Deleted messages come back

Crossposted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support newsgroup.

Your concurrent thread in WinXP Help & Support newsgroup:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ad9390fdd5e22e

If you find that the behavior persists in OE, you may have a corrupt
identity. I can give you instructions on how to create a new identity.

I would NOT bypass the Recycle Bin or OE's Deleted Items folder, Stan! As I
posted in my reply to your other thread, it sounds like that machine may
have some serious issues.

You post using a WinXP SP2 machine: Is it the machine in question here?

What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall
(if any)?

Has a Symantec/Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
machine (e.g., a free trial that was preinstalled when you purchase the
machine)?

[It's "Robear" please.]
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Stan wrote:
Robert,
I followed your advice and since I was having the same problem with the
Recycle Bin I also posted in the XP group. There I got the suggestion to
bypass the Bin when deleting so I did that and the same when deleting in
OE.
I reasoned that if my deletions were never in those folders there was no
chance they could re-appear there. It has only been one day but so far all
is well. I will watch for a week and then report my results in a brand new
post to your attention. Thanks again.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
YW, Stan. Keep us posted on your progress, please.

Stan wrote:
Hi Robert,
Thank You sincerely for all the advice. Am sending another Thank You
because
my previous one was bottom posted and I just realized in this group most
top
post. Sorry, but the important thing is I wanted to express my
gratitude.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
1a. Move any messages that you want to keep out of Sent Items and
Deleted
Items folders and into other local OE folders you've created for
archiving
(saving) such messages.

1b. Move 99% of your messages in your Inbox folder to other local OE
folders, too.

2. Write down the location of your identity's store
(http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain).

3. Close OE.

4. In Windows Explorer, navigate to your store folder, find & delete
the
files Outbox.dbx, Sent Items.dbx, and Deleted Items.dbx.

To avoid such problems in the futu

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to
local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline".
More
at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It can cause
corruption (i.e., loss of messages), it provides no additional
protection,
and even Symantec says it's not necessary:

QP
Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses
that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
Auto-Protect
scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email
and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
protection,
keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
you
have the most recent virus definitions.
/QP
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...02111812533106

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Stan wrote:
Ron,
As far as I know I do not have a recovery program. Compacting is done
whenever a notice pops up saying it is going to do so, about every
week
or
two.
Stan
"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...
Do you have a program that recovers deleted files? It may do this by
saving deleted files to its own 'Recycle bin'.

How often do you compact a folder or folders?
--
Ronald Sommer

"Stan" wrote in message
. ..
Windows XP and IE 6. I delete everything from the Deleted folder
several
times a day but frequently when i reopen that folder after it has
been
emptied many messages come back. Some have been deleted several days
ago,
The Sent folder and even the Recycle Bin act the same. Does anyone
have
a
solution?
Stan

Hi Robear,
I posted in the XP group because I thought it was an XP issue in addition to
an OE issue. Otherwise I would not have posted to another group. Sorry.
As to serious issues, my pc functions well in all other respects and as I
stated, now I do not have any deleted items returning so far. What is the
harm in bypassing the Deleted folder and the Recycle Bin? When I decide to
delete something it's because I have no more use for it and will have no
reason to retrieve it.
I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware Blaster, and
Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone Alarm firewall. McAfee
came with my computer 3 years ago but I uninstalled it and reformatted
several times in the meantime anyway so there's nothing left. I did have
Norton AntiVirus for a while but uninstalled it using Symantic's Removal
tool and I use Revo Uninstaller regularly which doesn't show any sign of it
in my system. Right now my computer is running like it just came from Dell.
I've got my fingers crossed. Thanks for your efforts to help. I really
appreciate it.
Stan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Crossposted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support newsgroup.

Your concurrent thread in WinXP Help & Support newsgroup:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ad9390fdd5e22e

If you find that the behavior persists in OE, you may have a corrupt
identity. I can give you instructions on how to create a new identity.

