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pagefile on Expresscard SSD
Hi Jeff,
If you are having too many applications running on your laptop and your system has to increase paging/IO then you shouldnt really be using a laptop. Having said that we need to remember that the system automatically adjusts the paging requirements. Like many other systems around are continously evolving, Windows also is evolving based on the requirements of the users. Sometimes it is not feasible to rewrite the code entirely for memory management and paging hence we cant blame MS to bring all capabilities into the same OS. Vista is a pretty stable OS with many features/Changes which have evolved out of customer feedbacks. -- Regards Gurpreet Singh "Jeff" wrote: Ray, Your comment is a little bizarre in this forum. I'm looking for technical help, not situational commentary. Besides, you are wrong -- it matters to me. "Ray Luca" wrote: Jeff wrote: I know Vista can pre-fetch/cache hardrive data to an Expresscard (with SuperFetch and ReadyBoost), but that is not available in XP. It seems to me that the pagefile is not TOO much more critical than reliance on a harddrive cache (either way I assume the machine is probably going down). It seems reasonable to me that MS could make XP accept an Expresscard as a fixed drive. But you're not the person commanding the center that writes the code. How it "seems" to you really doesn't matter. |
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pagefile on Expresscard SSD
Hi Jeff,
If you are having too many applications running on your laptop and your system has to increase paging/IO then you shouldnt really be using a laptop. Having said that we need to remember that the system automatically adjusts the paging requirements. Like many other systems around are continously evolving, Windows also is evolving based on the requirements of the users. Sometimes it is not feasible to rewrite the code entirely for memory management and paging hence we cant blame MS to bring all capabilities into the same OS. Vista is a pretty stable OS with many features/Changes which have evolved out of customer feedbacks. -- Regards Gurpreet Singh "Jeff" wrote: Ray, Your comment is a little bizarre in this forum. I'm looking for technical help, not situational commentary. Besides, you are wrong -- it matters to me. "Ray Luca" wrote: Jeff wrote: I know Vista can pre-fetch/cache hardrive data to an Expresscard (with SuperFetch and ReadyBoost), but that is not available in XP. It seems to me that the pagefile is not TOO much more critical than reliance on a harddrive cache (either way I assume the machine is probably going down). It seems reasonable to me that MS could make XP accept an Expresscard as a fixed drive. But you're not the person commanding the center that writes the code. How it "seems" to you really doesn't matter. |
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pagefile on Expresscard SSD
Gurpreet,
I understand what you are saying. That is reality. Thanks for your comment. Jeff "Gurpreet Singh" wrote: Hi Jeff, If you are having too many applications running on your laptop and your system has to increase paging/IO then you shouldnt really be using a laptop. Having said that we need to remember that the system automatically adjusts the paging requirements. Like many other systems around are continously evolving, Windows also is evolving based on the requirements of the users. Sometimes it is not feasible to rewrite the code entirely for memory management and paging hence we cant blame MS to bring all capabilities into the same OS. Vista is a pretty stable OS with many features/Changes which have evolved out of customer feedbacks. -- Regards Gurpreet Singh "Jeff" wrote: Ray, Your comment is a little bizarre in this forum. I'm looking for technical help, not situational commentary. Besides, you are wrong -- it matters to me. "Ray Luca" wrote: Jeff wrote: I know Vista can pre-fetch/cache hardrive data to an Expresscard (with SuperFetch and ReadyBoost), but that is not available in XP. It seems to me that the pagefile is not TOO much more critical than reliance on a harddrive cache (either way I assume the machine is probably going down). It seems reasonable to me that MS could make XP accept an Expresscard as a fixed drive. But you're not the person commanding the center that writes the code. How it "seems" to you really doesn't matter. |
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pagefile on Expresscard SSD
Gurpreet,
I understand what you are saying. That is reality. Thanks for your comment. Jeff "Gurpreet Singh" wrote: Hi Jeff, If you are having too many applications running on your laptop and your system has to increase paging/IO then you shouldnt really be using a laptop. Having said that we need to remember that the system automatically adjusts the paging requirements. Like many other systems around are continously evolving, Windows also is evolving based on the requirements of the users. Sometimes it is not feasible to rewrite the code entirely for memory management and paging hence we cant blame MS to bring all capabilities into the same OS. Vista is a pretty stable OS with many features/Changes which have evolved out of customer feedbacks. -- Regards Gurpreet Singh "Jeff" wrote: Ray, Your comment is a little bizarre in this forum. I'm looking for technical help, not situational commentary. Besides, you are wrong -- it matters to me. "Ray Luca" wrote: Jeff wrote: I know Vista can pre-fetch/cache hardrive data to an Expresscard (with SuperFetch and ReadyBoost), but that is not available in XP. It seems to me that the pagefile is not TOO much more critical than reliance on a harddrive cache (either way I assume the machine is probably going down). It seems reasonable to me that MS could make XP accept an Expresscard as a fixed drive. But you're not the person commanding the center that writes the code. How it "seems" to you really doesn't matter. |
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pagefile on Expresscard SSD
I doubt that XP is that flexible, and MS is unlikely to "upgrade" XP to be
