help with pagefile

I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D drive,
should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is not
partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

Tim

Frequently users loosely describe partitions as a "drive". Please
clarify what you mean by drive?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning

How much RAM is installed?

Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance
Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak?


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:
I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D drive,
should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is not
partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

Tim

Frequently users loosely describe partitions as a "drive". Please
clarify what you mean by drive?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning

How much RAM is installed?

Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance
Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak?


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:
I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D drive,
should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is not
partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

On Jun 11, 9:09*pm, timOleary wrote:
I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D drive,
should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is not
partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

I have 4 gig of RAM now.
currently 1536 to 3072
recommended 4606
Hope this is the information you requested
Thanks

On Jun 11, 9:09*pm, timOleary wrote:
I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D drive,
should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is not
partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

I have 4 gig of RAM now.
currently 1536 to 3072
recommended 4606
Hope this is the information you requested
Thanks

Tim

You may have installed 4 gb of RAM but a 32 bit system will not
recognise 4 gb because it does not have sufficient address spaces.
Typically between 2.8 and 3.2 gb is recognised.

You will encounter differing opinions on pagefile settings. Most people
let Windows manage the pagefile but I prefer to set minimum = maximum
pagefile file settings. I cannot see the point in using a lower minimum
figure.

Placing the pagefile in a dedicated first partition is preferable. Make
it 4,636 given the ample free disk space available. You need to retain a
50 mb pagefile on C to allow for memory dumps and other requirements.

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:
On Jun 11, 9:09 pm, timOleary wrote:
I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D
drive, should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is
not partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

I have 4 gig of RAM now.
currently 1536 to 3072
recommended 4606
Hope this is the information you requested
Thanks

Tim

You may have installed 4 gb of RAM but a 32 bit system will not
recognise 4 gb because it does not have sufficient address spaces.
Typically between 2.8 and 3.2 gb is recognised.

You will encounter differing opinions on pagefile settings. Most people
let Windows manage the pagefile but I prefer to set minimum = maximum
pagefile file settings. I cannot see the point in using a lower minimum
figure.

Placing the pagefile in a dedicated first partition is preferable. Make
it 4,636 given the ample free disk space available. You need to retain a
50 mb pagefile on C to allow for memory dumps and other requirements.

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:
On Jun 11, 9:09 pm, timOleary wrote:
I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D
drive, should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is
not partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

I have 4 gig of RAM now.
currently 1536 to 3072
recommended 4606
Hope this is the information you requested
Thanks

"timOleary" wrote in message
...
I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D drive,
should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is not
partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks


Tim

Unless you have two separate physical drives, leave the pagefile on C and
let the system manage it..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

"timOleary" wrote in message
...
I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D drive,
should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is not
partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks


Tim

Unless you have two separate physical drives, leave the pagefile on C and
let the system manage it..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

On Jun 12, 9:07*am, "Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:
"timOleary" wrote in message

...



I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D drive,
should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is not
partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

Tim

Unless you have two separate physical drives, leave the pagefile on C and
let the system manage it..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experiencehttp://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Sorry for not answering the drive question. I have a C and a D drive
(two separate physical drives).
The existing page file is where Windows placed it.
And my question was how I should alter the pagefile size on C, and
What parameters I should set for the additional pagefile on the D
drive. And is it necessary to partition the D drive and place the
pagefile in there, or just put it on the d drive?

BTW: I know that my 32 bit system does not fully utilize the $G of
RAM.
Thanks for the feedback

On Jun 12, 9:07*am, "Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:
"timOleary" wrote in message

...



I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D drive,
should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is not
partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

Tim

Unless you have two separate physical drives, leave the pagefile on C and
let the system manage it..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experiencehttp://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Sorry for not answering the drive question. I have a C and a D drive
(two separate physical drives).
The existing page file is where Windows placed it.
And my question was how I should alter the pagefile size on C, and
What parameters I should set for the additional pagefile on the D
drive. And is it necessary to partition the D drive and place the
pagefile in there, or just put it on the d drive?

BTW: I know that my 32 bit system does not fully utilize the $G of
RAM.
Thanks for the feedback

Tim

You will get two replies. One from each side of the pagefile debate.

