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"Fokke Nauta" wrote in message ... On 22/07/2016 09:47, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 21/07/2016 21:26, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/21/2016 2:23 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 20/07/2016 22:26, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 19/07/2016 11:59, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, Yesterday I upgraded my pc to W10. It was quite easy, easier than I expected. But it was a devastating experience. Many of my applications did not run on W10. The same for Classic Shell. And it looks so cheap. W7 looks so much better. I did not know how fast to place back an image of W7. Happily running W7 again. Fokke Whatever went wrong, I don't know. But my W10 machine was a disaster. Many applications did not run. Second problem: Another pc upgraded with W10 did not run anymore. It boots and then there is a black screen. It stays there. So also put an W7 image back. I don't think I will make an effort to upgrade more of my pc's to W10. Fokke And there is a third problem. Tried to upgrade our W7 laptop to W10. It went quite succesful to a percentage of 99 (preparing for the upgrade) but it stopped there. No 100% and hence no upgrade. This is the third problem with upgrading my W7 machines. O yeah. The fourth problem. Our server running W7 Pr 32b could not be upgraded due to the screen. Don't know why, with a Geforce GT 630 video card. So - I will give up upgrading. No W10 in our house. Fokke the trick there is to d/l the Win 10 driver and use a Win 10 ISO burned to CD/DVD for upgradeing. After upgrade update the driver from your d/l. OK, and where can I find this driver? I can't find it at the MS site. I already found it. A W10 ISO image. But I won't install a fresh copy of W10 on a highly customized machine. It takes too much effort to tune it again. Your video card driver is he x86 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105036/en-us x64 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us (in case you upgrade to x64 (probably not)) Not sure if that would help. Maybe if you extracted the file (WinZip, 7Zip, etc.) to a USB stick or to a CD. Does the installation ask for a driver when it bogs, or does it just kick you out with an error? -- SC Tom |
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Op 21-7-2016 om 21:26 schreef Zaidy036:
On 7/21/2016 2:23 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 20/07/2016 22:26, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 19/07/2016 11:59, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, Yesterday I upgraded my pc to W10. It was quite easy, easier than I expected. But it was a devastating experience. Many of my applications did not run on W10. The same for Classic Shell. And it looks so cheap. W7 looks so much better. I did not know how fast to place back an image of W7. Happily running W7 again. Fokke Whatever went wrong, I don't know. But my W10 machine was a disaster. Many applications did not run. Second problem: Another pc upgraded with W10 did not run anymore. It boots and then there is a black screen. It stays there. So also put an W7 image back. I don't think I will make an effort to upgrade more of my pc's to W10. Fokke And there is a third problem. Tried to upgrade our W7 laptop to W10. It went quite succesful to a percentage of 99 (preparing for the upgrade) but it stopped there. No 100% and hence no upgrade. This is the third problem with upgrading my W7 machines. O yeah. The fourth problem. Our server running W7 Pr 32b could not be upgraded due to the screen. Don't know why, with a Geforce GT 630 video card. So - I will give up upgrading. No W10 in our house. Fokke the trick there is to d/l the Win 10 driver and use a Win 10 ISO burned to CD/DVD for upgradeing. After upgrade update the driver from your d/l. Inspite of the fact that I mentioned earlier that I wouldn't upgrade my pc's, I was curious to see of using this image would do a better job. Installing was smooth and in a short time I had W10. Pro, 64b, like my previous W7 OS. My desktop was a mess and many applications once again did not run. I tend to believe that all 32b applications refuse to run of this machine. So - I gave up and stick to W7. Fokke |
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On 22/07/2016 12:31, SC Tom wrote:
"Fokke Nauta" wrote in message ... On 22/07/2016 09:47, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 21/07/2016 21:26, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/21/2016 2:23 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 20/07/2016 22:26, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 19/07/2016 11:59, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, Yesterday I upgraded my pc to W10. It was quite easy, easier than I expected. But it was a devastating experience. Many of my applications did not run on W10. The same for Classic Shell. And it looks so cheap. W7 looks so much better. I did not know how fast to place back an image of W7. Happily running W7 again. Fokke Whatever went wrong, I don't know. But my W10 machine was a disaster. Many