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Alan Browne wrote:

If "free" Linux on low cost machines were so great, economics dictates
that it should overwhelm the market

Idiot.

Being free does not overwhelm all considerations. People have
actually heard about Windows and Macs, those two OS's are routinely
pre-installed for the customer, and they have more commercial apps.

Duh.

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Alan Browne wrote:

On 2017-03-07 07:57, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

On 2017-03-07 03:25, Martin Edwards wrote:
On 3/6/2017 5:49 PM, chrisv wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

(snip)

Good troll. You made me laugh. 8)

Actually he made me snap back. No fool like an old fool.

There are two kinds of Linux users:

- those running or developing servers, databases, embedded systems,
supercomputers and the like: run and developed by wise men.

- those running apps via a hodgepodge of disparate, poorly integrtated
and ugly desktop environments that are not supported by actual, useful
productivity tools: these are embraced by penny wise fools.

This is clearly borne out by the massive number of Linux servers,
databases, embedded and the like Linux installations and the paltry
proportion of Linux desktops out there v. Windows (of all thing$s) and
Mac OS.

Linux has been stagnant for a decade - about 2% or less of all desktop
environments exposed to the web. Mac OS has been climbing steadily if
slowly for a current 11% or so.

Of course there is the economic factor to consider - people with means
cannot afford free OS' such as Linux. Wastes too much time and doesn't
provide the productivity apps required to make a decent living.


Idiot

Classic reply of the Linux fans. Can't stand the glare of truth.

Idiot

I own a MacBook, a iMac, a windows machine and several linux machines.

You may now guess which OS I prefer most.
And no, it is not OSX. I like that least of all

On 2017-03-07, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2017-03-07 07:57, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

There are two kinds of Linux users:

- those running or developing servers, databases, embedded systems,
supercomputers and the like: run and developed by wise men.

- those running apps via a hodgepodge of disparate, poorly integrtated
and ugly desktop environments that are not supported by actual, useful
productivity tools: these are embraced by penny wise fools.

This is clearly borne out by the massive number of Linux servers,
databases, embedded and the like Linux installations and the paltry
proportion of Linux desktops out there v. Windows (of all thing$s) and
Mac OS.

Linux has been stagnant for a decade - about 2% or less of all desktop
environments exposed to the web. Mac OS has been climbing steadily if
slowly for a current 11% or so.

Of course there is the economic factor to consider - people with means
cannot afford free OS' such as Linux. Wastes too much time and doesn't
provide the productivity apps required to make a decent living.


Idiot

Classic reply of the Linux fans. Can't stand the glare of truth.

Especially poor Peter. You can almost see the fire coming out of his
ears when he screams "Idiot!" at people. : D

If "free" Linux on low cost machines were so great, economics dictates
that it should overwhelm the market (such as Android has done and such
as Linux in the aforementioned server, database, embedded, etc. markets).

It hasn't because the immense cost of "free" in the desktop arena.

Yup. Linux has no unified UX strategy; it's a cluster **** for desktop
usage.

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On 2017-03-07, chrisv wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

If "free" Linux on low cost machines were so great, economics dictates
that it should overwhelm the market

Idiot.

Being free does not overwhelm all considerations. People have
actually heard about Windows and Macs, those two OS's are routinely
pre-installed for the customer, and they have more commercial apps.

Duh.

Someone's butt hurt. : )

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On 2017-03-07, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2017-03-07 07:57, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

Idiot

Classic reply of the Linux fans. Can't stand the glare of truth.

Idiot

I own a MacBook, a iMac, a windows machine and several linux machines.

Your Macs likely get more abuse, misuse, and disuse than any other. So
that's not saying anything.

You may now guess which OS I prefer most.
And no, it is not OSX. I like that least of all

No guessing required. You make it clear any time anyone says anything
remotely critical of Linux, and you show up to spazz out and call them
names. : )

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On 2017-03-07, Anonymous wrote:
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Alrescha wrote:

On 2017-03-06 06:36:50 +0000, "Wally" said:

Over the last three years

So not news by any stretch of the imagination.

The shift toward Google-powered devices is hurting AppleÂ’s
revenue.

So how much does .4 billion hurt out of 216 billion?

How about $8,640,000,000.00? Guess you don't own any stocks.
Lesser numbers than that determine dividends and profits.

Yes, yes, Apple is *really* hurting, don't you see? HURTING!! : D

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Jolly Roger wrote:

Linux has no unified UX strategy

Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom.

Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom.

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example of Linux which convinces people to come over to Linux land."
- "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

Jolly Roger wrote:

Someone's butt hurt. : )

Obviously. Yours. : )

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On 2017-03-07, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-03-07 09:13, chrisv wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

If "free" Linux on low cost machines were so great, economics dictates
that it should overwhelm the market

Idiot.

Being free does not overwhelm all considerations. People have
actually heard about Windows and Macs, those two OS's are routinely
pre-installed for the customer, and they have more commercial apps.

Duh.

They also have more free apps, especially Windows.

Bottom line (based on occasional Linux use): If all you want are the Big
Four (email, internet, office suite, and viewing images/video), Linux is
as good an eco-system as Windows or Mac, and technically more secure.

Whether or not Linux is more or less secure than macOS is highly
debatable. Windows is another story. : )

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On 2017-03-07, chrisv wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:

Someone's butt hurt. : )

Obviously. Yours. : )

Not very obvious to me. I'm having fun eating popcorn watching you
dweebs get all lit up. : )

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On 2017-03-07, chrisv wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:

Linux has no unified UX strategy

Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom.

Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom.

Desktop Linux is for those whose time has little value. ; )

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chrisv wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

Someone's butt hurt. : )

Obviously. Yours. : )

Apple fanboi's response was deleted, unread.

Enjoy your "unified" Mac experience, fanboi.

Go ahead and have the last word. I suggest "Baaaa".

: )

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On 2017-03-07, chrisv wrote:
chrisv wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

Someone's butt hurt. : )

Obviously. Yours. : )

Apple fanboi's response was deleted, unread.

Yeah that's right. Run away.

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Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2017-03-07, chrisv wrote:
chrisv wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

Someone's butt hurt. : )

Obviously. Yours. : )

Apple fanboi's response was deleted, unread.

Yeah that's right. Run away.

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On 2017-03-07 09:13, chrisv wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

If "free" Linux on low cost machines were so great, economics dictates
that it should overwhelm the market

Idiot.

Ad hominem's feel good but they don't really do anything for you when
you can't defend your point rationally[1].

Being free does not overwhelm all considerations. People have
actually heard about Windows and Macs, those two OS's are routinely
pre-installed for the customer, and they have more commercial apps.

[1] Yep, as I said ...

Duh.{The height of 11th grade introduction to debating retorts.}

And those computers offered by various mainline manufacturers that were
cheaper because they came pre-installed with Linux. That should have
helped. Hasn't. At all. (Dell, HP, IBM).

OTOH, Linux in the form of Android has overwhelmed the mobile market; it
has overwhelmed the embedded and supercomputer markets while being major
contributors to the servers and database markets.

Of course free doesn't overwhelm. How about actual practical usability
in the real world? That is where Linux is an also ran.

I'm not putting down the Linux OS. It's magnificent. Just not a useful
desktop environment - not well enough supported by mainline productivity
tool makers. The disparate and sometimes incoherent desktop "options"
that Linux fans see as a strength are really one of its biggest
obstacles to uptake.

In that regard Apple have dominated in making a rationally designed(and
attractive) desktop environment. And it's free too (upgrade wise).
Just the h/w that is relatively more expensive than what the typical
box-building Linux home/office user would buy.

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