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Interesting: Xp will not recognize my laptop's sata drive
Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop
VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles |
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Charles wrote:
Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles It is not surprising that you would need to supply SATA drivers in XP. Since this is a laptop, the drive controller is on the motherboard and so you need motherboard drivers. It is unlikely that you will find them anywhere except at Sony. Most OEMs like Sony, Dell, HP, etc. have hardware manufactured just for them. You might be able to find out what company actually made the motherboard and then see if you can use reference drivers for it, but that is very unlikely. I'm sorry to tell you this, but you should have checked *first* to see if Sony had XP drivers for that model machine. If Sony doesn't provide XP drivers, the smartest thing to do would be to return the machine or sell it or leave Vista on it and live with it. You aren't going to be able to put XP on it. As an alternative, you might want to see if anyone has installed Linux on that model. Malke -- Elephant Boy Computers www.elephantboycomputers.com "Don't Panic!" MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User |
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Interesting: Xp will not recognize my laptop's sata drive
Charles wrote:
Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles An advert for the thing, mentions "GMA X3100" graphics. That is a graphics built into an Intel chipset. For an Intel chipset, there should be drivers available. You could use a utility, to check the chipset type. (As long as Vista doesn't complain - after all, this thing probes hardware.) http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-140.zip This is chipset drivers for GM965, if that is what you've got. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Prod...=2800&lang=eng For SATA on an Intel chipset, there are several options. A SATA port can be controlled via RAID BIOS, it can be in AHCI mode, or vanilla SATA mode. The last of those should be supported by a driver in the OS itself. WinXP SP1 should be enough in that case. You could slipstream SP1 into a WinXP original installer disk, if the original version of WinXP was all you had. To do that, you'd need a CD burner, to burn the new, slipstreamed image. Check the BIOS and see what options are available for the SATA ports. At least one Southbridge, actually doesn't have any options, and vanilla is all it does. There are some "catch 22" chipsets out there. I tried looking for drivers for one laptop, and Vista was it. There wasn't any WinXP driver content to be found for the chipset, anywhere. So there are some products for which WinXP is a hard fit. I don't know if some money changed hands, to make that possible (no WinXP drivers), or a development group were tightwads enough, not to have a WinXP driver team. So some people won't be installing WinXP on their shiny new laptops. It is not a guaranteed thing. Paul |
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Interesting: Xp will not recognize my laptop's sata drive
Charles wrote:
Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles Only the laptop manufacturer (Sony) can provide you with the necessary SATA controller drivers, if they so desire. They are under no obligation to do so, if the laptop was expressly designed for Vista. Also, by removing the pre-installed OS, you voided any obligation they had to support you, and may have voided your warranty. Consult Sony. Is there any particular reason you didn't simply purchase a laptop with WinXP, instead, if that's what you wanted? -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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Here's another quote that you can add at the end of your signature Bruce.
"When people ask for help you are to be helpful. Anything else is just unkind." Did you not read where I wrote Sony would not help? Apparently you are incorrect as Intel is providing me with the drivers, and I found this out thanks to another helpful, kind soul in this group. :-) "Bruce Chambers" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles Only the laptop manufacturer (Sony) can provide you with the necessary SATA controller drivers, if they so desire. They are under no obligation to do so, if the laptop was expressly designed for Vista. Also, by removing the pre-installed OS, you voided any obligation they had to support you, and may have voided your warranty. Consult Sony. Is there any particular reason you didn't simply purchase a laptop with WinXP, instead, if that's what you wanted? -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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Thanks to Paul, I now have win xp loaded and slowly finding the rest of the