applications did not run. Second problem: Another pc upgraded with W10 did not run anymore. It boots and then there is a black screen. It stays there. So also put an W7 image back. I don't think I will make an effort to upgrade more of my pc's to W10. Fokke And there is a third problem. Tried to upgrade our W7 laptop to W10. It went quite succesful to a percentage of 99 (preparing for the upgrade) but it stopped there. No 100% and hence no upgrade. This is the third problem with upgrading my W7 machines. O yeah. The fourth problem. Our server running W7 Pr 32b could not be upgraded due to the screen. Don't know why, with a Geforce GT 630 video card. So - I will give up upgrading. No W10 in our house. Fokke the trick there is to d/l the Win 10 driver and use a Win 10 ISO burned to CD/DVD for upgradeing. After upgrade update the driver from your d/l. OK, and where can I find this driver? I can't find it at the MS site. I already found it. A W10 ISO image. But I won't install a fresh copy of W10 on a highly customized machine. It takes too much effort to tune it again. Your video card driver is he x86 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105036/en-us x64 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us (in case you upgrade to x64 (probably not)) Not sure if that would help. Maybe if you extracted the file (WinZip, 7Zip, etc.) to a USB stick or to a CD. Does the installation ask for a driver when it bogs, or does it just kick you out with an error? This concerns the problem with the server? I have a recent video driver installed. Everything works fine, screen resolution 1600 x 1200 px. No, the installation does not even start. It first checks as to whether the pc is suited for W10. It checks 3 items, these are all OK. But then there is the message that an update can not take place due to a screen problem. And I have to ask the administrator to find out what it is. Windows doesn't know yet that I'm the admin. Fokke |
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On 22/07/2016 00:09, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:09:46 +0200, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 21/07/2016 18:46, Ken Blake wrote: What I *have* noticed is that more people *use* Classic Shell than use Start10. I assume that's because Classic Shell is free and Start10 costs $4.99, so most of them haven't even tried Start10. They can't prefer one thing to another they haven't tried. Disagree. Although Classic Shell is free, I first purchased Start8 and Start10. I decided later that Classic Shell is simply better. I prefer it and not because it's free. I use it on all my machines, even the W7 systems. I disagree with your view of which is better, but that's fine. We don't all have to have the same preferences. As I just wrote in a reply to Char, "we all work in different ways, and have different likes and dislikes. What's better for me isn't necessarily better for you, and vice versa." I know people who prefer the tiles of the Modern interface to the classic interface of Classic Shell and Start 8/10. I strongly disagree, but I respect their right to have a preference different from mine. Similarly, I know people who prefer Linux or Macintosh to Windows. Again, I strongly disagree, but I respect their right to have a preference different from mine. As far as I'm concerned, $4.99 is close enough to free that it shouldn't be a consideration for most people in choosing which to use. So I don't think costs are an issue. For instance, I like Classic Shell because of the way it works and looks. It may be a real issue to some people, but it isn't for most. But I suspect that many people don't even want to try Start 8/10 because they treat such a small sum as a real issue even if it isn't. Perhaps you're right. Likely there are many pc users who want to spend as less as possible. My point of view is, if you want something, you'll have to pay for it. Again, I don't want to recommend that you or anyone else switch to Start 8/10. To repeat myself again: "So I'm not suggesting that anyone pay the $4.99 and move to Start 8 or Start10. What I *am* suggesting is that people do what I did: get the 30-day free trial of Start8 or Start10 and decide for yourself whether you think it's better and worth the $4.99." That quotation of course pertains to other people, not to you, who has already tried both and made his own decision. |