I would NOT bypass the Recycle Bin or OE's Deleted Items folder, Stan! As
I posted in my reply to your other thread, it sounds like that machine may
have some serious issues.

You post using a WinXP SP2 machine: Is it the machine in question here?

What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party
firewall (if any)?

Has a Symantec/Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
machine (e.g., a free trial that was preinstalled when you purchase the
machine)?

[It's "Robear" please.]
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Stan wrote:
Robert,
I followed your advice and since I was having the same problem with the
Recycle Bin I also posted in the XP group. There I got the suggestion to
bypass the Bin when deleting so I did that and the same when deleting in
OE.
I reasoned that if my deletions were never in those folders there was no
chance they could re-appear there. It has only been one day but so far
all
is well. I will watch for a week and then report my results in a brand
new
post to your attention. Thanks again.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
YW, Stan. Keep us posted on your progress, please.

Stan wrote:
Hi Robert,
Thank You sincerely for all the advice. Am sending another Thank You
because
my previous one was bottom posted and I just realized in this group
most
top
post. Sorry, but the important thing is I wanted to express my
gratitude.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
1a. Move any messages that you want to keep out of Sent Items and
Deleted
Items folders and into other local OE folders you've created for
archiving
(saving) such messages.

1b. Move 99% of your messages in your Inbox folder to other local OE
folders, too.

2. Write down the location of your identity's store
(http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain).

3. Close OE.

4. In Windows Explorer, navigate to your store folder, find & delete
the
files Outbox.dbx, Sent Items.dbx, and Deleted Items.dbx.

To avoid such problems in the futu

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to
local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline".
More
at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It can cause
corruption (i.e., loss of messages), it provides no additional
protection,
and even Symantec says it's not necessary:

QP
Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
Auto-Protect
scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email
and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
protection,
keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
you
have the most recent virus definitions.
/QP
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...02111812533106

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Stan wrote:
Ron,
As far as I know I do not have a recovery program. Compacting is done
whenever a notice pops up saying it is going to do so, about every
week
or
two.
Stan
"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...
Do you have a program that recovers deleted files? It may do this
by
saving deleted files to its own 'Recycle bin'.

How often do you compact a folder or folders?
--
Ronald Sommer

"Stan" wrote in message
. ..
Windows XP and IE 6. I delete everything from the Deleted folder
several
times a day but frequently when i reopen that folder after it has
been
emptied many messages come back. Some have been deleted several
days
ago,
The Sent folder and even the Recycle Bin act the same. Does anyone
have
a
solution?
Stan

I posted in the XP group because I thought it was an XP issue in addition
to
an OE issue.

Not a problem, although you did not mention the Recyle Bin in your post to
OE6 newsgroup and you did not mention OE in your post to WinXP Help &
Support. Both may be pieces of the same puzzle, hence my crosspost to Help
& Support and my reply to your other thread in Help & Support.

[BTW, WinXP Help & Support newsgroup was /intended/ to be about Start | Help
& Support, not generic help & support for WinXp. For the latter, post to
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup.]

...What is the
harm in bypassing the Deleted folder and the Recycle Bin?

You might delete something in error. Better to have the deleted items in
Deleted folder or Recycle Bin and not need them than the other way around!
(I just replied to a user in another newsgroup who Shift+Deleted a file and
now he needs it for work!)

Also, you might be tempted to ignore what's already in Deleted folder and
Recycle Bin: Why clog your machine with unneeded files?

I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware Blaster, and
Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone Alarm firewall.

ANY of the above (including Spybot Tea Timer and Ad-Aware's Ad-Watch, if
enabled) might be causing the deleted messages/files to reappear!
--
~PA Bear

Stan wrote:
Hi Robear,
I posted in the XP group because I thought it was an XP issue in addition
to
an OE issue. Otherwise I would not have posted to another group. Sorry.
As to serious issues, my pc functions well in all other respects and as I
stated, now I do not have any deleted items returning so far. What is the
harm in bypassing the Deleted folder and the Recycle Bin? When I decide to
delete something it's because I have no more use for it and will have no
reason to retrieve it.
I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware Blaster, and
Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone Alarm firewall. McAfee
came with my computer 3 years ago but I uninstalled it and reformatted
several times in the meantime anyway so there's nothing left. I did have
Norton AntiVirus for a while but uninstalled it using Symantic's Removal
tool and I use Revo Uninstaller regularly which doesn't show any sign of
it
in my system. Right now my computer is running like it just came from
Dell.
I've got my fingers crossed. Thanks for your efforts to help. I really
appreciate it.
Stan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Crossposted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support newsgroup.

