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  #16  
Old September 18th 18, 06:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , pyotr
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"Mayayana" on Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:53:00
-0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

[]
I don't like signatures, either, but so what?
You know what's worse? People who post just
to whine about stuff they don't like.


I hate it when people do that.

You are Tom Lehrer and I claim my $5 ... (-:

tschus
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Old September 18th 18, 06:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , VanguardLH
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[bit snipped]
There has been a long-time argument between old-timers in Usenet with
new[er] posters (mostly accustomed to top-posting as that is the default
in e-mail replies) regarding top versus bottom posting. My opinion is


The bigger problem is lack of snipping, and also all the reply/followup
being in one place, either at the beginning or the end. I interpost -
that is, I insert my responses between parts of what I'm responding to
(I post them _after_ the point I'm responding to - I just find that more
natural, and otherwise it's like the "most irritating thing on usenet" Q
and A - or rather A and Q - joke). But I also try to snip a lot.

that you massage your quoted content to match your posting style. If
not then you don't have a posting style and instead will post a mess.
If you top-post then you arrange all quoted content in the same order.
That means having to rearrange all the cited posts if the parent post
had them in bottom-posted order.


Which is _very_ tedious, and also error-prone.

If you bottom-post then you make sure
all the cited posts are also in bottom-posted order. You putting your
new content in a reply at the top or bottom without regard to the same
order in the quoted content means you are lazy and messy. Alas, most
posters fall into the first category: they're lazy, use whatever the
client generates, don't review their posts before submission, and don't
trim the quoted content.

Regardless of top- or bottom-posting, signatures ALWAYS go at the *end*
of a reply. That chap is top-posting and his client (probably Outlook
Express) is adding the signature right after his added content in his
reply. That was/is a problem with Outlook Express and why it is the
bane of Usenet and despised by many old-timers for ****ing up the
posting order (top vs bottom) and putting the sig in the wrong place.
So came about OE-QuoteFix


And Outlook-Quotefix

(which got abandoned and got crippled by
changes in content rendering by OE).


The Outlook one worked up to, IIRR, the 2003 version. Or the one before.

An update in Windows XP's service
pack 3 added registry entries where the user could alter the behavior of
OE: add signature after the newly added content (old default) or at the
end of the entire post (the de facto standard), along with another
setting to determine the default position of the insert cursor when
composing a new message (at the 'end' to effect bottom-posting instead
of the prior default of at the top as used with e-mail).


I have always contended that placing the cursor at the top wasn't
_necessarily_ evil: if you were going to respond to points in order, and
do some snipping, then that's where you'd want it. But so few people
were _taught_ how to do that, they just type all their reply where the
cursor is - it's not _all_ laziness, some of it is just not knowing any
better.

However,
because many (perhaps most) posters are lazy, they never read the
changes made by SP3 for WinXP to know there registry settings became
available to change posting order and sig placement. After all, they're
lazy, so their post is whatever their client generates and the poster
doesn't bother editing anything other than their new content which they
don't review before clicking the Send button.


(-:

You mean, like you're doing (-:? [Sorry, couldn't resist ...]


Sometimes I jab with the retort, "Stop whining about my whining."


Good one.
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Old September 18th 18, 07:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:53:45 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

If you mean the machine, look for one in yard (garage) sales. Good luck.


"good luck" ? They're still sold as new components, at least from this
shop: https://www.tones.be/nl/category/12/onderdelen

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Old September 18th 18, 07:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:08:42 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:



Stop whining about my whining.



VanguardLH, you need to put the cork in the bottle and pull the stick
out of your ass.
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Old September 19th 18, 01:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-09-18 14:05, s|b wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:53:45 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

If you mean the machine, look for one in yard (garage) sales. Good luck.


"good luck" ? They're still sold as new components, at least from this
shop: https://www.tones.be/nl/category/12/onderdelen



FTR, I've used Imgburn, and Deepburner free version, seen many others
listed, AFAIK, they're all pretty much of a muchness.