required drivers. Good work! Charles "Paul" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles An advert for the thing, mentions "GMA X3100" graphics. That is a graphics built into an Intel chipset. For an Intel chipset, there should be drivers available. You could use a utility, to check the chipset type. (As long as Vista doesn't complain - after all, this thing probes hardware.) http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-140.zip This is chipset drivers for GM965, if that is what you've got. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Prod...=2800&lang=eng For SATA on an Intel chipset, there are several options. A SATA port can be controlled via RAID BIOS, it can be in AHCI mode, or vanilla SATA mode. The last of those should be supported by a driver in the OS itself. WinXP SP1 should be enough in that case. You could slipstream SP1 into a WinXP original installer disk, if the original version of WinXP was all you had. To do that, you'd need a CD burner, to burn the new, slipstreamed image. Check the BIOS and see what options are available for the SATA ports. At least one Southbridge, actually doesn't have any options, and vanilla is all it does. There are some "catch 22" chipsets out there. I tried looking for drivers for one laptop, and Vista was it. There wasn't any WinXP driver content to be found for the chipset, anywhere. So there are some products for which WinXP is a hard fit. I don't know if some money changed hands, to make that possible (no WinXP drivers), or a development group were tightwads enough, not to have a WinXP driver team. So some people won't be installing WinXP on their shiny new laptops. It is not a guaranteed thing. Paul |
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A large OEM like Sony may well have adjusted the Intel controller on their
mobo and as such you are not to know as to whether you will have any future compatibility problems. Incompatibilities, as I have found out, can be caused by the Bios/controller interaction, which is supplied by Sony. Intel haven't, as far as I'm aware, helped you out, you have simply downloaded a freely available driver. If you do have any problems Sony is very unlikely to offer any support as by installing a none supported o/s you will have invalidated any warranty or support. If you are prepared for the possibility of any future corruption then go ahead, but please ensure you have a good data backup regime in place. "Charles" wrote in message ... Here's another quote that you can add at the end of your signature Bruce. "When people ask for help you are to be helpful. Anything else is just unkind." Did you not read where I wrote Sony would not help? Apparently you are incorrect as Intel is providing me with the drivers, and I found this out thanks to another helpful, kind soul in this group. :-) "Bruce Chambers" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles Only the laptop manufacturer (Sony) can provide you with the necessary SATA controller drivers, if they so desire. They are under no obligation to do so, if the laptop was expressly designed for Vista. Also, by removing the pre-installed OS, you voided any obligation they had to support you, and may have voided your warranty. Consult Sony. Is there any particular reason you didn't simply purchase a laptop with WinXP, instead, if that's what you wanted? -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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Hello Paul, I have all but one driver installed: sound. The chipset is an
Intel GM965, Southbridge 82801HBM (ICH8-ME), the sound card is apparently an Intel 82801HB ICH8 - High definition with High Definition audio codem SigmaTel STAC9872AK. I have looked high and low, on Intel, Microsoft, Driverguide.com, Realtek, without any goodfortune. Do you have any ideas? "Paul" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles An advert for the thing, mentions "GMA X3100" graphics. That is a graphics built into an Intel chipset. For an Intel chipset, there should be drivers available. You could use a utility, to check the chipset type. (As long as Vista doesn't complain - after all, this thing probes hardware.) http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-140.zip This is chipset drivers for GM965, if that is what you've got. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Prod...=2800&lang=eng For SATA on an Intel chipset, there are several options. A SATA port can be controlled via RAID BIOS, it can be in AHCI mode, or vanilla SATA mode. The last of those should be supported by a driver in the OS itself. WinXP SP1 should be enough in that case. You could slipstream SP1 into a WinXP original installer disk, if the original version of WinXP was all you had. To do that, you'd need a CD burner, to burn the new, slipstreamed image. Check the BIOS and see what options are available for the SATA ports. At least one Southbridge, actually doesn't have any options, and vanilla is all it does. There are some "catch 22" chipsets out there. I tried looking for drivers for one laptop, and Vista was it. There wasn't any WinXP driver content to be found for the chipset, anywhere. So there are some products for which WinXP is a hard fit. I don't know if some money changed hands, to make that possible (no WinXP drivers), or a development group were tightwads enough, not to have a WinXP driver team. So some people won't be installing WinXP on their shiny new laptops. It is not a guaranteed thing. Paul |
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Charles wrote:
Hello Paul, I have all but one driver installed: sound. The chipset is an Intel GM965, Southbridge 82801HBM (ICH8-ME), the sound card is apparently an Intel 82801HB ICH8 - High definition with High Definition audio codem SigmaTel STAC9872AK. I have looked high and low, on Intel, Microsoft, Driverguide.com, Realtek, without any goodfortune. Do you have any ideas? Well, now we're in real "blue sky" country. In the good old days, only a few years back, there were AC'97 codecs. For those, there was a chipset dependency, so you needed a driver that knew about STAC9872 and also knew about ICH8, for example. What I don't know, is whether that is still true or not with HDaudio. This model uses a STAC9872, but the date of the chipset used in the laptop is old enough, that this driver probably doesn't know about ICH8. http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...=2074&os_id=16 Now, one participant here, claims to have used the Realtek driver. For AC'97, RealTek drivers used to be used promiscuously, to set up other AC'97 codecs. I think the result was, that you could get two channel sound. So the result wasn't perfect. I don't understand enough of HDaudio, to say whether this would even work (without INF hacking) or exactly what is required. I cannot believe a RealTek driver would just install and do everything right. Maybe it is the fact that it comes with the Microsoft UAA hotfix that makes it work ? http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.s...bb44ac3075bb1d This is the RealTek HDaudio driver, from one of the realtek.com.tw servers. It is a 25MB download. ftp://61.56.69.18/pc/audio/WDM_R173.zip Note that, for HDaudio, you need "UAA" from Microsoft. The RealTek driver download has the English version of the UAA components, but doesn't appear to have other localizations. In the case of these Asus drivers for a RealTek HDaudio sound chip, they have one of the early versions of UAA for about 25 different languages. This download totals about 82MB, with the first four being 20MB each and the last one is a little one. You unzip these, and then there is a self-executing RAR archive inside. After unraring the content, there are drivers and the UAA hotfix. A good chunk of the driver download is the UAA stuff. http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part1.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part2.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part3.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part4.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part5.zip You can also get UAA from Microsoft, but I don't know how clever the installer is in the audio packages - whether an old installer would try to remove the latest UAA or not is something I don't know. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888111/en-us The description on the page here, makes it sound like nothing is required except UAA. And yet one of the HDaudio drivers is full of registry stuff - presumably to map the port wiring to the jacks or something. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/835221/ As for the Sigmatel parts, Sony Vaio seems to be one user of them. Sigmatel was bought by IDT (another chip maker), but that doesn't give an excuse for not making WinXP drivers. It should be dead easy to do, once you've made the first driver. So getting the sound to work is not going to be nearly as easy. I'd give the Esupport link (first one) a try, and maybe give up after that :-) Sorry I couldn't be more help. Paul "Paul" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles An advert for the thing, mentions "GMA X3100" graphics. That is a graphics built into an Intel chipset. For an Intel chipset, there should be drivers available. You could use a utility, to check the chipset type. (As long as Vista doesn't complain - after all, this thing probes hardware.) http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-140.zip This is chipset drivers for GM965, if that is what you've got. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Prod...=2800&lang=eng For SATA on an Intel chipset, there are several options. A SATA port can be controlled via RAID BIOS, it can be in AHCI mode, or vanilla SATA mode. The last of those should be supported by a driver in the OS itself. WinXP SP1 should be enough in that case. You could slipstream SP1 into a WinXP original installer disk, if the original version of WinXP was all you had. To do that, you'd need a CD burner, to burn the new, slipstreamed image. Check the BIOS and see what options are available for the SATA ports. At least one Southbridge, actually doesn't have any options, and vanilla is all it does. There are some "catch 22" chipsets out there. I tried looking for drivers for one laptop, and Vista was it. There wasn't any WinXP driver content to be found for the chipset, anywhere. So there are some products for which WinXP is a hard fit. I don't know if some money changed hands, to make that possible (no WinXP drivers), or a development group were tightwads enough, not to have a WinXP driver team. So some people won't be installing WinXP on their shiny new laptops. It is not a guaranteed thing. Paul |
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Hello Paul, thank you for your response. Unfortunately still no sound.
