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  #46  
Old January 19th 19, 04:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana wrote:
"Stan Brown" wrote

| Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier
| Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you
| consider to be steps backward in Win 7?
|

Copy a folder to a location where it already exists.

XP: "This will overwrite any files of the same name. Proceed?"

Me: "Yes. Thanks."

-----

Win7: "Here are 3 choices of what to do for this file being
copied... Replace? Make a new copy? Skip it? ...And what
about this file....and this file...."

Me: "OK. Just apply the same answer to the rest of them."

Win7: "Done. Now what about this file... and this file...
and this file..."

----

Now multiply that idiocy by 100:

"You need permission to do what you just did."

"You just inserted a USB stick. The formatting is faulty.
We recommend you reformat it." (It's perfectly fine.)

"You just inserted a USB stick. Do you want to scan it?"
(On a system with no AV! To this day I haven't noticed
what it wants to scan for. I just close nonsense messages
as quickly as possible.)

"No, of course there's no up arrow in folders. Why do
you want to go back?"

"Wha? We've just given you a choice of 15 "My"
folders to browse in. What else do you need?
Oooooo-kay. Here's C drive. Happy now? Desktop?
No. Why would you want to browse for a file on the
desktop. Wait. You don't have permission for any
of this anyway. Plase give yourself permission for
the operation you don't have permission for."

On and on and on...

XP: "Your wish is my command."

Me: "Thank you, XP. Stay in 5th gear. I'm going to want
to be doing some quick zipping around for awhile."

XP: "No probs, buddy boy. Put your seat belt on!"


Apparently, Windows 10 has its own one of these.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...C_Continue.png

Some things never die.

Just change the labels a little bit.

Paul
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Old January 19th 19, 05:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Paul" wrote

| Apparently, Windows 10 has its own one of these.
|
|
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...C_Continue.png
|

Wrong volume? That's weird. That's like saying the wrong
drive is in the drive. Maybe it meant th wrong CD? I remember
on Win9x sometimes that would happen. You'd take out a
CD and Windows would basically say, "Hey, you! I was reading that!"


  #48  
Old January 19th 19, 08:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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nospam on Fri, 18 Jan 2019 20:45:23 -0500
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In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

So we must rely on de facto standards, and on habits. That's why even
minor changes in the GUI cause such conniptions.

no, it's because most products do not have particularly good user
interfaces, and that's being overly generous. make a change and it
sucks in different ways.

a good ui is *hard*, which is why ui/ux designers get paid big bucks
and why a lot of companies don't bother.


"User Friendly" is programmer hard.


very much so.

lazy programmers = bad user interfaces (and bad apps for that matter).


Not just lazy, but time pressed, and in some cases not having an
understanding for what the user will need.
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  #49  
Old January 19th 19, 10:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?


Based on what? It's practically a 10 year old os that had been superseded
twice (three times, if you include 8.1) and Microsoft has very clearly and
in plenty of time announced its EOL.

So not a chance.

As others have said though there's nothing to stop you from continuing to
use it.

I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is
absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday.


It's a horrible os, but it does work as well as any windows release.



  #50  
Old January 19th 19, 04:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
In many ways, XP was better than 7


Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier
Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you
consider to be steps backward in Win 7?


That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too late.
It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things
related to file management.

XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump
(scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and
probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3
seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can
take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green
bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen.
There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor
by itself, but all together they add up.

  #51  
Old January 19th 19, 05:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
In many ways, XP was better than 7

Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier
Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you
consider to be steps backward in Win 7?


That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too late.
It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things
related to file management.

XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump
(scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and
probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3
seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can
take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green
bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen.
There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor
by itself, but all together they add up.


But del works a treat.

If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt
may be one way around it.

And comparatively speaking, "dir" is lightspeed
compared to Explorer, when dealing with large directories.
"dir" can seemingly read a 40GB $MFT in maybe 30 seconds
or so. It's fast enough, I was checking for "violations
of physics" :-)

If you know trouble is brewing, head to the Command Prompt.

I've had Explorer consume 10-15GB of RAM doing something,
then just sit there and spin its wheels (because it seemed
to have hit some sort of internal limit). I don't think the
command line tools have nearly as bad table manners.

Paul
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Old January 19th 19, 05:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

So we must rely on de facto standards, and on habits. That's why even
minor changes in the GUI cause such conniptions.

no, it's because most products do not have particularly good user
interfaces, and that's being overly generous. make a change and it
sucks in different ways.

a good ui is *hard*, which is why ui/ux designers get paid big bucks
and why a lot of companies don't bother.

"User Friendly" is programmer hard.


very much so.

lazy programmers = bad user interfaces (and bad apps for that matter).


Not just lazy, but time pressed, and in some cases not having an
understanding for what the user will need.


if they don't understand what users need, they shouldn't be writing
apps for them.
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Old January 19th 19, 07:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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nospam on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:34:56 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

So we must rely on de facto standards, and on habits. That's why even
minor changes in the GUI cause such conniptions.

no, it's because most products do not have particularly good user
interfaces, and that's being overly generous. make a change and it
sucks in different ways.

a good ui is *hard*, which is why ui/ux designers get paid big bucks
and why a lot of companies don't bother.

"User Friendly" is programmer hard.

very much so.

lazy programmers = bad user interfaces (and bad apps for that matter).


Not just lazy, but time pressed, and in some cases not having an
understanding for what the user will need.


if they don't understand what users need, they shouldn't be writing
apps for them.