Imgburn does contextual and content analysis.

It knows or thinks it knows what you're trying
to do, and will alert you if the materials you
present, aren't suited to the task.

For example, when I bought a five pack of dual layer
DVDs, and tried to put a movie on there, it analyzed
the ISO I fed it, and said "your layer break is
in the wrong place". I stopped the burn and went
back to the authoring tool. After some to and fro,
finally Imgburn gave the ISO a passing grade, and
then I could burn my +R media. Since I only had
a five-pack, and this was a test, I didn't have
discs to waste, and I appreciate it when a tool
like Imgburn, looks out for me.

There are other burner programs, which don't
even burn anything (they're that incompetent),
and that's the other end of the spectrum.
The "nice" thing in that case, is you won't
be wasting any media there either. Because
nothing works.

With Nero, if you attempt to burn a CD image
(600MB) onto a DVD, it stops. Imgburn handles
ISOs without a fuss in that situation. If there's
a way to do it, Imgburn will find it.

When Microsoft burns discs for you, it will
stop and throw an error, and after you look
up the code, you'll realize "oh, I need to
erase this disc first ???". Imgburn manages
to get that detail right, even if it uses
"full erase" when you were hoping it would
use "quick erase".

And a first time user tip - turn down the
audio volume on your computer, before running
Imgburn. The program developer has a sense of
humor, and it comes out of your speakers on
occasion. Turning down the volume is to avoid
scaring you right out of your chair. His sound
effects are a little too loud.

Paul
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Old September 19th 18, 01:50 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Old September 19th 18, 01:58 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:16:27 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
[bit snipped]
There has been a long-time argument between old-timers in Usenet with
new[er] posters (mostly accustomed to top-posting as that is the default
in e-mail replies) regarding top versus bottom posting.


There is a booklet called "THE CORE RULES OF NETIQUETTE" which most
ISPs used to suggest that new users read.

Interested people can do a search for "netiquette rules".
  #23  
Old September 19th 18, 02:13 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 09/18/2018 12:16 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]

I have always contended that placing the cursor at the top wasn't
_necessarily_ evil: if you were going to respond to points in order, and
do some snipping, then that's where you'd want it. But so few people
were _taught_ how to do that, they just type all their reply where the
cursor is - it's not _all_ laziness, some of it is just not knowing any
better.


One of the first things I learned when using any GUI program is to
select where the text is to go (click or use tab key). This makes
default positions irrelevant.

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  #24  
Old September 19th 18, 07:53 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

And Outlook-Quotefix


I left that out deliberately. It's a bad kludge. As I recall, you had
to install AutoHotkey because the "fix" relies on a hotkey triggering a
macro defined in AutoHotkey. Once the user opens a new write window to
compose a new message (even for a reply), the user must remember to hit
the AutoHotkey before clicking on the Send button. Install software,
remember to run macro before Send. Kludge setup. I'm surprised someone
hasn't come up with a VBA macro to install into Outlook as an integral
and automatic fix.

Well, I suppose such a fix really isn't needed in Outlook because
Outlook doesn't do newsgroups (unless you install Newshound or some
other add-on into Outlook - which results in a poor NNTP client).
Outlook was designed to do e-mail, not Usenet. In e-mail, top-posting
is the de facto norm in replies.
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Old September 19th 18, 07:54 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Richard Nelson wrote:

On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:08:42 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:


Stop whining about my whining.


VanguardLH, you need to put the cork in the bottle and pull the stick
out of your ass.


Ah, a child has spoken and thinks anyone shall heed.
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Old September 19th 18, 08:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

You are Tom Lehrer and I claim my $5 ... (-:


Wow, now that brings back ancient memories: Tom Lehrer. He did some
comical songs, didn't he? I had to go look him up. Ah, now I remember:
"Be Prepared." I remember my early piano training years as a kid and
having fun with his song book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkrheaWuShU
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jARdWfJulo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIKGV2cTgqA

But I don't remember what of his had to do with "I claim my $5".
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Old September 19th 18, 05:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:02:14 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"Farmer" wrote

| I would like a free DVD burner any suggestions.
|
| Win 7 Pro
|

ImgBurn.