Your concurrent thread in WinXP Help & Support newsgroup:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ad9390fdd5e22e

If you find that the behavior persists in OE, you may have a corrupt
identity. I can give you instructions on how to create a new identity.

I would NOT bypass the Recycle Bin or OE's Deleted Items folder, Stan!
As
I posted in my reply to your other thread, it sounds like that machine
may
have some serious issues.

You post using a WinXP SP2 machine: Is it the machine in question here?

What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party
firewall (if any)?

Has a Symantec/Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
machine (e.g., a free trial that was preinstalled when you purchase the
machine)?

[It's "Robear" please.]
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Stan wrote:
Robert,
I followed your advice and since I was having the same problem with the
Recycle Bin I also posted in the XP group. There I got the suggestion to
bypass the Bin when deleting so I did that and the same when deleting in
OE.
I reasoned that if my deletions were never in those folders there was no
chance they could re-appear there. It has only been one day but so far
all
is well. I will watch for a week and then report my results in a brand
new
post to your attention. Thanks again.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
YW, Stan. Keep us posted on your progress, please.

Stan wrote:
Hi Robert,
Thank You sincerely for all the advice. Am sending another Thank You
because
my previous one was bottom posted and I just realized in this group
most
top
post. Sorry, but the important thing is I wanted to express my
gratitude.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
1a. Move any messages that you want to keep out of Sent Items and
Deleted
Items folders and into other local OE folders you've created for
archiving
(saving) such messages.

1b. Move 99% of your messages in your Inbox folder to other local OE
folders, too.

2. Write down the location of your identity's store
(http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain).

3. Close OE.

4. In Windows Explorer, navigate to your store folder, find & delete
the
files Outbox.dbx, Sent Items.dbx, and Deleted Items.dbx.

To avoid such problems in the futu

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to
local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline".
More
at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It can
cause
corruption (i.e., loss of messages), it provides no additional
protection,
and even Symantec says it's not necessary:

QP
Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
Auto-Protect
scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email
and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
protection,
keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
you
have the most recent virus definitions.
/QP
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...02111812533106

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Stan wrote:
Ron,
As far as I know I do not have a recovery program. Compacting is
done
whenever a notice pops up saying it is going to do so, about every
week
or
two.
Stan
"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...
Do you have a program that recovers deleted files? It may do this
by
saving deleted files to its own 'Recycle bin'.

How often do you compact a folder or folders?
--
Ronald Sommer

"Stan" wrote in message
. ..
Windows XP and IE 6. I delete everything from the Deleted folder
several
times a day but frequently when i reopen that folder after it has
been
emptied many messages come back. Some have been deleted several
days
ago,
The Sent folder and even the Recycle Bin act the same. Does anyone
have
a
solution?
Stan

Hi,
I don't have the Tea Timer. I just very recently got Ad-Watch and I had the
problem prior to Ad-Watch so that's not the culprit. As to the safety net in
the Deleted folder and Recycle Bin, I only delete what I am positive I will
never need. I'm very careful about that and if I ever slip up I'll live with
it. So far all is well so I'll just see what happens from now on. Hopefully
I won't have to bother you again.
Stan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
I posted in the XP group because I thought it was an XP issue in addition
to
an OE issue.

Not a problem, although you did not mention the Recyle Bin in your post to
OE6 newsgroup and you did not mention OE in your post to WinXP Help &
Support. Both may be pieces of the same puzzle, hence my crosspost to
Help & Support and my reply to your other thread in Help & Support.

