cant see computer on XP sp2 and sp1 network. SP2 is new machine

I just bought a new pc with xp home (sp2) and I have another machine with
sp1. I cannot see the computers on my network using the wizards on both
machines:
Both machines are functioning on the internet.
- I have checked that the workgroup names were the same
- I have re run the wizards multple times
- I have closed/diabled all firewalls. (ie norton and xp)
- I have enabled all settings in advanced tab of network properties
- I cannot ping the sp2 machine (cannot even ping its own ip)
- I have disabled and re-ran the wizards

Neither computer can see the other.

Any ideas?

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:43:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

I just bought a new pc with xp home (sp2) and I have another machine with
sp1. I cannot see the computers on my network using the wizards on both
machines:
Both machines are functioning on the internet.
- I have checked that the workgroup names were the same
- I have re run the wizards multple times
- I have closed/diabled all firewalls. (ie norton and xp)
- I have enabled all settings in advanced tab of network properties
- I cannot ping the sp2 machine (cannot even ping its own ip)
- I have disabled and re-ran the wizards

Neither computer can see the other.

Any ideas?

Start with ipconfig information for each computer.
Start - Run - "cmd" - Type "ipconfig /all c:\ipconfig.txt" into the command
window. Open Notepad, make sure that Format - Word Wrap is NOT checked!, open
file c:\ipconfig.txt, copy and paste entire contents into your next post.
Identify operating system (by name, version, and SP level) with each ipconfig
listing.

Nex,t, check the list of items under Local Area Connection Properties on each
computer. You need the following items in the list:
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

Then, make sure that NetBIOS Over TCP/IP is enabled on both computers. Local
Area Connection - Properties - TCP/IP - Properties - Advanced - WINS - Enable
NetBIOS over TCP/IP.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

Chuck,

I apperciate your time on this it is driving me crazy.
-I have confirmed that the following are checked
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

On the windows sp2 machine these are also checked:
Microsft tcpip version 6 (there is no option to check properties)

I have also set up Netbui for TCPIP on both machines.

Now..... I can can see the computer I am working on but cannot view any
other computers on my network. I can also ping each computer now.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Machine is Windows XP Home Edition (SP2)

C:\Documents and Settings\Christineipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : CHRISSY
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : home
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : home
bc.hsia.telus.net

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
Connecti
on
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-CC-0D-19
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.42.151
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.248.0
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::211:11ff:fecc:d19%4
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.40.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.53.4.133
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 154.11.128.59
154.11.128.187
209.53.4.150
209.53.4.130
fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : March 18, 2005 2:03:53 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : March 22, 2005 2:03:53 PM

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5445:5245:444f%5
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter 6to4 Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6to4 Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 40-B4-2A-97
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 2002:40b4:2a97::40b4:2a97
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 2002:836b:213c:1:e0:8f08:f020:8
2002:c058:6301::c058:6301
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Automatic Tunneling
Pseudo-Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 40-B4-2A-97
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5efe:64.180.42.151%2
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

__________________________________________________ _______________________
PC 2 Windows XP Home (SP1)

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\ipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : WILSON
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Home
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Home

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet
Adap
ter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-08-A1-0A-D7-7A
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.210.28
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.240.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.208.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.53.4.133
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 154.11.128.59
154.11.128.187
209.53.4.150
209.53.4.130
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : March 18, 2005 10:26:08 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : March 22, 2005 10:26:08 AM

C:\




"Chuck" wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:43:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

I just bought a new pc with xp home (sp2) and I have another machine with
sp1. I cannot see the computers on my network using the wizards on both
machines:
Both machines are functioning on the internet.
- I have checked that the workgroup names were the same
- I have re run the wizards multple times
- I have closed/diabled all firewalls. (ie norton and xp)
- I have enabled all settings in advanced tab of network properties
- I cannot ping the sp2 machine (cannot even ping its own ip)
- I have disabled and re-ran the wizards

Neither computer can see the other.

Any ideas?

Start with ipconfig information for each computer.
Start - Run - "cmd" - Type "ipconfig /all c:\ipconfig.txt" into the command
window. Open Notepad, make sure that Format - Word Wrap is NOT checked!, open
file c:\ipconfig.txt, copy and paste entire contents into your next post.
Identify operating system (by name, version, and SP level) with each ipconfig
listing.

Nex,t, check the list of items under Local Area Connection Properties on each
computer. You need the following items in the list:
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

Then, make sure that NetBIOS Over TCP/IP is enabled on both computers. Local
Area Connection - Properties - TCP/IP - Properties - Advanced - WINS - Enable
NetBIOS over TCP/IP.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:01 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

Chuck,

I apperciate your time on this it is driving me crazy.
-I have confirmed that the following are checked
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

On the windows sp2 machine these are also checked:
Microsft tcpip version 6 (there is no option to check properties)

I have also set up Netbui for TCPIP on both machines.

