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  #31  
Old December 3rd 18, 01:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mark
Twain writes:

The Dell 780 was bought used through Staples

https://www.staples.com/DELL-780-Tow...4GB-Ram-750GB-
DVDRW-Drive-with-Win-7-Pro-64bit-Refurbished/product_1498887?akamai-feo=
off


I meant a Macrium and yes I did make one previously
for the 750GB HD but thought I would need a new one for
the 2TB HD.

Robert


If _all_ you've done is fit a bigger drive (using Macrium to do the
cloning or imaging), then I don't think you'll need a new one (assuming
you do have one0. If you have also upgraded Macrium to a later version,
then yes: Paul says a Macrium 7 CD ought to be able to use images
created with 5 or 6 as well as 7, but _forwards_ compatibility is rarely
guaranteed, i. e. if you've updated Macrium and then make a new image
with it (as you should be doing anyway from time to time of course),
then your old Macrium CD might not be able to use them.


He has upgraded both machines to Macrium 7.

An emergency restore at the moment, from the latest
backup he made, will need a Macrium 7 CD.

Paul
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  #32  
Old December 3rd 18, 01:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Twain wrote:
Are you saying that the 780 doesn't
recognize the HD?

I also had noticed this error on more
than one file from the 750GB backups,..
so could it of been a problem with the
750HD?

Is this also why it showed nothing on
the info/health tabs on the HDTune scan?

Robert


No, SMART failure is a different problem.

You currently only have the 2TB drive within
view of HDTune, so the SMART should be working.

If you're not using the "1-7-18 Win7 Pro Mrimg backup.xml"
file, you could always choose to delete it. I
don't really know how many of your XML files
have errors, but presumably the file you
use to run backups right now is fresh and
correct.

*******

The Windows "diskpart" command can give the
DiskID from the MBR. It was in my picture.

(admin command prompt)

diskpart
list disk
select disk 1
detail disk
exit

That should report the DiskID for disk 1.
You can "select disk 2" if there is a second
disk, then do "detail disk" to get the details
of the second disk drive.

I got a lesson about DiskID only in the
last couple weeks, when I overwrote one
while "fixing" a boot problem. And the
boot was still broken - and then I knew
I was ignorant about the MBR layout and
had to go research it. When I fix the boot
code on an MBR now, I limit the command
to 440 bytes instead of 446. The details
I needed, were in Wikipedia for MBR.

Paul
  #33  
Old December 3rd 18, 02:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Twain wrote:
I use CDRW's but when creating the Kapersky CD
I had to use a brand new one even though I had
erased the information on the CDRW I wanted to
use. So in that application it didn't work.

So should I create another Rescue CD for the 780?

Robert


Yes. To match your choice of Macrium 7 on the 780.

(I write on the jewel box holding my media, what
version is on there, so I don't have to label
the media itself.)

Paul
  #34  
Old December 3rd 18, 09:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I created a new 780 RescueCD

http://i63.tinypic.com/9un6eu.jpg

Then I unplugged the Internet connection
and waited for 1 hour and ran a HDTune
scan.

http://i68.tinypic.com/x59lwo.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/2qlygxd.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/20tjcpe.jpg

Robert
  #35  
Old December 3rd 18, 09:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I also created a Rescue CD for the 8500:

http://i64.tinypic.com/dwymbr.jpg

As far as deleting files, I'm very leery of
doing that and you know my history with Murphy's
law. Also, won't the newer backups overwrite the
older ones eventually?

As I said I detected this in others as well but
since I installed the new HD and a fresh new copy
of Macrium I don't see any errors.

Robert


  #36  
Old December 3rd 18, 02:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Twain wrote:
I created a new 780 RescueCD

http://i63.tinypic.com/9un6eu.jpg

Then I unplugged the Internet connection
and waited for 1 hour and ran a HDTune
scan.

http://i68.tinypic.com/x59lwo.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/2qlygxd.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/20tjcpe.jpg

Robert


It occurs to me, that you don't use an elevated
account some of the time.

HDTune might benefit from being run as administrator.

Your Info tab looks a bit strange, in that it looks
like maybe all the boxes are ticked. And they shouldn't
be. Usually there's a couple that aren't ticked.

Maybe it's due to lack of Administrator or something.
Just a guess.

*******

As for your benchmark curve, something on your machine
might still be using disk while that benchmark is running.
It could be something related to the AV program.

*******

Your Rescue disc is made with "WinPE 3.1".

As long as the CD works to make backups, it should
also work to make restores. You could boot
the CD and test that it can be used to back up
the internal drive, to the external drive. That
should set your mind at ease, that the CD is good.

And yes, eventually the space management should cause
the older backups to be removed, and new ones take
their place. You set that in the space management
policy when setting up the XML file.