[BTW, WinXP Help & Support newsgroup was /intended/ to be about Start |
Help & Support, not generic help & support for WinXp. For the latter,
post to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup.]

...What is the
harm in bypassing the Deleted folder and the Recycle Bin?

You might delete something in error. Better to have the deleted items in
Deleted folder or Recycle Bin and not need them than the other way around!
(I just replied to a user in another newsgroup who Shift+Deleted a file
and now he needs it for work!)

Also, you might be tempted to ignore what's already in Deleted folder and
Recycle Bin: Why clog your machine with unneeded files?

I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware Blaster, and
Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone Alarm firewall.

ANY of the above (including Spybot Tea Timer and Ad-Aware's Ad-Watch, if
enabled) might be causing the deleted messages/files to reappear!
--
~PA Bear

Stan wrote:
Hi Robear,
I posted in the XP group because I thought it was an XP issue in addition
to
an OE issue. Otherwise I would not have posted to another group. Sorry.
As to serious issues, my pc functions well in all other respects and as I
stated, now I do not have any deleted items returning so far. What is the
harm in bypassing the Deleted folder and the Recycle Bin? When I decide
to
delete something it's because I have no more use for it and will have no
reason to retrieve it.
I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware Blaster, and
Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone Alarm firewall. McAfee
came with my computer 3 years ago but I uninstalled it and reformatted
several times in the meantime anyway so there's nothing left. I did have
Norton AntiVirus for a while but uninstalled it using Symantic's Removal
tool and I use Revo Uninstaller regularly which doesn't show any sign of
it
in my system. Right now my computer is running like it just came from
Dell.
I've got my fingers crossed. Thanks for your efforts to help. I really
appreciate it.
Stan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Crossposted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support newsgroup.

Your concurrent thread in WinXP Help & Support newsgroup:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ad9390fdd5e22e

If you find that the behavior persists in OE, you may have a corrupt
identity. I can give you instructions on how to create a new identity.

I would NOT bypass the Recycle Bin or OE's Deleted Items folder, Stan!
As
I posted in my reply to your other thread, it sounds like that machine
may
have some serious issues.

You post using a WinXP SP2 machine: Is it the machine in question here?

What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party
firewall (if any)?

Has a Symantec/Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
machine (e.g., a free trial that was preinstalled when you purchase the
machine)?

[It's "Robear" please.]
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Stan wrote:
Robert,
I followed your advice and since I was having the same problem with the
Recycle Bin I also posted in the XP group. There I got the suggestion
to
bypass the Bin when deleting so I did that and the same when deleting
in
OE.
I reasoned that if my deletions were never in those folders there was
no
chance they could re-appear there. It has only been one day but so far
all
is well. I will watch for a week and then report my results in a brand
new
post to your attention. Thanks again.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
YW, Stan. Keep us posted on your progress, please.

Stan wrote:
Hi Robert,
Thank You sincerely for all the advice. Am sending another Thank You
because
my previous one was bottom posted and I just realized in this group
most
top
post. Sorry, but the important thing is I wanted to express my
gratitude.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
1a. Move any messages that you want to keep out of Sent Items and
Deleted
Items folders and into other local OE folders you've created for
archiving
(saving) such messages.

1b. Move 99% of your messages in your Inbox folder to other local OE
folders, too.

2. Write down the location of your identity's store
(http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain).

3. Close OE.

4. In Windows Explorer, navigate to your store folder, find & delete
the
files Outbox.dbx, Sent Items.dbx, and Deleted Items.dbx.

To avoid such problems in the futu

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to
local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and
frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline".
More
at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It can
cause
corruption (i.e., loss of messages), it provides no additional
protection,
and even Symantec says it's not necessary:

QP
Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
Auto-Protect
scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email
and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top
of
this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
protection,
keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure
that
you
have the most recent virus definitions.
/QP
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...02111812533106

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Stan wrote:
Ron,
As far as I know I do not have a recovery program. Compacting is
done
whenever a notice pops up saying it is going to do so, about every
week
or
two.
Stan
"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...
Do you have a program that recovers deleted files? It may do this
by
saving deleted files to its own 'Recycle bin'.