Now..... I can can see the computer I am working on but cannot view any
other computers on my network. I can also ping each computer now.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Machine is Windows XP Home Edition (SP2)

C:\Documents and Settings\Christineipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : CHRISSY
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : home
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : home
bc.hsia.telus.net

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
Connecti
on
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-CC-0D-19
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.42.151
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.248.0
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::211:11ff:fecc:d19%4
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.40.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.53.4.133
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 154.11.128.59
154.11.128.187
209.53.4.150
209.53.4.130
fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : March 18, 2005 2:03:53 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : March 22, 2005 2:03:53 PM

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5445:5245:444f%5
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter 6to4 Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6to4 Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 40-B4-2A-97
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 2002:40b4:2a97::40b4:2a97
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 2002:836b:213c:1:e0:8f08:f020:8
2002:c058:6301::c058:6301
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Automatic Tunneling
Pseudo-Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 40-B4-2A-97
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5efe:64.180.42.151%2
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

_________________________________________________ ________________________
PC 2 Windows XP Home (SP1)

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\ipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : WILSON
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Home
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Home

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet
Adap
ter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-08-A1-0A-D7-7A
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.210.28
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.240.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.208.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.53.4.133
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 154.11.128.59
154.11.128.187
209.53.4.150
209.53.4.130
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : March 18, 2005 10:26:08 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : March 22, 2005 10:26:08 AM

Please remove Teredo Tunneling aka IPV6 from CHRISSY. If you need IPV6, you can
install it later, after you get file sharing working. Post a new IPConfig after
removing it.

When you mention "Netbui for TCPIP" I hope you mean NetBIOS Over TCP/IP?

We'll do some diagnostics after you remove IPV6 from the picture.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:01 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

Chuck,

I apperciate your time on this it is driving me crazy.
-I have confirmed that the following are checked
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

On the windows sp2 machine these are also checked:
Microsft tcpip version 6 (there is no option to check properties)

I have also set up Netbui for TCPIP on both machines.

Now..... I can can see the computer I am working on but cannot view any
other computers on my network. I can also ping each computer now.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Machine is Windows XP Home Edition (SP2)

C:\Documents and Settings\Christineipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : CHRISSY
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : home
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : home
bc.hsia.telus.net

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
Connecti
on
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-CC-0D-19
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.42.151
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.248.0
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::211:11ff:fecc:d19%4
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.40.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.53.4.133
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 154.11.128.59
154.11.128.187
209.53.4.150
209.53.4.130
fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : March 18, 2005 2:03:53 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : March 22, 2005 2:03:53 PM

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5445:5245:444f%5
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter 6to4 Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6to4 Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 40-B4-2A-97
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 2002:40b4:2a97::40b4:2a97
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 2002:836b:213c:1:e0:8f08:f020:8
2002:c058:6301::c058:6301
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Automatic Tunneling
Pseudo-Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 40-B4-2A-97
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5efe:64.180.42.151%2
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

_________________________________________________ ________________________
PC 2 Windows XP Home (SP1)

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\ipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : WILSON
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Home
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Home

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet
Adap
ter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-08-A1-0A-D7-7A
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.210.28
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.240.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.208.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.53.4.133
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 154.11.128.59
154.11.128.187
209.53.4.150
209.53.4.130
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : March 18, 2005 10:26:08 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : March 22, 2005 10:26:08 AM

Please remove Teredo Tunneling aka IPV6 from CHRISSY. If you need IPV6, you can
install it later, after you get file sharing working. Post a new IPConfig after
removing it.

When you mention "Netbui for TCPIP" I hope you mean NetBIOS Over TCP/IP?

We'll do some diagnostics after you remove IPV6 from the picture.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

Chuck,

I have removed turedo tunneling and the new ipconfig is below. Also, Yes I
did mean Netbios not netbui. Sorry about that.

I also double chancked after the change to make sure I couldnt see the other
computer. No luck yet.

Thanks
Vince

icrosoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Christineipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : CHRISSY
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : home
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : home
bc.hsia.telus.net

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : bc.hsia.telus.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
Connecti
on
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-CC-0D-19
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.42.151
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.248.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 64.180.40.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.53.4.133
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 154.11.128.59
154.11.128.187
209.53.4.150
209.53.4.130
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : March 18, 2005 9:35:49 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : March 22, 2005 9:35:49 PM

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:47:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:01 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

Chuck,

I apperciate your time on this it is driving me crazy.
-I have confirmed that the following are checked
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

On the windows sp2 machine these are also checked:
Microsft tcpip version 6 (there is no option to check properties)

I have also set up Netbui for TCPIP on both machines.

