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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/times when copieing files.
Hello,
My music virtual harddisk ran out of space. So I created a new virtual harddisk/volume of 24 GB and copied to previous 16 GB towards it. I was in doubt if I should delete the old one... fortunately I did not... first of all I did not know if the copy proceeded correctly... since I was webbrowsing while it copied. Second of all I already know windows can fok up simple things like this. Also ya never know when there might be a bit error/corruption going on... so good idea to keep the old one for a while.. and test the new one. And sure enough windows 7 made a complete mess out of the date and time of the folders mostly and the files too. Some folders have the new date when the copied happened and some have the old date... It's completely weird how this happens. What's even worse is that ms-dos has no command for as far as I know that can change a file's date or time ? Otherwise it could be as simple as creating a batchfile to scan the old folder structure and apply it to the new one... But maybe that not possible anyway. The same happened to my old source code files... which is also kinda painfull. I guess I will have to write a tool... to scan the old folders and old files... for creation dates/times and modification dates/times and then apply them to the new files. I have also seen some weird advice like use xcopy or even more dangerous like robocopy... Such advice is bad in general... a fokkup in such a command could be a very costly mistake... for example forgetting the subdirectory command for xcopy ? or even worse.... robocopy can delete files. In other words... copieing files via some ****ty ms-dos command is a no-no in the year 2015. 1 simply copy & paste operation was enough to copy the entire "music" folder from disk to disk. I find it hard to swallow... that such a FOK UP by Microsoft has not been corrected yet ?! There is no option in Explorer to change the way it copies files and folders ?! There is no option to enable a pop-up asking you how you would like windows to copy the files ?! But Microsoft ISSS Busy... installing all kinds of SPYWARE crap on my PC ?! As far as I am concerned Windows 7 IS COMPLETELY UNUSABLE/UNRELIABLE for any RELIABLE archiving.... of files/information where date and time is important ?! Fricking crazy that something as simply as keeping track of dates and times is apperently completely beyond their comprehension ?! Bye, Skybuck. |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/timeswhen copieing files.
On 11/11/2015 11:50 AM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hello, My music virtual harddisk ran out of space. So I created a new virtual harddisk/volume of 24 GB and copied to previous 16 GB towards it. I was in doubt if I should delete the old one... fortunately I did not... first of all I did not know if the copy proceeded correctly... since I was webbrowsing while it copied. Second of all I already know windows can fok up simple things like this. Also ya never know when there might be a bit error/corruption going on... so good idea to keep the old one for a while.. and test the new one. And sure enough windows 7 made a complete mess out of the date and time of the folders mostly and the files too. Some folders have the new date when the copied happened and some have the old date... It's completely weird how this happens. What's even worse is that ms-dos has no command for as far as I know that can change a file's date or time ? Otherwise it could be as simple as creating a batchfile to scan the old folder structure and apply it to the new one... But maybe that not possible anyway. The same happened to my old source code files... which is also kinda painfull. I guess I will have to write a tool... to scan the old folders and old files... for creation dates/times and modification dates/times and then apply them to the new files. I have also seen some weird advice like use xcopy or even more dangerous like robocopy... Such advice is bad in general... a fokkup in such a command could be a very costly mistake... for example forgetting the subdirectory command for xcopy ? or even worse.... robocopy can delete files. In other words... copieing files via some ****ty ms-dos command is a no-no in the year 2015. 1 simply copy & paste operation was enough to copy the entire "music" folder from disk to disk. I find it hard to swallow... that such a FOK UP by Microsoft has not been corrected yet ?! There is no option in Explorer to change the way it copies files and folders ?! There is no option to enable a pop-up asking you how you would like windows to copy the files ?! But Microsoft ISSS Busy... installing all kinds of SPYWARE crap on my PC ?! As far as I am concerned Windows 7 IS COMPLETELY UNUSABLE/UNRELIABLE for any RELIABLE archiving.... of files/information where date and time is important ?! Fricking crazy that something as simply as keeping track of dates and times is apperently completely beyond their comprehension ?! Bye, Skybuck. In general, I have observed that copying causes the new copy to have the date-time stamp of when the copy was done. On the other hand moving (cut and paste) causes the result to keep the the date-time stamp of the original. -- David E. Ross Is Kim Davis a hero or a villain? See my http://www.rossde.com/KimDavis.html. |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/times when copieing files.
