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Today (09-21-17) I installed WinXP SP2 on a new HD. As in the past, I used the telephone method to "Activate" Windows. I had NO problems "Activating" Windows using the telephone system. John |
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 11:34:10 +0000, wrote: Hi, Today (09-21-17) I installed WinXP SP2 on a new HD. As in the past, I used the telephone method to "Activate" Windows. I had NO problems "Activating" Windows using the telephone system. John Is that one of them crank telephones with a rotary dial? I think the crank was for operator-assisted calls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_magneto The dial based ones drive... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_dialing Strowger swtches, but also work with universal line cards on digital switches. If it didn't work with a digital switch, the phone company could not have charged $2 to $3 a month for "touch tone" service :-) The existence of dial phones was a source of revenue from all the Touch Tone customers, as you could "ding them for the 'service'". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strowger_switch And I have a hand-held Touch Tone pad, which you hold up to the mouthpiece of your rotary phone. You can send Touch Tone tones, after placing a rotary call with it. So if you did happen to have a rotary dial phone (no crank), there's a device to make you compatible with the Real World. If you needed to send Touch Tone beeps to Microsoft, there's a device for that. And you have to be holding it right, too. This particular example, even has memory for memorizing frequently used touch tone patterns. I can't remember what mine was for (it definitely didn't have a memory for frequently used numbers and just had the keypad section), but I must have used it for a short time for something. http://www.ebay.com/itm/vtg-1993-Rad...#ht_255wt_1118 If you were well equipped from the era, I don't see why it would not work. Even a manually operated switchboard, if you held your Touch Tone battery operated pad up to the Mouthpiece, you could activate WinXP SP2. Paul |
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Hi,
Today (09-21-17) I installed WinXP SP2 on a new HD. As in the past, I used the telephone method to "Activate" Windows. I had NO problems "Activating" Windows using the telephone system. John Was this using a previously unused key? And did you have to talk to a human, or just exchange strings of characters? I clicked on the Activation "key" icon in the System Tray (bottom right). I selected Activate by Telephone (don't remember exact words). I selected "United States" in the drop down location list. Then a toll free telephone number was displayed. Also a series of 6 digit number groups are displayed across the screen. I write those numbers on paper in a vertical column to reduce the chance of making an error when entering each group on the phone's keypad. Note: There is NO live person (automatic). Next, I dial the toll free number. After responding to some prompts, I indicate I am ready. Then a prompt for the first group, I enter the six digit number. If no errors, I am prompted for the second group, etc. Afterwards, I am told groups of six digit numbers (I write down the numbers) I am suppose to enter in the slots. Note: If you make a mistake, you can say "repeat" to hear the same group again. The above procedure I have done many times on various computers over the years. John |
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writes: wrote: On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 11:34:10 +0000, wrote: Hi, Today (09-21-17) I installed WinXP SP2 on a new HD. As in the past, I used the telephone method to "Activate" Windows. I had NO problems "Activating" Windows using the telephone system. John Is that one of them crank telephones with a rotary dial? I think the crank was for operator-assisted calls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_magneto I think the crank was for generating the power to run the thing, where there wasn't a powered exchange - things like military field telephones; I don't _think_ I've seen a 'phone with both a crank and a dial, but they probably do exist. The dial based ones drive... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_dialing Strowger swtches, but also work with universal line cards on digital switches. If it didn't work with a digital switch, I keep wondering how much longer they'll support pulse dialling; I hope a long time, but I anticipate not. [] It's awkward where touch-tone is _required_: a few years ago, I was trying to 'phone the power company during a power cut, using a 'phone I got out of a cupboard (obviously my cordless didn't work), and their receiving system told me to press 1 for ... and so on. But the 'phone I had only did pulses. (Yes, I know 'phoneline-powered ones do tones these days, but this was an old one - not rotary dial, pushbutton, but I think from the transitional period [UK was some time behind US in using touch tones], and it only did pulses, albeit electronically-generated.) In most cases, these sort of automatic call-handling systems fall back to connecting you to a human if you don't make a selection, but in this case it didn't. (I think it either just kept endlessly repeating the menu, or disconnected.) It's also fun to startle youngsters by dialling a number by banging on the rest, though with today's long numbers, it's easier to make a mistake while doing so. (Also useful when encountering a 'phone where someone has removed buttons in an attempt to limit what calls can be made - e. g. in UK by removing all but the 9.) I've noticed a tendency in a lot of modern 'phones to "hide" the actual tones from the user: they emit the same bleep whichever number you're pressing. Not sure why. (Obviously they send the right tones down the line.