Now..... I can can see the computer I am working on but cannot view any
other computers on my network. I can also ping each computer now.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Machine is Windows XP Home Edition (SP2)


SNIP

Please remove Teredo Tunneling aka IPV6 from CHRISSY. If you need IPV6, you can
install it later, after you get file sharing working. Post a new IPConfig after
removing it.

When you mention "Netbui for TCPIP" I hope you mean NetBIOS Over TCP/IP?

We'll do some diagnostics after you remove IPV6 from the picture.

Chuck,

I have removed turedo tunneling and the new ipconfig is below. Also, Yes I
did mean Netbios not netbui. Sorry about that.

I also double chancked after the change to make sure I couldnt see the other
computer. No luck yet.

Thanks
Vince

SNIP

Vince,

Chrissy (64.180.42.151) is on the 64.180.40.0/21 subnet. Wilson (64.180.210.28)
is on the 64.180.210.28/20 subnet.

By any chance, are these two computers on a shared modem, with 2 separately
assigned addresses?

If you want to keep the two addresses (which is a waste of money), you will have
to use IPX for file sharing, and remove TCP/IP from file sharing.

If you are going to have 2 computers using separate Cable Broadband internet
connections, you absolutely should not be connecting them for file sharing using
TCP/IP, unless you setup a VPN between the two. Open file sharing using the
internet is a very bad idea; if you can see shared data on another computer, so
can everybody else on the internet.

This is (one of the very few cases) where you need to use IPX/SPX on both
computers. IPX doesn't route, so it is only visible between the two computers.
Install and enable IPX/SPX, and unbind file sharing from TCP/IP, on both
computers.

This web page written by Steve Winograd will help explain how to do this.
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/..._protocols.htm

A far better solution would be to get a NAT router, and share one ip address.
By not paying for 2 IP addresses, you could save enough money to pay for the
router in a few months, and after that, who knows what you could find to spend
your saved money?

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:47:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:01 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

Chuck,

I apperciate your time on this it is driving me crazy.
-I have confirmed that the following are checked
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

On the windows sp2 machine these are also checked:
Microsft tcpip version 6 (there is no option to check properties)

I have also set up Netbui for TCPIP on both machines.

Now..... I can can see the computer I am working on but cannot view any
other computers on my network. I can also ping each computer now.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Machine is Windows XP Home Edition (SP2)


SNIP

Please remove Teredo Tunneling aka IPV6 from CHRISSY. If you need IPV6, you can
install it later, after you get file sharing working. Post a new IPConfig after
removing it.

When you mention "Netbui for TCPIP" I hope you mean NetBIOS Over TCP/IP?

We'll do some diagnostics after you remove IPV6 from the picture.

Chuck,

I have removed turedo tunneling and the new ipconfig is below. Also, Yes I
did mean Netbios not netbui. Sorry about that.

I also double chancked after the change to make sure I couldnt see the other
computer. No luck yet.

Thanks
Vince

SNIP

Vince,

Chrissy (64.180.42.151) is on the 64.180.40.0/21 subnet. Wilson (64.180.210.28)
is on the 64.180.210.28/20 subnet.

By any chance, are these two computers on a shared modem, with 2 separately
assigned addresses?

If you want to keep the two addresses (which is a waste of money), you will have
to use IPX for file sharing, and remove TCP/IP from file sharing.

If you are going to have 2 computers using separate Cable Broadband internet
connections, you absolutely should not be connecting them for file sharing using
TCP/IP, unless you setup a VPN between the two. Open file sharing using the
internet is a very bad idea; if you can see shared data on another computer, so
can everybody else on the internet.

This is (one of the very few cases) where you need to use IPX/SPX on both
computers. IPX doesn't route, so it is only visible between the two computers.
Install and enable IPX/SPX, and unbind file sharing from TCP/IP, on both
computers.

This web page written by Steve Winograd will help explain how to do this.
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/..._protocols.htm

A far better solution would be to get a NAT router, and share one ip address.
By not paying for 2 IP addresses, you could save enough money to pay for the
router in a few months, and after that, who knows what you could find to spend
your saved money?

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.


Chuck,

I am set up through an ADSL modem which includes 2 ip addresses as part of
the service. I am thinking about getting a router but was trying to get
things up and running first. I guess this is the best solution.