Paul

  #37  
Old December 3rd 18, 02:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Twain wrote:
I also created a Rescue CD for the 8500:

http://i64.tinypic.com/dwymbr.jpg

As far as deleting files, I'm very leery of
doing that and you know my history with Murphy's
law. Also, won't the newer backups overwrite the
older ones eventually?

As I said I detected this in others as well but
since I installed the new HD and a fresh new copy
of Macrium I don't see any errors.

Robert


The XML files are readable with Notepad.

You don't have to worry about those files,
if you're not reusing them.

Paul

  #38  
Old December 3rd 18, 08:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I rarely use the Admin Account unless
you direct me to go there for a purpose.
So I did another HDTune scan after unplugging
the ethernet connection and waited an hour
but this time on the Admin Account.

http://i66.tinypic.com/16bn2mq.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/24eo10m.jpg

This looked really bad so I did another:

http://i68.tinypic.com/r02ide.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/nmkbhe.jpg

Robert
  #39  
Old December 3rd 18, 09:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I don't understand why all the boxes are
selected on the info tab?

I also checked the Rescue CD by booting
and it works fine.

Thanks,
Robert
  #40  
Old December 4th 18, 04:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Twain wrote:
I rarely use the Admin Account unless
you direct me to go there for a purpose.
So I did another HDTune scan after unplugging
the ethernet connection and waited an hour
but this time on the Admin Account.

http://i66.tinypic.com/16bn2mq.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/24eo10m.jpg

This looked really bad so I did another:

http://i68.tinypic.com/r02ide.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/nmkbhe.jpg

Robert


This is my Windows 7 drive, as scanned by the
Windows 7 being the boot drive. This is similar
to how you're doing it. I have the spikes, and it
doesn't look very nice. Also, the SMART is blank!
(That's not shown in the picture.)

https://i.postimg.cc/jStWj2w7/win7dr...in7-HDTune.gif

If I use two drives, I can boot from a Win10 drive
(which the OS likes to play with), while the Win7 drive
remains idle (because now it's just a data drive off
to the side). The scan is cleaner... but not perfect.

https://i.postimg.cc/tgfCF4TD/win7dr...n10-HDTune.gif

Now, the next series is more fun. It turns out, you
can run HDTune while the Macrium Emergency boot CD is
booted and functioning as the OS. I couldn't find the
snippingtool, so had to take camera pictures.

https://i.postimg.cc/zX9j2nQ1/Macriu...Disk-SMART.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/SxwGD7w0/Macriu...Disk-Bench.jpg

In the last picture there are no spikes.

To do that, I needed to make a 32 bit macrium Emergency boot CD,
rather than use the normal 64-bit ones I made. That's because
HDTune is 32 bit software, and the Macrium runtime environment
expects the things you execute, to have the same bitness as
the Emergency CD (32 bit). It took me quite a while to get
set up to make that CD (several hours of farting around).

That's just to demonstrate, there is a way to do a clean scan.
The above shown in order of cleanliness.

When you scan an SSD, you expect to see a flat line. When
using Macrium as the OS, you can see how flat the line is,
and how little wavy stuff is in there.

https://i.postimg.cc/fLmtL9KY/Macriu...can-of-SSD.jpg

In Macrium, the Command Prompt is the black icon at the bottom left.
Clicking it, opens a COmmand Prompt. You have to CD
to the directory with the files you want to execute (hdtune.exe).

cd /d c:\program files (x86)\HD Tune
hdtune.exe

That's how those were done, running a copy of HDTune off
the C: drive, while booted from X:\ Macrium CD.

HTH,
Paul
  #41  
Old December 4th 18, 05:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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There are so many variables to get to a clean
HDTune it makes me wonder how useful/accurate
is it?

I also noticed when loading the Rescue CD that
there's no way to take a screenshot.

It seems the new Macrium7, cloning, backups and
Rescue CD all work OK.

I want to thank you for all your great help
and explaining things. I appreciate all the time
you take to do that.

Robert
  #42  
Old December 4th 18, 03:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Mark
Twain writes:
There are so many variables to get to a clean
HDTune it makes me wonder how useful/accurate
is it?


Accurate, not sure. Useful, I'd say it is: if multiple runs have spikes
_in the same place_, then you almost definitely have a dodgy patch. And
with the bad-sector-swapping firmware now being built into the drives,
it (or something similar) is about the only thing that will actually
show you that. [Assuming you actually _get_ the normal curve. I gave up
with my (1TB) drive.]

I also noticed when loading the Rescue CD that
there's no way to take a screenshot.

It seems the new Macrium7, cloning, backups and
Rescue CD all work OK.

I want to thank you for all your great help
and explaining things. I appreciate all the time
you take to do that.

Robert

John


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