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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:23:45 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote: 8 tracks are clearly the worst. They are also ticking time bombs because as the lubricant in the tape dries out, they implode. 8-tracks used a dry lubricant. As a music format, I always felt that 8-tracks sounded better than cassettes, but a lot of years have gone by and I can't go back and do any blind tests. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 11:32:13 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:23:45 -0500, flatfish+++ wrote: 8 tracks are clearly the worst. They are also ticking time bombs because as the lubricant in the tape dries out, they implode. 8-tracks used a dry lubricant. As a music format, I always felt that 8-tracks sounded better than cassettes, but a lot of years have gone by and I can't go back and do any blind tests. Yes. Graphite in fact. It collects dirt and goos up the capstan causing speed issues. Cassettes had superior sound for many reasons most of which had to do with the head stack on 8 track players being out of alignment due to it moving up and down each time a new track was selected. That clunking sound was not good for head alignment. Cassette machines (not the auto reversible kind) were much gentler on the heads and the tape and shell design was far superior. -- flatfish+++ Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of Business. Before Switching To Linux Read This: http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux...current.htm l |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 03/12/2014 10:49 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
On 2014-12-02, Peter Köhlmann wrote: Slimer wrote: On 02/12/2014 3:19 PM, flatfish+++ wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:30:03 -0500, Slimer wrote: On 02/12/2014 11:08 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-12-02, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 23:49, flatfish+++ wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:47:16 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 01:37, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-11-29, Brian Gregory wrote: On 28/11/2014 16:17, A wrote: Slimer wrote: And will likely do a better job of implementing both than GNU/Linux. http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/11/27/1347217/windows-10-to-feature-native-support-for-mkv-and-flac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed VLC will play both formats in Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. So, BFD. More than that - install any one of several widely available free codec packs and any player will play them. ...and those will likely just be the same collection of free software that powers VLC. Well maybe, but I find more bugs in VLC than I do if I just install Combined Community Codec Pack and play in Media Player Classic Home Cinema. VLC tends to be buggy but mPlayer is even worse. The latest version of VLC has been working fine for me though. Under Windows 8.1 of course. The only problem I can remember with the current VLC 2.1.5 was that I found a video file where seeking back and forth in it totally failed taking me to somewhere totally different from where I wanted. Media Player Classic Home Cinema played it perfectly. Not so long ago I remember many versions of VLC on Windows couldn't even play an audio CD without crashing. It was like the developers weren't Sounds like a reversion driven by the fact that it's not 1998 anymore. 1998 is about the last time I directly played a CD. CDs are still the least expensive way to get high quality sound. M4A from iTunes and MP3 from 7digital don't cut it for everyone. That's disputable. Thumbdrives are cheap and plentiful. Meanwhile, CDs are a single use medium. The smallest available thumb drives are cheap enough to treat as disposable and can be used over and over again. Thumbdrives allow you to store a crapload of MP3 and M4A files, but CDs contain AIFF files which have an excellent, uncompressed quality. We're comparing apples to oranges here. If you've got a fetish for optical media, even DVD makes more sense as it has more capacity. That's the last optical media I bothered with (about 10 years ago) before I switched completely to thumbdrives and the like. Once again, apples to oranges. Although anyone snooty enough to turn his nose up at any of the CD alternatives that have arisen in the last 20 years isn't going to be dickering around with a PC. MP3 and M4A files are not a CD alternative, they are a compressed and lossy version of the album you would get on a CD in excellent quality. To a lot of people, the convenience of having lossy files IMMEDIATELY versus going out and buying a CD makes a sense obsolete. However, many of us truly enjoy the music we're paying for and therefore want to get it in the best quality possible with the option of later transferring it to a lossy codec for convenience. -- Slimer OpenMedia, Wikipedia & Hope for Paws Supporter |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 03/12/2014 11:47 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: On 2014-12-03, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: Char Jackson wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++ wrote: Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore. Even worse for DVD. If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of optical discs. At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it. With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead. Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago. http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/sec4.html Among the manufacturers that have done testing, there is consensus that, under recommended storage conditions, CD-R, DVD-R, and DVD+R discs should have a life expectancy of 100 to 200 years or more; CD-RW, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM discs should have a life expectancy of 25 years or more. Little information is available for CD-ROM and DVD-ROM discs (including audio and video), resulting in an increased level of uncertainty for their life expectancy. Expectations vary from 20 to 100 years for these discs. Apparently it varies by manufacturer and apparently some were very bad. Yet another reason to rip everything and back up stuff as much as you can and do as much as you can to avoid bit rot on your ripped copies. I have this USB stick I use in my car; it often sits for hours in the hot sun. So now I sometimes get "Bad Media" or sound glitches, when I know the file was initially good. THAT is bit rot, not a CD becoming useless. -- Slimer OpenMedia, Wikipedia & Hope for Paws Supporter |
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On 03/12/2014 12:32 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:23:45 -0500, flatfish+++ wrote: 8 tracks are clearly the worst. They are also ticking time bombs because as the lubricant in the tape dries out, they implode. 8-tracks used a dry lubricant. As a music format, I always felt that 8-tracks sounded better than cassettes, but a lot of years have gone by and I can't go back and do any blind tests. Professional audio people tend to say that 8-tracks are better than cassettes as far as quality is concerned so I'm tempted to agree with them even though I've never heard or even held one in my hands. -- Slimera OpenMedia, Wikipedia & Hope for Paws Supporter |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 03/12/2014 18:15, Slimer wrote:
... Thumbdrives allow you to store a crapload of MP3 and M4A files, but CDs contain AIFF files which have an excellent, uncompressed quality. We're comparing apples to oranges here. Pardon? CDs contain raw uncompressed PCM, as do AIFF files but there are no AIFF headers or tail ends on a CD. Thumb drives can also contain files of raw PCM, or say FLAC which is a bit smaller but has the same quality. Or you can compress using your favourite audio codec at whatever bit-rate it takes to sound good to you. Basically thumb drives are flexible and can hold telephone quality audio files up to beyond CD quality. ... MP3 and M4A files are not a CD alternative, they are a compressed and lossy version of the album you would get on a CD in excellent quality. To a lot of people, the convenience of having lossy files IMMEDIATELY versus going out and buying a CD makes a sense obsolete. However, many of us truly enjoy the music we're paying for and therefore want to get it in the best quality possible with the option of later transferring it to a lossy codec for convenience. I haven't been disappointed with the quality of a bought MP3 for many years and I'm sure I'm not that unusual though I do admit that my hearing isn't perfect and my playback equipment isn't at all high end either. -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 03/12/2014 10:52, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
... http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ GNU ddrescue is a data recovery tool. It copies data from one file or block device (hard disc, cdrom, etc) to another, trying to rescue the good parts first in case of read errors. Ddrescuelog is a tool that manipulates ddrescue logfiles, shows logfile contents, converts logfiles to/from other formats, compares logfiles, tests rescue status, and can delete a logfile if the rescue is done. Ddrescuelog operations can be restricted to one or several parts of the logfile if the domain setting options are used. The basic operation of ddrescue is fully automatic. That is, you don't have to wait for an error, stop the program, read the log, restart it from a new position, etc. No guarantees, of course. Won't help you recover from an optical disc if the drive says "No Disc present" will it, which in my experience can even be the first sign of trouble. -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 03/12/2014 03:30, Char Jackson wrote:
Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to play. You are DOA. Nothing you can do. Has that actually ever happened, or is it something you read about? I'd be surprised to learn that it's a real concern. Again, I think we're talking about pressed CDs and DVDs, not the stuff that someone recorded at home. Yes. I bought a set of six audio CDs from Amazon. I couldn't get one of the set to play at all, had to send them back to be replaced. Another set arrived with a different disc unplayable. Sent back for a refund. Bought a set in a local shop and finally got a usable set. At least with vinyl or tape you can recover. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Both of those media types have their own issues. -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:03:35 +0000, Brian Gregory
wrote: On 03/12/2014 03:30, Char Jackson wrote: Has that actually ever happened, or is it something you read about? I'd be surprised to learn that it's a real concern. Again, I think we're talking about pressed CDs and DVDs, not the stuff that someone recorded at home. Yes. I bought a set of six audio CDs from Amazon. I couldn't get one of the set to play at all, had to send them back to be replaced. Another set arrived with a different disc unplayable. Sent back for a refund. Bought a set in a local shop and finally got a usable set. Was the playback hardware a factor? Were the CDs issued by a major label? Were they pressed or recorded? My niece bought a movie soundtrack CD a few years ago and I was surprised to see that it wasn't pressed; it had clearly started its life as a writeable blank. Fortunately, it played just fine in her home and car. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