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Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 22/07/2016 12:31, SC Tom wrote: "Fokke Nauta" wrote in message ... On 22/07/2016 09:47, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 21/07/2016 21:26, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/21/2016 2:23 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 20/07/2016 22:26, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 19/07/2016 11:59, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, Yesterday I upgraded my pc to W10. It was quite easy, easier than I expected. But it was a devastating experience. Many of my applications did not run on W10. The same for Classic Shell. And it looks so cheap. W7 looks so much better. I did not know how fast to place back an image of W7. Happily running W7 again. Fokke Whatever went wrong, I don't know. But my W10 machine was a disaster. Many applications did not run. Second problem: Another pc upgraded with W10 did not run anymore. It boots and then there is a black screen. It stays there. So also put an W7 image back. I don't think I will make an effort to upgrade more of my pc's to W10. Fokke And there is a third problem. Tried to upgrade our W7 laptop to W10. It went quite succesful to a percentage of 99 (preparing for the upgrade) but it stopped there. No 100% and hence no upgrade. This is the third problem with upgrading my W7 machines. O yeah. The fourth problem. Our server running W7 Pr 32b could not be upgraded due to the screen. Don't know why, with a Geforce GT 630 video card. So - I will give up upgrading. No W10 in our house. Fokke the trick there is to d/l the Win 10 driver and use a Win 10 ISO burned to CD/DVD for upgradeing. After upgrade update the driver from your d/l. OK, and where can I find this driver? I can't find it at the MS site. I already found it. A W10 ISO image. But I won't install a fresh copy of W10 on a highly customized machine. It takes too much effort to tune it again. Your video card driver is he x86 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105036/en-us x64 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us (in case you upgrade to x64 (probably not)) Not sure if that would help. Maybe if you extracted the file (WinZip, 7Zip, etc.) to a USB stick or to a CD. Does the installation ask for a driver when it bogs, or does it just kick you out with an error? This concerns the problem with the server? I have a recent video driver installed. Everything works fine, screen resolution 1600 x 1200 px. No, the installation does not even start. It first checks as to whether the pc is suited for W10. It checks 3 items, these are all OK. But then there is the message that an update can not take place due to a screen problem. And I have to ask the administrator to find out what it is. Windows doesn't know yet that I'm the admin. Fokke Is there some log file you can check, for details ? Like setupact.log maybe ? Installs place those files in two places. The second file is only created and written to, after the first reboot (i.e. file copying complete, it is rebooting). You could swap video cards. Insert an ATI card, do the install, then deal with NVidia later. (Put the card back, rely on Basic Display Driver from Microsoft to take over, until your real NVidia driver for the GT 630 is installed. Keep network cable disconnected, if you suspect Microsoft-provided drivers are still causing problems.) Googling shows issues with GT 630 early on, but I cannot find any current advice for it. Nothing relevant for 10586.xxx . Paul |
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On 7/22/2016 12:00 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 22/07/2016 12:31, SC Tom wrote: "Fokke Nauta" wrote in message ... On 22/07/2016 09:47, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 21/07/2016 21:26, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/21/2016 2:23 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 20/07/2016 22:26, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 19/07/2016 11:59, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, Yesterday I upgraded my pc to W10. It was quite easy, easier than I expected. But it was a devastating experience. Many of my applications did not run on W10. The same for Classic Shell. And it looks so cheap. W7 looks so much better. I did not know how fast to place back an image of W7. Happily running W7 again. Fokke Whatever went wrong, I don't know. But my W10 machine was a disaster. Many applications did not run. Second problem: Another pc upgraded with W10 did not run anymore. It boots and then there is a black screen. It stays there. So also put an W7 image back. I don't think I will make an effort to upgrade more of my pc's to W10. Fokke And there is a third problem. Tried to upgrade our W7 laptop to W10. It went quite succesful to a percentage of 99 (preparing for the upgrade) but it stopped there. No 100% and hence no upgrade. This is the third problem with upgrading my W7 machines. O yeah. The fourth problem. Our server running W7 Pr 32b could not be upgraded due to the screen. Don't know why, with a Geforce GT 630 video card. So - I will give up upgrading. No W10 in our house. Fokke the trick there is to d/l the Win 10 driver and use a Win 10 ISO burned to CD/DVD for upgradeing. After upgrade update the driver from your d/l. OK, and where can I find this driver? I can't find it at the MS site. I already found it. A W10 ISO image. But I won't install a fresh copy of W10 on a highly customized machine. It takes too much effort to tune it again. Your video card driver is he x86 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105036/en-us x64 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us (in case you upgrade to x64 (probably not)) Not sure if that would help. Maybe if you extracted the file (WinZip, 7Zip, etc.) to a USB stick or to a CD. Does the installation ask for a driver when it bogs, or does it just kick you out with an error? This concerns the problem with the server? I have a recent video driver installed. Everything works fine, screen resolution 1600 x 1200 px. No, the installation does not even start. It first checks as to whether the pc is suited for W10. It checks 3 items, these are all OK. But then there is the message that an update can not take place due to a screen problem. And I have to ask the administrator to find out what it is. Windows doesn't know yet that I'm the admin. Fokke Upgrade using media does NOT do the checks like online so old video driver will work just not well but enough to update to required Win 10 driver. -- Zaidy036 |