+1. (There are others which do the job fine too, but ImgBurn is clean,
small, and there are lots here who know about it - and, I haven't heard
of any problems with it other than the below.)
Received wisdom is to get a version prior to some (I can't remember
which, I have 2.5.8.0), and to turn ofd auto-update [and possibly to run
the install with your connection disconnected], since versions after
that one come with crudware and offer nothing new. I don't know if they
run on 10 though; 2.5.8.0 certainly runs on this 7.


2.5.8.0 is the latest.
Most places have the adware-free version now. Unpack it with
innounp or InnoExtractor and check if there's fusion or opencandy
malware.
And make it portable. Place an empty ImgBurn.ini in the folder
you unpack it to. It will write all settings there.
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Old September 19th 18, 11:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , VanguardLH
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

And Outlook-Quotefix


I left that out deliberately. It's a bad kludge. As I recall, you had
to install AutoHotkey because the "fix" relies on a hotkey triggering a
macro defined in AutoHotkey. Once the user opens a new write window to
compose a new message (even for a reply), the user must remember to hit
the AutoHotkey before clicking on the Send button. Install software,
remember to run macro before Send. Kludge setup. I'm surprised someone
hasn't come up with a VBA macro to install into Outlook as an integral
and automatic fix.


I'm pretty sure I'd have remembered if I had to do anything like that. I
installed it on the work machine, since that's where I had to use
Outlook, and they were fussy about letting anything extra work - I was
surprised to get O-Q to. But you might be right - it's so long since
work was using a version (of Outlook) where O-Q would work, I might have
forgotten.

Well, I suppose such a fix really isn't needed in Outlook because
Outlook doesn't do newsgroups (unless you install Newshound or some
other add-on into Outlook - which results in a poor NNTP client).


It used, before a certain version, to _appear_ to do news: I forget the
details, but it actually called the OE that it knew would be there. I
can't remember for sure, but I _think_ it gave a superficial impression
of integrating the newsgroups into its structure. Our IT department
didn't support OE, just O, so we got used to not mentioning OE if we had
a problem; it became moot anyway as they discontinued news service.

Outlook was designed to do e-mail, not Usenet. In e-mail, top-posting
is the de facto norm in replies.


De facto is right, unfortunately.
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Old September 19th 18, 11:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , VanguardLH
writes:
Richard Nelson wrote:

On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:08:42 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:


Stop whining about my whining.


VanguardLH, you need to put the cork in the bottle and pull the stick
out of your ass.


Ah, a child has spoken and thinks anyone shall heed.


You did (-:
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Old September 19th 18, 11:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

You know what's worse? People who post just
to whine about stuff they don't like.


I hate it when people do that.

You are Tom Lehrer and I claim my $5 ... (-:


Wow, now that brings back ancient memories: Tom Lehrer. He did some
comical songs, didn't he? I had to go look him up. Ah, now I remember:

[]
But I don't remember what of his had to do with "I claim my $5".


From his spoken introduction to (I think) "National Brotherhood Week":

"I know there _are_ people in this world who _do not like_ their fellow
man.

(Pause)

I _hate_ people like that."

The "ICM5P" may have been a British only thing: In, I think it might
have been, the 1930s, one of the national newspapers had a member of
staff who visited, incognito, various tourist spots; anyone who
recognised him was supposed to say "You are Lobby Ludd and I claim my
five pounds" (quite an appreciable sum in those days). It became a meme,
such that if anyone did something characteristic of someone else, the
response "you are xxx and I claim my five yyy" was common - still is in
a few limited circles. Let me just check ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobby_Lud; OK, I got some of the details
wrong. Does appear to have been mostly a British (English, even) thing.
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