How often do you compact a folder or folders?
--
Ronald Sommer

"Stan" wrote in message
. ..
Windows XP and IE 6. I delete everything from the Deleted folder
several
times a day but frequently when i reopen that folder after it has
been
emptied many messages come back. Some have been deleted several
days
ago,
The Sent folder and even the Recycle Bin act the same. Does
anyone
have
a
solution?
Stan

Stan

Is it all deleted messages that come back or some?

When you compact copies of all Outlook Express folders before
complaction are placed in the Recycle Bin. It is possible to restore
these to Outlook Express. It sounds unlikely that you would do this but
please check that you are not doing this. When compacting is taking
place do you get any messages asking whether you want to Allow or Not
Allow some action to take place?

Have you tried manually compacting Outlook Express before you are
prompted to allow automatic compaction? Manual compaction gives you more
control over the process and defers automatic compaction for another 100
openings of Outlook Express.

In Outlook Express place the cursor on Local Folders and select File,
Work Offline followed by File, Folder, Compact All. Do not attempt to
interupt or stop the process until it has completed. Close Outlook
Express when it has completed.

After compacting check your Outlook Express folders are as they should
be. Then select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk
CleanUp to
Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also select
Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More
Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore
point. Run Disk Defragmenter.

Do you see any deleted messages returning other than those left by you
in the Deleted Items folder at the time you compacted?

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Stan wrote:
Hi,
I don't have the Tea Timer. I just very recently got Ad-Watch and I
had the problem prior to Ad-Watch so that's not the culprit. As to
the safety net in the Deleted folder and Recycle Bin, I only delete
what I am positive I will never need. I'm very careful about that and
if I ever slip up I'll live with it. So far all is well so I'll just
see what happens from now on. Hopefully I won't have to bother you
again. Stan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
I posted in the XP group because I thought it was an XP issue in
addition to
an OE issue.

Not a problem, although you did not mention the Recyle Bin in your
post to OE6 newsgroup and you did not mention OE in your post to
WinXP Help & Support. Both may be pieces of the same puzzle, hence
my crosspost to Help & Support and my reply to your other thread in
Help & Support. [BTW, WinXP Help & Support newsgroup was /intended/
to be about
Start | Help & Support, not generic help & support for WinXp. For
the latter, post to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup.]

...What is the
harm in bypassing the Deleted folder and the Recycle Bin?

You might delete something in error. Better to have the deleted
items in Deleted folder or Recycle Bin and not need them than the
other way around! (I just replied to a user in another newsgroup who
Shift+Deleted a file and now he needs it for work!)

Also, you might be tempted to ignore what's already in Deleted
folder and Recycle Bin: Why clog your machine with unneeded files?

I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware
Blaster, and Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone
Alarm firewall.

ANY of the above (including Spybot Tea Timer and Ad-Aware's
Ad-Watch, if enabled) might be causing the deleted messages/files to
reappear! --
~PA Bear

Stan wrote:
Hi Robear,
I posted in the XP group because I thought it was an XP issue in
addition to
an OE issue. Otherwise I would not have posted to another group.
Sorry. As to serious issues, my pc functions well in all other
respects and as I stated, now I do not have any deleted items
returning so far. What is the harm in bypassing the Deleted folder
and the Recycle Bin? When I decide to
delete something it's because I have no more use for it and will
have no reason to retrieve it.
I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware
Blaster, and Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone
Alarm firewall. McAfee came with my computer 3 years ago but I
uninstalled it and reformatted several times in the meantime anyway
so there's nothing left. I did have Norton AntiVirus for a while
but uninstalled it using Symantic's Removal tool and I use Revo
Uninstaller regularly which doesn't show any sign of it
in my system. Right now my computer is running like it just came
from Dell.
I've got my fingers crossed. Thanks for your efforts to help. I
really appreciate it.
Stan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Crossposted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
newsgroup. Your concurrent thread in WinXP Help & Support
newsgroup:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ad9390fdd5e22e

If you find that the behavior persists in OE, you may have a
corrupt identity. I can give you instructions on how to create a
new identity. I would NOT bypass the Recycle Bin or OE's Deleted
Items folder,
Stan! As
I posted in my reply to your other thread, it sounds like that
machine may
have some serious issues.