In the interim I think you are suggesting that I:
1- unclick file & print sharing
2- re-run the network wizards and us IPX? Does this affect the performance
of the host computer?

Vince

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:37:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:47:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:01 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

Chuck,

I apperciate your time on this it is driving me crazy.
-I have confirmed that the following are checked
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

On the windows sp2 machine these are also checked:
Microsft tcpip version 6 (there is no option to check properties)

I have also set up Netbui for TCPIP on both machines.

Now..... I can can see the computer I am working on but cannot view any
other computers on my network. I can also ping each computer now.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Machine is Windows XP Home Edition (SP2)


SNIP

Please remove Teredo Tunneling aka IPV6 from CHRISSY. If you need IPV6, you can
install it later, after you get file sharing working. Post a new IPConfig after
removing it.

When you mention "Netbui for TCPIP" I hope you mean NetBIOS Over TCP/IP?

We'll do some diagnostics after you remove IPV6 from the picture.

Chuck,

I have removed turedo tunneling and the new ipconfig is below. Also, Yes I
did mean Netbios not netbui. Sorry about that.

I also double chancked after the change to make sure I couldnt see the other
computer. No luck yet.

Thanks
Vince

SNIP

Vince,

Chrissy (64.180.42.151) is on the 64.180.40.0/21 subnet. Wilson (64.180.210.28)
is on the 64.180.210.28/20 subnet.

By any chance, are these two computers on a shared modem, with 2 separately
assigned addresses?

If you want to keep the two addresses (which is a waste of money), you will have
to use IPX for file sharing, and remove TCP/IP from file sharing.

If you are going to have 2 computers using separate Cable Broadband internet
connections, you absolutely should not be connecting them for file sharing using
TCP/IP, unless you setup a VPN between the two. Open file sharing using the
internet is a very bad idea; if you can see shared data on another computer, so
can everybody else on the internet.

This is (one of the very few cases) where you need to use IPX/SPX on both
computers. IPX doesn't route, so it is only visible between the two computers.
Install and enable IPX/SPX, and unbind file sharing from TCP/IP, on both
computers.

This web page written by Steve Winograd will help explain how to do this.
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/..._protocols.htm

A far better solution would be to get a NAT router, and share one ip address.
By not paying for 2 IP addresses, you could save enough money to pay for the
router in a few months, and after that, who knows what you could find to spend
your saved money?

Chuck,

I am set up through an ADSL modem which includes 2 ip addresses as part of
the service. I am thinking about getting a router but was trying to get
things up and running first. I guess this is the best solution.

In the interim I think you are suggesting that I:
1- unclick file & print sharing
2- re-run the network wizards and us IPX? Does this affect the performance
of the host computer?

Vince

Vince,

If you have 2 ip address service, both computers connect directly to the
internet.

You run the wizard, and select "This computer connects to the Internet directly
or through a network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the
Internet directly or through a hub." for both computers. There is no host or
client in your case; both computers are peers.

I doubt that running the wizard again will accomplish anything. The IPConfigs
both look pretty complete, and as far as I know, the wizard only sets up TCP/IP,
and NBT. I think setting up file using IPX is a manual effort, so use Steve's
web page as a guide.

But why waste time and money? Get a router - the sooner you do, the sooner you
can start saving money. And setting up file sharing is simpler with a router.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

"Chuck" wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:37:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:47:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:01 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

Chuck,

I apperciate your time on this it is driving me crazy.
-I have confirmed that the following are checked
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

On the windows sp2 machine these are also checked:
Microsft tcpip version 6 (there is no option to check properties)

I have also set up Netbui for TCPIP on both machines.

Now..... I can can see the computer I am working on but cannot view any
other computers on my network. I can also ping each computer now.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Machine is Windows XP Home Edition (SP2)


SNIP

Please remove Teredo Tunneling aka IPV6 from CHRISSY. If you need IPV6, you can
install it later, after you get file sharing working. Post a new IPConfig after
removing it.

When you mention "Netbui for TCPIP" I hope you mean NetBIOS Over TCP/IP?

We'll do some diagnostics after you remove IPV6 from the picture.

Chuck,

I have removed turedo tunneling and the new ipconfig is below. Also, Yes I
did mean Netbios not netbui. Sorry about that.

I also double chancked after the change to make sure I couldnt see the other
computer. No luck yet.

Thanks
Vince

SNIP

Vince,

Chrissy (64.180.42.151) is on the 64.180.40.0/21 subnet. Wilson (64.180.210.28)
is on the 64.180.210.28/20 subnet.

By any chance, are these two computers on a shared modem, with 2 separately
assigned addresses?

