I killed a mouse today

On 01/11/2019 21.33, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-11-01 2:50 p.m., Paul wrote:
SC Tom wrote:

+1 on the Duracell warning. I had to completely disassemble and clean
a TV remote after it started acting erratically. Baking soda and a
soldering iron fixed it :-(
I had the same experience with a pack of Maxell batteries. They're on
my Sheldon Cooper mortal enemy list, too :-)

There are no Duracells in my spare battery heap.

Experience is the best teacher.



Duracells are just marketing hype and crappy battery's, IÂ* use Panasonic
as my number 1 choice.

I had no issues with Duracells (or Energizer)... I had with the
supermarket own names. Nonames.

When I can, I use rechargeable cells.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2019-11-01 4:42 p.m., s|b wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 18:44:55 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

About July 11th 2019 I bought a new Logitech M705 Marathon mouse From
Amazon.

Got the same one. Been using it for years now. Only had to replace the
batteries once.


Apparently their are 2 series, The first series were deemed Great, :-)
the second series not so much. :-(
I had the second series. :-(

Rene

On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:50:47 -0400, Paul wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

+1 on the Duracell warning. I had to completely disassemble and clean a
TV remote after it started acting erratically. Baking soda and a
soldering iron fixed it :-(
I had the same experience with a pack of Maxell batteries. They're on my
Sheldon Cooper mortal enemy list, too :-)

There are no Duracells in my spare battery heap.

Experience is the best teacher.

Checking my box of spare batteries, I see that all are Duracell, except for
a lone AA Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable. I'm not sure what that Sanyo is still
doing there, since Sanyo sold that technology ages ago.

No problems with Duracell here. I'm sure I don't seek them out when it's
time to buy, but they seem to be as good as anything else so they're fine
with me.

On 2019-11-01 5:32 p.m., Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:50:47 -0400, Paul wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

+1 on the Duracell warning. I had to completely disassemble and clean a
TV remote after it started acting erratically. Baking soda and a
soldering iron fixed it :-(
I had the same experience with a pack of Maxell batteries. They're on my
Sheldon Cooper mortal enemy list, too :-)

There are no Duracells in my spare battery heap.

Experience is the best teacher.

Checking my box of spare batteries, I see that all are Duracell, except for
a lone AA Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable. I'm not sure what that Sanyo is still
doing there, since Sanyo sold that technology ages ago.

No problems with Duracell here. I'm sure I don't seek them out when it's
time to buy, but they seem to be as good as anything else so they're fine
with me.


I should have mentioned price, At our local stores they seem to be
nearly double the price of the Panasonics, but on Amazon they seem to be
competitive.
As for quality the tests and reviews seem to deem them equal to other
brands, so YMMV.

Rene

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:50:47 -0400, Paul wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

+1 on the Duracell warning. I had to completely disassemble and clean a
TV remote after it started acting erratically. Baking soda and a
soldering iron fixed it :-(
I had the same experience with a pack of Maxell batteries. They're on my
Sheldon Cooper mortal enemy list, too :-)
There are no Duracells in my spare battery heap.

Experience is the best teacher.

Checking my box of spare batteries, I see that all are Duracell, except for
a lone AA Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable. I'm not sure what that Sanyo is still
doing there, since Sanyo sold that technology ages ago.

No problems with Duracell here. I'm sure I don't seek them out when it's
time to buy, but they seem to be as good as anything else so they're fine
with me.


From the outgoing battery box.

https://i.postimg.cc/kMRJsxcw/duracell.jpg

Paul

On 2019-11-01 9:32 p.m., Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:50:47 -0400, Paul wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

+1 on the Duracell warning. I had to completely disassemble and
clean a TV remote after it started acting erratically. Baking soda
and a soldering iron fixed it :-(
I had the same experience with a pack of Maxell batteries. They're
on my Sheldon Cooper mortal enemy list, too :-)
There are no Duracells in my spare battery heap.

Experience is the best teacher.

Checking my box of spare batteries, I see that all are Duracell,
except for
a lone AA Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable. I'm not sure what that Sanyo is
still
doing there, since Sanyo sold that technology ages ago.

No problems with Duracell here. I'm sure I don't seek them out when it's
time to buy, but they seem to be as good as anything else so they're fine
with me.


From the outgoing battery box.

https://i.postimg.cc/kMRJsxcw/duracell.jpg

Â*Â* Paul

Yep, that is an ugly battery. :-(

Rene

On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 22:32:56 -0400, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:50:47 -0400, Paul wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

+1 on the Duracell warning. I had to completely disassemble and clean a
TV remote after it started acting erratically. Baking soda and a
soldering iron fixed it :-(
I had the same experience with a pack of Maxell batteries. They're on my
Sheldon Cooper mortal enemy list, too :-)
There are no Duracells in my spare battery heap.

