BOO! HP Printers

On 2/6/2016 4:33 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , PAS writes:
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One reason I'm partial to Epson printers is the availability of 3rd
party ink cartridges that are far cheaper than OEM cartridges. I don't

What proportion of them refuse to work (or rather does the printer
refuse to work with), though? One _can_ in theory demand a refund from
the cartridge supplier, but if bought on price, they're so cheap it's
debatable whether it's worth it. (Which, of course, is I'm sure what
the dealers rely on to a great extent.)

Very, very few of the cartridges I buy work. There are "better" third
party cartridges. I consider the cartridges from ink4art.com to be very
good while I can get cheaper ones from supermediastore.com under their
Linkyo brand. Two of those Linkyo cartridges failed, they replaced them
without a problem, all I needed to do was contact them and they sent new
ones. I've never had a cartridge from in4art.com fail.

print anything that's "critical" like photos that would require the

Me neither.

best inks. The new Epson ecotank printers are nice, it's about time
a printer manufacturer made a printer that uses refillable tanks
rather than having to replace cartridges. They aren't cheap, though.

Hadn't heard of those. Have just looked; the bottles look rather tiny
to me, and EPSON themselves only claim 70% saving, which (assuming
they're starting from the price of EPSON cartridges) still isn't
cheap. (Though I guess the alternative suppliers will be selling
bottles, hopefully bigger ones.)

I would, lie you, think it's only a matter of time before there are 3rd
party ink bottles available. Those ecotank printers are certainly
expensive.

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:23:59 -0700, Jeff Barnett
wrote:

PAS wrote on 2/3/2016 10:18 AM:
On 2/3/2016 12:11 PM, Pfsszxt wrote:
Recently bought and installed new "all in one" HP printer.
It claimed to have a "scan to e-mail" feature which was
one reason I chose it (to send photos to family, friends, etc.
So, I installed and tried to use said feature. Claimed it
couldn't find any e-mail client. Finally, I was able to get a
person in their "help" group.
It turns out, this HP printer "feature" only works if I
have Outlook installed on my computer! It won't even use the
on-line access to Outlook! No such info was previously given!
How's that for getting in bed with MS?

The help desk rep may be mistaken. I think this feature will work with
any email client that you have installed on your computer, such as
Thunderbird. There must be an email client installed on the computer
but I don't think that limits you only to Outlook.

I have used TB for a long time and have had an Canon 8800F for what
seems forever. It will not hook up with TB either. It seems that MS
provides some standard for a scanner and a mail program that Mozilla
hasn't bothered with. I'm not sure if this capability is part of the WIA
protocol or something else. The point of this is that it isn't just HP
that doesn't get it right.

I seem to recall that the right click menu on windows XP, or perhaps
2000 listed a "send to email" choice that could be configured to
almost ANY email system. And with the next windows update/sp or
something, that went away and ONLY Outlook was supported after that. I
know I used to be able to click and send to my Yahoo web mail and
after the update it stopped working and something I read at the time
said MS have removed the capability for security reasons or some such.

On 2/6/2016 6:57 PM, Paul wrote:



Posting style and information content.
Bordering on trolling.

I'd give a link on "How To Post", but you
wouldn't read it :-)

We have to play "20 questions" with you,
to get enough info to help you. For example,
in this post, you finally admitted what the
printer make and model was. Allowing me to find
information that printer cartridges are available
separately (you can buy just a black cartridge if
you need it). This is information that should go
in the first post, not the 20th post.

HTH,
Paul

My original bitch, (which has since wandered all over the place
with responses) was that a named printer company (HP --printer model
size color, etc irrelevant)) would require a specific (expensive) piece
of Microsoft software in order to function properly.

Pfsszxt wrote in :

My original bitch, (which has since wandered all over the place
with responses) was that a named printer company (HP --printer
model size color, etc irrelevant)) would require a specific
(expensive) piece of Microsoft software in order to function
properly.

Which, as it turned out was an unwarrented complaint. As did your
one about the ink cartridges.

Pfsszxt wrote:
My original bitch, (which has since wandered all over the place with
responses) was that a named printer company (HP --printer model size
color, etc irrelevant)) would require a specific (expensive) piece of
Microsoft software in order to function properly.

But I don't believe that to be correct, based on the printer's manual,
which acquisition required knowing the modelno.

AND...

.... it was /necessary/ to have THAT printer manual in order to rebut
your contention that HP support asserted that Outlook *specifically* was
required in order to scan and email a .pdf/.jpg attachment using 'direct
to email client' function of the OS configuration.

You have a funky email arrangement with your AOL software configuration.
That can't work in the manner that a conventional client such as Tb or
OL can work.

The HP manual refers to your 'email software', but they weren't
expecting your 'email software' to be an AOL webmail software.

--
Mike Easter

In message , Mike Easter
writes:
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AND...

... it was /necessary/ to have THAT printer manual in order to rebut
your contention that HP support asserted that Outlook *specifically*
was required in order to scan and email a .pdf/.jpg attachment using
'direct to email client' function of the OS configuration.

No, there's no way you can rebut what HP support told him. You can
indeed say that (at least it appears from the manual) the particular
printer's driver _in fact_ doesn't require Outlook, but you can't prove
HP support didn't say it did - it's not unknown for support to be wildly
wrong (-:!

You have a funky email arrangement with your AOL software
configuration. That can't work in the manner that a conventional
client such as Tb or OL can work.

Indeed. Certainly if it's webmail, and possibly even older AOL software
if that works in an unusual way.

The HP manual refers to your 'email software', but they weren't
expecting your 'email software' to be an AOL webmail software.

Indeed.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

We've reach the point where 'polluter pays' means 'may hand out some
brooms for others to clear up the mess in their living rooms'.
- Jim Lesurf in uk.tech.broadcast, 2013-2-21
(about spectrum, but true in general)

On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 15:02:29 -0500, Paul wrote:

So they're available as a few different SKUs (Stock Keeping Units).

I never knew that before!!