machine dies, you are perfectly well entitled to move it
to a new machine.


I thought that the licence for a *pre-installed* copy of Windows was only
valid for that machine, and that you couldn't reinstall Windows on new
hardware using the existing licence key - unlike the case where you buy a
shrink-wrapped CD and licence from PC World or wherever - even if you
physically wipe/destroy the old machine to prevent simultaneously using the
same copy of Windows (the same key) on more than one computer.

  #11  
Old September 8th 18, 03:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bill in Co
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Default My move to Windows 7 64 bit

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Roy Brown
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In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
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In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
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Looking to the future (i. e. if this machine dies before I do), I
suspect 32-bit W7 machines will be hard to find, so I might have to
get a 64 and do as you do.

You could always buy a machine without an OS pre-installed, and buy a
Win 7 32-bit CD and install it from scratch yourself, which is what I

Once, yes. Now, I'm just getting too old for that level of messing
about - there's also the matter of drivers.

did with this machine. I imagine that Win 7 32-bit CDs will be
buyable for some years yet. (Or if not, you could buy one now to be
ready.) The one major downside is that I believe that even security
updates for Win 7 are going to be discontinued by Microsoft in 2020.

That last wouldn't worry me: I was running XP until earlier this year.


Why don't you just note the key of the W7 32-bit machine you have now
and use that on any future 32-bit VM?

If your current machine dies, you are perfectly well entitled to move
it to a new machine.


I was under the impression that that only applies to retail and maybe
one or two other classes of licence: in particular, not to OEM ones
(where the Windows came pre-installed), and possibly not to refurbisher
ones.

Though any new machine you get is likely to be W10; this TP is running
perfectly well (apart from the tiny icons you have anyway) on a W10
32-bit VM using the key from its 64-bit host :-)


New machine, yes; I've not seen a new machine without 10 for some years
now. But I'd almost certainly get a second-hand (probably refurbished
rather than private sale). Although I _am_ getting tired of the effort
of staying with the old (W7 is now "old"), I still think accepting W10
is too much like drinking the Kool-aid, so far. (I may be more accepting
by the time this machine dies - hopefully not for some time yet.)
--


You could just buy a second hand one with Win 7 32 bit, but the problem I
have found is in the listings (like on eBay or Amazon) in that they don't
always tell you whether it is the 32 bit or 64 bit, at least as I recall.

The other comment I had was you said you're "getting tired of the effort of
staying with Windows 7". ?? I didn't understand that. Heck, I'm still
using XP too, and don't see any effort in staying with it, except when the
day comes that there aren't any browsers that will work on it anymore (or if
you need to use newer software for work)


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Old September 8th 18, 12:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Bill in Co
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Roy Brown
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[]
Though any new machine you get is likely to be W10; this TP is running
perfectly well (apart from the tiny icons you have anyway) on a W10
32-bit VM using the key from its 64-bit host :-)


New machine, yes; I've not seen a new machine without 10 for some years
now. But I'd almost certainly get a second-hand (probably refurbished
rather than private sale). Although I _am_ getting tired of the effort
of staying with the old (W7 is now "old"), I still think accepting W10
is too much like drinking the Kool-aid, so far. (I may be more accepting
by the time this machine dies - hopefully not for some time yet.)
--


You could just buy a second hand one with Win 7 32 bit, but the problem I


If you can find one. I think they're quite rare.

have found is in the listings (like on eBay or Amazon) in that they don't
always tell you whether it is the 32 bit or 64 bit, at least as I recall.


Rarely; I think you'd have to ask.

The other comment I had was you said you're "getting tired of the effort of
staying with Windows 7". ?? I didn't understand that. Heck, I'm still
using XP too, and don't see any effort in staying with it, except when the
day comes that there aren't any browsers that will work on it anymore (or if
you need to use newer software for work)

I would still be on XP too if my XP machine hadn't failed. It _was_
getting harder to stay with it, especially (possibly only?) for
websites, with their inexorable development into medium-sized pieces of
software rather than just text, pictures, and video. But having been
forced into 7, I soon got used to it (though after trying for some while
to accept its ways I did give in and have loaded Classic Shell), I do
see that even 7 is going the way of XP: currently still well-supported
by users (here being an excellent example), but clearly eschewed by
Microsoft and most of the larger software houses. (Probably to be
followed by hardware makers too, sooner than was the case with XP.)