You post using a WinXP SP2 machine: Is it the machine in question
here? What anti-virus application or security suite is installed?
What
anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party
firewall (if any)?

Has a Symantec/Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on
the machine (e.g., a free trial that was preinstalled when you
purchase the machine)?

[It's "Robear" please.]
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Stan wrote:
Robert,
I followed your advice and since I was having the same problem
with the Recycle Bin I also posted in the XP group. There I got
the suggestion to
bypass the Bin when deleting so I did that and the same when
deleting in
OE.
I reasoned that if my deletions were never in those folders there
was no
chance they could re-appear there. It has only been one day but
so far all
is well. I will watch for a week and then report my results in a
brand new
post to your attention. Thanks again.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
YW, Stan. Keep us posted on your progress, please.

Stan wrote:
Hi Robert,
Thank You sincerely for all the advice. Am sending another
Thank You because
my previous one was bottom posted and I just realized in this
group most
top
post. Sorry, but the important thing is I wanted to express my
gratitude.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
1a. Move any messages that you want to keep out of Sent Items
and Deleted
Items folders and into other local OE folders you've created
for archiving
(saving) such messages.

1b. Move 99% of your messages in your Inbox folder to other
local OE folders, too.

2. Write down the location of your identity's store
(http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain).

3. Close OE.

4. In Windows Explorer, navigate to your store folder, find &
delete the
files Outbox.dbx, Sent Items.dbx, and Deleted Items.dbx.

To avoid such problems in the futu

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move
them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and
frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working
offline". More
at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows
is automatically compacting your message store.

- Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It
can cause
corruption (i.e., loss of messages), it provides no additional
protection,
and even Symantec says it's not necessary:

QP
Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
Auto-Protect
scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive,
including email
and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on
top of
this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
protection,
keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to
ensure that
you
have the most recent virus definitions.
/QP
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...02111812533106

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since
2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Stan wrote:
Ron,
As far as I know I do not have a recovery program. Compacting
is done
whenever a notice pops up saying it is going to do so, about
every week
or
two.
Stan
"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...
Do you have a program that recovers deleted files? It may
do this by
saving deleted files to its own 'Recycle bin'.

How often do you compact a folder or folders?
--
Ronald Sommer

"Stan" wrote in message
. ..
Windows XP and IE 6. I delete everything from the Deleted
folder several
times a day but frequently when i reopen that folder after
it has been
emptied many messages come back. Some have been deleted
several days
ago,
The Sent folder and even the Recycle Bin act the same. Does
anyone
have
a
solution?
Stan

Never say never!

Stan wrote:
...As to the safety net in
the Deleted folder and Recycle Bin, I only delete what I am positive I
will
never need...

Oh there speaks the confidence of youth G. Says I who regualrly use
Shift + Delete to delete newsgroup spams. Oops I can hardly Bear the
thought I might get the wrong one EBG!

--
Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Never say never!

Stan wrote:
...As to the safety net in
the Deleted folder and Recycle Bin, I only delete what I am positive
I will
never need...

That makes no sense whatsoever, Gerry. Why use Shift+Delete when using
Delete (or CTRL+D) does not delete News messages to Deleted Items in the
first place?

Think about it...


Gerry wrote:
Oh there speaks the confidence of youth G. Says I who regualrly use
Shift + Delete to delete newsgroup spams. Oops I can hardly Bear the
thought I might get the wrong one EBG!


PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Never say never!

Stan wrote:
...As to the safety net in
the Deleted folder and Recycle Bin, I only delete what I am positive
I will
never need...