If you want to keep the two addresses (which is a waste of money), you will have
to use IPX for file sharing, and remove TCP/IP from file sharing.

If you are going to have 2 computers using separate Cable Broadband internet
connections, you absolutely should not be connecting them for file sharing using
TCP/IP, unless you setup a VPN between the two. Open file sharing using the
internet is a very bad idea; if you can see shared data on another computer, so
can everybody else on the internet.

This is (one of the very few cases) where you need to use IPX/SPX on both
computers. IPX doesn't route, so it is only visible between the two computers.
Install and enable IPX/SPX, and unbind file sharing from TCP/IP, on both
computers.

This web page written by Steve Winograd will help explain how to do this.
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/..._protocols.htm

A far better solution would be to get a NAT router, and share one ip address.
By not paying for 2 IP addresses, you could save enough money to pay for the
router in a few months, and after that, who knows what you could find to spend
your saved money?

Chuck,

I am set up through an ADSL modem which includes 2 ip addresses as part of
the service. I am thinking about getting a router but was trying to get
things up and running first. I guess this is the best solution.

In the interim I think you are suggesting that I:
1- unclick file & print sharing
2- re-run the network wizards and us IPX? Does this affect the performance
of the host computer?

Vince

Vince,

If you have 2 ip address service, both computers connect directly to the
internet.

You run the wizard, and select "This computer connects to the Internet directly
or through a network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the
Internet directly or through a hub." for both computers. There is no host or
client in your case; both computers are peers.

I doubt that running the wizard again will accomplish anything. The IPConfigs
both look pretty complete, and as far as I know, the wizard only sets up TCP/IP,
and NBT. I think setting up file using IPX is a manual effort, so use Steve's
web page as a guide.

But why waste time and money? Get a router - the sooner you do, the sooner you
can start saving money. And setting up file sharing is simpler with a router.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

Ok Chuck,

I will get a router right away then.

Question though, I am not familiar with this file sharing stuff. Are you
saying that because each PC is on a different sub network it is causing this
problem? When I get the router will this allow me to operate and interact
within my network. Ie will I be able to share files from one pc to the other?

I have set up a network before when I was on a cable modem with WIN 2000
without failure, this has been frustrating. (Im sure it my inexperience
though)

Thanks for all your help. What do you do for a living?

Vince

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:55:04 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:37:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:47:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:01 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

Chuck,

I apperciate your time on this it is driving me crazy.
-I have confirmed that the following are checked
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

On the windows sp2 machine these are also checked:
Microsft tcpip version 6 (there is no option to check properties)

I have also set up Netbui for TCPIP on both machines.

Now..... I can can see the computer I am working on but cannot view any
other computers on my network. I can also ping each computer now.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Machine is Windows XP Home Edition (SP2)


SNIP

Please remove Teredo Tunneling aka IPV6 from CHRISSY. If you need IPV6, you can
install it later, after you get file sharing working. Post a new IPConfig after
removing it.

When you mention "Netbui for TCPIP" I hope you mean NetBIOS Over TCP/IP?

We'll do some diagnostics after you remove IPV6 from the picture.

Chuck,

I have removed turedo tunneling and the new ipconfig is below. Also, Yes I
did mean Netbios not netbui. Sorry about that.

I also double chancked after the change to make sure I couldnt see the other
computer. No luck yet.

Thanks
Vince

SNIP

Vince,

Chrissy (64.180.42.151) is on the 64.180.40.0/21 subnet. Wilson (64.180.210.28)
is on the 64.180.210.28/20 subnet.

By any chance, are these two computers on a shared modem, with 2 separately
assigned addresses?

If you want to keep the two addresses (which is a waste of money), you will have
to use IPX for file sharing, and remove TCP/IP from file sharing.

If you are going to have 2 computers using separate Cable Broadband internet
connections, you absolutely should not be connecting them for file sharing using
TCP/IP, unless you setup a VPN between the two. Open file sharing using the
internet is a very bad idea; if you can see shared data on another computer, so
can everybody else on the internet.

This is (one of the very few cases) where you need to use IPX/SPX on both
computers. IPX doesn't route, so it is only visible between the two computers.
Install and enable IPX/SPX, and unbind file sharing from TCP/IP, on both
computers.

This web page written by Steve Winograd will help explain how to do this.
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/..._protocols.htm

A far better solution would be to get a NAT router, and share one ip address.
By not paying for 2 IP addresses, you could save enough money to pay for the
router in a few months, and after that, who knows what you could find to spend
your saved money?

Chuck,

I am set up through an ADSL modem which includes 2 ip addresses as part of
the service. I am thinking about getting a router but was trying to get
things up and running first. I guess this is the best solution.

