USB3 Hub issues. again.

Yesterday I bought a Belkin 4-port USB hub which I will return today...
It caused the strangest behavior. USB3 devices plugged into it work
fine. I no longer get reports about how things will run faster if
plugged into a USB3 connection. However... I have a wireless (bluetooth)
mouse with a tiny USB transceiver. It does not work at all in the USB3
hub. But it ALSO doesn't work properly in any other USB connection on
the machine. It is as if it is fighting with other USB devices; moving
the mouse causes nothing to happen at first and then the cursor jumps.
It's impossible to use this way. The buttons are not always recognized
either.

Any ideas other than trying a different brand?


Thanks,
Jason

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Yesterday I bought a Belkin 4-port USB hub which I will return today...
It caused the strangest behavior. USB3 devices plugged into it work
fine. I no longer get reports about how things will run faster if
plugged into a USB3 connection. However... I have a wireless (bluetooth)
mouse with a tiny USB transceiver. It does not work at all in the USB3
hub. But it ALSO doesn't work properly in any other USB connection on
the machine. It is as if it is fighting with other USB devices; moving
the mouse causes nothing to happen at first and then the cursor jumps.
It's impossible to use this way. The buttons are not always recognized
either.

Any ideas other than trying a different brand?


Thanks,
Jason

And how does it work when plugged directly into port without using the
hub? There are some devices simply don't work properly using a hub,
perhaps the mouse you have is one of them.

Another issue can be power. I assume you are using a self-powered usb
hub, e.g. it requires a power brick plugged into AC outlet to work? If
not then there's also the problem that the output from the pc can only
provide so much power (some spec) which at least when using USB2 is
easily exceeded, e.g. I have a Logitech Rumblepad uses all 500Mw. If
that's plugged into a non-self-powered hub forget about anything else is
same hub working properly.

Just 2 thoughts.

Jason wrote on 2016/02/11:

Yesterday I bought a Belkin 4-port USB hub which I will return today...
It caused the strangest behavior. USB3 devices plugged into it work
fine. I no longer get reports about how things will run faster if
plugged into a USB3 connection. However... I have a wireless (bluetooth)
mouse with a tiny USB transceiver. It does not work at all in the USB3
hub. But it ALSO doesn't work properly in any other USB connection on
the machine. It is as if it is fighting with other USB devices; moving
the mouse causes nothing to happen at first and then the cursor jumps.
It's impossible to use this way. The buttons are not always recognized
either.

So, no matter where you plugged the USB transceiver for the mouse, it
takes too long for the mouse to wakeup. That is not the fault of the
USB ports. Going to sleep (too soon) and waking up (after a long delay)
are functions encoded in the mouse. Get a different wireless mouse. If
"then the [mouse] cursor jumps" means it exhibits jerky movement all the
time then it could be where you are placing the transceiver dongle and
the mouse or whatever other adhoc networking devices you have that also
use Bluetooth that could be dumping out lots of bandwidth.

In the past, I gave up on Microsoft and Logitech wireless mice because
they took too long to wakeup. I stayed with Logitech mice. There is
still a pause before the mouse becomes responsive after it went to sleep
(they have to detect some movement other than a bump to know they are to
wakeup) but some wireless mice go to sleep much too fast (they are
trying to increase their battery life at the expense of usability) and
some take way too long to wakeup (you end up jerking the mouse around
the pad waiting for it to wake).

Have you yet replaced the batteries in your wireless mouse? Presumably
you already woke up the mouse before remarking that button presses were
missed. Low batteries make a wireless mouse (and keyboard) very flaky.

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Jason writes:
Yesterday I bought a Belkin 4-port USB hub which I will return today...
It caused the strangest behavior. USB3 devices plugged into it work
fine. I no longer get reports about how things will run faster if
plugged into a USB3 connection. However... I have a wireless (bluetooth)
mouse with a tiny USB transceiver. It does not work at all in the USB3

Are you sure it's Bluetooth?

hub. But it ALSO doesn't work properly in any other USB connection on
the machine. It is as if it is fighting with other USB devices; moving
the mouse causes nothing to happen at first and then the cursor jumps.
It's impossible to use this way. The buttons are not always recognized
either.

Any ideas other than trying a different brand?


Thanks,
Jason

At a guess, the mouse is clashing with some other device in the vicinity
that uses the same wireless frequencies.

