Two clicks to select something?

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:39:23 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:33:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:28:27 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:


Another stupid thing Office does - if I highlight some text, then go to another program, the highlight vanishes! What part of multitasking doesn't Microsoft understand?


It's not Office that does that, it's Windows. The same thing will
happen with any two programs.

Wrong. Opera Mail allows the highlight to stay in place, as it should.



I don't know Opera Mail, but if you found a counter-example to what I
said, I'll believe you.

Nevertheless my point that it is not Office that does that *is*
correct. If it's not *any* two programs, it's very close to any two
programs, whether or not they are part of Microsoft Office. There may
even be other counter-example; I don't know, but if there are, they
aren't many. I've tried doing this with many pairs of programs. The
same thing has happened with all of them. It's Windows doing it, not
Office.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:17:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:39:23 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:33:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:28:27 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:


Another stupid thing Office does - if I highlight some text, then go to another program, the highlight vanishes! What part of multitasking doesn't Microsoft understand?


It's not Office that does that, it's Windows. The same thing will
happen with any two programs.

Wrong. Opera Mail allows the highlight to stay in place, as it should.



I don't know Opera Mail, but if you found a counter-example to what I
said, I'll believe you.

Nevertheless my point that it is not Office that does that *is*
correct. If it's not *any* two programs, it's very close to any two
programs, whether or not they are part of Microsoft Office. There may
even be other counter-example; I don't know, but if there are, they
aren't many. I've tried doing this with many pairs of programs. The
same thing has happened with all of them. It's Windows doing it, not
Office.

I have only ever observed it with Microsoft applications.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:26:23 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:17:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:39:23 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:33:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:28:27 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:


Another stupid thing Office does - if I highlight some text, then go to another program, the highlight vanishes! What part of multitasking doesn't Microsoft understand?


It's not Office that does that, it's Windows. The same thing will
happen with any two programs.

Wrong. Opera Mail allows the highlight to stay in place, as it should.



I don't know Opera Mail, but if you found a counter-example to what I
said, I'll believe you.

Nevertheless my point that it is not Office that does that *is*
correct. If it's not *any* two programs, it's very close to any two
programs, whether or not they are part of Microsoft Office. There may
even be other counter-example; I don't know, but if there are, they
aren't many. I've tried doing this with many pairs of programs. The
same thing has happened with all of them. It's Windows doing it, not
Office.

I have only ever observed it with Microsoft applications.


Two points:

1. "Microsoft applications" is not the same thing as Microsoft Office,
which is what you said in your original post.

2. Try it with other applications that are not from Microsoft. You'll
see the same thing, if not in all applications, in the great majority
of them.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 22:55:10 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:26:23 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:17:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:39:23 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:33:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:28:27 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:


Another stupid thing Office does - if I highlight some text, then go to another program, the highlight vanishes! What part of multitasking doesn't Microsoft understand?


It's not Office that does that, it's Windows. The same thing will
happen with any two programs.

Wrong. Opera Mail allows the highlight to stay in place, as it should.



I don't know Opera Mail, but if you found a counter-example to what I
said, I'll believe you.

Nevertheless my point that it is not Office that does that *is*
correct. If it's not *any* two programs, it's very close to any two
programs, whether or not they are part of Microsoft Office. There may
even be other counter-example; I don't know, but if there are, they
aren't many. I've tried doing this with many pairs of programs. The
same thing has happened with all of them. It's Windows doing it, not
Office.

I have only ever observed it with Microsoft applications.


Two points:

1. "Microsoft applications" is not the same thing as Microsoft Office,
which is what you said in your original post.

I said it because it's the one that annoys me most. Wordpad not so much.

And.... you claimed it happens with any two programs. Which is clearly false.

2. Try it with other applications that are not from Microsoft. You'll
see the same thing, if not in all applications, in the great majority
of them.

Bull****. I've never seen it in ANY non-=Microsoft program.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 23:12:49 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 22:55:10 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:26:23 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:17:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:39:23 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:33:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:28:27 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:


Another stupid thing Office does - if I highlight some text, then go to another program, the highlight vanishes! What part of multitasking doesn't Microsoft understand?