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On 22/07/2016 20:31, Zaidy036 wrote:
On 7/22/2016 12:00 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 22/07/2016 12:31, SC Tom wrote: "Fokke Nauta" wrote in message ... On 22/07/2016 09:47, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 21/07/2016 21:26, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/21/2016 2:23 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 20/07/2016 22:26, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 19/07/2016 11:59, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, Yesterday I upgraded my pc to W10. It was quite easy, easier than I expected. But it was a devastating experience. Many of my applications did not run on W10. The same for Classic Shell. And it looks so cheap. W7 looks so much better. I did not know how fast to place back an image of W7. Happily running W7 again. Fokke Whatever went wrong, I don't know. But my W10 machine was a disaster. Many applications did not run. Second problem: Another pc upgraded with W10 did not run anymore. It boots and then there is a black screen. It stays there. So also put an W7 image back. I don't think I will make an effort to upgrade more of my pc's to W10. Fokke And there is a third problem. Tried to upgrade our W7 laptop to W10. It went quite succesful to a percentage of 99 (preparing for the upgrade) but it stopped there. No 100% and hence no upgrade. This is the third problem with upgrading my W7 machines. O yeah. The fourth problem. Our server running W7 Pr 32b could not be upgraded due to the screen. Don't know why, with a Geforce GT 630 video card. So - I will give up upgrading. No W10 in our house. Fokke the trick there is to d/l the Win 10 driver and use a Win 10 ISO burned to CD/DVD for upgradeing. After upgrade update the driver from your d/l. OK, and where can I find this driver? I can't find it at the MS site. I already found it. A W10 ISO image. But I won't install a fresh copy of W10 on a highly customized machine. It takes too much effort to tune it again. Your video card driver is he x86 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105036/en-us x64 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us (in case you upgrade to x64 (probably not)) Not sure if that would help. Maybe if you extracted the file (WinZip, 7Zip, etc.) to a USB stick or to a CD. Does the installation ask for a driver when it bogs, or does it just kick you out with an error? This concerns the problem with the server? I have a recent video driver installed. Everything works fine, screen resolution 1600 x 1200 px. No, the installation does not even start. It first checks as to whether the pc is suited for W10. It checks 3 items, these are all OK. But then there is the message that an update can not take place due to a screen problem. And I have to ask the administrator to find out what it is. Windows doesn't know yet that I'm the admin. Fokke Upgrade using media does NOT do the checks like online so old video driver will work just not well but enough to update to required Win 10 driver. I replaced the video card and installed the most recent driver. This after the first attempt. Did not make any difference with the 2nd attempt. |
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On 21/07/2016 22:43, Good Guy wrote:
On 21/07/2016 11:02, Fokke Nauta wrote: Do you really think I will do a fresh install on a highly customized system? No way! You asked for Windows 10 experience and that is what I gave you. People normally do whatever they feel like doing but in the end they realise it is better to start all over again because everything they have done is a complete and utter mess. That's my experience. One of my staff tried to upgrade her laptop without telling me and guess what - she couldn't run it for nearly two weeks and she was so ashamed of this that she never told anybody about it until one of my other staffs saw her using her own laptop when she shouldn't. I was surprised when she started using web-mail instead of company policy of using Outlook but I never questioned her because I trust them all. So now you know it. cut I think you misread my post. I didn't ask for a Windows 10 experience, I posted my own experience. Perhaps after you have sorted it all out, you may find that I had problems with updating 4 W7 pc's. |