more like Vista. As for Windows 7, we can only hope. However, you might be able to get XP to use one of those new solidstate disks that attaches via SATA. In theory these look like a normal hard drive to the BIOS and thus to the operating system. These are much more expensive per Gig than a magnetic hard drive, but then you probably do not need more than a few Gig for a page file. If you do, then you should really consider a 64-bit operating system that can address more than 4 Gig of RAM, since even a solid state disk is no match for modern RAM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive http://www.storagesearch.com/ssd-top10.html http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCateg...id-State-Disks "Jeff" wrote in message ... I have a laptop with one hard drive and no room for more. The disk access seems to be the bottleneck for performance most of the time (big surprise, I know). I'd like to do something to split up the I/O. I'd like something I can keep in my machine. I've tried some fast flash cards (I have a multi-reader), but it must run off the usb stack because I can't put a pagefile on there (xp lets you set it up, but won't create the file). I think Vista features would really help, but don't want to go there. Last thing that might work is Expresscard memory -- some call it an Expresscard SSD. There are a couple out there that say they use the pci bus (ie. - NOT the usb path thru the expresscard). I would like to know if a pagefile can be setup on an expresscard like this. I understand the performance swap (fast access, slow read/write vs. hard drive). I think it's worth a try. the big question is: will xp let me put a pagefile on an expresscard "drive" if it is using the pci interface and NOT the usb? I've checked the web and the windows boards. There is some speculation out there, but no definitive answers. Thanks. |
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I doubt that XP is that flexible, and MS is unlikely to "upgrade" XP to be
more like Vista. As for Windows 7, we can only hope. However, you might be able to get XP to use one of those new solidstate disks that attaches via SATA. In theory these look like a normal hard drive to the BIOS and thus to the operating system. These are much more expensive per Gig than a magnetic hard drive, but then you probably do not need more than a few Gig for a page file. If you do, then you should really consider a 64-bit operating system that can address more than 4 Gig of RAM, since even a solid state disk is no match for modern RAM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive http://www.storagesearch.com/ssd-top10.html http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCateg...id-State-Disks "Jeff" wrote in message ... I have a laptop with one hard drive and no room for more. The disk access seems to be the bottleneck for performance most of the time (big surprise, I know). I'd like to do something to split up the I/O. I'd like something I can keep in my machine. I've tried some fast flash cards (I have a multi-reader), but it must run off the usb stack because I can't put a pagefile on there (xp lets you set it up, but won't create the file). I think Vista features would really help, but don't want to go there. Last thing that might work is Expresscard memory -- some call it an Expresscard SSD. There are a couple out there that say they use the pci bus (ie. - NOT the usb path thru the expresscard). I would like to know if a pagefile can be setup on an expresscard like this. I understand the performance swap (fast access, slow read/write vs. hard drive). I think it's worth a try. the big question is: will xp let me put a pagefile on an expresscard "drive" if it is using the pci interface and NOT the usb? I've checked the web and the windows boards. There is some speculation out there, but no definitive answers. Thanks. |
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The answer to this is "yes," you can set up the pagefile with this type of
PCI device. There are a couple of ExpressCard SSD drives recently release that (finally) utilize the PCI interface within the expresscard slot (instead of the USB bus). The card really acts like an SSD hard drive and is quite affordable. Furthermore, the performance is very good, 60+Mbs/sec write, 100+ Mb/s read. Wintec Filemate 48gig Ultra Expresscard on Amazon. Another company sells what looks like the exact same card. I believe Filemate is the maker, Wintec is the seller. Had mine about 6 weeks and very impressed. Also has mini-USB port on card so you can take out of the expresscard slot and use as USB flash drive (slower performance, but handy too). Jeff "Jeff" wrote: I have a laptop with one hard drive and no room for more. The disk access seems to be the bottleneck for performance most of the time (big surprise, I know). I'd like to do something to split up the I/O. I'd like something I can keep in my machine. I've tried some fast flash cards (I have a multi-reader), but it must run off the usb stack because I can't put a pagefile on there (xp lets you set it up, but won't create the file). I think Vista features would really help, but don't want to go there. Last thing that might work is Expresscard memory -- some call it an Expresscard SSD. There are a couple out there that say they use the pci bus (ie. - NOT the usb path thru the expresscard). I would like to know if a pagefile can be setup on an expresscard like this. I understand the performance swap (fast access, slow read/write vs. hard drive). I think it's worth a try. the big question is: will xp let me put a pagefile on an expresscard "drive" if it is using the pci interface and NOT the usb? I've checked the web and the windows boards. There is some speculation out there, but no definitive answers. Thanks. |
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pagefile on Expresscard SSD
The answer to this is "yes," you can set up the pagefile with this type of
PCI device. There are a couple of ExpressCard SSD drives recently release that (finally) utilize the PCI interface within the expresscard slot (instead of the USB bus). The card really acts like an SSD hard drive and is quite affordable. Furthermore, the performance is very good, 60+Mbs/sec write, 100+ Mb/s read. Wintec Filemate 48gig Ultra Expresscard on Amazon. Another company sells what looks like the exact same card. I believe Filemate is the maker, Wintec is the seller. Had mine about 6 weeks and very impressed. Also has mini-USB port on card so you can take out of the expresscard slot and use as USB flash drive (slower performance, but handy too). Jeff "Jeff" wrote: I have a laptop with one hard drive and no room for more. The disk access seems to be the bottleneck for performance most of the time (big surprise, I know). I'd like to do something to split up the I/O. I'd like something I can keep in my machine. I've tried some fast flash cards (I have a multi-reader), but it must run off the usb stack because I can't put a pagefile on there (xp lets you set it up, but won't create the file). I think Vista features would really help, but don't want to go there. Last thing that might work is Expresscard memory -- some call it an Expresscard SSD. There are a couple out there that say they use the pci bus (ie. - NOT the usb path thru the expresscard). I would like to know if a pagefile can be setup on an expresscard like this. I understand the performance swap (fast access, slow read/write vs. hard drive). I think it's worth a try. the big question is: will xp let me put a pagefile on an expresscard "drive" if it is using the pci interface and NOT the usb? I've checked the web and the windows boards. There is some speculation out there, but no definitive answers. Thanks. |
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