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Network Phone???
On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:12:15 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my 2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied. Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your wireless router? Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for a tower or network. If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting. The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help you to track it down, as well. After much searching and playing with router access I find that there are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode. It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will ignore them now. That doesn't sound right. First, why would they be trying to connect to your network? What SSID are you using that they presumably know? (It's not a security issue for me to ask that or for you to answer.) Second, 'trying to connect' wouldn't (shouldn't) result in them showing up in your router's GUI anywhere. With every router that I've seen, devices show up after they have already connected, not before that. What kind of encryption did you say you were using? |
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On 5/7/2015 4:04 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:12:15 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my 2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied. Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your wireless router? Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for a tower or network. If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting. The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help you to track it down, as well. After much searching and playing with router access I find that there are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode. It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will ignore them now. That doesn't sound right. First, why would they be trying to connect to your network? What SSID are you using that they presumably know? (It's not a security issue for me to ask that or for you to answer.) Second, 'trying to connect' wouldn't (shouldn't) result in them showing up in your router's GUI anywhere. With every router that I've seen, devices show up after they have already connected, not before that. What kind of encryption did you say you were using? Hi Char, WPA2-psk- eas or close to it is my encryption. My SSID is Netgear28. When I right click these devices all I get is their MAC address, everything else is Unavailable, Which leads me to believe they are not In, they also don't show up in router access control. Best Regards, Rene |
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On Thu, 07 May 2015 16:34:50 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 5/7/2015 4:04 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:12:15 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my 2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied. Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your wireless router? Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for a tower or network. If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting. The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help you to track it down, as well. After much searching and playing with router access I find that there are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode. It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will ignore them now. That doesn't sound right. First, why would they be trying to connect to your network? What SSID are you using that they presumably know? (It's not a security issue for me to ask that or for you to answer.) Second, 'trying to connect' wouldn't (shouldn't) result in them showing up in your router's GUI anywhere. With every router that I've seen, devices show up after they have already connected, not before that. What kind of encryption did you say you were using? Hi Char, WPA2-psk- eas or close to it is my encryption. My SSID is Netgear28. When I right click these devices all I get is their MAC address, everything else is Unavailable, Which leads me to believe they are not In, they also don't show up in router access control. Ok, if you're happy, then I'm happy. Personally, if it were me, I wouldn't be satisfied. WPA2-PSK is fairly secure, but it can be hacked if a person is determined and if they have time on their hands. Longer passwords help here, like in the 12-20 character range and not containing dictionary words. Oh, and the time requirement can be cut by over 90% if a person is inclined to enlist the services of organizations that pre-compute the password. You, as a hacker, capture a set of handshake packets, send them in along with the SSID and your payment, and they send you back the password. WPS, if your router has it, was completely broken in a certain generation of consumer routers. Essentially, routers with the WPS vulnerability will happily hand over their WiFi password upon request, and to make things worse, some routers provided a GUI option to disable WPS that turned out to do nothing at all, so WPS appeared to be off but was still happily handing out the WiFi password to hackers, so be sure you're running a firmware version that plugs that hole. If your router has the WPS vulnerability, password length doesn't help at all. Or maybe there's nothing to worry about. ;-) |