In the interim I think you are suggesting that I:
1- unclick file & print sharing
2- re-run the network wizards and us IPX? Does this affect the performance
of the host computer?

Vince

Vince,

If you have 2 ip address service, both computers connect directly to the
internet.

You run the wizard, and select "This computer connects to the Internet directly
or through a network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the
Internet directly or through a hub." for both computers. There is no host or
client in your case; both computers are peers.

I doubt that running the wizard again will accomplish anything. The IPConfigs
both look pretty complete, and as far as I know, the wizard only sets up TCP/IP,
and NBT. I think setting up file using IPX is a manual effort, so use Steve's
web page as a guide.

But why waste time and money? Get a router - the sooner you do, the sooner you
can start saving money. And setting up file sharing is simpler with a router.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

Ok Chuck,

I will get a router right away then.

Question though, I am not familiar with this file sharing stuff. Are you
saying that because each PC is on a different sub network it is causing this
problem? When I get the router will this allow me to operate and interact
within my network. Ie will I be able to share files from one pc to the other?

I have set up a network before when I was on a cable modem with WIN 2000
without failure, this has been frustrating. (Im sure it my inexperience
though)

Thanks for all your help. What do you do for a living?

Vince

Vince,

With a 2 ip address service, each address is assigned independently of physical
location. Chrissy, with address 64.180.42.151, is on the 64.180.40.0/21 subnet,
with default gateway 64.180.40.254. Wilson, with address 64.180.210.28, is on
the 64.180.210.28/20 subnet, with default gateway 64.180.208.254.

When Cable and DSL broadband first became setup, strangers in physical proximity
were all able to see each other's computers. Someone with a computer newly
connected to broadband might idly browse My Network Places, and see numerous
computers out there. Someone else, with no control over their idle mind, might
try seeing how they could exploit this unexpected access to strangers computers.

After a while, the broadband companies realised what a security risk this placed
upon their unwary customers, and started filtering file sharing on their
networks. Since your two computers have different default gateways, they are
treated as individual customers, in spite of being close to each other
physically.

In answer to your first question, your two computers currently cannot see each
other because they are on different subnets, and are using TCP/IP / NBT. Were
they on the same subnet (as your network with cable service might have been),
they would be able to see each other, and share files. This situation creates
confusion, as sometimes you might get two ip addresses on the same subnet, and
other times you might not.

In answer to your second question,I am a desktop support / security consultant,
and provide advice here to broaden my knowledge of what goes on in the real
world (which sometimes helps me avoid similar problems with my paying
customers).

Interestingly enough, advice given here seems to duplicate itself from case to
case. Yours is the third case that I have dealt with in maybe a month, where
two computers in physical proximity, with ISP assigned ip addresses, have found
themselves on different subnets, and unable to share files using TCP/IP / NBT.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

"Chuck" wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:55:04 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:37:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:47:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:01 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

Chuck,

I apperciate your time on this it is driving me crazy.
-I have confirmed that the following are checked
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

On the windows sp2 machine these are also checked:
Microsft tcpip version 6 (there is no option to check properties)

I have also set up Netbui for TCPIP on both machines.

Now..... I can can see the computer I am working on but cannot view any
other computers on my network. I can also ping each computer now.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Machine is Windows XP Home Edition (SP2)


SNIP

Please remove Teredo Tunneling aka IPV6 from CHRISSY. If you need IPV6, you can
install it later, after you get file sharing working. Post a new IPConfig after
removing it.

When you mention "Netbui for TCPIP" I hope you mean NetBIOS Over TCP/IP?

We'll do some diagnostics after you remove IPV6 from the picture.

Chuck,

I have removed turedo tunneling and the new ipconfig is below. Also, Yes I
did mean Netbios not netbui. Sorry about that.

I also double chancked after the change to make sure I couldnt see the other
computer. No luck yet.

Thanks
Vince

SNIP

Vince,

Chrissy (64.180.42.151) is on the 64.180.40.0/21 subnet. Wilson (64.180.210.28)
is on the 64.180.210.28/20 subnet.

By any chance, are these two computers on a shared modem, with 2 separately
assigned addresses?

If you want to keep the two addresses (which is a waste of money), you will have
to use IPX for file sharing, and remove TCP/IP from file sharing.

If you are going to have 2 computers using separate Cable Broadband internet
connections, you absolutely should not be connecting them for file sharing using
TCP/IP, unless you setup a VPN between the two. Open file sharing using the
internet is a very bad idea; if you can see shared data on another computer, so
can everybody else on the internet.