It wasn't clear from the above whether the mouse only behaves this way
when you are plugging it into the hub, or whether it always behaves that
way (i. e. the hub's behaviour and the mouse's behaviour are separate
problems).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

`Where a calculator on the Eniac is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and
weighs
30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and perhaps
weigh 1.5 tons.' Popular Mechanics, March 1949 (quoted in Computing 1999-12-16)

Jason wrote:
Yesterday I bought a Belkin 4-port USB hub which I will return today...
It caused the strangest behavior. USB3 devices plugged into it work
fine. I no longer get reports about how things will run faster if
plugged into a USB3 connection. However... I have a wireless (bluetooth)
mouse with a tiny USB transceiver. It does not work at all in the USB3
hub. But it ALSO doesn't work properly in any other USB connection on
the machine. It is as if it is fighting with other USB devices; moving
the mouse causes nothing to happen at first and then the cursor jumps.
It's impossible to use this way. The buttons are not always recognized
either.

Any ideas other than trying a different brand?


Thanks,
Jason


Interaction between USB3 RF emissions at 2.4GHz and the
Bluetooth dongle at 2.4GHz.

Move the Bluetooth mouse and dongle, away physically from
the USB3 hub and USB3 cable connecting the hub from
host to hub.

Bluetooth uses frequency hopping.

But USB3 cables emit broadly at 2.4GHz, covering
all the frequency buckets. Even if Bluetooth hops
at 1200 times a second, no bucket is usable.

Intel recommends better shielding on peripherals. There is a
report on the Intel site with details.

http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www...ence-paper.pdf

Paul

On 2/11/2016 9:36 AM, Jason wrote:
Yesterday I bought a Belkin 4-port USB hub which I will return today...
It caused the strangest behavior. USB3 devices plugged into it work
fine. I no longer get reports about how things will run faster if
plugged into a USB3 connection. However... I have a wireless (bluetooth)
mouse with a tiny USB transceiver. It does not work at all in the USB3
hub. But it ALSO doesn't work properly in any other USB connection on
the machine. It is as if it is fighting with other USB devices; moving
the mouse causes nothing to happen at first and then the cursor jumps.
It's impossible to use this way. The buttons are not always recognized
either.

Any ideas other than trying a different brand?


Thanks,
Jason


The transceiver might be powered through its USB connection, but the
mouse depends on a battery. That is why I use only a wired mouse.

--
David E. Ross

Pharmaceutical companies claim their drug prices are
so high because they have to recover the costs of developing
those drugs. Two questions:

1. Why is the U.S. paying the entire cost of development while
prices for the same drugs in other nations are much lower?

2. Manufacturers of generic drugs did not have those
development costs. Why are they charging so much for generics?

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:36:36 -0500 "Jason"
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Yesterday I bought a Belkin 4-port USB hub which I will return today...
It caused the strangest behavior. USB3 devices plugged into it work
fine. I no longer get reports about how things will run faster if
plugged into a USB3 connection. However... I have a wireless (bluetooth)
mouse with a tiny USB transceiver. It does not work at all in the USB3
hub. But it ALSO doesn't work properly in any other USB connection on
the machine. It is as if it is fighting with other USB devices; moving
the mouse causes nothing to happen at first and then the cursor jumps.
It's impossible to use this way. The buttons are not always recognized
either.

Any ideas other than trying a different brand?


Thanks,
Jason

Thanks for all the responses. The mouse has fresh batteries. It worked
plugged into a USB2 hub or directly into a motherboard socket. The
erratic behavior looks like the mouse is competing for some USB resource
and losing most of the time...

BUT... (covers face in shame) I discovered today that I had attached the
hub to a USB2(!) port on the back end of the computer. There is only one
USB3 port there (another atop the case) and plenty of USB2 ports. I was
*sure* I plugged the hub into the only 3 port on the back. I was wrong.
Sorry to lead everybody down this path :-(

With the hub hooked to a USB3 port, all's well. (Now, why won't my SDR
dongle work in a USB3 port? Not a question for this group! lol)

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But USB3 cables emit broadly at 2.4GHz, covering
all the frequency buckets. Even if Bluetooth hops
at 1200 times a second, no bucket is usable.

Intel recommends better shielding on peripherals. There is a
report on the Intel site with details.

http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www...ence-paper.pdf

I have a room full of radios as well as computers. I think that I am
single-handedly keeping several manufacturers of ferrite chokes in
busines...