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Old September 3rd 04, 10:05 AM
Larry K.
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Default SP2 Blue Screens - Safe Mode does not. What's the Difference?

With WinXP SP1 my computer started to Blue Screen. It started very gradually
in frequency. Then As time went on It would Blue Screen about every 20
Minutes. I tried all the updated drivers from the manufacturer's web-site
and that didn't fix it.

The blue screen messages are different every time, that is, it isn't the
same error message. I can't find a common thread or fault and I can't
duplicate them. It seems to be random. Here is what I've already tried:

I tried to disable everything in the startup and I disabled all
non-essential services.

Thinking it might be an overheating problem, I placed the unit on top of an
AC vent that blows cold air into the bottom uptake vents.

I tried microsoft's memory tester. My memory passes all the tests.

I reinstalled Windows, then installed SP2 and all available windows updates.
Now when I boot in safe mode I get no more blue screens, but I do If I boot
normally. I suspect I have an intermittent failure of some hardware. Here
is my question. How do I find the drivers that are not loaded when I boot to
safe mode so I can check each one individually so I can tell which one is
failing (either hardware component or driver) ? Is there any shortcut way to
narrow it down very quickly?

I have zero applications installed right now so I know (strong suspician
actually) it must be a windows driver or hardware problem. I Know it is not
the sound card or drivers because I didn't install them, nor the TV Tuner. I
am not using the Radeon Drivers. I am instead using the plain vanilla
windows VGA driver. USB port appears to be working because the mouse works.
Does Win XP support Hyperthreading in Safe mode? What about advanced chipset
features such as power management?

Any Suggestions?
--
Larry K
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Old September 3rd 04, 10:21 AM
Larry K.
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Default SP2 Blue Screens - Safe Mode does not. What's the Difference?

I forgot to add a couple of important clues:

Safe mode w/Networking does not Blue Screen.

Before I installed SP2 (When I still had apps installed) Games would
abruptly terminate if it did not blue screen, and other apps such as IE would
pop up an error messages saying that windows had to terminate the application
and if I would like to send an error report. This is where the results
offered for me to try the memory tester.

"Larry K." wrote:

With WinXP SP1 my computer started to Blue Screen. It started very gradually
in frequency. Then As time went on It would Blue Screen about every 20
Minutes. I tried all the updated drivers from the manufacturer's web-site
and that didn't fix it.

The blue screen messages are different every time, that is, it isn't the
same error message. I can't find a common thread or fault and I can't
duplicate them. It seems to be random. Here is what I've already tried:

I tried to disable everything in the startup and I disabled all
non-essential services.

Thinking it might be an overheating problem, I placed the unit on top of an
AC vent that blows cold air into the bottom uptake vents.

I tried microsoft's memory tester. My memory passes all the tests.

I reinstalled Windows, then installed SP2 and all available windows updates.
Now when I boot in safe mode I get no more blue screens, but I do If I boot
normally. I suspect I have an intermittent failure of some hardware. Here
is my question. How do I find the drivers that are not loaded when I boot to
safe mode so I can check each one individually so I can tell which one is
failing (either hardware component or driver) ? Is there any shortcut way to
narrow it down very quickly?

I have zero applications installed right now so I know (strong suspician
actually) it must be a windows driver or hardware problem. I Know it is not
the sound card or drivers because I didn't install them, nor the TV Tuner. I
am not using the Radeon Drivers. I am instead using the plain vanilla
windows VGA driver. USB port appears to be working because the mouse works.
Does Win XP support Hyperthreading in Safe mode? What about advanced chipset
features such as power management?

Any Suggestions?
--
Larry K

  #3  
Old September 3rd 04, 10:30 AM
AnnonUser
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Default SP2 Blue Screens - Safe Mode does not. What's the Difference?

Larry K. wrote:

I forgot to add a couple of important clues:

Safe mode w/Networking does not Blue Screen.

Before I installed SP2 (When I still had apps installed) Games would
abruptly terminate if it did not blue screen, and other apps such as IE would
pop up an error messages saying that windows had to terminate the application
and if I would like to send an error report. This is where the results
offered for me to try the memory tester.

"Larry K." wrote:


With WinXP SP1 my computer started to Blue Screen. It started very gradually
in frequency. Then As time went on It would Blue Screen about every 20
Minutes. I tried all the updated drivers from the manufacturer's web-site
and that didn't fix it.

The blue screen messages are different every time, that is, it isn't the
same error message. I can't find a common thread or fault and I can't
duplicate them. It seems to be random. Here is what I've already tried:

I tried to disable everything in the startup and I disabled all
non-essential services.

Thinking it might be an overheating problem, I placed the unit on top of an
AC vent that blows cold air into the bottom uptake vents.

I tried microsoft's memory tester. My memory passes all the tests.

I reinstalled Windows, then installed SP2 and all available windows updates.
Now when I boot in safe mode I get no more blue screens, but I do If I boot
normally. I suspect I have an intermittent failure of some hardware. Here
is my question. How do I find the drivers that are not loaded when I boot to
safe mode so I can check each one individually so I can tell which one is
failing (either hardware component or driver) ? Is there any shortcut way to
narrow it down very quickly?

I have zero applications installed right now so I know (strong suspician
actually) it must be a windows driver or hardware problem. I Know it is not
the sound card or drivers because I didn't install them, nor the TV Tuner. I
am not using the Radeon Drivers. I am instead using the plain vanilla
windows VGA driver. USB port appears to be working because the mouse works.
Does Win XP support Hyperthreading in Safe mode? What about advanced chipset
features such as power management?