This is (one of the very few cases) where you need to use IPX/SPX on both
computers. IPX doesn't route, so it is only visible between the two computers.
Install and enable IPX/SPX, and unbind file sharing from TCP/IP, on both
computers.

This web page written by Steve Winograd will help explain how to do this.
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/..._protocols.htm

A far better solution would be to get a NAT router, and share one ip address.
By not paying for 2 IP addresses, you could save enough money to pay for the
router in a few months, and after that, who knows what you could find to spend
your saved money?

Chuck,

I am set up through an ADSL modem which includes 2 ip addresses as part of
the service. I am thinking about getting a router but was trying to get
things up and running first. I guess this is the best solution.

In the interim I think you are suggesting that I:
1- unclick file & print sharing
2- re-run the network wizards and us IPX? Does this affect the performance
of the host computer?

Vince

Vince,

If you have 2 ip address service, both computers connect directly to the
internet.

You run the wizard, and select "This computer connects to the Internet directly
or through a network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the
Internet directly or through a hub." for both computers. There is no host or
client in your case; both computers are peers.

I doubt that running the wizard again will accomplish anything. The IPConfigs
both look pretty complete, and as far as I know, the wizard only sets up TCP/IP,
and NBT. I think setting up file using IPX is a manual effort, so use Steve's
web page as a guide.

But why waste time and money? Get a router - the sooner you do, the sooner you
can start saving money. And setting up file sharing is simpler with a router.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

Ok Chuck,

I will get a router right away then.

Question though, I am not familiar with this file sharing stuff. Are you
saying that because each PC is on a different sub network it is causing this
problem? When I get the router will this allow me to operate and interact
within my network. Ie will I be able to share files from one pc to the other?

I have set up a network before when I was on a cable modem with WIN 2000
without failure, this has been frustrating. (Im sure it my inexperience
though)

Thanks for all your help. What do you do for a living?

Vince

Vince,

With a 2 ip address service, each address is assigned independently of physical
location. Chrissy, with address 64.180.42.151, is on the 64.180.40.0/21 subnet,
with default gateway 64.180.40.254. Wilson, with address 64.180.210.28, is on
the 64.180.210.28/20 subnet, with default gateway 64.180.208.254.

When Cable and DSL broadband first became setup, strangers in physical proximity
were all able to see each other's computers. Someone with a computer newly
connected to broadband might idly browse My Network Places, and see numerous
computers out there. Someone else, with no control over their idle mind, might
try seeing how they could exploit this unexpected access to strangers computers.

After a while, the broadband companies realised what a security risk this placed
upon their unwary customers, and started filtering file sharing on their
networks. Since your two computers have different default gateways, they are
treated as individual customers, in spite of being close to each other
physically.

In answer to your first question, your two computers currently cannot see each
other because they are on different subnets, and are using TCP/IP / NBT. Were
they on the same subnet (as your network with cable service might have been),
they would be able to see each other, and share files. This situation creates
confusion, as sometimes you might get two ip addresses on the same subnet, and
other times you might not.

In answer to your second question,I am a desktop support / security consultant,
and provide advice here to broaden my knowledge of what goes on in the real
world (which sometimes helps me avoid similar problems with my paying
customers).

Interestingly enough, advice given here seems to duplicate itself from case to
case. Yours is the third case that I have dealt with in maybe a month, where
two computers in physical proximity, with ISP assigned ip addresses, have found
themselves on different subnets, and unable to share files using TCP/IP / NBT.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

Chuck,

So I decided to heave your advice and go get a router, now everything is up
and running without problem. As soon as I set up the router and cloned my mac
address I could also see all of my shares.

Thank you for your help!

Vince

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:19:05 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:55:04 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:37:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:47:02 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:01 -0800, Chenzy_99
wrote:

Chuck,

I apperciate your time on this it is driving me crazy.
-I have confirmed that the following are checked
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing For Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler (optional)
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

On the windows sp2 machine these are also checked:
Microsft tcpip version 6 (there is no option to check properties)

I have also set up Netbui for TCPIP on both machines.

Now..... I can can see the computer I am working on but cannot view any
other computers on my network. I can also ping each computer now.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Machine is Windows XP Home Edition (SP2)


SNIP

Please remove Teredo Tunneling aka IPV6 from CHRISSY. If you need IPV6, you can
install it later, after you get file sharing working. Post a new IPConfig after
removing it.

When you mention "Netbui for TCPIP" I hope you mean NetBIOS Over TCP/IP?

We'll do some diagnostics after you remove IPV6 from the picture.