(As for needing it for work, I'm currently broken [i. e. not working].)
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Old September 8th 18, 06:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Roy Brown
writes:

[]
Though any new machine you get is likely to be W10; this TP is running
perfectly well (apart from the tiny icons you have anyway) on a W10
32-bit VM using the key from its 64-bit host :-)

New machine, yes; I've not seen a new machine without 10 for some years
now. But I'd almost certainly get a second-hand (probably refurbished
rather than private sale). Although I _am_ getting tired of the effort
of staying with the old (W7 is now "old"), I still think accepting W10
is too much like drinking the Kool-aid, so far. (I may be more accepting
by the time this machine dies - hopefully not for some time yet.)
--


You could just buy a second hand one with Win 7 32 bit, but the problem I


If you can find one. I think they're quite rare.

have found is in the listings (like on eBay or Amazon) in that they don't
always tell you whether it is the 32 bit or 64 bit, at least as I recall.


Rarely; I think you'd have to ask.

The other comment I had was you said you're "getting tired of the effort
of staying with Windows 7". ?? I didn't understand that. Heck,
I'm still using XP too, and don't see any effort in staying with it,
except when the day comes that there aren't any browsers that will work
on it anymore (or if you need to use newer software for work)

I would still be on XP too if my XP machine hadn't failed. It _was_
getting harder to stay with it, especially (possibly only?) for
websites, with their inexorable development into medium-sized pieces of
software rather than just text, pictures, and video. But having been
forced into 7, I soon got used to it (though after trying for some while
to accept its ways I did give in and have loaded Classic Shell), I do
see that even 7 is going the way of XP: currently still well-supported
by users (here being an excellent example), but clearly eschewed by
Microsoft and most of the larger software houses. (Probably to be
followed by hardware makers too, sooner than was the case with XP.)

(As for needing it for work, I'm currently broken [i. e. not working].)


So far I have been able to get away with using Wiindows XP on the websites,
but that's only by using the latest versions of FF and Chrome that will work
on XP. You may not have been using the latest versions if you were running
into problems, although I suspect there may be a few web sites that won't
work right even with those (FF 52 and Chrome 49). But yes, I'm sure the
day will ultimately come. And maybe somebody here can testify that that day
has already come for them on some websites, especially if you need the
latest web video capabilities (the h265 web video stuff being one prime
example)

As for Win 7 32 bit, I got a laptop with it on eBay, but before I purchased
it, I asked the seller on eBay to make sure. Actually, as it turns out, he
said he would freshly install the 32 bit version on it if I would buy it,
which I did. So yeah, it may be a bit tricky getting it, but where there is
a will, there may be a way. :-) And occasionally, I think some do list if
it is theh 32 bit or 64 bit version. I just wanted the 32 bit version so
that I could run some older programs if I wanted without all the hassle and
overhead of using a VM.

The other problem I've had in buying some inexpensive older computers (or
laptops) on either eBay or Amazon is that you can never be sure what you're
getting, but fortunately they both have some refund guarantees in most
cases, and indeed, I have had to use them.

I'm still trying to get used to using the Win 7 laptop. :-) And like you,
I've installed Classic Shell. But I'm still learning how to find things on
it, so to speak. That "search box" above the Start button has come in
handy. Didn't ever need to do that in XP. :-) I think we've already
discussed the confusing "Control Panel" on Windows 7.

And I'm still looking for a *lightweight* Anti-Virus program, as I'm not
sure Windows Defender is enough, but then again, I haven't run into problems
so far. I'm using an older version of Avira precisely because it is
lightweight, unlike the newer versions. I think I tried MSE and found it a
bit sluggish, but I may be misrembering. By sluggish, I mean there is a
very noticeable delay in a) either booting up, or b) running (and starting
up) some programs like a web browser.


 




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