Experience is the best teacher.

Checking my box of spare batteries, I see that all are Duracell, except for
a lone AA Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable. I'm not sure what that Sanyo is still
doing there, since Sanyo sold that technology ages ago.

No problems with Duracell here. I'm sure I don't seek them out when it's
time to buy, but they seem to be as good as anything else so they're fine
with me.


From the outgoing battery box.

https://i.postimg.cc/kMRJsxcw/duracell.jpg

Better not check Google images for leaking alkalines. You won't like what
you see. Bottom line, use what makes you feel good. I don't want to be the
one to burst your bubble.

On 02/11/2019 03.32, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:50:47 -0400, Paul wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

+1 on the Duracell warning. I had to completely disassemble and
clean a TV remote after it started acting erratically. Baking soda
and a soldering iron fixed it :-(
I had the same experience with a pack of Maxell batteries. They're
on my Sheldon Cooper mortal enemy list, too :-)
There are no Duracells in my spare battery heap.

Experience is the best teacher.

Checking my box of spare batteries, I see that all are Duracell,
except for
a lone AA Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable. I'm not sure what that Sanyo is
still
doing there, since Sanyo sold that technology ages ago.

No problems with Duracell here. I'm sure I don't seek them out when it's
time to buy, but they seem to be as good as anything else so they're fine
with me.


From the outgoing battery box.

https://i.postimg.cc/kMRJsxcw/duracell.jpg


Maybe what you have to blame is not the batteries, but the devices using
them way beyond they are dead without warning the user (beep, beep...).
Many battery operated devices nowdays use so little current that they
can work with voltages close to 1 volt for months, and it is this which
causes the batteries to leak "earlier" than they would normally.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 02/11/2019 03.32, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:50:47 -0400, Paul wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

+1 on the Duracell warning. I had to completely disassemble and
clean a TV remote after it started acting erratically. Baking soda
and a soldering iron fixed it :-(
I had the same experience with a pack of Maxell batteries. They're
on my Sheldon Cooper mortal enemy list, too :-)
There are no Duracells in my spare battery heap.

Experience is the best teacher.
Checking my box of spare batteries, I see that all are Duracell,
except for
a lone AA Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable. I'm not sure what that Sanyo is
still
doing there, since Sanyo sold that technology ages ago.

No problems with Duracell here. I'm sure I don't seek them out when it's
time to buy, but they seem to be as good as anything else so they're fine
with me.

From the outgoing battery box.

https://i.postimg.cc/kMRJsxcw/duracell.jpg


Maybe what you have to blame is not the batteries, but the devices using
them way beyond they are dead without warning the user (beep, beep...).
Many battery operated devices nowdays use so little current that they
can work with voltages close to 1 volt for months, and it is this which
causes the batteries to leak "earlier" than they would normally.


And yet, other brands don't seem to do this with
quite the flair of the Duracell product.

I've solved the problem here, for the time being.

Paul

"Carlos E.R." wrote:

On 02/11/2019 03.32, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:50:47 -0400, Paul wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

+1 on the Duracell warning. I had to completely disassemble and
clean a TV remote after it started acting erratically. Baking soda
and a soldering iron fixed it :-(
I had the same experience with a pack of Maxell batteries. They're
on my Sheldon Cooper mortal enemy list, too :-)
There are no Duracells in my spare battery heap.

Experience is the best teacher.

Checking my box of spare batteries, I see that all are Duracell,
except for
a lone AA Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable. I'm not sure what that Sanyo is
still
doing there, since Sanyo sold that technology ages ago.

No problems with Duracell here. I'm sure I don't seek them out when it's
time to buy, but they seem to be as good as anything else so they're fine
with me.


From the outgoing battery box.

https://i.postimg.cc/kMRJsxcw/duracell.jpg

Maybe what you have to blame is not the batteries, but the devices using
them way beyond they are dead without warning the user (beep, beep...).
Many battery operated devices nowdays use so little current that they
can work with voltages close to 1 volt for months, and it is this which
causes the batteries to leak "earlier" than they would normally.

How does a flashlight that remains powered off waiting until it next
gets used in any way alter the state of battery or put any load on it?
I just lost 2 flashlights when going through everything with a
replaceable battery to replace the batteries. 2 others were recoverable
because the leakage was not corrosive but just caked up around the
contact which was easily removed. Those with Duracells that leaked had
eaten the contacts. When placed in service is when you start measuring
the year for after which you should replace the batteries.