Drivers from the Sony website are useless. Even if they could work in theory, there is some kind of block that prevents them from being installed on a different model. I always get a message after I execute them saying something like "This driver was not designed for this model". I can't do anything about that. The Realtek HD driver gave me hope as it started to install, even discovered the modem at the same time, but then a window requested a file called "sthda.sys". I did a brief Internet search for this file but could not find any answer, even took a file with the same name from a sound driver for a Gateway pc but it did not work. Do you think that if I could find an owner with a Sony Vaio notebook that uses a High definition audio codec for the SigmaTel STAC9872AK, that I could ask them to copy the drivers directly with a driver copy program such as Driver Ghost, that I could then use them? As far as what you wrote regarding Microsoft's UAA, you lost me there. The MS links you provided are articles that say if you want this file you have to request it from Microsoft. But since the Realtek driver already has the UAA part, I assume that is not the issue. Thanks again for you help. Charles. "Paul" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello Paul, I have all but one driver installed: sound. The chipset is an Intel GM965, Southbridge 82801HBM (ICH8-ME), the sound card is apparently an Intel 82801HB ICH8 - High definition with High Definition audio codem SigmaTel STAC9872AK. I have looked high and low, on Intel, Microsoft, Driverguide.com, Realtek, without any goodfortune. Do you have any ideas? Well, now we're in real "blue sky" country. In the good old days, only a few years back, there were AC'97 codecs. For those, there was a chipset dependency, so you needed a driver that knew about STAC9872 and also knew about ICH8, for example. What I don't know, is whether that is still true or not with HDaudio. This model uses a STAC9872, but the date of the chipset used in the laptop is old enough, that this driver probably doesn't know about ICH8. http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...=2074&os_id=16 Now, one participant here, claims to have used the Realtek driver. For AC'97, RealTek drivers used to be used promiscuously, to set up other AC'97 codecs. I think the result was, that you could get two channel sound. So the result wasn't perfect. I don't understand enough of HDaudio, to say whether this would even work (without INF hacking) or exactly what is required. I cannot believe a RealTek driver would just install and do everything right. Maybe it is the fact that it comes with the Microsoft UAA hotfix that makes it work ? http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.s...bb44ac3075bb1d This is the RealTek HDaudio driver, from one of the realtek.com.tw servers. It is a 25MB download. ftp://61.56.69.18/pc/audio/WDM_R173.zip Note that, for HDaudio, you need "UAA" from Microsoft. The RealTek driver download has the English version of the UAA components, but doesn't appear to have other localizations. In the case of these Asus drivers for a RealTek HDaudio sound chip, they have one of the early versions of UAA for about 25 different languages. This download totals about 82MB, with the first four being 20MB each and the last one is a little one. You unzip these, and then there is a self-executing RAR archive inside. After unraring the content, there are drivers and the UAA hotfix. A good chunk of the driver download is the UAA stuff. http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part1.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part2.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part3.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part4.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part5.zip You can also get UAA from Microsoft, but I don't know how clever the installer is in the audio packages - whether an old installer would try to remove the latest UAA or not is something I don't know. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888111/en-us The description on the page here, makes it sound like nothing is required except UAA. And yet one of the HDaudio drivers is full of registry stuff - presumably to map the port wiring to the jacks or something. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/835221/ As for the Sigmatel parts, Sony Vaio seems to be one user of them. Sigmatel was bought by IDT (another chip maker), but that doesn't give an excuse for not making WinXP drivers. It should be dead easy to do, once you've made the first driver. So getting the sound to work is not going to be nearly as easy. I'd give the Esupport link (first one) a try, and maybe give up after that :-) Sorry I couldn't be more help. Paul "Paul" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles An advert for the thing, mentions "GMA X3100" graphics. That is a graphics built into an Intel chipset. For an Intel chipset, there should be drivers available. You could use a utility, to check the chipset type. (As long as Vista doesn't complain - after all, this thing probes hardware.) http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-140.zip This is chipset drivers for GM965, if that is what you've got. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Prod...=2800&lang=eng For SATA on an Intel chipset, there are several options. A SATA port can be controlled via RAID BIOS, it can be in AHCI mode, or vanilla SATA mode. The last of those should be supported by a driver in the OS itself. WinXP SP1 should be enough in that case. You could slipstream SP1 into a WinXP original installer disk, if the original version of WinXP was all you had. To do that, you'd need a CD burner, to burn the new, slipstreamed image. Check the BIOS and see what options are available for the SATA ports. At least one Southbridge, actually doesn't have any options, and vanilla is all it does. There are some "catch 22" chipsets out there. I tried looking for drivers for one laptop, and Vista was it. There wasn't any WinXP driver content to be found for the chipset, anywhere. So there are some products for which WinXP is a hard fit. I don't know if some money changed hands, to make that possible (no WinXP drivers), or a development group were tightwads enough, not to have a WinXP driver team. So some people won't be installing WinXP on their shiny new laptops. It is not a guaranteed thing. Paul |