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On 5/7/2015 5:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 16:34:50 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/7/2015 4:04 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:12:15 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my 2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied. Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your wireless router? Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for a tower or network. If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting. The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help you to track it down, as well. After much searching and playing with router access I find that there are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode. It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will ignore them now. That doesn't sound right. First, why would they be trying to connect to your network? What SSID are you using that they presumably know? (It's not a security issue for me to ask that or for you to answer.) Second, 'trying to connect' wouldn't (shouldn't) result in them showing up in your router's GUI anywhere. With every router that I've seen, devices show up after they have already connected, not before that. What kind of encryption did you say you were using? Hi Char, WPA2-psk- eas or close to it is my encryption. My SSID is Netgear28. When I right click these devices all I get is their MAC address, everything else is Unavailable, Which leads me to believe they are not In, they also don't show up in router access control. Ok, if you're happy, then I'm happy. Personally, if it were me, I wouldn't be satisfied. WPA2-PSK is fairly secure, but it can be hacked if a person is determined and if they have time on their hands. Longer passwords help here, like in the 12-20 character range and not containing dictionary words. Oh, and the time requirement can be cut by over 90% if a person is inclined to enlist the services of organizations that pre-compute the password. You, as a hacker, capture a set of handshake packets, send them in along with the SSID and your payment, and they send you back the password. WPS, if your router has it, was completely broken in a certain generation of consumer routers. Essentially, routers with the WPS vulnerability will happily hand over their WiFi password upon request, and to make things worse, some routers provided a GUI option to disable WPS that turned out to do nothing at all, so WPS appeared to be off but was still happily handing out the WiFi password to hackers, so be sure you're running a firmware version that plugs that hole. If your router has the WPS vulnerability, password length doesn't help at all. Or maybe there's nothing to worry about. ;-) My router is a Netgear WNDR3700v4 and it has the WPS feature which I never use, Router and Main PC on different floors. Not totally happy, it annoys me to find strangers phones trying to use the equipment and bandwidth which I pay for. Cellphones should only be allowed to clamp on to the proper towers not other peoples Systems. Regards, Rene |
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On Thu, 07 May 2015 18:04:36 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 5/7/2015 5:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 07 May 2015 16:34:50 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/7/2015 4:04 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:12:15 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my 2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied. Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your wireless router? Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for a tower or network. If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting. The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help you to track it down, as well. After much searching and playing with router access I find that there are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode. It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will ignore them now. That doesn't sound right. First, why would they be trying to connect to your network? What SSID are you using that they presumably know? (It's not a security issue for me to ask that or for you to answer.) Second, 'trying to connect' wouldn't (shouldn't) result in them showing up in your router's GUI anywhere. With every router that I've seen, devices show up after they have already connected, not before that. What kind of encryption did you say you were using? Hi Char, WPA2-psk- eas or close to it is my encryption. My SSID is Netgear28. When I right click these devices all I get is their MAC address, everything else is Unavailable, Which leads me to believe they are not In, they also don't show up in router access control. Ok, if you're happy, then I'm happy. Personally, if it were me, I wouldn't be satisfied. WPA2-PSK is fairly secure, but it can be hacked if a person is determined and if they have time on their hands. Longer passwords help here, like in the 12-20 character range and not containing dictionary words. Oh, and the time requirement can be cut by over 90% if a person is inclined to enlist the services of organizations that pre-compute the password. You, as a hacker, capture a set of handshake packets, send them in along with the SSID and your payment, and they send you back the password. WPS, if your router has it, was completely broken in a certain generation of consumer routers. Essentially, routers with the WPS vulnerability will happily hand over their WiFi password upon request, and to make things worse, some routers provided a GUI option to disable WPS that turned out to do nothing at all, so WPS appeared to be off but was still happily handing out the WiFi password to hackers, so be sure you're running a firmware version that plugs that hole. If your router has the WPS vulnerability, password length doesn't help at all. Or maybe there's nothing to worry about. ;-) My router is a Netgear WNDR3700v4 and it has the WPS feature which I never use, Router and Main PC on different floors. Just in case someone is messing with you, I would turn the feature off. It also might not be a bad idea to change the WiFi password (as well as the router's admin password), but if someone has used the WPS exploit then changing the WiFi password won't help. They'll simply request the new password and they're back in business. Not totally happy, it annoys me to find strangers phones trying to use the equipment and bandwidth which I pay for. Cellphones should only be allowed to clamp on to the proper towers not other peoples Systems. I have to say that smartphones would be *much* less useful if they couldn't use WiFi, but I get your point. |
