WINDOWS XP HOME EDITION : UPGRADE vs FULL INSTALL VERSION

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL INSTALL VERSION & AN UPGRADE VERSION?
MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS ME.
I THOUGHT I PURCHASED A FULL INSTALL VERSION BUT IT IS THE UPGRADE
VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME.
I WANTED TO DO A FULL INSTALLATION.

CAN I STILL DO A FULL INSTALL. WITH THE UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME
EDITION ?

JACOBS,JAKE wrote:
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL INSTALL VERSION & AN UPGRADE
VERSION? MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS ME.
I THOUGHT I PURCHASED A FULL INSTALL VERSION BUT IT IS THE
UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME.
I WANTED TO DO A FULL INSTALLATION.

CAN I STILL DO A FULL INSTALL. WITH THE UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP
HOME EDITION ?

Windows XP does not allow those with permanently stuck caps-lock keys to
install (clean or update.) Sorry.
*grin* Seriously - try normal typed text - easier to read.

Anyway - you can perform a clean installation with an upgrade version of
Windows XP *if* you have the media for the qualified upgrade (in other
words, you still have your Windows 9x/ME CD lying around.)

*** Remember - this is a CLEAN install - all yor files you don't backup -
GONE! ***

Boot from the Windows XP CD (Retail, OEM, Upgrade..)
Delete all partitions..
Create new partition(s)..
Follow on-screen instructions for the installation..

When it asks for you to insert the qualified media - put in your Windows
9x/ME CD..

That little point where you do that is the only difference between your
Clean Install and anyone elses.

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JACOBS,JAKE respectfully replied ;-)
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL INSTALL VERSION & AN UPGRADE
VERSION? MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS ME.
I THOUGHT I PURCHASED A FULL INSTALL VERSION BUT IT IS THE
UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME.
I WANTED TO DO A FULL INSTALLATION.

CAN I STILL DO A FULL INSTALL. WITH THE UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP
HOME EDITION ?

Yes, details located in link below. Please post in upper and lower case as
all caps is the same as shouting in newsgroups and email. It is also more
difficult to read.
Click on or copy and paste the link below into your web browser address bar.
How to clean install XP.
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you can do a full install with the upgrade - all you need is the cd from a
previous version to qualify for the upgrade the XP install process checks
for the previous OS either on your Hard Drive or asks for the CD.
Please turn your caps lock off.

"JACOBS,JAKE" wrote in message
...
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL INSTALL VERSION & AN UPGRADE
VERSION?
MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS ME.
I THOUGHT I PURCHASED A FULL INSTALL VERSION BUT IT IS THE
UPGRADE
VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME.
I WANTED TO DO A FULL INSTALLATION.

CAN I STILL DO A FULL INSTALL. WITH THE UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME
EDITION ?

JACOBS,JAKE wrote:
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL INSTALL VERSION & AN UPGRADE VERSION?


The Upgrade license requires that you own an earlier, qualifying
Microsoft OS to justify the discounted purchase price. Think of it as
being like the "loyalty rebates" some automobile companies offer when
you trade-in for another of their products.


MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS ME.
I THOUGHT I PURCHASED A FULL INSTALL VERSION BUT IT IS THE UPGRADE
VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME.
I WANTED TO DO A FULL INSTALLATION.

CAN I STILL DO A FULL INSTALL. WITH THE UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME
EDITION ?





It's quite possible to perform a clean installation using the
Upgrade CD, provided you have the true installation CD for the earlier
OS.

Simply boot from the WinXP Upgrade CD. You'll be offered the
opportunity to delete, create, and format partitions as part of the
installation process. The Upgrade CD checks to see if a qualifying OS
is installed, and, if it finds none, it asks you to insert the
installation media (CD) of that OS. Unfortunately, an OEM
"Recovery/Restore" CD will not work for this purpose; you must have a
true installation CD, complete with the "\Win98" folder and *.cab
files, or the "\i386" folder of WinNT/2K.

Alternatively, or especially if all you have is an OEM Recovery CD
for the earlier OS, you can even start the upgrade from within the
current Win98/Me/NT/2K installation, and still elect to perform a
clean installation, to include formatting the drive. In this case,
there's no further request for the qualifying OS's installation CD,
because the installation routing "remembers" that you started from
within the qualifying OS. This process is more time-consuming, but
you get the same results: a clean installation of WinXP.

Have you made sure that your PC's hardware components are capable
of supporting WinXP? This information will be found at the PC's
manufacturer's web site, and on Microsoft's Windows Catalog:
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx) Additionally, run
Microsoft WinXP Upgrade Advisor to see if you have any incompatible
hardware components or applications.