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:50:47 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
wrote: [newsgroup list trimmed] I guess I will have to write a tool... to scan the old folders and old files... for creation dates/times and modification dates/times and then apply them to the new files. You can, but there are lots of such utilities already. I needed something a few years ago and had no trouble finding a few good free ones. It was a one-time task, so the utilities were removed and I've forgotten what I used. -- Char Jackson |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/timeswhen copieing files.
Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hello, My music virtual harddisk ran out of space. So I created a new virtual harddisk/volume of 24 GB and copied to previous 16 GB towards it. Use Robocopy. robocopy E:\ F:\ /mir /copy:datso /dcopy:t /r:3 /w:2 /zb /np /tee /v /log:robocopy_E_to_F.log Paul |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/times when copieing files.
"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message ... What's even worse is that ms-dos has no command for as far as I know that can change a file's date or time ? Otherwise it could be as simple as creating a batchfile to scan the old folder structure and apply it to the new one... Bye, Skybuck. You can try FileMenuTools http://www.lopesoft.com/en/filemenutools |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/times when copieing files.
"Paul" wrote in message ... Skybuck Flying wrote: Hello, My music virtual harddisk ran out of space. So I created a new virtual harddisk/volume of 24 GB and copied to previous 16 GB towards it. " Use Robocopy. robocopy E:\ F:\ /mir /copy:datso /dcopy:t /r:3 /w:2 /zb /np /tee /v /log:robocopy_E_to_F.log " Are you serious ?! Such a complex command line, no hair on my head. Google this tool. It's very dangerous. It can delete original files. I don't even want to hear or read the word "delete" in a copy tool, delete anything is completely out of the question. Another stupid tool from Microsoft as far as I am concerned... and very dangerous to recommend this to people. The stupidity of it knows no bounderies. Bye, Skybuck. |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/times when copieing files.
Not going to try any tool that has not been tested 100.000.000 times for my
data. Bye, Skybuck. |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/timeswhen copieing files.
Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message ... Skybuck Flying wrote: Hello, My music virtual harddisk ran out of space. So I created a new virtual harddisk/volume of 24 GB and copied to previous 16 GB towards it. " Use Robocopy. robocopy E:\ F:\ /mir /copy:datso /dcopy:t /r:3 /w:2 /zb /np /tee /v /log:robocopy_E_to_F.log " Are you serious ?! Such a complex command line, no hair on my head. Google this tool. It's very dangerous. It can delete original files. I don't even want to hear or read the word "delete" in a copy tool, delete anything is completely out of the question. Another stupid tool from Microsoft as far as I am concerned... and very dangerous to recommend this to people. The stupidity of it knows no bounderies. Bye, Skybuck. It's a perfectly good tool. When used in moderation. There is a GUI available to run Robocopy, but I wouldn't use it. Yes, read the manual page for it, before you use it. If you want the proper date stamps on the file, that's your tool. And if you don't want mirroring, don't use /mir :-) It won't erase ****, if you don't use /mir. I have a particular usage for that command, and /mir suits my purposes. "Salt to taste" as they say in cooking school. Paul |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/times when copieing files.
Amazingly enough cut & paste works to keep the date and time.
Even when cut&pasting from disk to disk. Bye, Skybuck. |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/times when copieing files.
People my mistakes.
I don't want to use a tool... where making a mistake could lead to dissaster ! Robocopy is not really a copieing tool. It seems to be a synchronization tool. I believe I read something that if the destination contains newer files which are not in the original files. Then those newer files might be deleted when trying to "sync". I don't want to have to bother with strange options. All I want is a simply copy operation with date/time. This robocopy tool is clearly complete overkill and dangerous. Bye, Skybuck. |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/timeswhen copieing files.
Skybuck Flying wrote:
This robocopy tool is clearly complete overkill and dangerous. It's a beautiful tool, with one of the first implementations of overlapping disk I/O while copying. Paul |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/timeswhen copieing files.
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:33:32 -0000, Live wrote:
"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message ... What's even worse is that ms-dos has no command for as far as I know that can change a file's date or time ? Otherwise it could be as simple as creating a batchfile to scan the old folder structure and apply it to the new one... Of course it does; something like copy filename.ext+,, Use at your own risk. Bye, Skybuck. You can try FileMenuTools http://www.lopesoft.com/en/filemenutools -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug |
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Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/times when copieing files.
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 03:06:23 +0100, Skybuck Flying wrote:
I believe I read something that if the destination contains newer files which are not in the original files. Then those newer files might be deleted when trying to "sync". Those sentence fragments betray fragnmented thinking. In fact, robocopy won't delete anything unless you add an option specifically telling it to do that. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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