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Am 08.05.2015 um 00:31 schrieb Char Jackson: On Thu, 07 May 2015 15:42:27 -0600, Ken1943 wrote: What's your issue with the Comcast guest scenario? I don't see any obvious issues there so I'm curious to see what you've found. I have read about Comcast "opening" their routers so anyone with a Comcast account can log in. True, but it's only with Comcast-supplied routers, (it's not available if you use your own equipment), and you can easily opt out, although I can't give a reason why a person would. I don't have Comcast, but would be very unhappy having anyone but me using it. Just on general principals. I see, thanks. I'm not aware of any security issues, performance issues, liability issues, etc. This may be true in your country. I'm writing from Germany, however, and if somebody downloads music or movies illegally using my router *I* have to prove that he somehow managed to hack it although I had a reasonably good router password and protection. This is obviously impossible if the router is open in the first place. This is the main reason why Germany is such an underdeveloped country as far as WiFi networks are concerned. |
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On Fri, 08 May 2015 12:41:47 +0200, Jonas Klein
wrote: Am 08.05.2015 um 00:31 schrieb Char Jackson: On Thu, 07 May 2015 15:42:27 -0600, Ken1943 wrote: What's your issue with the Comcast guest scenario? I don't see any obvious issues there so I'm curious to see what you've found. I have read about Comcast "opening" their routers so anyone with a Comcast account can log in. True, but it's only with Comcast-supplied routers, (it's not available if you use your own equipment), and you can easily opt out, although I can't give a reason why a person would. I don't have Comcast, but would be very unhappy having anyone but me using it. Just on general principals. I see, thanks. I'm not aware of any security issues, performance issues, liability issues, etc. This may be true in your country. Wait, you might be misunderstanding me. We're talking about a specific feature on a specific ISP. I wasn't making a general statement there. The overall situation here in the US is probably very close to what you described below for Germany. The feature in question is this. Comcast, probably the largest cable Internet provider in the US, sometimes installs combo modem/router/WiFi units that are preconfigured to allow *other* Comcast subscribers to authenticate (with their own Comcast credentials) and use the Internet access portion of the service. Since those other users have to authenticate first, they are not in any way anonymous. All of their usage ties right back to their own Comcast account. The part I was emphasizing above is that first of all this sort of guest access can be turned off, but even if it's left enabled, it doesn't impact the 'owner' of the premises because it uses different bandwidth so it doesn't affect the owner's Internet performance in any way, it doesn't allow the guest onto the owner's network, and any usage by the guest is tied back to the guest's Comcast account. All in all, I'm really not seeing a downside to leaving it enabled, except like Ken said, just on general principles. Note that Comcast's guest access is separate from,and different from, the owner setting up his or her own guest access, and all of this is different from having someone hack in. I'm writing from Germany, however, and if somebody downloads music or movies illegally using my router *I* have to prove that he somehow managed to hack it although I had a reasonably good router password and protection. This is obviously impossible if the router is open in the first place. This is the main reason why Germany is such an underdeveloped country as far as WiFi networks are concerned. It's similar here in the US, although I don't know all of the legal details. |
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To: Rene Lamontagne
Network Phone??? By: Rene Lamontagne to alt.comp.os.windows-8 on Tue May 05 2015 09:04 am No Bluetooth devices of any type. Did you create an ad hoc network using wifi? See: http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...less-ad-hoc-in terne Sorry for the thread injection. It is most likely a cellphone *poof* Mickey SynchroNET 3.15 Oxford Mills Remote @ telnet://oxfordmi.synchro.net:23 Live Music Based IRC Chat @ manning.webhop.net 6667 Living The Dream - Keeping the Blues Alive --- Synchronet 3.15b-Win32 NewsLink 1.92 Oxford Mills Remote BBS - telnet://manningfire.dyndns.org |
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Ken1943 wrote:
In your router's properties, you should also have an option to disable the SSID broadcast. This would help. I always wondered about that. How would I know which router to connect to without an SSID ? Either someone tells you the SSID, or you sniff if, because when you turn "off" SSID broadcast you're really just turning on a "shhh, don't tell anyone but my SSID is XXXXXXX" mode ... |
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