As I understand it the the quickest read / write speeds are at the
beginning of the drive. If you do not partition the pagefile it will be
placed in the middle of the drive. With nothing on the disk you can
reformat and partition the disk without third party tools. Once the
drive is populated you cannot partition non-destructively without third
party tools, so if you are going to partition, it is best to do it now.

If you do not partition, a fixed size pagefile will be positioned in the
middle of the drive, where read / write speeds are slower. If you opt
for a windows managed pagefile that will work until the disk goes below
60% free disk space. At this point the pagefile will start to fragment
free disk space and file fragmentation becomes more problematic. It
becomes increasingly more difficult to create a single contiguous
pagefile where there is less than 50% free disk space. Another argument
for a fixed size pagefile.

Create a generous dedicated pagefile partiton now and you can forget
the impact of pagefile fragmentation for the life of your drives. As a
consequence defragmentation of the second partition takes less time than
it would if you had a windows managed pagefile. Moving the pagefile to a
dedicated partition on the second drive will also reduce the time it
takes to defragment the first drive. However, do not forget to leave a
50 mb minimum = maximum pagefile on C to accomodate the needs of the
system.

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


timOleary wrote:
On Jun 12, 9:07 am, "Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:
"timOleary" wrote in message

...



I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D
drive, should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is
not partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

Tim

Unless you have two separate physical drives, leave the pagefile on
C and let the system manage it..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experiencehttp://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Sorry for not answering the drive question. I have a C and a D drive
(two separate physical drives).
The existing page file is where Windows placed it.
And my question was how I should alter the pagefile size on C, and
What parameters I should set for the additional pagefile on the D
drive. And is it necessary to partition the D drive and place the
pagefile in there, or just put it on the d drive?

BTW: I know that my 32 bit system does not fully utilize the $G of
RAM.
Thanks for the feedback

Tim

You will get two replies. One from each side of the pagefile debate.

As I understand it the the quickest read / write speeds are at the
beginning of the drive. If you do not partition the pagefile it will be
placed in the middle of the drive. With nothing on the disk you can
reformat and partition the disk without third party tools. Once the
drive is populated you cannot partition non-destructively without third
party tools, so if you are going to partition, it is best to do it now.

If you do not partition, a fixed size pagefile will be positioned in the
middle of the drive, where read / write speeds are slower. If you opt
for a windows managed pagefile that will work until the disk goes below
60% free disk space. At this point the pagefile will start to fragment
free disk space and file fragmentation becomes more problematic. It
becomes increasingly more difficult to create a single contiguous
pagefile where there is less than 50% free disk space. Another argument
for a fixed size pagefile.

Create a generous dedicated pagefile partiton now and you can forget
the impact of pagefile fragmentation for the life of your drives. As a
consequence defragmentation of the second partition takes less time than
it would if you had a windows managed pagefile. Moving the pagefile to a
dedicated partition on the second drive will also reduce the time it
takes to defragment the first drive. However, do not forget to leave a
50 mb minimum = maximum pagefile on C to accomodate the needs of the
system.

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


timOleary wrote:
On Jun 12, 9:07 am, "Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:
"timOleary" wrote in message

...



I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D
drive, should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is
not partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

Tim

Unless you have two separate physical drives, leave the pagefile on
C and let the system manage it..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experiencehttp://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Sorry for not answering the drive question. I have a C and a D drive
(two separate physical drives).
The existing page file is where Windows placed it.
And my question was how I should alter the pagefile size on C, and
What parameters I should set for the additional pagefile on the D
drive. And is it necessary to partition the D drive and place the
pagefile in there, or just put it on the d drive?

BTW: I know that my 32 bit system does not fully utilize the $G of
RAM.
Thanks for the feedback

On Jun 13, 2:00*am, "Gerry" wrote:
Tim

You will get two replies. One from each side of the pagefile debate.

As I understand it the the quickest read / write speeds are at the
beginning of the drive. If you do not partition the pagefile it will be
placed in the middle of the drive. With nothing on the disk you can
reformat *and partition the disk without third party tools. Once the
drive is populated you cannot partition non-destructively without third
party tools, so if you are going to partition, it is best to do it now.

If you do not partition, a fixed size pagefile will be positioned in the
middle of the drive, where read / write speeds are slower. If you opt
for a windows managed pagefile that will work until the disk goes below
60% free disk space. At this point the pagefile will start to fragment
free disk space and file fragmentation becomes more problematic. It
becomes increasingly more difficult to create a single contiguous
pagefile *where there is less than 50% free disk space. Another argument
for a fixed size pagefile.