It's not Office that does that, it's Windows. The same thing will
happen with any two programs.

Wrong. Opera Mail allows the highlight to stay in place, as it should.



I don't know Opera Mail, but if you found a counter-example to what I
said, I'll believe you.

Nevertheless my point that it is not Office that does that *is*
correct. If it's not *any* two programs, it's very close to any two
programs, whether or not they are part of Microsoft Office. There may
even be other counter-example; I don't know, but if there are, they
aren't many. I've tried doing this with many pairs of programs. The
same thing has happened with all of them. It's Windows doing it, not
Office.

I have only ever observed it with Microsoft applications.


Two points:

1. "Microsoft applications" is not the same thing as Microsoft Office,
which is what you said in your original post.

I said it because it's the one that annoys me most.


Say things that are demonstrably false because they annoy you the
most? Your choice of course, but when you do things like that, don't
expect to be believed.


Wordpad not so much.


To test what you claim, I just opened WordPad, typed a few words in
it, them selected some of them. I then went to my default browser,
FireFox, then came back to WordPad. The words were still selected.

That's different from what I expected to happen, since I said I
expected that not to happen in most pairs of programs. But it's also
the opposite of what you just said happens with WordPad.

Don't believe what I say. Try it yourself.


And.... you claimed it happens with any two programs. Which is clearly false.



Sigh. You said that before and I replied "if you found a
counter-example to what I said, I'll believe you."


2. Try it with other applications that are not from Microsoft. You'll
see the same thing, if not in all applications, in the great majority
of them.

Bull****. I've never seen it in ANY non-=Microsoft program.


Then you haven't tried any. As I said, it's true of the great majority
of programs, Microsoft or not.

But believe what you want. I'm done with this thread and I won't reply
to you any more. You don't want to believe the truth and that's fine
with me. I don't care what you believe. Believe what you want.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 00:55:33 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 23:12:49 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 22:55:10 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:26:23 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:17:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:39:23 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:33:12 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:28:27 +0100, "Oversized giraffe"
wrote:


Another stupid thing Office does - if I highlight some text, then go to another program, the highlight vanishes! What part of multitasking doesn't Microsoft understand?


It's not Office that does that, it's Windows. The same thing will
happen with any two programs.

Wrong. Opera Mail allows the highlight to stay in place, as it should.



I don't know Opera Mail, but if you found a counter-example to what I
said, I'll believe you.

Nevertheless my point that it is not Office that does that *is*
correct. If it's not *any* two programs, it's very close to any two
programs, whether or not they are part of Microsoft Office. There may
even be other counter-example; I don't know, but if there are, they
aren't many. I've tried doing this with many pairs of programs. The
same thing has happened with all of them. It's Windows doing it, not
Office.

I have only ever observed it with Microsoft applications.

Two points:

1. "Microsoft applications" is not the same thing as Microsoft Office,
which is what you said in your original post.

I said it because it's the one that annoys me most.

Say things that are demonstrably false because they annoy you the
most? Your choice of course, but when you do things like that, don't
expect to be believed.

That's not what I said. Jesus Christ you're not too good at understanding basic English are you?

Wordpad not so much.



Why all these blank lines?

To test what you claim, I just opened WordPad, typed a few words in
it, them selected some of them. I then went to my default browser,
FireFox, then came back to WordPad. The words were still selected.

That's different from what I expected to happen, since I said I
expected that not to happen in most pairs of programs. But it's also
the opposite of what you just said happens with WordPad.

Don't believe what I say. Try it yourself.

We're not talking about the same thing, as you didn't read my original post properly. ALL programs remember the highlight, I'm talking about ****while you're in the other program****.

2. Try it with other applications that are not from Microsoft. You'll
see the same thing, if not in all applications, in the great majority
of them.

Bull****. I've never seen it in ANY non-=Microsoft program.


Then you haven't tried any. As I said, it's true of the great majority
of programs, Microsoft or not.

But believe what you want. I'm done with this thread and I won't reply
to you any more. You don't want to believe the truth and that's fine
with me. I don't care what you believe. Believe what you want.

