MS shoving Windows 10 UP YOUR UPDATES!

Per Ed Mullen:
Separate partion does no good if the drive dies.

Agreed - that's where daily backups to a rotating series of six external
drives comes in.... with one stored in my car, two in my garden shed,
and one in the neighbor's garden shed.

But, going back to the System/Data thing.... I *still* periodically
forget and leave something on the desktop. The workaround for that is
to take a temporary CYA image just before re-imaging - using a tool that
lets me browse the images and recover files if needed. Adds about 20
minutes to an already-30 minute process, but it's a "Start it and walk
away and do something else" kind of thing.
--
Pete Cresswell

| For users of windows 10 home edition you have no choice its not
| disabablable.
| For users of windows 10 professional you can disable windows updates.
| And run it manually or not at all.
|

That's not true. There's a lot of misinformation
going around about this. With the *consumer*
licensing you cannot stop automatic updates.
Consumer licensing is what's referred to in the
popularly available privacy policy, which
Microsoft changed in July to basically say "all
your data are belong to us".

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/priva...t/default.aspx

The current EULA, in turn, claims that by using Windows
you accept their privacy policy...whatever it happens to
be this week. (It's already changed at least once since
the change that heralded the release of Win1o to retail.)

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Usete...10_English.htm

Microsoft defines consumer licensing as individual
copies, as opposed to volume licensing, which is
a large number of licenses sold via contract to a
corporate customer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions

Windows "Professional" has very little meaning.
They add or remove various features and call it
home, pro, etc. That's just marketing.

So, long story short: You have no options.
Windows will update itself. Additionally, Microsoft
has changed their update protocol. They no longer
announce what's in an update. So even corporate
customers are in a difficult position: They can block
updates, but they can't easily figure out exactly what
a given update does.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/299...e-updates.html


(Note that this link is explaining the problems
from the point of view of a Microsoft apologist.)

On 10/22/15 01:44, Mike S so wittily quipped:
On 10/21/2015 11:53 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 10/21/15 23:39, Mike S so wittily quipped:
On 10/21/2015 11:00 PM, Andy wrote:
For users of windows 10 home edition you have no choice its not
disabablable.
For users of windows 10 professional you can disable windows updates.
And run it manually or not at all.

Is this what you're referring to?

http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-...ading-updates/


the problem isn't WINDOWS 10 updates - it's WINDOWS 7 UPDATES
"automatically enabling" an OPTIONAL update that INSTALLS WINDOWS 10 on
top of your PERFECTLY GOOD [and SUPERIOR] Windows 7 installation!

It's like Microsoft is saying "GODDAMMIT, you WANT this, so I'm SHOVING
IT UP YOUR ASS, GODDAMMIT!" You know, like a RAPIST.

and we're supposed to SMILE, ENJOY IT, and THANK THEM afterwards.

OK... um, what technique were you referring to then, for preventing
updates on w10 I mean, lol.



'not installing W10' would be a good start

| "Paranoia strikes deep
| Into your life it will creep
| It starts when you're always afraid
| Step out of line, the men come and take you away"
|
| Everbody just calm down.
|

Finally, light at the end of the tunnel. The voice
of reason. Perhaps you could post the links to
download the non-spyware version of Win10 that
never calls home and doesn't auto-update, like my
older Windows computers?

On 10/22/15 02:44, Anonymous so wittily quipped:
In article
Bubba Bub@ba wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2015, Big Bad Bob wrote:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10...hy_windows_10/

"In the latest raft of MS updates, the "optional" Windows 10 option on
this Windows 7 PC was pre-ticked. Can that be right? If I hadn't noticed
it would have caused havoc here."

In THIS example, the author went to 'windows udpate' to check for
updates, found that under *OPTIONAL* (which you have to open up to
view), an update for "Upgrade to Windows 10 Home" had be PRE-CHECKED FOR
HIM, such that if he had NOT noticed, he'd be DOWNLOADING THE ****ING
*DOWN*GRADE to 10, and INSTALLING IT, interrupting his day and wasting
bandwidth, among other things.


But Microsoft, when FACED WITH THIS **** RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR
GODDAMNED FACES where they COULD NOT IGNORE IT, issued THIS statement...
finally... after being confronted MULTIPLE times:

"In the recent Windows update, this option was checked as default; this
was a mistake and we are removing Windows 10 from Windows Update for
users that have not reserved a copy of Windows 10."

"a mistake"


Yeah, right.