For devices that are used regularly, I don't have a problem with leaking
batteries since they get used up (drained) long before they would have a
problem with leaking. It is the devices that remained stored for months
waiting until they next get used, like emergency lights. A battery
might have an expiration that is 5 years away but is its shelf life.
Once put into service, they need to get replaced after a year. Who puts
batteries into a flashlight without following by turning it on to check
it works okay? Well, you just started its 1-year service lifespan to
remain safe from leakage. Alas, most users, including me, will put
batteries into a flashlight and then leave it in a drawer until whenever
it is needed. That could be well over a year before you go to use it,
find the batteries have died, go to replace them, and then find the
battery leaked. With other than Duracell, I can often just clean away
the leakage or restore the contacts. With Duracells, the contacts have
been corroded and might be salvagable but too often the device goes into
the trash and I have to get a replacement. After doing some research,
the printed shelf life of a battery is not how long you can store it
inside a device because likely you will use the battery in that device
sometime before the shelf life expires.

There has been a court case against Duracell. It was when they declared
the expiration date only applied to non-used shelf life and never to
lifespan while stored after being put into service that got them off.

Battery makers like to keep secret their special elixir for the paste
inside their batteries, like ink makers keep secret their ingredients.
I've had many batteries leak over many decades of using them, but some
are easy to cleanup and have not damaged the contacts. Duracells seem
more caustic than others, so their leakage corrodes the contacts.

To prevent gassing at the end of the battery's life, an excess of
manganese should be used than is required for reaction with the zinc.
Perhaps Duracell doesn't add enough manganese. I've used many brands,
and most don't leak just because they died over time while stored in a
device (anymore than they would leak sitting on the shelf never used).
Duracells seem more inclined to leak while sitting in storage but after
being put into service, not when sitting on the shelf never used. I've
never bothered to cut apart a Duracell to check if they employ a plastic
gasket (seal cap) which is added to improve leakage resistance. Some
pastes seem more wet than others, too, in that when opened they will
spill out some liquid (it isn't held in the paste). For example, if you
puncture a Duracell battery, it starts leaking immediately. Some liquid
is not emulsified into the paste. I don't mean some paste oozes out. I
mean a liquid drips out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNT8uUQbitk

At timemark 1:44, the author says a rubber tube is used to separate the
positive and negative [chemical] poles. Yet from what I've seen of
others cutting through Duracells, they found a cardboard tube. At
timemark 2:38 is shown the potassium hydrochloride gel. That looks a
lot more emulsified than the liquid that drips out of a Duracell when
punctured. It's as if the emulsified gel has separated. When gassing
starts, it'd be a lot easier for liquid to escape than a gel.

In article , VanguardLH
wrote:

A battery
might have an expiration that is 5 years away but is its shelf life.
Once put into service, they need to get replaced after a year.

no they don't. they only need to be replaced if they're dead.

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:07:48 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Apparently their are 2 series, The first series were deemed Great, :-)
the second series not so much. :-(
I had the second series. :-(

Damn! I didn't know that. I was thinking of buying another one, to keep
as a backup.

--
s|b

On 2019-11-02 5:11 p.m., s|b wrote:
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:07:48 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Apparently their are 2 series, The first series were deemed Great, :-)
the second series not so much. :-(
I had the second series. :-(

Damn! I didn't know that. I was thinking of buying another one, to keep
as a backup.


You can find some details here re the two versions

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wire...ews/B003TG75EG.

Rene

On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 18:38:22 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 2019-11-02 5:11 p.m., s|b wrote:
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:07:48 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Apparently their are 2 series, The first series were deemed Great, :-)
the second series not so much. :-(
I had the second series. :-(

Damn! I didn't know that. I was thinking of buying another one, to keep
as a backup.


You can find some details here re the two versions

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wire...ews/B003TG75EG.

I've apparently been lucky. I've bought a half dozen M705's in recent years
and I see now that all of them have been Series II. After reading the
reviews that describe the differences between that and Series I, I'm very
happy with what I have. The last thing I need is another button, especially
a button under my thumb.

On 2019-11-02 8:06 p.m., Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 18:38:22 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 2019-11-02 5:11 p.m., s|b wrote:
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:07:48 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Apparently their are 2 series, The first series were deemed Great, :-)
the second series not so much. :-(
I had the second series. :-(

Damn! I didn't know that. I was thinking of buying another one, to keep
as a backup.


You can find some details here re the two versions

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wire...ews/B003TG75EG.

I've apparently been lucky. I've bought a half dozen M705's in recent years
and I see now that all of them have been Series II. After reading the
reviews that describe the differences between that and Series I, I'm very
happy with what I have. The last thing I need is another button, especially
a button under my thumb.


I don't like side or thumb buttons, my hands are too large and I can't
reach them easily, I'm happy with just the regular buttons.

Rene