Any Suggestions?
--
Larry K

What about power supply? It's a common culprit in this situation. If
you have an Intel motherboard, you can download the Active Monitor from
their website. It alerts you for power and heat.
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Old September 3rd 04, 10:36 AM
Ross Durie
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Default SP2 Blue Screens - Safe Mode does not. What's the Difference?

Memory testing software is useless. Replace the RAM instead.

--
Ross

"Larry K." lkyl[do not wrote in message
...
I forgot to add a couple of important clues:

Safe mode w/Networking does not Blue Screen.

Before I installed SP2 (When I still had apps installed) Games would
abruptly terminate if it did not blue screen, and other apps such as IE

would
pop up an error messages saying that windows had to terminate the

application
and if I would like to send an error report. This is where the results
offered for me to try the memory tester.

"Larry K." wrote:

With WinXP SP1 my computer started to Blue Screen. It started very

gradually
in frequency. Then As time went on It would Blue Screen about every 20
Minutes. I tried all the updated drivers from the manufacturer's

web-site
and that didn't fix it.

The blue screen messages are different every time, that is, it isn't the
same error message. I can't find a common thread or fault and I can't
duplicate them. It seems to be random. Here is what I've already

tried:

I tried to disable everything in the startup and I disabled all
non-essential services.

Thinking it might be an overheating problem, I placed the unit on top of

an
AC vent that blows cold air into the bottom uptake vents.

I tried microsoft's memory tester. My memory passes all the tests.

I reinstalled Windows, then installed SP2 and all available windows

updates.
Now when I boot in safe mode I get no more blue screens, but I do If I

boot
normally. I suspect I have an intermittent failure of some hardware.

Here
is my question. How do I find the drivers that are not loaded when I

boot to
safe mode so I can check each one individually so I can tell which one

is
failing (either hardware component or driver) ? Is there any shortcut

way to
narrow it down very quickly?

I have zero applications installed right now so I know (strong suspician
actually) it must be a windows driver or hardware problem. I Know it is

not
the sound card or drivers because I didn't install them, nor the TV

Tuner. I
am not using the Radeon Drivers. I am instead using the plain vanilla
windows VGA driver. USB port appears to be working because the mouse

works.
Does Win XP support Hyperthreading in Safe mode? What about advanced

chipset
features such as power management?

Any Suggestions?
--
Larry K



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Old September 3rd 04, 11:01 AM
Larry K.
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Default SP2 Blue Screens - Safe Mode does not. What's the Difference?

But if the memory was the culprit, would it not also bring down the system in
safe mode?

Larry

"Ross Durie" wrote:

Memory testing software is useless. Replace the RAM instead.

--
Ross


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Old September 3rd 04, 11:03 AM
Larry K.
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Default SP2 Blue Screens - Safe Mode does not. What's the Difference?



"AnnonUser" wrote:

What about power supply? It's a common culprit in this situation. If
you have an Intel motherboard, you can download the Active Monitor from
their website. It alerts you for power and heat.


I'll try it, but if it is a power supply problem or heat problem, would it
not also crash the system in safe mode? Right Now in Safe Mode /w
Networking, I have no problems.

Larry.

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Old September 3rd 04, 11:44 AM
David Morris
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Default SP2 Blue Screens - Safe Mode does not. What's the Difference?

Did you type msconfig at the run command to uncheck start up programs from
there?
"Larry K." lkyl[do not wrote in message
...
With WinXP SP1 my computer started to Blue Screen. It started very
gradually
in frequency. Then As time went on It would Blue Screen about every 20
Minutes. I tried all the updated drivers from the manufacturer's web-site
and that didn't fix it.

The blue screen messages are different every time, that is, it isn't the
same error message. I can't find a common thread or fault and I can't
duplicate them. It seems to be random. Here is what I've already tried:

I tried to disable everything in the startup and I disabled all
non-essential services.

Thinking it might be an overheating problem, I placed the unit on top of
an
AC vent that blows cold air into the bottom uptake vents.

I tried microsoft's memory tester. My memory passes all the tests.

I reinstalled Windows, then installed SP2 and all available windows
updates.
Now when I boot in safe mode I get no more blue screens, but I do If I
boot
normally. I suspect I have an intermittent failure of some hardware.
Here
is my question. How do I find the drivers that are not loaded when I boot
to
safe mode so I can check each one individually so I can tell which one is
failing (either hardware component or driver) ? Is there any shortcut way
to
narrow it down very quickly?

I have zero applications installed right now so I know (strong suspician
actually) it must be a windows driver or hardware problem. I Know it is
not
the sound card or drivers because I didn't install them, nor the TV Tuner.
I
am not using the Radeon Drivers. I am instead using the plain vanilla
windows VGA driver. USB port appears to be working because the mouse
works.
Does Win XP support Hyperthreading in Safe mode? What about advanced
chipset
features such as power management?

Any Suggestions?
--
Larry K



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Old September 3rd 04, 07:31 PM
Alex Nichol
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Default SP2 Blue Screens - Safe Mode does not. What's the Difference?

"Larry K." lkyl[do not wrote:

With WinXP SP1 my computer started to Blue Screen. It started very gradually
in frequency. Then As time went on It would Blue Screen about every 20
Minutes. I tried all the updated drivers from the manufacturer's web-site
and that didn't fix it.

The blue screen messages are different every time, that is, it isn't the
same error message. I can't find a common thread or fault and I can't
duplicate them. It seems to be random. Here is what I've already tried:


The important difference with Safe Mode is that it avoids the windows
drivers for hardware, using basic facilities instead. Especially, and I
think significantly, for the video card, where it uses the simple VGA in
the card's BIOS. So my thinking is looking at hardware failure of the
video card; either its memory or possibly in the fancy facilities in its
processor chip. Check it is really well seated - just pulling slightly
and pushing back can restore contacts that have become dirty;and try
another card


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Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
 




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