Checked what you said. CTRL+D puts a mail message in the Deleted Items
folder. CTRL+D permanently deletes newsgroup messages.

Conclusion -might as well use Shift + Delete for unwanted messages
rather have to think which type of message is being deleted.

Oops I can hardly Bear the thought I might get the wrong one EBG!

--
Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
That makes no sense whatsoever, Gerry. Why use Shift+Delete when
using Delete (or CTRL+D) does not delete News messages to Deleted
Items in the first place?

Think about it...


Gerry wrote:
Oh there speaks the confidence of youth G. Says I who regualrly use
Shift + Delete to delete newsgroup spams. Oops I can hardly Bear the
thought I might get the wrong one EBG!


PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Never say never!

Stan wrote:
...As to the safety net in
the Deleted folder and Recycle Bin, I only delete what I am
positive I will
never need...

Gerry,
"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Stan

Is it all deleted messages that come back or some?

Just some

When you compact copies of all Outlook Express folders before complaction
are placed in the Recycle Bin. It is possible to restore these to Outlook
Express. It sounds unlikely that you would do this but please check that
you are not doing this.

No I don't do this

When compacting is taking place do you get any messages asking whether you
want to Allow or Not Allow some action to take place?

No

Have you tried manually compacting Outlook Express before you are prompted
to allow automatic compaction? Manual compaction gives you more control
over the process and defers automatic compaction for another 100 openings
of Outlook Express.

Yes

Do you see any deleted messages returning other than those left by you in
the Deleted Items folder at the time you compacted?

This does not always happen so I really don't know what comes back but it
is a lot.
As I reported, now that I followed Robear's suggestions and delete with
bypassing the Deleted Folder and the Recycle Bin
I am no longer getting back any deleted items.

Thanks for your efforts.

Stan


Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Stan wrote:
Hi,
I don't have the Tea Timer. I just very recently got Ad-Watch and I
had the problem prior to Ad-Watch so that's not the culprit. As to
the safety net in the Deleted folder and Recycle Bin, I only delete
what I am positive I will never need. I'm very careful about that and
if I ever slip up I'll live with it. So far all is well so I'll just
see what happens from now on. Hopefully I won't have to bother you
again. Stan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
I posted in the XP group because I thought it was an XP issue in
addition to
an OE issue.

Not a problem, although you did not mention the Recyle Bin in your
post to OE6 newsgroup and you did not mention OE in your post to
WinXP Help & Support. Both may be pieces of the same puzzle, hence
my crosspost to Help & Support and my reply to your other thread in
Help & Support. [BTW, WinXP Help & Support newsgroup was /intended/ to
be about
Start | Help & Support, not generic help & support for WinXp. For
the latter, post to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup.]

...What is the
harm in bypassing the Deleted folder and the Recycle Bin?

You might delete something in error. Better to have the deleted
items in Deleted folder or Recycle Bin and not need them than the
other way around! (I just replied to a user in another newsgroup who
Shift+Deleted a file and now he needs it for work!)

Also, you might be tempted to ignore what's already in Deleted
folder and Recycle Bin: Why clog your machine with unneeded files?

I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware
Blaster, and Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone
Alarm firewall.

ANY of the above (including Spybot Tea Timer and Ad-Aware's
Ad-Watch, if enabled) might be causing the deleted messages/files to
reappear! --
~PA Bear

Stan wrote:
Hi Robear,
I posted in the XP group because I thought it was an XP issue in
addition to
an OE issue. Otherwise I would not have posted to another group.
Sorry. As to serious issues, my pc functions well in all other
respects and as I stated, now I do not have any deleted items
returning so far. What is the harm in bypassing the Deleted folder
and the Recycle Bin? When I decide to
delete something it's because I have no more use for it and will
have no reason to retrieve it.
I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware
Blaster, and Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone
Alarm firewall. McAfee came with my computer 3 years ago but I
uninstalled it and reformatted several times in the meantime anyway
so there's nothing left. I did have Norton AntiVirus for a while
but uninstalled it using Symantic's Removal tool and I use Revo
Uninstaller regularly which doesn't show any sign of it
in my system. Right now my computer is running like it just came
from Dell.
I've got my fingers crossed. Thanks for your efforts to help. I
really appreciate it.
Stan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Crossposted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
newsgroup. Your concurrent thread in WinXP Help & Support newsgroup:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ad9390fdd5e22e