You should, before proceeding, take a few minutes to ensure that
there are WinXP device drivers available for all of the machine's
components. There may not be, if the PC was specifically designed for
Win98/Me. Also bear in mind that PCs designed for, sold and run fine
with Win9x/Me very often do not meet WinXP's much more stringent
hardware quality requirements. This is particularly true of many
models in Compaq's consumer-class Presario product line or HP's
consumer-class Pavilion product line. WinXP, like WinNT and Win2K
before it, is quite sensitive to borderline defective or substandard
hardware (particularly motherboards, RAM and hard drives) that will
still support Win9x.

HOW TO Prepare to Upgrade Win98 or WinMe
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q316639

Upgrading to Windows XP
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpupgrad.htm


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In ,
JACOBS,JAKE typed:

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL INSTALL VERSION & AN
UPGRADE
VERSION? MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS ME.
I THOUGHT I PURCHASED A FULL INSTALL VERSION BUT IT
IS THE
UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME.
I WANTED TO DO A FULL INSTALLATION.

CAN I STILL DO A FULL INSTALL. WITH THE UPGRADE VERSION OF
WINDOWS XP
HOME EDITION ?


Please don't yell at us. We can hear you if you type normally, in
mixed case.

The requirement to use an upgrade version is to *own* a previous
qualifying version's installation CD (with an OEM restore CD, see
below), not to have it installed. When setup doesn't find a
previous qualifying version installed, it will prompt you to
insert its CD as proof of ownership. Just insert the previous
version's CD, and follow the prompts. Everything proceeds quite
normally and quite legitimately.

You can also do a clean installation if you have an OEM restore
CD of a previous qualifying version. It's more complicated, but
it *can* be done. First restore from the Restore CD. Then run the
XP upgrade CD from within that restored system, and change from
Upgrade to New Install. When it asks where, press Esc to delete
the partition and start over.

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Ken Blake wrote:
In ,
JACOBS,JAKE typed:

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL INSTALL VERSION & AN
UPGRADE
VERSION? MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS ME.
I THOUGHT I PURCHASED A FULL INSTALL VERSION BUT IT
IS THE
UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME.
I WANTED TO DO A FULL INSTALLATION.

CAN I STILL DO A FULL INSTALL. WITH THE UPGRADE VERSION OF
WINDOWS XP
HOME EDITION ?


Please don't yell at us. We can hear you if you type normally, in
mixed case.

The requirement to use an upgrade version is to *own* a previous
qualifying version's installation CD (with an OEM restore CD, see
below), not to have it installed.

This is patently untrue. If you have a previous version of Windows
installed on your HD, and prepare your disk for a clean installation of XP
by booting from the XP CD, and partition and format it from within Setup,
the Setup program will NEVER ask for qualifying media. I too used to think
that inserting physical media as proof of qualifying media was necessary
(the only time I remember doing this, by the way, was when I purchased the
Retail Upgrade version of Windows ME, and used fdisk/format to prepare my HD
prior to using the ME Upgrade CD. The setup program of Windows MD DID ask me
for qualifying media). Then I purchased an XP Retail Upgrade CD and did a
clean install of XP with an existing installation of Windows on my HD. I
was truly surprised when I was NEVER asked to insert qualifying media. This
is true for the XP Professional Retail Upgrade CD. It may or may not be
true for the XP Home Edition Retail Upgrade CD.

When setup doesn't find a
previous qualifying version installed,

The above will only be true IF you prepare your HD for installation by using
third-party or Microsoft disk preparation software(such as fdisk/format) to
remove the existing installation of Windows prior to booting with the XP
install CD. If you use the XP install CD to boot your computer, and leave
an existing installation of Windows on your HD, the XP Setup program will
find the existing installation and take it as proof of qualifying media with
no questions asked or input required, including install media from a
previous version of Windows.

it will prompt you to
insert its CD as proof of ownership. Just insert the previous
version's CD, and follow the prompts. Everything proceeds quite
normally and quite legitimately.

You can also do a clean installation if you have an OEM restore
CD of a previous qualifying version. It's more complicated, but
it *can* be done. First restore from the Restore CD. Then run the
XP upgrade CD from within that restored system, and change from
Upgrade to New Install. When it asks where, press Esc to delete
the partition and start over.

The one time I attempted to do this, I was trying to install Windows 2000
cleanly using the Win2k Retail Upgrade CD. I started the Win2k Setup
program from within Windows ME. During this I attempted to delete all
partitions. The setup program would not allow me to delete the boot
partition, as you seem to claim the Windows XP Setup program will allow. Of
course, this may have been changed in the XP Setup program, and it WILL
allow you to delete the boot partition. Or perhaps I am misunderstanding
you.