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On 7/22/2016 3:10 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 22/07/2016 20:31, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/22/2016 12:00 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 22/07/2016 12:31, SC Tom wrote: "Fokke Nauta" wrote in message ... On 22/07/2016 09:47, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 21/07/2016 21:26, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/21/2016 2:23 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 20/07/2016 22:26, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 19/07/2016 11:59, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, Yesterday I upgraded my pc to W10. It was quite easy, easier than I expected. But it was a devastating experience. Many of my applications did not run on W10. The same for Classic Shell. And it looks so cheap. W7 looks so much better. I did not know how fast to place back an image of W7. Happily running W7 again. Fokke Whatever went wrong, I don't know. But my W10 machine was a disaster. Many applications did not run. Second problem: Another pc upgraded with W10 did not run anymore. It boots and then there is a black screen. It stays there. So also put an W7 image back. I don't think I will make an effort to upgrade more of my pc's to W10. Fokke And there is a third problem. Tried to upgrade our W7 laptop to W10. It went quite succesful to a percentage of 99 (preparing for the upgrade) but it stopped there. No 100% and hence no upgrade. This is the third problem with upgrading my W7 machines. O yeah. The fourth problem. Our server running W7 Pr 32b could not be upgraded due to the screen. Don't know why, with a Geforce GT 630 video card. So - I will give up upgrading. No W10 in our house. Fokke the trick there is to d/l the Win 10 driver and use a Win 10 ISO burned to CD/DVD for upgradeing. After upgrade update the driver from your d/l. OK, and where can I find this driver? I can't find it at the MS site. I already found it. A W10 ISO image. But I won't install a fresh copy of W10 on a highly customized machine. It takes too much effort to tune it again. Your video card driver is he x86 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105036/en-us x64 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us (in case you upgrade to x64 (probably not)) Not sure if that would help. Maybe if you extracted the file (WinZip, 7Zip, etc.) to a USB stick or to a CD. Does the installation ask for a driver when it bogs, or does it just kick you out with an error? This concerns the problem with the server? I have a recent video driver installed. Everything works fine, screen resolution 1600 x 1200 px. No, the installation does not even start. It first checks as to whether the pc is suited for W10. It checks 3 items, these are all OK. But then there is the message that an update can not take place due to a screen problem. And I have to ask the administrator to find out what it is. Windows doesn't know yet that I'm the admin. Fokke Upgrade using media does NOT do the checks like online so old video driver will work just not well but enough to update to required Win 10 driver. I replaced the video card and installed the most recent driver. This after the first attempt. Did not make any difference with the 2nd attempt. Leave the Win 7 driver in place and then upgrade and install Win 10 driver which will not work correctly on 7 -- Zaidy036 |
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Zaidy036 wrote:
On 7/22/2016 3:10 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 22/07/2016 20:31, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/22/2016 12:00 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 22/07/2016 12:31, SC Tom wrote: "Fokke Nauta" wrote in message ... On 22/07/2016 09:47, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 21/07/2016 21:26, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/21/2016 2:23 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 20/07/2016 22:26, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 19/07/2016 11:59, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, Yesterday I upgraded my pc to W10. It was quite easy, easier than I expected. But it was a devastating experience. Many of my applications did not run on W10. The same for Classic Shell. And it looks so cheap. W7 looks so much better. I did not know how fast to place back an image of W7. Happily running W7 again. Fokke Whatever went wrong, I don't know. But my W10 machine was a disaster. Many applications did not run. Second problem: Another pc upgraded with W10 did not run anymore. It boots and then there is a black screen. It stays there. So also put an W7 image back. I don't think I will make an effort to upgrade more of my pc's to W10. Fokke And there is a third problem. Tried to upgrade our W7 laptop to W10. It went quite succesful to a percentage of 99 (preparing for the upgrade) but it stopped there. No 100% and hence no upgrade. This is the third problem with upgrading my W7 machines. O yeah. The fourth problem. Our server running W7 Pr 32b could not be upgraded due to the screen. Don't know why, with a Geforce GT 630 video card. So - I will give up upgrading. No W10 in our house. Fokke the trick there is to d/l the Win 10 driver