Chuck,

I have removed turedo tunneling and the new ipconfig is below. Also, Yes I
did mean Netbios not netbui. Sorry about that.

I also double chancked after the change to make sure I couldnt see the other
computer. No luck yet.

Thanks
Vince

SNIP

Vince,

Chrissy (64.180.42.151) is on the 64.180.40.0/21 subnet. Wilson (64.180.210.28)
is on the 64.180.210.28/20 subnet.

By any chance, are these two computers on a shared modem, with 2 separately
assigned addresses?

If you want to keep the two addresses (which is a waste of money), you will have
to use IPX for file sharing, and remove TCP/IP from file sharing.

If you are going to have 2 computers using separate Cable Broadband internet
connections, you absolutely should not be connecting them for file sharing using
TCP/IP, unless you setup a VPN between the two. Open file sharing using the
internet is a very bad idea; if you can see shared data on another computer, so
can everybody else on the internet.

This is (one of the very few cases) where you need to use IPX/SPX on both
computers. IPX doesn't route, so it is only visible between the two computers.
Install and enable IPX/SPX, and unbind file sharing from TCP/IP, on both
computers.

This web page written by Steve Winograd will help explain how to do this.
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/..._protocols.htm

A far better solution would be to get a NAT router, and share one ip address.
By not paying for 2 IP addresses, you could save enough money to pay for the
router in a few months, and after that, who knows what you could find to spend
your saved money?

Chuck,

I am set up through an ADSL modem which includes 2 ip addresses as part of
the service. I am thinking about getting a router but was trying to get
things up and running first. I guess this is the best solution.

In the interim I think you are suggesting that I:
1- unclick file & print sharing
2- re-run the network wizards and us IPX? Does this affect the performance
of the host computer?

Vince

Vince,

If you have 2 ip address service, both computers connect directly to the
internet.

You run the wizard, and select "This computer connects to the Internet directly
or through a network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the
Internet directly or through a hub." for both computers. There is no host or
client in your case; both computers are peers.

I doubt that running the wizard again will accomplish anything. The IPConfigs
both look pretty complete, and as far as I know, the wizard only sets up TCP/IP,
and NBT. I think setting up file using IPX is a manual effort, so use Steve's
web page as a guide.

But why waste time and money? Get a router - the sooner you do, the sooner you
can start saving money. And setting up file sharing is simpler with a router.

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Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

Ok Chuck,

I will get a router right away then.

Question though, I am not familiar with this file sharing stuff. Are you
saying that because each PC is on a different sub network it is causing this
problem? When I get the router will this allow me to operate and interact
within my network. Ie will I be able to share files from one pc to the other?

I have set up a network before when I was on a cable modem with WIN 2000
without failure, this has been frustrating. (Im sure it my inexperience
though)

Thanks for all your help. What do you do for a living?

Vince

Vince,

With a 2 ip address service, each address is assigned independently of physical
location. Chrissy, with address 64.180.42.151, is on the 64.180.40.0/21 subnet,
with default gateway 64.180.40.254. Wilson, with address 64.180.210.28, is on
the 64.180.210.28/20 subnet, with default gateway 64.180.208.254.

When Cable and DSL broadband first became setup, strangers in physical proximity
were all able to see each other's computers. Someone with a computer newly
connected to broadband might idly browse My Network Places, and see numerous
computers out there. Someone else, with no control over their idle mind, might
try seeing how they could exploit this unexpected access to strangers computers.

After a while, the broadband companies realised what a security risk this placed
upon their unwary customers, and started filtering file sharing on their
networks. Since your two computers have different default gateways, they are
treated as individual customers, in spite of being close to each other
physically.

In answer to your first question, your two computers currently cannot see each
other because they are on different subnets, and are using TCP/IP / NBT. Were
they on the same subnet (as your network with cable service might have been),
they would be able to see each other, and share files. This situation creates
confusion, as sometimes you might get two ip addresses on the same subnet, and
other times you might not.

In answer to your second question,I am a desktop support / security consultant,
and provide advice here to broaden my knowledge of what goes on in the real
world (which sometimes helps me avoid similar problems with my paying
customers).

Interestingly enough, advice given here seems to duplicate itself from case to
case. Yours is the third case that I have dealt with in maybe a month, where
two computers in physical proximity, with ISP assigned ip addresses, have found
themselves on different subnets, and unable to share files using TCP/IP / NBT.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

Chuck,

So I decided to heave your advice and go get a router, now everything is up
and running without problem. As soon as I set up the router and cloned my mac
address I could also see all of my shares.

Thank you for your help!

Vince

Excellent, Vince! Thanks for the feedback!

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.