MICROSOFT, YOU ASSHATS JUST DO NOT GET IT THAT WE CUSTOMERS DO *NOT*
WANT YOUR ****ED-UP BULL**** VERSION WITH ITS ADWARE AND SPYWARE AND
*FUGLY* 2D ABOMINATION "the METRO" INTERFACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# # ####### ### ### ###
## # # # ### ### ###
# # # # # ### ### ###
# # # # # # # #
# # # # #
# ## # # ### ### ###
# # ####### ### ### ###

Thanks for the heads-up, Bob. After all, who checks under
"optional updates" unless they have a reason to? M$ seems
to be getting mighty desperate these days. I haven't
downloaded any updates from M$ on my Win 7 x64 desktop ever
since reading the news of M$'s forced-aggression tactics, and
by the looks of things I don't plan to any time in the future.
But of course, M$ could end up forcing the "10" update anyway.
The moment I see that happening, I'm wiping my hard disc and
moving to whatever is the most popular version Linux, "Mint?"

This seems very important for Win 7 users, so x-posted to:
alt.hacker,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware, alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server

So run both. Get the free upgrade and snag the Windows 10 ISOs
from MS.

Run a dual boot with Windows 7 and Windows 10. Works great.
Hide the Windows 10 update on the 7 build and just keep rolling
along.


why have 10 installed in the first place, unless you are a developer
that needs to make sure your **** will run without being molested by it?

Windows 10 is the bubonic plague of operating systems.

It has *FUGLY* 2D-looking EVERYTHING, as bad as or WORSE than 8.x . And
don't even get me *STARTED* on "the METRO" or that horrible 'Settings'
thing. [and they want to ABANDON the control panel, too!]

It has a "start thing" instead of a "Start menu" with built-in
ADVERTISING [restored in a newer 'insider' build, the "recommendations"
area]. Spying on what you do, sending the data "home to the
mothership", which then RECOMMENDS "the STORE" products for you? Who
wants *THAT*???!!

It's phone-oriented for the desktop, but 'windows phone' doesn't sell at
ALL [compared to anything *ELSE*], you can't do word processing on a
phone, you can't do spreadsheets on a phone, you can't do accounting on
a phone, you can't do CAD design or even serious RESEARCH on a phone,
and yet MS has made W10 a *PHONE* *OS* for "the desktop" which they've
essentially *ABANDONED* as if it's meant to go away or disappear or
something.

yeah I've got a ginormous "Windows 10 ****ing SUCKS and STINKS on ICE"
list. This is just a sample.

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015, "Mayayana" wrote:

| "Paranoia strikes deep
| Into your life it will creep
| It starts when you're always afraid
| Step out of line, the men come and take you away"
|
| Everbody just calm down.
|

Finally, light at the end of the tunnel. The voice
of reason. Perhaps you could post the links to
download the non-spyware version of Win10 that
never calls home and doesn't auto-update, like my
older Windows computers?

And with no keylogger or surrender of intellectual property
rights, but an ironclad guarantee that M$ isn't simply one
of the major corporate coconspirators working hand in glove
with the international Big Brother surveillance apparatus.
"There's nothing to see here... move along... keep moving."

--
Bub

In article
Big Bad Bob wrote:

On 10/22/15 02:44, Anonymous so wittily quipped:
In article
Bubba Bub@ba wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2015, Big Bad Bob wrote:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10...hy_windows_10/

"In the latest raft of MS updates, the "optional" Windows 10 option on
this Windows 7 PC was pre-ticked. Can that be right? If I hadn't noticed
it would have caused havoc here."

In THIS example, the author went to 'windows udpate' to check for
updates, found that under *OPTIONAL* (which you have to open up to
view), an update for "Upgrade to Windows 10 Home" had be PRE-CHECKED FOR
HIM, such that if he had NOT noticed, he'd be DOWNLOADING THE ****ING
*DOWN*GRADE to 10, and INSTALLING IT, interrupting his day and wasting
bandwidth, among other things.


But Microsoft, when FACED WITH THIS **** RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR
GODDAMNED FACES where they COULD NOT IGNORE IT, issued THIS statement...
finally... after being confronted MULTIPLE times:

"In the recent Windows update, this option was checked as default; this
was a mistake and we are removing Windows 10 from Windows Update for
users that have not reserved a copy of Windows 10."

"a mistake"


Yeah, right.


MICROSOFT, YOU ASSHATS JUST DO NOT GET IT THAT WE CUSTOMERS DO *NOT*
WANT YOUR ****ED-UP BULL**** VERSION WITH ITS ADWARE AND SPYWARE AND
*FUGLY* 2D ABOMINATION "the METRO" INTERFACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# # ####### ### ### ###
## # # # ### ### ###
# # # # # ### ### ###
# # # # # # # #
# # # # #
# ## # # ### ### ###
# # ####### ### ### ###

Thanks for the heads-up, Bob. After all, who checks under
"optional updates" unless they have a reason to? M$ seems
to be getting mighty desperate these days. I haven't
downloaded any updates from M$ on my Win 7 x64 desktop ever
since reading the news of M$'s forced-aggression tactics, and
by the looks of things I don't plan to any time in the future.
But of course, M$ could end up forcing the "10" update anyway.
The moment I see that happening, I'm wiping my hard disc and
moving to whatever is the most popular version Linux, "Mint?"