You silly little pathetic child. You reply to every one of my points THEN tell me you're not going to talk any more. Had to get the last word in didn't you? Why not tell me you've had enough of the conversation AT THE START!?

On 10/22/2018 11:46 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why does Microsoft insist (in say Microsoft Office) that if you are
using another program, then click somewhere in Excel, that all it does
is change to Excel and not actually do what you clicked?* Every other
piece of software actually does what I tell it to the first time.

HUH? Clicking the Excel icon isn't a command for Excel to do anything.
It simply brings up Excel. What do you expect Excel to do? You haven't
given it a command.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:41:26 -0000, Mathedman wrote:

On 10/22/2018 11:46 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why does Microsoft insist (in say Microsoft Office) that if you are
using another program, then click somewhere in Excel, that all it does
is change to Excel and not actually do what you clicked? Every other
piece of software actually does what I tell it to the first time.

HUH? Clicking the Excel icon isn't a command for Excel to do anything.
It simply brings up Excel. What do you expect Excel to do? You haven't
given it a command.

I never said I clicked the icon. I'm clicking on part of the spreadsheet, say to select a cell. But it doesn't acknowledge it until the SECOND click.

Undersized hippopotamus wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:41:26 -0000, Mathedman
wrote:

On 10/22/2018 11:46 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why does Microsoft insist (in say Microsoft Office) that if you are
using another program, then click somewhere in Excel, that all it does
is change to Excel and not actually do what you clicked? Every other
piece of software actually does what I tell it to the first time.

HUH? Clicking the Excel icon isn't a command for Excel to do anything.
It simply brings up Excel. What do you expect Excel to do? You haven't
given it a command.

I never said I clicked the icon. I'm clicking on part of the
spreadsheet, say to select a cell. But it doesn't acknowledge it until
the SECOND click.

You have several test cases you can carry out.

1) Click on body of spreadsheet, to give "focus".

2) Click on title bar of spreadsheet, to give "focus".
This potentially avoids changing application state.

3) Use alt-tab to select a window for "focus", without
clicking.

I tried opening Notepad, Wordpad, and Firefox, and the
selection in each was maintained in some quick tests. No
selection dropped as a function of changing one window
from having focus, to the next. (All three tools had text
selected ; all three tools kept their selection as the
windows were rotated.)

On Firefox, the selection text loses the white highlight color
when the window loses the focus. But this is a Firefox
affectation and not something Windows did. When Firefox
again is the "front window" (has the focus), the selection
white color is still there.

I don't have any modern copies of MS Office to test with.

Paul

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:13:16 -0000, Paul wrote:

Undersized hippopotamus wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:41:26 -0000, Mathedman
wrote:

On 10/22/2018 11:46 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why does Microsoft insist (in say Microsoft Office) that if you are
using another program, then click somewhere in Excel, that all it does
is change to Excel and not actually do what you clicked? Every other
piece of software actually does what I tell it to the first time.

HUH? Clicking the Excel icon isn't a command for Excel to do anything.
It simply brings up Excel. What do you expect Excel to do? You haven't
given it a command.

I never said I clicked the icon. I'm clicking on part of the
spreadsheet, say to select a cell. But it doesn't acknowledge it until
the SECOND click.

You have several test cases you can carry out.

1) Click on body of spreadsheet, to give "focus".

2) Click on title bar of spreadsheet, to give "focus".
This potentially avoids changing application state.

3) Use alt-tab to select a window for "focus", without
clicking.

I tried opening Notepad, Wordpad, and Firefox, and the
selection in each was maintained in some quick tests. No
selection dropped as a function of changing one window
from having focus, to the next. (All three tools had text
selected ; all three tools kept their selection as the
windows were rotated.)

The selection is never lost, it's just not displayed while that application is not in focus.

On Firefox, the selection text loses the white highlight color
when the window loses the focus. But this is a Firefox
affectation and not something Windows did. When Firefox
again is the "front window" (has the focus), the selection
white color is still there.

This above paragraph is my problem. Applications that think I only want the highlight when they are in focus.

I don't have any modern copies of MS Office to test with.

I think every version has the same bug.