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Donald L McDaniel typed:

Ken Blake wrote:

The requirement to use an upgrade version is to *own* a
previous
qualifying version's installation CD (with an OEM restore CD,
see
below), not to have it installed.

This is patently untrue.


Wrong. It is absolutely true.


If you have a previous version of Windows
installed on your HD, and prepare your disk for a clean
installation
of XP by booting from the XP CD, and partition and format it
from
within Setup, the Setup program will NEVER ask for qualifying
media.


I didn't say otherwise. You are talking about the situation where
a previous version *is* installed. I am talking about doing a
clean installation of Windows XP with the Upgrade version when no
previous version is installed.

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Michael Stevens wrote:
In ,
JACOBS,JAKE respectfully
replied ;-)
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL INSTALL VERSION & AN UPGRADE
VERSION? MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS ME.
I THOUGHT I PURCHASED A FULL INSTALL VERSION BUT IT IS THE
UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME.
I WANTED TO DO A FULL INSTALLATION.

CAN I STILL DO A FULL INSTALL. WITH THE UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP
HOME EDITION ?

Yes, details located in link below. Please post in upper and lower
case as all caps is the same as shouting in newsgroups and email. It
is also more difficult to read.
Click on or copy and paste the link below into your web browser
address bar. How to clean install XP.
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

Mr. Stevens:

Why have mine and Ken Blake's posts disappeared from this newsgroup? They
appear in Google's archive of posts for this particular newsgroup.

If somehow you have caused them to be "censored", I would like a good
explanation for this being done. Both Mr. Blake and I gave good information
concerning this matter. I posted information after having experienced using
the XP Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install. My posts were respectful and
professional, and well within the bonds of decency. I see no reason why
they should have been censored. If you would like to continue this
discussion via email, my address is:

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:06:53 -0700, Donald L McDaniel wrote:

Mr. Stevens:

Why have mine and Ken Blake's posts disappeared from this newsgroup? They
appear in Google's archive of posts for this particular newsgroup.

If somehow you have caused them to be "censored", I would like a good
explanation for this being done. Both Mr. Blake and I gave good information
concerning this matter. I posted information after having experienced using
the XP Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install. My posts were respectful and
professional, and well within the bonds of decency. I see no reason why
they should have been censored. If you would like to continue this
discussion via email, my address is:

Your posts are showing up... check to see if you've accidently Kill
Filed yourself.



Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

Ken Blake wrote:
In ,
Donald L McDaniel typed:

Ken Blake wrote:

The requirement to use an upgrade version is to *own* a
previous
qualifying version's installation CD (with an OEM restore CD,
see
below), not to have it installed.

This is patently untrue.


Wrong. It is absolutely true.


If you have a previous version of Windows
installed on your HD, and prepare your disk for a clean
installation
of XP by booting from the XP CD, and partition and format it
from
within Setup, the Setup program will NEVER ask for qualifying
media.


I didn't say otherwise. You are talking about the situation where
a previous version *is* installed. I am talking about doing a
clean installation of Windows XP with the Upgrade version when no
previous version is installed.

Mr. Blake, how can your statement

"The requirement to use an upgrade version is to *own* a previous qualifying
version's installation CD (with an OEM restore CD, see below), not to have
it installed."

be absolutely true? If this were so, my experience would not be true. I
know what I experienced. All that IS required is to have a licensed version
of Windows EITHER previously installed, OR on installation media. If your
licensed version of Windows is already installed, that is taken by the XP
setup program as proof of qualifying media. If this were not so, I would
not have experienced the ability to fully and cleanly install XP using the
XP Retail Upgrade CD. If somehow you (and the others posting in this
thread) have misunderstood the licensing requirements for XP, I could
understand your (and their) confusion.

As long as there is a licensed copy of a version of Windows on your HD, you
will be able to use the Retail Upgrade kit to cleanly install XP, and you
will NOT need physical media in the form of a CD containing a version of
Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.1/2k/XP(except for Windows 95 -- however, about Windows
95 I am not sure, having never used an upgrade CD to do a clean install when
Windows 95 was resident on my HD.)

My desire is to help those who have through their own bad judgment thrown
out old copies of Windows, and if they followed your advice, they would have
to pay for a copy of Windows 95/9x/ME/NT 4.1/2k/XP before they would be able
to use their Retail Upgrade kits of XP, when for the purposes of using the
XP Retail Upgrade kit, their existing installations of Windows could be used
as proof of qualifying media. All they have to do is leave an installation
of Windows on their HDs prior to booting with the XP Install kit, and they
will ALWAYS be able to do a clean install without having to insert so-called
"qualifying media".