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Charles wrote:
Hello Paul, thank you for your response. Unfortunately still no sound. Drivers from the Sony website are useless. Even if they could work in theory, there is some kind of block that prevents them from being installed on a different model. I always get a message after I execute them saying something like "This driver was not designed for this model". I can't do anything about that. The Realtek HD driver gave me hope as it started to install, even discovered the modem at the same time, but then a window requested a file called "sthda.sys". I did a brief Internet search for this file but could not find any answer, even took a file with the same name from a sound driver for a Gateway pc but it did not work. Do you think that if I could find an owner with a Sony Vaio notebook that uses a High definition audio codec for the SigmaTel STAC9872AK, that I could ask them to copy the drivers directly with a driver copy program such as Driver Ghost, that I could then use them? As far as what you wrote regarding Microsoft's UAA, you lost me there. The MS links you provided are articles that say if you want this file you have to request it from Microsoft. But since the Realtek driver already has the UAA part, I assume that is not the issue. Thanks again for you help. Charles. sthda stands for sigmatel hd audio. So some part of the software knows it is looking for Sigmatel. Drivers depend on the identity info that comes from the hardware. The hardware ID has to match a line in the INF file, for the installer to do whatever the INF has instructions for. In the case of audio, there are registry entries that might identify which channel is tied to which jack. Other settings might affect the sound control panel and features in there. It is possible to hack a driver package, by modifying the INF and making it more promiscuous. But trying to do that in a posting exchange is going to be next to impossible. Here is another driver link. This is a Dell for 965PM or so they claim. The installer package is a nice one, in that it unzips the files first, into a folder on the C drive. In this one, you'll get your "sthda" file. Of course, they don't just transplant, like ripping an arm off one person and making a leg from it for someone else :-) I would try the whole installer, by working with the files in the unzipped folder, and see if you can get some results that way. What I'd be hoping for, as an end user, is to get two channel (stereo) from line_out. Expecting to get all the features to work, would require a miracle. http://support.us.dell.com/support/d...&fileid=211297 You can read the INF and INI files in the WDM folder, with a text editor like notepad. The thread referencing the Dell driver was he http://www.notebookforums.com/thread169312-30.html Paul "Paul" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello Paul, I have all but one driver installed: sound. The chipset is an Intel GM965, Southbridge 82801HBM (ICH8-ME), the sound card is apparently an Intel 82801HB ICH8 - High definition with High Definition audio codem SigmaTel STAC9872AK. I have looked high and low, on Intel, Microsoft, Driverguide.com, Realtek, without any goodfortune. Do you have any ideas? Well, now we're in real "blue sky" country. In the good old days, only a few years back, there were AC'97 codecs. For those, there was a chipset dependency, so you needed a driver that knew about STAC9872 and also knew about ICH8, for example. What I don't know, is whether that is still true or not with HDaudio. This model uses a STAC9872, but the date of the chipset used in the laptop is old enough, that this driver probably doesn't know about ICH8. http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...=2074&os_id=16 Now, one participant here, claims to have used the Realtek driver. For AC'97, RealTek drivers used to be used promiscuously, to set up other AC'97 codecs. I think the result was, that you could get two channel sound. So the result wasn't perfect. I don't understand enough of HDaudio, to say whether this would even work (without INF hacking) or exactly what is required. I cannot believe a RealTek driver would just install and do everything right. Maybe it is the fact that it comes with the Microsoft UAA hotfix that makes it work ? http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.s...bb44ac3075bb1d This is the RealTek HDaudio driver, from one of the realtek.com.tw servers. It is a 25MB download. ftp://61.56.69.18/pc/audio/WDM_R173.zip Note that, for HDaudio, you need "UAA" from Microsoft. The RealTek driver download has the English version of the UAA components, but doesn't appear to have other localizations. In the case of these Asus drivers for a RealTek HDaudio sound chip, they have one of the early versions of UAA for about 25 different languages. This download totals about 82MB, with the first four being 20MB each and the last one is a little one. You unzip these, and then there is a self-executing RAR archive inside. After unraring the content, there are drivers and the UAA hotfix. A good chunk of the driver download is the UAA stuff. http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part1.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part2.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part3.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part4.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part5.zip You can also get UAA from Microsoft, but I don't know how clever the installer is in the audio packages - whether an old installer would try to remove the latest UAA or not is something I don't know. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888111/en-us The description on the page here, makes it sound like nothing is required except UAA. And yet one of the HDaudio drivers is full of registry stuff - presumably to map the port wiring to the jacks or something. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/835221/ As for the Sigmatel parts, Sony Vaio seems to be one user of them. Sigmatel was bought by IDT (another chip maker), but that doesn't give an excuse for not making WinXP drivers. It should be dead easy to do, once you've made the first driver. So getting the sound to work is not going to be nearly as easy. I'd give the Esupport link (first one) a try, and maybe give up after that :-) Sorry I couldn't be more help. Paul "Paul" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles An advert for the thing, mentions "GMA X3100" graphics. That is a graphics built into an Intel chipset. For an Intel chipset, there should be drivers available. You could use a utility, to check the chipset type. (As long as Vista doesn't complain - after all, this thing probes hardware.) http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-140.zip This is chipset drivers for GM965, if that is what you've got. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Prod...=2800&lang=eng For SATA on an Intel chipset, there are several options. A SATA port can be controlled via RAID BIOS, it can be in AHCI mode, or vanilla SATA mode. The last of those should be supported by a driver in the OS itself. WinXP SP1 should be enough in that case. You could slipstream SP1 into a WinXP original installer disk, if the original version of WinXP was all you had. To do that, you'd need a CD burner, to burn the new, slipstreamed image. Check the BIOS and see what options are available for the SATA ports. At least one Southbridge, actually doesn't have any options, and vanilla is all it does. There are some "catch 22" chipsets out there. I tried looking for drivers for one laptop, and Vista was it. There wasn't any WinXP driver content to be found for the chipset, anywhere. So there are some products for which WinXP is a hard fit. I don't know if some money changed hands, to make that possible (no WinXP drivers), or a development group were tightwads enough, not to have a WinXP driver team. So some people won't be installing WinXP on their shiny new laptops. It is not a guaranteed thing. Paul |
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Ok, allright, yahoo, this project is over, in the
books. I now have installed every driver except for the dial up modem and the mass something driver (?). Everything works fine. For the benefit of others I am going to try to post all the links to the drivers I now have for the Sony Vaio notebook model VGN-FZ140E. - For chipset (install first before all drivers except the SATA hard drive driver that will be installed during xp installation, read on), graphic card and SATA hard drive drivers go he http://support.intel.com/support/gra.../CS-025753.htm - For audio drivers (the English language page was available on Sun 19 Aug 07, but today I can only see the French-language page, just go to bottom click on Accepter and it will take you to the download) go he http://www.vaio-link.com/downloads/i...1108005-UN.htm - For wired Ethernet go he http://www.soft32.com/Download/Free/...-185944-1.html - For wireless Ethernet go he http://support.intel.com/support/wir.../CS-010623.htm - I was not able to get the dial up modem to work but here is a link to a post from someone that claims they have been able, go here for the post: http://forum.notebookreview.com/show...=129377&page=2 To everyone who helped find these drivers thank you once again! And to Sony: you make good product but your customer service and attitude really sucks. You should support customers who want to downgrade from Vista to xp, knowlingly voiding their warranty. They have paid good money to purchase a product, will not be able to make a claim on their warrantly so more savings for you, and still you refuse to even post drivers that will work. "Paul" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello Paul, thank you for your response. Unfortunately still no sound. Drivers from the Sony website are useless. Even if they could work in theory, there is some kind of block that prevents them from being installed on a different model. I always get a message after I execute them saying something like "This driver was not designed for this model". I can't do anything about that. The Realtek HD driver gave me hope as it started to install, even discovered the modem at the same time, but then a window requested a file called "sthda.sys". I did a brief Internet search for this file but could not find any answer, even took a file with the same name from a sound driver for a Gateway pc but it did not work. Do you think that if I could find an owner with a Sony Vaio notebook that uses a High definition audio codec for the SigmaTel STAC9872AK, that I could ask them to copy the drivers directly with a driver copy program such as Driver Ghost, that I could then use them? As far as what you wrote regarding Microsoft's UAA, you lost me there. The MS links you provided are articles that say if you want this file you have to request it from Microsoft. But since the Realtek driver already has the UAA part, I assume that is not the issue. Thanks again for you help. Charles. sthda stands for sigmatel hd audio. So some part of the software knows it is looking for Sigmatel. Drivers depend on the identity info that comes from the hardware. The hardware ID has to match a line in the INF file, for the installer to do whatever the INF has instructions for. In the case of audio, there are registry entries that might identify which channel is tied to which jack. Other settings might affect the sound control panel and features in there. It is possible to hack a driver package, by modifying the INF and making it more promiscuous. But trying to do that in a posting exchange is going to be next to impossible. Here is another driver link. This is a Dell for 965PM or so they claim. The installer package is a nice one, in that it unzips the files first, into a folder on the C drive. In this one, you'll get your "sthda" file. Of course, they don't just transplant, like ripping an arm off one person and making a leg from it for someone else :-) I would try the whole installer, by working with the files in the unzipped folder, and see if you can get some results that way. What I'd be hoping for, as an end user, is to get two channel (stereo) from line_out. Expecting to get all the features to work, would require a miracle. http://support.us.dell.com/support/d...