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On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote: The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer? Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre. The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which, er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP. Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user. So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP. Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 Paul |
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news Steven Watkins wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote: The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer? Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre. The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which, er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP. Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user. So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP. Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this - http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off. The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack -- Regards wasbit |
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"Paul" wrote in message news Steven Watkins wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote: The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer? Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre. The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which, er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP. Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user. So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP. Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this - http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off. The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack For that one, there isn't a real need to secure the unit to the wall. The RJ11 coming into the house, is pretty rugged and reliable (at least, compared to fiber optics). For a VDSL model, you could sit that on a table next to the demarc if you wanted. This is an example of a fiber to the home setup, and it has both an ONT and a battery backup (the battery backup is because it has VOIP). And you don't really want the fiber to extend into the living area, where it could get damaged. Fiber has a bend-radius limit, and in the long term would work best if the customer couldn't mess with it. And if the ONT and the battery backup were bolted to a board (or garage wall), that would be for the best. The fiber is a green cable. They even give you four LAN ports on this one. http://homeclarke.mynetgear.com:8080...dry%20copy.jpg Paul |
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 22:20:01 -0500, Paul wrote:
Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 Yes that's a VDSL router with wifi and Ethernet outputs to the consumer. VDSL is the buzz phrase for the final copper drop from the cabinet to the user premises. Usually only a couple of hundred metres so can be pretty fast for downloads. I see that few companies are offering fibre to the premises with the promise of 1GB download rates. https://www.homeandbusiness.openreac...bre-buy-it-now |
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 22:20:01 -0500, Paul wrote: Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 Yes that's a VDSL router with wifi and Ethernet outputs to the consumer. VDSL is the buzz phrase for the final copper drop from the cabinet to the user premises. Usually only a couple of hundred metres so can be pretty fast for downloads. I see that few companies are offering fibre to the premises with the promise of 1GB download rates. https://www.homeandbusiness.openreac...bre-buy-it-now We have that here. The newest and weirdest offering, is 1.5Gbit/sec fiber. https://www.bell.ca/Bell_Internet/Pr...Gigabit15-FTTH Total download speed 1.5 Gbps === customers measure ~600, varies a lot Upload speed 940 Mbps === customers get *consistent* upload speed Included monthly usage No cap Home Hub 3000 with wireless AC technology included. $110 per month So the Wifi is how you're supposed to surpass the 1 GbE limit on the Ethernet port. Good luck with that. And it's a hobbyist play-toy. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r311...e-HomeHub-3000 Paul |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 12:16:17 -0000, Paul wrote:
wasbit wrote: "Paul" wrote in message news Steven Watkins wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote: The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer? Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre. The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which, er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP. Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user. So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP. Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this - http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off. The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack For that one, there isn't a real need to secure the unit to the wall. The RJ11 coming into the house, is pretty rugged and reliable (at least, compared to fiber optics). For a VDSL model, you could sit that on a table next to the demarc if you wanted. This is an example of a fiber to the home setup, and it has both an ONT and a battery backup (the battery backup is because it has VOIP). And you don't really want the fiber to extend into the living area, where it could get damaged. Fiber has a bend-radius limit, and in the long term would work best if the customer couldn't mess with it. And if the ONT and the battery backup were bolted to a board (or garage wall), that would be for the best. The fiber is a green cable. They even give you four LAN ports on this one. http://homeclarke.mynetgear.com:8080...dry%20copy.jpg whoever fitted that needs glasses. |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message news Steven Watkins wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote: The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer? Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre. The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which, er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP. Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user. So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP. Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected, instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach modem. https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590 It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this - http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem I have that too. All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off. As does mine. The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 12:39:34 -0000, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 22:20:01 -0500, Paul wrote: Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 Yes that's a VDSL router with wifi and Ethernet outputs to the consumer. VDSL is the buzz phrase for the final copper drop from the cabinet to the user premises. Usually only a couple of hundred metres so can be pretty fast for downloads. I see that few companies are offering fibre to the premises with the promise of 1GB download rates. https://www.homeandbusiness.openreac...bre-buy-it-now For once technology is exceeding demand. I can have 38 or 54 Mbit. I use 38 to save money and it's more than fast enough. |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit wrote: "Paul" wrote in message news Steven Watkins wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote: The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer? Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre. The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which, er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP. Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user. So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP. Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected, instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach modem. https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590 It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this - http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem I have that too. All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off. As does mine. The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack I'm getting dizzy. What's with all the 10/100BT ports ? :-\ 802.11n 2x2 (2.4 GHz) (b/g/n). What is this, 1970 ? Something in this picture... just... isn't... needed. Or should be re-sold/re-gifted on Ebay or something. I've seen other ISPs do this stuff too. Offer a super-high-speed service, then rent customers equipment with 4 ports of the 10/100BT persuasion. I suppose it's no worse than the first broadband service I got here. Where the provider said to use a separate software package to terminate PPPOE, with the usual couple of crashes per evening (the OS at the time, didn't support PPPOE termination itself). I had to fork out on a home router, to stop the crashing. Even that router wasn't all that good. Today, you could buy the same router for $39.95, and the Ethernet cables cost more than the router does. And the $39.95 router is actually stable. Why can't you take the OpenReach modem, and plug a GbE switch into its one RJ45 ? At least the machine to machine network in the house would perform well. The port is labeled LAN1, so there's probably also a one-port-router in there. Paul |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:11:44 -0000, Paul wrote:
Steven Watkins wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit wrote: "Paul" wrote in message news Steven Watkins wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote: The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer? Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre. The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which, er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP. Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user. So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP. Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected, instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach modem. https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590 It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this - http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem I have that too. All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off. As does mine. The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack I'm getting dizzy. What's with all the 10/100BT ports ? :-\ 802.11n 2x2 (2.4 GHz) (b/g/n). What is this, 1970 ? Something in this picture... just... isn't... needed. Or should be re-sold/re-gifted on Ebay or something. I've seen other ISPs do this stuff too. Offer a super-high-speed service, then rent customers equipment with 4 ports of the 10/100BT persuasion. I suppose it's no worse than the first broadband service I got here. Where the provider said to use a separate software package to terminate PPPOE, with the usual couple of crashes per evening (the OS at the time, didn't support PPPOE termination itself). I had to fork out on a home router, to stop the crashing. Even that router wasn't all that good. Today, you could buy the same router for $39.95, and the Ethernet cables cost more than the router does. And the $39.95 router is actually stable. Why can't you take the OpenReach modem, and plug a GbE switch into its one RJ45 ? At least the machine to machine network in the house would perform well. The port is labeled LAN1, so there's probably also a one-port-router in there. Not sure what you're getting at. I pay for 38 or 80 (limited to 54 by the length of copper to my house) Mbps. Both routers are capable of 100. Nothing slows anything down and they very rarely crash. |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 01:08:57 -0000, "Steven Watkins"
wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:11:44 -0000, Paul wrote: Steven Watkins wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit wrote: "Paul" wrote in message news Steven Watkins wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote: The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer? Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre. The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which, er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP. Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user. So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP. Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected, instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach modem. https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590 It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this - http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem I have that too. All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off. As does mine. The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack I'm getting dizzy. What's with all the 10/100BT ports ? :-\ 802.11n 2x2 (2.4 GHz) (b/g/n). What is this, 1970 ? Something in this picture... just... isn't... needed. Or should be re-sold/re-gifted on Ebay or something. I've seen other ISPs do this stuff too. Offer a super-high-speed service, then rent customers equipment with 4 ports of the 10/100BT persuasion. I suppose it's no worse than the first broadband service I got here. Where the provider said to use a separate software package to terminate PPPOE, with the usual couple of crashes per evening (the OS at the time, didn't support PPPOE termination itself). I had to fork out on a home router, to stop the crashing. Even that router wasn't all that good. Today, you could buy the same router for $39.95, and the Ethernet cables cost more than the router does. And the $39.95 router is actually stable. Why can't you take the OpenReach modem, and plug a GbE switch into its one RJ45 ? At least the machine to machine network in the house would perform well. The port is labeled LAN1, so there's probably also a one-port-router in there. Not sure what you're getting at. I pay for 38 or 80 (limited to 54 by the length of copper to my house) Mbps. Both routers are capable of 100. Nothing slows anything down and they very rarely crash. Paul described the LAN as "machine to machine". Do you have two or more PCs on the LAN? If not, then skip this, but if you do, then take a look at each of their network adapters. Are they all Gigabit-capable? If so, you're hamstringing them by connecting them to a 100BT interface on your router. You could potentially greatly increase the file transfer speed between PCs by connecting them to a Gigabit switch. To complete the Internet portion, you'd connect one port on the Gig switch to one port on your current router. That would make LAN transfers much faster than they are now, without affecting your Internet speed. Above, when you say, "Both routers are capable of 100", that's just annoying. For the Nth time, you don't have two routers. You have one modem and one router. |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:11:44 -0000, Paul wrote: Steven Watkins wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit wrote: "Paul" wrote in message news Steven Watkins wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote: The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer? Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre. The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which, er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP. Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user. So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP. Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected, instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach modem. https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590 It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this - http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem I have that too. All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off. As does mine. The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack I'm getting dizzy. What's with all the 10/100BT ports ? :-\ 802.11n 2x2 (2.4 GHz) (b/g/n). What is this, 1970 ? Something in this picture... just... isn't... needed. Or should be re-sold/re-gifted on Ebay or something. I've seen other ISPs do this stuff too. Offer a super-high-speed service, then rent customers equipment with 4 ports of the 10/100BT persuasion. I suppose it's no worse than the first broadband service I got here. Where the provider said to use a separate software package to terminate PPPOE, with the usual couple of crashes per evening (the OS at the time, didn't support PPPOE termination itself). I had to fork out on a home router, to stop the crashing. Even that router wasn't all that good. Today, you could buy the same router for $39.95, and the Ethernet cables cost more than the router does. And the $39.95 router is actually stable. Why can't you take the OpenReach modem, and plug a GbE switch into its one RJ45 ? At least the machine to machine network in the house would perform well. The port is labeled LAN1, so there's probably also a one-port-router in there. Not sure what you're getting at. I pay for 38 or 80 (limited to 54 by the length of copper to my house) Mbps. Both routers are capable of 100. Nothing slows anything down and they very rarely crash. --- 50 --- 50 ----- box ------------- switch ---- ^ ---- | 1000 ---- | ---- v When the ports on the switch exchange traffic between LAN devices, like file sharing between Computer1 and Computer2, that can run at GbE rates. This allows large file transfer at 112MB/sec (approximately). Any WAN traffic headed to the Internet, goes through any other bottlenecks you've got. A router can have a LAN to WAN limit (my oldest router was 3MB/sec LAN to WAN). The port choices could matter, if your service is really fast. If the "box" in the diagram had a 100BT connector, then having a 150Mbit/sec service wouldn't make sense. Wifi is worse, in that the performance isn't bounded. At least a piece of wire, has some predictability to it. Wire still has a noise floor, but the BER could be down around 10^-8 or 10^-9. I doubt Wifi is anywhere near as good. Just walking near Wifi equipment changes the transmission patterns and signal level. So the Bell fiber offering here, it promises 1.5Gbit/sec downloads. If you were transferring over 802.11AC, I doubt you'd *ever* see it that good (the whole 1.5Gbit/sec), even if you connected the antennas between boxes with coaxial cables or wave guides, and adjustable attenuators (to avoid front end overload). Paul |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 21:53:07 -0500, Paul wrote:
So the Bell fiber offering here, it promises 1.5Gbit/sec downloads. If you were transferring over 802.11AC, I doubt you'd *ever* see it that good (the whole 1.5Gbit/sec), even if you connected the antennas between boxes with coaxial cables or wave guides, and adjustable attenuators (to avoid front end overload). LOL That's awesome. That's not usually how people connect their WiFi, but I love it. |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 02:53:07 -0000, Paul wrote:
Steven Watkins wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:11:44 -0000, Paul wrote: Steven Watkins wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit wrote: "Paul" wrote in message news Steven Watkins wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote: The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer? Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre. The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which, er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP. Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user. So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP. Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ? https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2 I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected, instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach modem. https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590 It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this - http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem I have that too. All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off. As does mine. The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack I'm getting dizzy. What's with all the 10/100BT ports ? :-\ 802.11n 2x2 (2.4 GHz) (b/g/n). What is this, 1970 ? Something in this picture... just... isn't... needed. Or should be re-sold/re-gifted on Ebay or something. I've seen other ISPs do this stuff too. Offer a super-high-speed service, then rent customers equipment with 4 ports of the 10/100BT persuasion. I suppose it's no worse than the first broadband service I got here. Where the provider said to use a separate software package to terminate PPPOE, with the usual couple of crashes per evening (the OS at the time, didn't support PPPOE termination itself). I had to fork out on a home router, to stop the crashing. Even that router wasn't all that good. Today, you could buy the same router for $39.95, and the Ethernet cables cost more than the router does. And the $39.95 router is actually stable. Why can't you take the OpenReach modem, and plug a GbE switch into its one RJ45 ? At least the machine to machine network in the house would perform well. The port is labeled LAN1, so there's probably also a one-port-router in there. Not sure what you're getting at. I pay for 38 or 80 (limited to 54 by the length of copper to my house) Mbps. Both routers are capable of 100. Nothing slows anything down and they very rarely crash. --- 50 --- 50 ----- box ------------- switch ---- ^ ---- | 1000 ---- | ---- v When the ports on the switch exchange traffic between LAN devices, like file sharing between Computer1 and Computer2, that can run at GbE rates. This allows large file transfer at 112MB/sec (approximately). Any WAN traffic headed to the Internet, goes through any other bottlenecks you've got. A router can have a LAN to WAN limit (my oldest router was 3MB/sec LAN to WAN). The port choices could matter, if your service is really fast. If the "box" in the diagram had a 100BT connector, then having a 150Mbit/sec service wouldn't make sense. Wifi is worse, in that the performance isn't bounded. At least a piece of wire, has some predictability to it. Wire still has a noise floor, but the BER could be down around 10^-8 or 10^-9. I doubt Wifi is anywhere near as good. Just walking near Wifi equipment changes the transmission patterns and signal level. So the Bell fiber offering here, it promises 1.5Gbit/sec downloads. If you were transferring over 802.11AC, I doubt you'd *ever* see it that good (the whole 1.5Gbit/sec), even if you connected the antennas between boxes with coaxial cables or wave guides, and adjustable attenuators (to avoid front end overload). When I need Gigabit between computers, I buy my own Gigabit switch and plug one of the ports into the internet router. Really no need to have that as standard on the router. |
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wrote: When I need Gigabit between computers, I buy my own Gigabit switch and plug one of the ports into the internet router. Really no need to have that as standard on the router. it is when you have internet speeds of 100mbit or faster, or don't want a second box adding to clutter and a nest of cables. |
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