If you find that the behavior persists in OE, you may have a
corrupt identity. I can give you instructions on how to create a
new identity. I would NOT bypass the Recycle Bin or OE's Deleted Items
folder,
Stan! As
I posted in my reply to your other thread, it sounds like that
machine may
have some serious issues.

You post using a WinXP SP2 machine: Is it the machine in question
here? What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party
firewall (if any)?

Has a Symantec/Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on
the machine (e.g., a free trial that was preinstalled when you
purchase the machine)?

[It's "Robear" please.]
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Stan wrote:
Robert,
I followed your advice and since I was having the same problem
with the Recycle Bin I also posted in the XP group. There I got
the suggestion to
bypass the Bin when deleting so I did that and the same when
deleting in
OE.
I reasoned that if my deletions were never in those folders there
was no
chance they could re-appear there. It has only been one day but
so far all
is well. I will watch for a week and then report my results in a
brand new
post to your attention. Thanks again.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
YW, Stan. Keep us posted on your progress, please.

Stan wrote:
Hi Robert,
Thank You sincerely for all the advice. Am sending another
Thank You because
my previous one was bottom posted and I just realized in this
group most
top
post. Sorry, but the important thing is I wanted to express my
gratitude.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
1a. Move any messages that you want to keep out of Sent Items
and Deleted
Items folders and into other local OE folders you've created
for archiving
(saving) such messages.

1b. Move 99% of your messages in your Inbox folder to other
local OE folders, too.

2. Write down the location of your identity's store
(http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain).

3. Close OE.

4. In Windows Explorer, navigate to your store folder, find &
delete the
files Outbox.dbx, Sent Items.dbx, and Deleted Items.dbx.

To avoid such problems in the futu

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move
them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and
frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working
offline". More
at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows
is automatically compacting your message store.

- Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It
can cause
corruption (i.e., loss of messages), it provides no additional
protection,
and even Symantec says it's not necessary:

QP
Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
Auto-Protect
scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive,
including email
and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on
top of
this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
protection,
keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to
ensure that
you
have the most recent virus definitions.
/QP
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...02111812533106

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since
2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Stan wrote:
Ron,
As far as I know I do not have a recovery program. Compacting
is done
whenever a notice pops up saying it is going to do so, about
every week
or
two.
Stan
"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...
Do you have a program that recovers deleted files? It may
do this by
saving deleted files to its own 'Recycle bin'.

How often do you compact a folder or folders?
--
Ronald Sommer

"Stan" wrote in message
. ..
Windows XP and IE 6. I delete everything from the Deleted
folder several
times a day but frequently when i reopen that folder after
it has been
emptied many messages come back. Some have been deleted
several days
ago,
The Sent folder and even the Recycle Bin act the same. Does
anyone
have
a
solution?
Stan

I did NOT suggest or recommend bypassing Deleted Items folder or the Recycle
Bin!
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Stan wrote:
snip
As I reported, now that I followed Robear's suggestions and delete with
bypassing the Deleted Folder and the Recycle Bin...

Sorry for the confusion. Did not mean that you suggested bypassing but that
in addition to following your suggestions about compacting etc I ALSO, at my
own peril, decided to bypass and all is well now. Don't know if the
bypassing is in any way responsible or not but again, all is well. Sorry I
was not more explicit.
Stan
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
I did NOT suggest or recommend bypassing Deleted Items folder or the
Recycle Bin!
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Stan wrote:
snip
As I reported, now that I followed Robear's suggestions and delete with
bypassing the Deleted Folder and the Recycle Bin...