and use a Win 10 ISO burned to CD/DVD for upgradeing. After upgrade update the driver from your d/l. OK, and where can I find this driver? I can't find it at the MS site. I already found it. A W10 ISO image. But I won't install a fresh copy of W10 on a highly customized machine. It takes too much effort to tune it again. Your video card driver is he x86 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105036/en-us x64 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us (in case you upgrade to x64 (probably not)) Not sure if that would help. Maybe if you extracted the file (WinZip, 7Zip, etc.) to a USB stick or to a CD. Does the installation ask for a driver when it bogs, or does it just kick you out with an error? This concerns the problem with the server? I have a recent video driver installed. Everything works fine, screen resolution 1600 x 1200 px. No, the installation does not even start. It first checks as to whether the pc is suited for W10. It checks 3 items, these are all OK. But then there is the message that an update can not take place due to a screen problem. And I have to ask the administrator to find out what it is. Windows doesn't know yet that I'm the admin. Fokke Upgrade using media does NOT do the checks like online so old video driver will work just not well but enough to update to required Win 10 driver. I replaced the video card and installed the most recent driver. This after the first attempt. Did not make any difference with the 2nd attempt. Leave the Win 7 driver in place and then upgrade and install Win 10 driver which will not work correctly on 7 If you install from a recent DVD, it should be able to install the Basic Display Driver during the installation. Then you can install a vendor driver after that. You could try that, with or without network cable connected, and see if it makes a difference. Paul |
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On 22/07/2016 20:20, Fokke Nauta wrote:
Perhaps after you have sorted it all out, you may find that I had problems with updating 4 W7 pc's. I didn't misunderstand your post; I understood you very well and you have now confirmed that you had problems updating 4 Win7 machines and still you want to continue "updating" them when I told you that clean installation is what you should be doing as I have used it and it worked 100% of the time. Does this quote remind you of somebody? doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results The choice is yours. 29th is not very far now. On a second thought, Win10 may not be the ideal solution for many of the posters here. -- With over 350 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Windows 10 experience
On 22/07/2016 22:01, Paul wrote:
Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/22/2016 3:10 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 22/07/2016 20:31, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/22/2016 12:00 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 22/07/2016 12:31, SC Tom wrote: "Fokke Nauta" wrote in message ... On 22/07/2016 09:47, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 21/07/2016 21:26, Zaidy036 wrote: On 7/21/2016 2:23 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 20/07/2016 22:26, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 19/07/2016 11:59, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, Yesterday I upgraded my pc to W10. It was quite easy, easier than I expected. But it was a devastating experience. Many of my applications did not run on W10. The same for Classic Shell. And it looks so cheap. W7 looks so much better. I did not know how fast to place back an image of W7. Happily running W7 again. Fokke Whatever went wrong, I don't know. But my W10 machine was a disaster. Many applications did not run. Second problem: Another pc upgraded with W10 did not run anymore. It boots and then there is a black screen. It stays there. So also put an W7 image back. I don't think I will make an effort to upgrade more of my pc's to W10. Fokke And there is a third problem. Tried to upgrade our W7 laptop to W10. It went quite succesful to a percentage of 99 (preparing for the upgrade) but it stopped there. No 100% and hence no upgrade. This is the third problem with upgrading my W7 machines. O yeah. The fourth problem. Our server running W7 Pr 32b could not be upgraded due to the screen. Don't know why, with a Geforce GT 630 video card. So - I will give up upgrading. No W10 in our house. Fokke the trick there is to d/l the Win 10 driver and use a Win 10 ISO burned to CD/DVD for upgradeing. After upgrade update the driver from your d/l. OK, and where can I find this driver? I can't find it at the MS site. I already found it. A W10 ISO image. But I won't install a fresh copy of W10 on a highly customized machine. It takes too much effort to tune it again. Your video card driver is he x86 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105036/en-us x64 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us (in case you upgrade to x64 (probably not)) Not sure if that would help. Maybe if you extracted the file (WinZip, 7Zip, etc.) to a USB stick or to a CD. Does the installation