Create a generous dedicated pagefile partiton now and you *can forget
the impact of pagefile fragmentation for the life of your drives. As a
consequence defragmentation of the second partition takes less time than
it would if you had a windows managed pagefile. Moving the pagefile to a
dedicated partition on the second drive will also reduce the time it
takes to defragment the first drive. However, do not forget to leave a
50 mb minimum = maximum pagefile on C to accomodate the needs of the
system.

--

Hope *this helps.

Gerry
*~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:
On Jun 12, 9:07 am, "Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:
"timOleary" wrote in message

....

I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D
drive, should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is
not partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

Tim

Unless you have two separate physical drives, leave the pagefile on
C and let the system manage it..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experiencehttp://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Sorry for not answering the drive question. I have a C and a D drive
(two separate physical drives).
The existing page file is where Windows placed it.
And my question was how I should alter the pagefile size on C, and
What parameters I should set for the additional pagefile on the D
drive. And is it necessary to partition the D drive and place the
pagefile in there, or just put it on the d drive?

BTW: I know that my 32 bit system does not fully utilize the $G of
RAM.
Thanks for the feedback

This information is what I was after, and your explanation was clear
and I concur.
Thanks
The Microsoft help article I found on pagefiles was not clear to me
regarding the partition issue for the D drive.
I will definitely partition the D drive. How big a partition would you
recommend?
Can you offer some suggestions as to parameters for the two pagefiles?
I can see what Windows recommends, but I think the parameters shown as
assuming a single page file on the C drive. Does it also make sense to
cosnsider partitioning the C drive and placing the pagefile in its own
place? I would not do that in the foreseeable future.
Thanks again

On Jun 13, 2:00*am, "Gerry" wrote:
Tim

You will get two replies. One from each side of the pagefile debate.

As I understand it the the quickest read / write speeds are at the
beginning of the drive. If you do not partition the pagefile it will be
placed in the middle of the drive. With nothing on the disk you can
reformat *and partition the disk without third party tools. Once the
drive is populated you cannot partition non-destructively without third
party tools, so if you are going to partition, it is best to do it now.

If you do not partition, a fixed size pagefile will be positioned in the
middle of the drive, where read / write speeds are slower. If you opt
for a windows managed pagefile that will work until the disk goes below
60% free disk space. At this point the pagefile will start to fragment
free disk space and file fragmentation becomes more problematic. It
becomes increasingly more difficult to create a single contiguous
pagefile *where there is less than 50% free disk space. Another argument
for a fixed size pagefile.

Create a generous dedicated pagefile partiton now and you *can forget
the impact of pagefile fragmentation for the life of your drives. As a
consequence defragmentation of the second partition takes less time than
it would if you had a windows managed pagefile. Moving the pagefile to a
dedicated partition on the second drive will also reduce the time it
takes to defragment the first drive. However, do not forget to leave a
50 mb minimum = maximum pagefile on C to accomodate the needs of the
system.

--

Hope *this helps.

Gerry
*~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:
On Jun 12, 9:07 am, "Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:
"timOleary" wrote in message

....

I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive; initial
1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not use
much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D
drive, should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive is
not partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

Tim

Unless you have two separate physical drives, leave the pagefile on
C and let the system manage it..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experiencehttp://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Sorry for not answering the drive question. I have a C and a D drive
(two separate physical drives).
The existing page file is where Windows placed it.
And my question was how I should alter the pagefile size on C, and
What parameters I should set for the additional pagefile on the D
drive. And is it necessary to partition the D drive and place the
pagefile in there, or just put it on the d drive?

BTW: I know that my 32 bit system does not fully utilize the $G of
RAM.
Thanks for the feedback

This information is what I was after, and your explanation was clear
and I concur.
Thanks
The Microsoft help article I found on pagefiles was not clear to me
regarding the partition issue for the D drive.
I will definitely partition the D drive. How big a partition would you
recommend?
Can you offer some suggestions as to parameters for the two pagefiles?
I can see what Windows recommends, but I think the parameters shown as
assuming a single page file on the C drive. Does it also make sense to
cosnsider partitioning the C drive and placing the pagefile in its own
place? I would not do that in the foreseeable future.
Thanks again