Char Jackson wrote:
My niece bought a movie soundtrack CD a few years ago and I was surprised to see that it wasn't pressed; it had clearly started its life as a writeable blank. Fortunately, it played just fine in her home and car. I suppose that for very small production runs, that would be a more economical method of production. -- "one would hope (OSS) does look like the work of amateurs since they are indeed amateurs most of the time." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 2014-12-03, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 03/12/2014 18:15, Slimer wrote: ... Thumbdrives allow you to store a crapload of MP3 and M4A files, but CDs contain AIFF files which have an excellent, uncompressed quality. We're comparing apples to oranges here. You can store anything you want on computer media. The real issue will be whether or not your target device is smart enough to read that data off of whatever media you have selected. 3rd party hardware device support and the network effect problem is the real issue here. Pardon? CDs contain raw uncompressed PCM, as do AIFF files but there are no AIFF headers or tail ends on a CD. [deletia] -- Nevermind the pirates. Sony needs to worry about it's own back catalog. ||| / | \ |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 2014-12-03, chrisv wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: My niece bought a movie soundtrack CD a few years ago and I was surprised to see that it wasn't pressed; it had clearly started its life as a writeable blank. Fortunately, it played just fine in her home and car. I suppose that for very small production runs, that would be a more economical method of production. Amazon sells a number of works on a "print on demand" basis. -- Nevermind the pirates. Sony needs to worry about it's own back catalog. ||| / | \ |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 03/12/2014 2:51 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 03/12/2014 18:15, Slimer wrote: ... Thumbdrives allow you to store a crapload of MP3 and M4A files, but CDs contain AIFF files which have an excellent, uncompressed quality. We're comparing apples to oranges here. Pardon? CDs contain raw uncompressed PCM, as do AIFF files but there are no AIFF headers or tail ends on a CD. Thumb drives can also contain files of raw PCM, or say FLAC which is a bit smaller but has the same quality. Or you can compress using your favourite audio codec at whatever bit-rate it takes to sound good to you. Basically thumb drives are flexible and can hold telephone quality audio files up to beyond CD quality. Ah, my apologies. I forgot what the format of the uncompressed audio was. Thanks for the correction. -- Slimer OpenMedia, Wikipedia & Hope for Paws Supporter |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
Brian Gregory wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On 03/12/2014 10:52, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: ... http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ GNU ddrescue is a data recovery tool. It copies data from one file or block device (hard disc, cdrom, etc) to another, trying to rescue the good parts first in case of read errors. Ddrescuelog is a tool that manipulates ddrescue logfiles, shows logfile contents, converts logfiles to/from other formats, compares logfiles, tests rescue status, and can delete a logfile if the rescue is done. Ddrescuelog operations can be restricted to one or several parts of the logfile if the domain setting options are used. The basic operation of ddrescue is fully automatic. That is, you don't have to wait for an error, stop the program, read the log, restart it from a new position, etc. No guarantees, of course. Won't help you recover from an optical disc if the drive says "No Disc present" will it, which in my experience can even be the first sign of trouble. I agree with the first part; haven't experienced the second part. Eject, and reinsert. -- BOFH excuse #188: ...disk or the processor is on fire. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 03/12/2014 20:32, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:03:35 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote: On 03/12/2014 03:30, Char Jackson wrote: Has that actually ever happened, or is it something you read about? I'd be surprised to learn that it's a real concern. Again, I think we're talking about pressed CDs and DVDs, not the stuff that someone recorded at home. Yes. I bought a set of six audio CDs from Amazon. I couldn't get one of the set to play at all, had to send them back to be replaced. Another set arrived with a different disc unplayable. Sent back for a refund. Bought a set in a local shop and finally got a usable set. Was the playback hardware a factor? Were the CDs issued by a major label? Were they pressed or recorded? My niece bought a movie soundtrack CD a few years ago and I was surprised to see that it wasn't pressed; it had clearly started its life as a writeable blank. Fortunately, it played just fine in her home and car. They were pressed CDs. Hardware may have been a factor. It was quite a while ago and I think I only had access to my PC and a portable CD player and I wouldn't have even tried in the portable because I needed to rip them to MP3. -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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