&fileid=211297 You can read the INF and INI files in the WDM folder, with a text editor like notepad. The thread referencing the Dell driver was he http://www.notebookforums.com/thread169312-30.html Paul "Paul" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello Paul, I have all but one driver installed: sound. The chipset is an Intel GM965, Southbridge 82801HBM (ICH8-ME), the sound card is apparently an Intel 82801HB ICH8 - High definition with High Definition audio codem SigmaTel STAC9872AK. I have looked high and low, on Intel, Microsoft, Driverguide.com, Realtek, without any goodfortune. Do you have any ideas? Well, now we're in real "blue sky" country. In the good old days, only a few years back, there were AC'97 codecs. For those, there was a chipset dependency, so you needed a driver that knew about STAC9872 and also knew about ICH8, for example. What I don't know, is whether that is still true or not with HDaudio. This model uses a STAC9872, but the date of the chipset used in the laptop is old enough, that this driver probably doesn't know about ICH8. http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...=2074&os_id=16 Now, one participant here, claims to have used the Realtek driver. For AC'97, RealTek drivers used to be used promiscuously, to set up other AC'97 codecs. I think the result was, that you could get two channel sound. So the result wasn't perfect. I don't understand enough of HDaudio, to say whether this would even work (without INF hacking) or exactly what is required. I cannot believe a RealTek driver would just install and do everything right. Maybe it is the fact that it comes with the Microsoft UAA hotfix that makes it work ? http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.s...bb44ac3075bb1d This is the RealTek HDaudio driver, from one of the realtek.com.tw servers. It is a 25MB download. ftp://61.56.69.18/pc/audio/WDM_R173.zip Note that, for HDaudio, you need "UAA" from Microsoft. The RealTek driver download has the English version of the UAA components, but doesn't appear to have other localizations. In the case of these Asus drivers for a RealTek HDaudio sound chip, they have one of the early versions of UAA for about 25 different languages. This download totals about 82MB, with the first four being 20MB each and the last one is a little one. You unzip these, and then there is a self-executing RAR archive inside. After unraring the content, there are drivers and the UAA hotfix. A good chunk of the driver download is the UAA stuff. http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part1.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part2.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part3.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part4.zip http://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mis...5127-part5.zip You can also get UAA from Microsoft, but I don't know how clever the installer is in the audio packages - whether an old installer would try to remove the latest UAA or not is something I don't know. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888111/en-us The description on the page here, makes it sound like nothing is required except UAA. And yet one of the HDaudio drivers is full of registry stuff - presumably to map the port wiring to the jacks or something. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/835221/ As for the Sigmatel parts, Sony Vaio seems to be one user of them. Sigmatel was bought by IDT (another chip maker), but that doesn't give an excuse for not making WinXP drivers. It should be dead easy to do, once you've made the first driver. So getting the sound to work is not going to be nearly as easy. I'd give the Esupport link (first one) a try, and maybe give up after that :-) Sorry I couldn't be more help. Paul "Paul" wrote: Charles wrote: Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles An advert for the thing, mentions "GMA X3100" graphics. That is a graphics built into an Intel chipset. For an Intel chipset, there should be drivers available. You could use a utility, to check the chipset type. (As long as Vista doesn't complain - after all, this thing probes hardware.) http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-140.zip This is chipset drivers for GM965, if that is what you've got. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Prod...=2800&lang=eng For SATA on an Intel chipset, there are several options. A SATA port can be controlled via RAID BIOS, it can be in AHCI mode, or vanilla SATA mode. The last of those should be supported by a driver in the OS itself. WinXP SP1 should be enough in that case. You could slipstream SP1 into a WinXP original installer disk, if the original version of WinXP was all you had. To do that, you'd need a CD burner, to burn the new, slipstreamed image. Check the BIOS and see what options are available for the SATA ports. At least one Southbridge, actually doesn't have any options, and vanilla is all it does. There are some "catch 22" chipsets out there. I tried looking for drivers for one laptop, and Vista was it. There wasn't any WinXP driver content to be found for the chipset, anywhere. So there are some products for which WinXP is a hard fit. I don't know if some money changed hands, to make that possible (no WinXP drivers), or a development group were tightwads enough, not to have a WinXP driver team. So some people won't be installing WinXP on their shiny new laptops. It is not a guaranteed thing. Paul |