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I keep wondering how much longer they'll support pulse dialling; I hope a long time, but I anticipate not. A universal line card makes this easy. There's no way to guess as to how backward individual phone companies are though. A paper out of UWisc claimed for every dollar invested, a phone company used to make fifty dollars. Payback on phone equipment purchases was "almost instantaneous", compared to other businesses. You could buy an expensive telephone switch, and the new "tick-box" services it offered, helped pay for it. Including... dinging consumers $2 a month for "touch tone service". That helps pay for a change from the old line card drawer, to a new one. When everyone you know, whines in conversation about a "$200 phone bill this month because I made a few LD calls", you know the business model works. Now, that whinging comes with cell phones. Nothing changes. The phone company just prints money. A universal line card supports at least twenty different standards. Which means the same equipment can be shipped world-wide, and programmed for whatever standard a country happens to follow. Even third-world countries bought digital exchanges. [] It's awkward where touch-tone is _required_: a few years ago, I was trying to 'phone the power company during a power cut, using a 'phone I got out of a cupboard (obviously my cordless didn't work), and their receiving system told me to press 1 for ... and so on. But the 'phone I had only did pulses. (Yes, I know 'phoneline-powered ones do tones these days, but this was an old one - not rotary dial, pushbutton, but I think from the transitional period [UK was some time behind US in using touch tones], and it only did pulses, albeit electronically-generated.) In most cases, these sort of automatic call-handling systems fall back to connecting you to a human if you don't make a selection, but in this case it didn't. (I think it either just kept endlessly repeating the menu, or disconnected.) The phone switch or CO remote, recognizes pulse and tone. However, an application mounted inside a company, to request input from a user, that can *only* work with tone. The network will pass the tones, once a call is established. The network may have other behaviors, before a call is set up, For example, in the old days, whistling a certain sine wave tone, to do trunk acquisition. The pulse dialing has something to do with interrupting current at battery potential, and the network cannot pass that. That modulation, stops at the line card and cannot go further. If there were clicks in the earpiece, they might not be defined well enough, to travel through the limited AC passband of the 4KHz baseband. It's also fun to startle youngsters by dialling a number by banging on the rest, though with today's long numbers, it's easier to make a mistake while doing so. (Also useful when encountering a 'phone where someone has removed buttons in an attempt to limit what calls can be made - e. g. in UK by removing all but the 9.) I've noticed a tendency in a lot of modern 'phones to "hide" the actual tones from the user: they emit the same bleep whichever number you're pressing. Not sure why. (Obviously they send the right tones down the line.) The phone can provide audio feedback that a switch closure has occurred, and the piezo device on board, might not be intended for actual "speaker like" output. You should be able to hear the DTMF tone in the earpiece. Hopefully, the sound you're hearing, is not the same frequency as any of the fixed frequencies (used in pairs) for DTMF. As the audio feedback you're hearing from the phone, is probably going up the phone line too. Using PLLs on the receiving end, the receiver can reject anything which is not a DTMF tone. And by providing two frequencies, that enhances the resilience of detection. (I'm sure the idea was invented before DSP became possible for stuff like this. It was invented in the NE567 era.) I think I bought one of these chips, back in the day, and the output "fluttered in the breeze". The chip promptly went into my junk bin :-) The part is only noteworthy, for the datasheet. http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/cross...eets/NE567.pdf The info on page 8, shows seven tones encode twelve key closures. Today, somebody would probably use DSP rather than PLLs for that. "Because... science" :-) Paul |
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writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I keep wondering how much longer they'll support pulse dialling; I hope a long time, but I anticipate not. A universal line card makes this easy. Yes, but presumably it has to be configured to say which (of the many) protocols it supports; since tone dialling is done over the audio circuits, but pulse involves the old telephone system wiring method (I think it used to be called "loop disconnect dialling"), I rather fear that at some point, some 'phone company are going to be the first to say their exchanges no longer support pulse, this saving themselves extensive electromechanical maintenance (switches, high-voltage isolators/protectors ... the tone system could even be capacitor or transformer coupled and still work ...); and once one does it, others will follow. There's no way to guess as to how backward individual phone companies are though. [] The phone switch or CO remote, recognizes pulse and tone. However, an application mounted inside a company, to request input from a user, that can *only* work with tone. The network will pass the tones, once a call is established. The network may have other behaviors, before a call is set up, For example, It would need a pulse-to-tone converter in the exchange. Which there clearly isn't. [] I've noticed a tendency in a lot of modern 'phones to "hide" the actual tones from the user: they emit the same bleep whichever number you're pressing. Not sure why. (Obviously they send the right tones down the line.) The phone can provide audio feedback that a switch closure has occurred, and the piezo device on board, might not be intended for actual "speaker like" output. You should be I suppose you've got it: for 'phones that have such a sounder, perhaps because they've got the keypad in the handset so you can't just rely on hearing the DTMF because you take the 'phone away from your ear to dial, then that sounder not being able to do the tones at much amplitude might explain the decision to make all keypresses trigger the same tone (through the sounder). [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You make it from scratch? Yep. Do you make your own scratch? -- "pyotr filipivich" in alt.windows7.general 2017-5-20 |
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I clicked on the Activation "key" icon in the System Tray (bottom right). [] the phone's keypad. Note: There is NO live person (automatic). Next, I dial the toll free number. After responding to some prompts, [] etc. Afterwards, I am told groups of six digit numbers (I write down the numbers) I am suppose to enter in the slots. Note: If you make a mistake, you can say "repeat" to hear the same group again. The above procedure I have done many times on various computers over the years. John With a new key each time? -- Hi, Each computer, when I "Activated" WinXP, had a different "key". One exception regarding the "key". The recent "Activation" I did on a 160GB HD that I "split" in half (two 80GB partitions) with C: and D: logical drives. I installed WinXP on C: and again on D: I activated WinXP on C:. When I went to activate WinXP on D:, the same "key" was displayed. Since I write down the "key" and the groups of numbers I hear on the telephone for "Activation", I did not have to make another telephone call. John |
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