Depends on who their "user" is? There is the cartoon of how the
different departments design a "swing", all of which involve at least
one plank and two ropes. "What the customer wanted:" is a tire swing.

I can only program what I know. If the spec is incomplete, I get
to make Decisions. Had a drafting class once, the sketch was very
specific about the dimensions and parameters of two holes on the
plate. Save for one small, teensy, minor detail: where on the plate
were these two holes to be actually located? Center? Upper left?
Lower Right? Without those dimensions, "anywhere" on the plate was
correct and "in spec". Just as long as the two holes were "right"in
relation to each other.
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  #54  
Old January 19th 19, 07:15 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

"User Friendly" is programmer hard.

very much so.

lazy programmers = bad user interfaces (and bad apps for that matter).

Not just lazy, but time pressed, and in some cases not having an
understanding for what the user will need.


if they don't understand what users need, they shouldn't be writing
apps for them.


Depends on who their "user" is?


yep. if someone is writing something for their own use, they can do
whatever they want and how they want.

on the other hand, if what they're writing is to be used by others,
then it should be designed for what works best for them, which is
likely *not* the same as what a programmer thinks it should be.

that's where ui/ux teams come in.
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Old January 19th 19, 08:01 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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nospam on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:15:04 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

"User Friendly" is programmer hard.

very much so.

lazy programmers = bad user interfaces (and bad apps for that matter).

Not just lazy, but time pressed, and in some cases not having an
understanding for what the user will need.

if they don't understand what users need, they shouldn't be writing
apps for them.


Depends on who their "user" is?


yep. if someone is writing something for their own use, they can do
whatever they want and how they want.

on the other hand, if what they're writing is to be used by others,
then it should be designed for what works best for them, which is
likely *not* the same as what a programmer thinks it should be.


Have you heard of this comic strip called "Dilbert"? It's about
the travails of an engineer who wants to do "good work" but is
provided no useful information. The "end user" is a mythical entity,
but is also not the person who says "yes, that is what is wanted".
IMHO, the only "sane" person there is Wally, who just goes through
the motions. He's there for the coffee.



that's where ui/ux teams come in.

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Old January 19th 19, 08:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

Have you heard of this comic strip called "Dilbert"? It's about
the travails of an engineer who wants to do "good work" but is
provided no useful information. The "end user" is a mythical entity,
but is also not the person who says "yes, that is what is wanted".


the end user is not mythical and they say 'that's what i want' by
deciding to buy or not buy your product, by posting favourable or
critical reviewsa and by recommending it or not recommending it to
others.
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Old January 19th 19, 08:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:17:21 -0500, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
In many ways, XP was better than 7

Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier
Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you
consider to be steps backward in Win 7?


That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too late.
It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things
related to file management.

XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump
(scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and
probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3
seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can
take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green
bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen.
There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor
by itself, but all together they add up.


But del works a treat.

If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt
may be one way around it.


Definitely agree that Command Prompt is faster, but I'm usually
multitasking so I tend to start an operation, mass copy/move/delete, for
example, then flip to another window or to a VM and work there while the
first one chugs through.

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Old January 19th 19, 08:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:17:21 -0500, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
In many ways, XP was better than 7

Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier
Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you
consider to be steps backward in Win 7?
That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too late.
It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things
related to file management.

XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump
(scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and
probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3
seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can
take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green
bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen.
There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor
by itself, but all together they add up.

But del works a treat.

If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt
may be one way around it.


Definitely agree that Command Prompt is faster, but I'm usually
multitasking so I tend to start an operation, mass copy/move/delete, for
example, then flip to another window or to a VM and work there while the
first one chugs through.


You can use Robocopy to delete trees. You can use the /mir
function, to mirror an empty directory on top of a tree
and blow the tree away.

Paul
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Old January 19th 19, 10:39 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:17:11 -0500, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:17:21 -0500, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
In many ways, XP was better than 7

Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier
Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you
consider to be steps backward in Win 7?
That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too late.
It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things
related to file management.

XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump
(scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and
probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3
seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can
take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green
bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen.
There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor
by itself, but all together they add up.

But del works a treat.

If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt
may be one way around it.


Definitely agree that Command Prompt is faster, but I'm usually
multitasking so I tend to start an operation, mass copy/move/delete, for
example, then flip to another window or to a VM and work there while the
first one chugs through.


You can use Robocopy to delete trees. You can use the /mir
function, to mirror an empty directory on top of a tree
and blow the tree away.


There are lots of workarounds to the issues that Win Explorer has, but
many of them aren't practical. I like the creative thinking, though.

  #60  
Old January 19th 19, 10:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In message , Paul
writes:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
In many ways, XP was better than 7

Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier
Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you
consider to be steps backward in Win 7?

That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too
late.
It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things
related to file management.
XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump
(scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and
probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3
seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can
take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green
bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen.
There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor
by itself, but all together they add up.


But del works a treat.

If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt
may be one way around it.

And comparatively speaking, "dir" is lightspeed
compared to Explorer, when dealing with large directories.
"dir" can seemingly read a 40GB $MFT in maybe 30 seconds
or so. It's fast enough, I was checking for "violations
of physics" :-)

If you know trouble is brewing, head to the Command Prompt.


I think Char was saying that, in XP, he didn't have to. He was answering
Stan's question "What are some of the things you consider to be steps
backward in Win 7?".

I've had Explorer consume 10-15GB of RAM doing something,
then just sit there and spin its wheels (because it seemed
to have hit some sort of internal limit). I don't think the
command line tools have nearly as bad table manners.

Paul

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