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Charles;3095219 Wrote: Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles Hi Charles, I am so glad that after over 3 weeks of endless searching, I have finally come across this post/thread. I also bought a VGN-FZ140E and am facing exactly the same problems that you have successfully passed... Mine also came with Vista and I paid someone to install XP on it... I have no idea how that guy installed XP but I want to do a fresh installation and am not in a mood to again pay him $150. So can you kindly help me get the driver and the solution using which you got your xp CD to recognize the Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. BTW, I do not have a floppy and I hope that your solution does not require a floppy ??? In the worst case I'll go and buy a floppy if there is no other option Charles;3102068 Wrote: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Ok, allright, yahoo, this project is over, in the books. I now have installed every driver except for the dial up modem and the mass something driver (?). Everything works fine. For the benefit of others I am going to try to post all the links to the drivers I now have for the Sony Vaio notebook model VGN-FZ140E.... *Congratulations!!! You are lucky. I wish I can also feel the same way soon The past 3+ weeks have been an ordeal...* CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME GET THE DRIVERS/SOLUTIONS FOR THE FOLLOWING AS I CAN'T GET THESE TO WORK: 1) The built-in Camera 2) The AV Mode button 3) The S Button 4) Card Reader 5) Alps pointing device Tons of advance thanks for your help. I'm really looking for to your reply. -- morland ------------------------------------------------------------------------ morland's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=28817 View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=803098 http://forums.techarena.in |
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If you still have xp installed, you can do a repair install and xp will see
your sata hard drive. If you have formatted, use the sata driver mentioned in this post. You can either use a floppy or format a usb key to act as a floppy and put the driver on the key. As the post mentions this sata driver will be installed at the beginning of the xp installation (press f6 to install sata driver something like that). The Intel site that this post mentions provides instructions to use the sata driver. To use a usb as a floppy you will have to google how to do it. I found an HP program that let me do it but in the end I bought a usb floppy drive. I hope this post helps. Charles. "morland" wrote: Charles;3095219 Wrote: Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Charles Hi Charles, I am so glad that after over 3 weeks of endless searching, I have finally come across this post/thread. I also bought a VGN-FZ140E and am facing exactly the same problems that you have successfully passed... Mine also came with Vista and I paid someone to install XP on it... I have no idea how that guy installed XP but I want to do a fresh installation and am not in a mood to again pay him $150. So can you kindly help me get the driver and the solution using which you got your xp CD to recognize the Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. BTW, I do not have a floppy and I hope that your solution does not require a floppy ??? In the worst case I'll go and buy a floppy if there is no other option Charles;3102068 Wrote: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Ok, allright, yahoo, this project is over, in the books. I now have installed every driver except for the dial up modem and the mass something driver (?). Everything works fine. For the benefit of others I am going to try to post all the links to the drivers I now have for the Sony Vaio notebook model VGN-FZ140E.... *Congratulations!!! You are lucky. I wish I can also feel the same way soon The past 3+ weeks have been an ordeal...* CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME GET THE DRIVERS/SOLUTIONS FOR THE FOLLOWING AS I CAN'T GET THESE TO WORK: 1) The built-in Camera 2) The AV Mode button 3) The S Button 4) Card Reader 5) Alps pointing device Tons of advance thanks for your help. I'm really looking for to your reply. -- morland ------------------------------------------------------------------------ morland's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=28817 View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=803098 http://forums.techarena.in |
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Many thanks for the reply Charles. Can you kindly help me with the 2nd part of my post i.e. the following portion: Originally Posted by Charles Hello, I am trying to convert a recently purchased Sony Vaio laptop VGN-FZ140E from Vista to XP. Upon installation, xp will not recognize my Toshiba MK2035GSS sata hard drive. Sony will not help and Toshiba techs are unreachable. I need to have a controller or driver that will make xp installation possible. I have already done a considerable amount of Internet research, but since I do not know how controllers work and who is supposed to manufacture the darn thing, I feel like I am feeling my way in the dark. Can you help provide a clue as to where I might look? Thanks for your time, Congratulations!!! You are lucky. I wish I can also feel the same way soon The past 3+ weeks have been an ordeal... Can you please help me get the drivers/solutions for the following as I can't get these to work: 1) The built-in Camera 2) The AV Mode button 3) The S Button 4) Card Reader 5) Alps pointing device 6) The SATA Driver Tons of advance thanks for your help. I'm really looking for to your reply. -- morland ------------------------------------------------------------------------ morland's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=28817 View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=803098 http://forums.techarena.in |
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