ask for a driver when it bogs, or does it just kick you out with an error? This concerns the problem with the server? I have a recent video driver installed. Everything works fine, screen resolution 1600 x 1200 px. No, the installation does not even start. It first checks as to whether the pc is suited for W10. It checks 3 items, these are all OK. But then there is the message that an update can not take place due to a screen problem. And I have to ask the administrator to find out what it is. Windows doesn't know yet that I'm the admin. Fokke Upgrade using media does NOT do the checks like online so old video driver will work just not well but enough to update to required Win 10 driver. I replaced the video card and installed the most recent driver. This after the first attempt. Did not make any difference with the 2nd attempt. Leave the Win 7 driver in place and then upgrade and install Win 10 driver which will not work correctly on 7 If you install from a recent DVD, it should be able to install the Basic Display Driver during the installation. Then you can install a vendor driver after that. You could try that, with or without network cable connected, and see if it makes a difference. Paul Thanks. But I have given up. Four of our 5 machines did not upgrade to W10 properly. My workstation (was W7 Pro 64b) did not allow 32b applications to run after being upgraded. Our laptop (was W7 Pro 64b) did nog go further than 99% of the preperation, so was never upgraded at all. Our multimedia pc (was W7 pro 32b) did not start after being upgraded. And the server (was W7 Pro 32b) couldn't be upgraded due to a screen issue. I have really given op. Stick to W7. Fokke |
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On 23/07/2016 03:37, Good Guy wrote:
On 22/07/2016 20:20, Fokke Nauta wrote: Perhaps after you have sorted it all out, you may find that I had problems with updating 4 W7 pc's. I didn't misunderstand your post; I understood you very well and you have now confirmed that you had problems updating 4 Win7 machines and still you want to continue "updating" them when I told you that clean installation is what you should be doing as I have used it and it worked 100% of the time. Does this quote remind you of somebody? doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results The choice is yours. 29th is not very far now. On a second thought, Win10 may not be the ideal solution for many of the posters here. cut I have used the W10 iso image as well. With the same results: 32b appliactions refused to run. I'll stick to W7. |
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On 23/07/2016 13:41, Fokke Nauta wrote:
I'll stick to W7. Yes very good idea. I wanted to tell you this but forgot about it. Windows 10 is not for everyone on these newsgroups. For some people they can stay with XP because it ain't broken and does what they want it to do; some have stupidly gone to use 7 and they should stay with it. Some of us who have pressing needs, need latest OS and so Windows 10 is what we have and they work 100% of the time. However, we are a few endangered species for whom technology is second nature and it comes naturally. Good luck. -- With over 350 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Good Guy wrote:
On 23/07/2016 13:41, Fokke Nauta wrote: I'll stick to W7. Yes very good idea. I wanted to tell you this but forgot about it. Windows 10 is not for everyone on these newsgroups. Microsoft made some promises, during the Preview era. That they would use feedback from the installs, to "coax" installs into the machines. Even if GWX did not grant you an install on the first day, it would happen eventually, because the telemetry would tell them what to fix. During the Preview era, drivers were pretty good. I can only assume that during that time, Windows 8.1 drivers were being used. When the actual release came along, the drivers fell apart. I had around 20 items in Device Manager with no driver. I waited two months - no patch fixed my Device Manager. I fixed it myself. I also tracked down the one and only ATI Crimson driver (which wasn't supposed to work for my card, but it did), so I could have a video driver that no longer throws errors on every boot. So the grand promise, didn't actually happen. The thing was a rickety mess, when shipped. Somehow, the transition from the Preview era (things worked good) to Release, things went to hell. Take a look at Optimus users, as the pinnacle of torture (that's the laptops with two GPUs, where a low power or high power GPU is used on demand). That's the kind of driver that would need to be tested months in advance (i.e. during the Preview Era, not during six months of Release). If a few people are ****ed off at the lack of careful integration, this should not come as a surprise. You have to be pretty motivated to solve some of these problems - such as a Start menu that doesn't work on a *clean* install. What excuse can one make for that ? Didn't they catch that in testing ? And why was the response to that issue, so (silent and) slow ? Yes, I blame the users. It's all their fault. Paul |
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