This seems very important for Win 7 users, so x-posted to:
alt.hacker,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware, alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server

So run both. Get the free upgrade and snag the Windows 10 ISOs
from MS.

Run a dual boot with Windows 7 and Windows 10. Works great.
Hide the Windows 10 update on the 7 build and just keep rolling
along.


why have 10 installed in the first place, unless you are a developer
that needs to make sure your **** will run without being molested by it?

Windows 10 is the bubonic plague of operating systems.

It runs like a striped-assed ape.

It has *FUGLY* 2D-looking EVERYTHING, as bad as or WORSE than 8.x . And
don't even get me *STARTED* on "the METRO" or that horrible 'Settings'
thing. [and they want to ABANDON the control panel, too!]

I don't care what the OS looks like as long as it is reliable.

It has a "start thing" instead of a "Start menu" with built-in
ADVERTISING [restored in a newer 'insider' build, the "recommendations"
area]. Spying on what you do, sending the data "home to the
mothership", which then RECOMMENDS "the STORE" products for you? Who
wants *THAT*???!!

If you aren't smart enough to turn off the "spying", you aren't
smart enough to be using a computer in the first place.

It's phone-oriented for the desktop, but 'windows phone' doesn't sell at
ALL [compared to anything *ELSE*], you can't do word processing on a
phone, you can't do spreadsheets on a phone, you can't do accounting on
a phone, you can't do CAD design or even serious RESEARCH on a phone,
and yet MS has made W10 a *PHONE* *OS* for "the desktop" which they've
essentially *ABANDONED* as if it's meant to go away or disappear or
something.

When you are competing with a market of idiots, and that is what
most iPhone users are, you make your product appealing to them.
There are a lot of thing Apple users hate about iPhones, but
they won't switch to an android. They liked the early Windows
phone that Balmer screwed up.

yeah I've got a ginormous "Windows 10 ****ing SUCKS and STINKS on ICE"
list. This is just a sample.

Maybe you should learn how to use and abuse it first.

Windows 10 kicks ass.

In message ci.org,
Anonymous writes:
[]
Windows 10 kicks ass.

Not mine it doesn't (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I have a perfect cure for a sore throat. Cut it." - Alfred Hitchcock

In message , Ed Mullen
writes:
[]
Separate partion does no good if the drive dies.

No, but IMO it's still a good idea to keep OS+software on a separate
partition from data. Both should be backed up, but data can be copied by
a somewhat simpler process, and it also means C: is smaller, which means
imaging it takes a lot less time which is an incentive to do it more
often.

- Always have on hand an image of my system when it was known
(or, at least hoped...) to be good.

Yes, but on a separate physical drive.

Agreed. Imaging to the same drive is not a good idea - at least, not as
the only backup. It could protect you against yourself (or malware)
messing up the OS beyond the point where a system restore will rescue
you, but (for 7 and before anyway) I'd say that, if you keep C: to just
OS+software, the potential saving in time in being able to restore from
an image on D: isn't worth the risk.

- Keep a log of any changes I make to the system

- Re-image if/when anything looks goofey.


Using this strategy, I survived several years of having a teenager
pounding on my machine for a couple of hours per day.


Another reason I never had kids.

(-:

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I have a perfect cure for a sore throat. Cut it." - Alfred Hitchcock

In article
"Mayayana" wrote:

| For users of windows 10 home edition you have no choice its not
| disabablable.
| For users of windows 10 professional you can disable windows updates.
| And run it manually or not at all.
|

That's not true. There's a lot of misinformation
going around about this. With the *consumer*
licensing you cannot stop automatic updates.

Wanna bet?

A trivial little thing like "licensing" never stopped anybody -
including Microsoft.

On 10/22/15 3:59 PM, Anonymous wrote:
In article
Big Bad Bob wrote:

On 10/22/15 02:44, Anonymous so wittily quipped:
In article
Bubba Bub@ba wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2015, Big Bad Bob wrote:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10...hy_windows_10/

"In the latest raft of MS updates, the "optional" Windows 10 option on
this Windows 7 PC was pre-ticked. Can that be right? If I hadn't noticed
it would have caused havoc here."

In THIS example, the author went to 'windows udpate' to check for
updates, found that under *OPTIONAL* (which you have to open up to
view), an update for "Upgrade to Windows 10 Home" had be PRE-CHECKED FOR
HIM, such that if he had NOT noticed, he'd be DOWNLOADING THE ****ING
*DOWN*GRADE to 10, and INSTALLING IT, interrupting his day and wasting
bandwidth, among other things.