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Donald L McDaniel wrote:
Michael Stevens wrote:
In ,
JACOBS,JAKE respectfully
replied ;-)
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL INSTALL VERSION & AN UPGRADE
VERSION? MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS ME.
I THOUGHT I PURCHASED A FULL INSTALL VERSION BUT IT IS THE
UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME.
I WANTED TO DO A FULL INSTALLATION.

CAN I STILL DO A FULL INSTALL. WITH THE UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS
XP HOME EDITION ?

Yes, details located in link below. Please post in upper and lower
case as all caps is the same as shouting in newsgroups and email. It
is also more difficult to read.
Click on or copy and paste the link below into your web browser
address bar. How to clean install XP.
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html


Mr. Stevens and others, I must apologise for my previous post. I had
somehow set my Outlook Express view in a way that hid my posts. I have
corrected this, and now can see my posts. I do admit that I am a paranoid
person by nature.

I do assure you, no disrespect was meant in my previous post. I simply
wanted to clear up what I felt to be a strange thing. It appeared as if my
posts had simply dropped off the face of the earth, and my paranoia moved me
to find fault with you. Again, I sincerely apologise.

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==============================

In ,
Donald L McDaniel typed:

Ken Blake wrote:
In ,
Donald L McDaniel typed:

Ken Blake wrote:

The requirement to use an upgrade version is to *own* a
previous
qualifying version's installation CD (with an OEM restore
CD,
see
below), not to have it installed.

This is patently untrue.


Wrong. It is absolutely true.


If you have a previous version of Windows
installed on your HD, and prepare your disk for a clean
installation
of XP by booting from the XP CD, and partition and format it
from
within Setup, the Setup program will NEVER ask for qualifying
media.


I didn't say otherwise. You are talking about the situation
where
a previous version *is* installed. I am talking about doing a
clean installation of Windows XP with the Upgrade version when
no
previous version is installed.

Mr. Blake, how can your statement


Please, no formality is required, even if we disagree (but I
don't think we really do--see below). Just "Ken" is fine.


"The requirement to use an upgrade version is to *own* a
previous
qualifying version's installation CD (with an OEM restore CD,
see
below), not to have it installed."

be absolutely true? If this were so, my experience would not
be
true. I know what I experienced.


And I believe you.


All that IS required is to have a
licensed version of Windows EITHER previously installed, OR on
installation media.


Yes, I agree. I said the same thing. You need to own it, but you
don't need to have it installed (that means it may or may not be
installed).

I think you've just misunderstood what I said.

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Thanks for all the help folks.GEEEZE! I'll never touch the caps lock key
again! This is the 1st time I have gone to one of these sites to ask for help!
thanks again.
Jacobs,Jake

"Ken Blake" wrote:

In ,
JACOBS,JAKE typed:

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL INSTALL VERSION & AN
UPGRADE
VERSION? MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS ME.
I THOUGHT I PURCHASED A FULL INSTALL VERSION BUT IT
IS THE
UPGRADE VERSION OF WINDOWS XP HOME.
I WANTED TO DO A FULL INSTALLATION.

CAN I STILL DO A FULL INSTALL. WITH THE UPGRADE VERSION OF
WINDOWS XP
HOME EDITION ?


Please don't yell at us. We can hear you if you type normally, in
mixed case.

The requirement to use an upgrade version is to *own* a previous
qualifying version's installation CD (with an OEM restore CD, see
below), not to have it installed. When setup doesn't find a
previous qualifying version installed, it will prompt you to
insert its CD as proof of ownership. Just insert the previous
version's CD, and follow the prompts. Everything proceeds quite
normally and quite legitimately.

You can also do a clean installation if you have an OEM restore
CD of a previous qualifying version. It's more complicated, but
it *can* be done. First restore from the Restore CD. Then run the
XP upgrade CD from within that restored system, and change from
Upgrade to New Install. When it asks where, press Esc to delete
the partition and start over.

In ,
JACOBS,JAKE respectfully replied ;-)
Thanks for all the help folks.GEEEZE! I'll never touch the caps lock
key again! This is the 1st time I have gone to one of these sites to
ask for help! thanks again.
Jacobs,Jake


Good, you learned on your first post and was only lightly singed instead of
really flamed. Consider yourself lucky you didn't post to an .alt newsgroup.
LOL Lot's of information is available in the newgroups, but a thick skin is
sometimes needed. Try lurking and looking for answers to your questions
before posting, most of the time the question is already answered.
Welcome to the newsgroups,

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