But Microsoft, when FACED WITH THIS **** RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR
GODDAMNED FACES where they COULD NOT IGNORE IT, issued THIS statement...
finally... after being confronted MULTIPLE times:

"In the recent Windows update, this option was checked as default; this
was a mistake and we are removing Windows 10 from Windows Update for
users that have not reserved a copy of Windows 10."

"a mistake"


Yeah, right.


MICROSOFT, YOU ASSHATS JUST DO NOT GET IT THAT WE CUSTOMERS DO *NOT*
WANT YOUR ****ED-UP BULL**** VERSION WITH ITS ADWARE AND SPYWARE AND
*FUGLY* 2D ABOMINATION "the METRO" INTERFACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# # ####### ### ### ###
## # # # ### ### ###
# # # # # ### ### ###
# # # # # # # #
# # # # #
# ## # # ### ### ###
# # ####### ### ### ###

Thanks for the heads-up, Bob. After all, who checks under
"optional updates" unless they have a reason to? M$ seems
to be getting mighty desperate these days. I haven't
downloaded any updates from M$ on my Win 7 x64 desktop ever
since reading the news of M$'s forced-aggression tactics, and
by the looks of things I don't plan to any time in the future.
But of course, M$ could end up forcing the "10" update anyway.
The moment I see that happening, I'm wiping my hard disc and
moving to whatever is the most popular version Linux, "Mint?"

This seems very important for Win 7 users, so x-posted to:
alt.hacker,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware, alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server

So run both. Get the free upgrade and snag the Windows 10 ISOs
from MS.

Run a dual boot with Windows 7 and Windows 10. Works great.
Hide the Windows 10 update on the 7 build and just keep rolling
along.


why have 10 installed in the first place, unless you are a developer
that needs to make sure your **** will run without being molested by it?

Windows 10 is the bubonic plague of operating systems.

It runs like a striped-assed ape.

It has *FUGLY* 2D-looking EVERYTHING, as bad as or WORSE than 8.x . And
don't even get me *STARTED* on "the METRO" or that horrible 'Settings'
thing. [and they want to ABANDON the control panel, too!]

I don't care what the OS looks like as long as it is reliable.

It has a "start thing" instead of a "Start menu" with built-in
ADVERTISING [restored in a newer 'insider' build, the "recommendations"
area]. Spying on what you do, sending the data "home to the
mothership", which then RECOMMENDS "the STORE" products for you? Who
wants *THAT*???!!

If you aren't smart enough to turn off the "spying", you aren't
smart enough to be using a computer in the first place.

Being smart is not the problem. The problem here is there are not
enough places where the information is *easily* found, and not enough
users who care.

It's phone-oriented for the desktop, but 'windows phone' doesn't sell at
ALL [compared to anything *ELSE*], you can't do word processing on a
phone, you can't do spreadsheets on a phone, you can't do accounting on
a phone, you can't do CAD design or even serious RESEARCH on a phone,
and yet MS has made W10 a *PHONE* *OS* for "the desktop" which they've
essentially *ABANDONED* as if it's meant to go away or disappear or
something.

When you are competing with a market of idiots, and that is what
most iPhone users are, you make your product appealing to them.
There are a lot of thing Apple users hate about iPhones, but
they won't switch to an android. They liked the early Windows
phone that Balmer screwed up.

yeah I've got a ginormous "Windows 10 ****ing SUCKS and STINKS on ICE"
list. This is just a sample.

Maybe you should learn how to use and abuse it first.

Windows 10 kicks ass.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

| If you aren't smart enough to turn off the "spying", you aren't
| smart enough to be using a computer in the first place.
|
| Being smart is not the problem. The problem here is there are not
| enough places where the information is *easily* found, and not enough
| users who care.
|

Well said. I've often found that situation very odd.
I'm not surprised that most people don't care. It's
difficult for people to understand or even know if
they don't have a natural aptitude and interest. Any
category of information is similar. There are just too
many things to know.

On the other hand, the difficulty in getting information
is really rather bizarre. It's like Ford selling 500 million of
a particular pickup model, with 4,999,127 of the owners
unable to adjust the seat position, because the only way
to accomplish it is to enter an incantation into a keypad,
while pushing a lever with one hand and a hidden button
with the other.... and Ford won't tell you that. It can
only be discovered by people who know to visit
Fordtweakmaster.com.

On 10/23/2015 11:53 AM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:

I'd bet that there are enough back doors for MS to do anything
they please with your system. It's just whether the backlash
from that costs less than the loss of revenue from the spyware.

You'd lose your money, but go ahead and bet anyway.

So, you're saying that MS doesn't have a way to get into my machine?
Malware can do it, but MS can't?