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JJ wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 17:02:34 -0600, Bill in Co wrote: There is an "Unofficial Windows XP SP4" version available (about 1 GB in size) that might be an option for some. You can read about it here (there are several links discussing this SP4 - google it): http://www.pcworld.com/article/25992...ce-pack-4.html or he http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1711...indows-xp-sp4/ or he http://www.ryanvm.net/forum/viewtopi...=asc&sta rt=0 for example. From what I've read, I haven't noted too many issues with it, but if one needs the windows updates, it might be worth considering. But I would keep a backup image (pre-SP4) just in case it doesn't work out. Shouldn't all post SP3 updates be available from this download? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/913086 When I checked that site out, it looks like it's only for Vista, Windows 7, etc (for the system requirements), so I don't think so: If you click on any of the other downloads (see the past ISO images) where you can actually see the system requirements, Windows XP is notably absent. |
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On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 8:32:23 AM UTC-5, JJ wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 17:02:34 -0600, Bill in Co wrote: There is an "Unofficial Windows XP SP4" version available (about 1 GB in size) that might be an option for some. You can read about it here (there are several links discussing this SP4 - google it): http://www.pcworld.com/article/25992...ce-pack-4.html or he http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1711...indows-xp-sp4/ or he http://www.ryanvm.net/forum/viewtopi...=asc&sta rt=0 for example. From what I've read, I haven't noted too many issues with it, but if one needs the windows updates, it might be worth considering. But I would keep a backup image (pre-SP4) just in case it doesn't work out. Shouldn't all post SP3 updates be available from this download? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/913086 I wonder why the security updates are so big ? 846 Mbs ?? Andy |
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On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 1:48:19 PM UTC-5, Andy wrote:
On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 8:32:23 AM UTC-5, JJ wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 17:02:34 -0600, Bill in Co wrote: There is an "Unofficial Windows XP SP4" version available (about 1 GB in size) that might be an option for some. You can read about it here (there are several links discussing this SP4 - google it): http://www.pcworld.com/article/25992...ce-pack-4.html or he http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1711...indows-xp-sp4/ or he http://www.ryanvm.net/forum/viewtopi...=asc&sta rt=0 for example. From what I've read, I haven't noted too many issues with it, but if one needs the windows updates, it might be worth considering. But I would keep a backup image (pre-SP4) just in case it doesn't work out. Shouldn't all post SP3 updates be available from this download? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/913086 I wonder why the security updates are so big ? 846 Mbs ?? Andy I had good luck with the Unofficial SP4 undate. Andy |
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Andy wrote:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/913086 I wonder why the security updates are so big ? 846 Mbs ?? Andy Download one and take it apart. It might contain support for multiple languages, times Itanium/x86/x64. Take the UAA patch long ago. People were probably wondering why that was so big. Well, every English user, was getting a file with 20 languages worth of support inside it. The download could have easily been 1/20th of the size, with a little care. The concept of Jumbo Installers, is nuts. Just like when you want your NVidia chipset drivers, and the file is 300MB in size. What do you think is in there ? Why, every chipset they've ever made is in that file, plus chipset video drivers, the kitchen sink, a full set of silverware, and so on. You must have noticed this trend by now. It's an attempt to crush dialup users, just for fun. Paul |
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In message , Paul
writes: Andy wrote: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/913086 I wonder why the security updates are so big ? 846 Mbs ?? Andy Download one and take it apart. It might contain support for multiple languages, times Itanium/x86/x64. No, it's EN only. If you read through the discussion at http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1711...indows-xp-sp4/ (it's long but IMO worthwhile), you'll see (as well as someone asking is there a xxx version, and someone else answering sorry, EN only) that the size is in large part due to MCE and .net bits (at least, that's my understanding of what harkaz said). Apparently lots of aspects of it are configurable - i. e. you don't have to install what you don't want. For example, it _includes_ .net 4, but doesn't _install_ it by default. Take the UAA patch long ago. People were probably wondering why that was so big. Well, every English user, was getting a file with 20 languages worth of support inside it. The download could have easily been 1/20th of the size, with a little care. Agreed, that _is_ sloppy - especially if other language versions _don't_ contain them all. The concept of Jumbo Installers, is nuts. Just like when you want your NVidia chipset drivers, and the file is 300MB in size. What do you think is in there ? Why, every chipset they've ever made is in that file, plus chipset video drivers, the kitchen sink, a full set of silverware, and so on. Yes and no. If it's that or nothing at all, then ... basically, if the installer/driver/whatever code contains lots of pieces of code that are common across multiple options, then it takes effort, and thus time and thus money, to generate 20 (or 100, or ...) small, almost identical, things that cater for many variants; given that this is something that is being provided for free, I guess we have to be grateful it is provided at all. Remember also that there's some trade-off even for the user: should you subsequently change your hardware to some that contains a different chipset, you still already have the file - which had it been a different file you wouldn't have, _and_ it might no longer be available at all at the date you make the change. But I do appreciate your frustration ... You must have noticed this trend by now. It's an attempt to crush dialup users, just for fun. .... especially if you're on dialup )-:. Paul (Another aspect of "Jumbo installers" is that they probably _will_ work [yes I know not always]; one aspect of the alternative, i. e. lots of little installers, is that it's not always easy to pick the right one, as it requires you to know fine details of your hardware - or whatever - that you don't: and getting and running the wrong one can _sometimes_ break things.) But from the above discussion, SP4 (looks like 3.1b is the last version) looks to have been made with great care, and not include anything you can't turn off. [Now, to try to find where the actual file is ... (-:] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Can a blue man sing the whites? |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 13:00:03 -0400, Paul wrote:
If you look at WSUSOffline package, you might be able to determine from the scripts there, the URL of the manifest for a particular OS. I've checked WSUS Offline as well as Windows Update Downloader. Both used prebuilt list of KB numbers or download URLs. You can search the catalog server too. But it's possible you have to use IE while doing so. For example, this does a search for KB3093266 http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...px?q=kb3093266 And I tried typing in "Windows 7" into the search box, and it gave a fairly long list of references. But not tuned in a useful way. Paul I'm not familiar with that part of Microsoft's sites, but it seems useful enough to get the list of only the updates (unlike the download section of www.microsoft.com). However, it requires an ActiveX plugin in order to retrieve the file download URL. After more googling with the help of the URL you've mentioned, I found an interesting KB article: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/926464 It mentions a "scan file" which seems to contain the list of the whole updates available in the server. The "scan file" URL as mentioned in the page is: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=74689 The file itself is about 156MB of a CAB archive. In it, there are smaller CAB files and an XML file and also within those smaller CABs. I haven't checked it thoroughly yet, but that scan file might hold the list of the entire updates available in the update server. Considering that the total uncompressed size of the whole list might be up to 1GB. |
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JJ wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 13:00:03 -0400, Paul wrote: If you look at WSUSOffline package, you might be able to determine from the scripts there, the URL of the manifest for a particular OS. I've checked WSUS Offline as well as Windows Update Downloader. Both used prebuilt list of KB numbers or download URLs. You can search the catalog server too. But it's possible you have to use IE while doing so. For example, this does a search for KB3093266 http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...px?q=kb3093266 And I tried typing in "Windows 7" into the search box, and it gave a fairly long list of references. But not tuned in a useful way. Paul I'm not familiar with that part of Microsoft's sites, but it seems useful enough to get the list of only the updates (unlike the download section of www.microsoft.com). However, it requires an ActiveX plugin in order to retrieve the file download URL. After more googling with the help of the URL you've mentioned, I found an interesting KB article: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/926464 It mentions a "scan file" which seems to contain the list of the whole updates available in the server. The "scan file" URL as mentioned in the page is: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=74689 The file itself is about 156MB of a CAB archive. In it, there are smaller CAB files and an XML file and also within those smaller CABs. I haven't checked it thoroughly yet, but that scan file might hold the list of the entire updates available in the update server. Considering that the total uncompressed size of the whole list might be up to 1GB. There are some comments here, that WSUSOffline uses that file. http://blogs.technet.com/b/mempson/a...-location.aspx It might also be used by MBSA (Microsoft Baseline Security Analyser). What you might miss though, is non-security updates. Things like certificate updates or timezone TZ changes. Paul |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes: Andy wrote: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/913086 I wonder why the security updates are so big ? 846 Mbs ?? Andy Download one and take it apart. It might contain support for multiple languages, times Itanium/x86/x64. No, it's EN only. If you read through the discussion at http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1711...indows-xp-sp4/ (it's long but IMO worthwhile), you'll see (as well as someone asking is there a xxx version, and someone else answering sorry, EN only) that the size is in large part due to MCE and .net bits (at least, that's my understanding of what harkaz said). Apparently lots of aspects of it are configurable - i. e. you don't have to install what you don't want. For example, it _includes_ .net 4, but doesn't _install_ it by default. Take the UAA patch long ago. People were probably wondering why that was so big. Well, every English user, was getting a file with 20 languages worth of support inside it. The download could have easily been 1/20th of the size, with a little care. Agreed, that _is_ sloppy - especially if other language versions _don't_ contain them all. The concept of Jumbo Installers, is nuts. Just like when you want your NVidia chipset drivers, and the file is 300MB in size. What do you think is in there ? Why, every chipset they've ever made is in that file, plus chipset video drivers, the kitchen sink, a full set of silverware, and so on. Yes and no. If it's that or nothing at all, then ... basically, if the installer/driver/whatever code contains lots of pieces of code that are common across multiple options, then it takes effort, and thus time and thus money, to generate 20 (or 100, or ...) small, almost identical, things that cater for many variants; given that this is something that is being provided for free, I guess we have to be grateful it is provided at all. Remember also that there's some trade-off even for the user: should you subsequently change your hardware to some that contains a different chipset, you still already have the file - which had it been a different file you wouldn't have, _and_ it might no longer be available at all at the date you make the change. But I do appreciate your frustration ... You must have noticed this trend by now. It's an attempt to crush dialup users, just for fun. ... especially if you're on dialup )-:. Paul (Another aspect of "Jumbo installers" is that they probably _will_ work [yes I know not always]; one aspect of the alternative, i. e. lots of little installers, is that it's not always easy to pick the right one, as it requires you to know fine details of your hardware - or whatever - that you don't: and getting and running the wrong one can _sometimes_ break things.) But from the above discussion, SP4 (looks like 3.1b is the last version) looks to have been made with great care, and not include anything you can't turn off. [Now, to try to find where the actual file is ... (-:] Yup, it seems 3.1b is the last one. I found and downloaded it (I thought it was on one of the links I gave), but haven't installed it, since I'm doing just fine without it, and I am not sure I want to test it out. :-) But I'm saving it just in case that day arises. I guess no one here has tried it (SP4) out, either. As I mentioned, if I do so, I'd be sure to keep a previous pre SP4 system backup image handy just in case something doesn't work out as expected. But from what I've read, it seems to be an earnest attempt on the part of one individual to put all the post SP3 updates together in one neat package. |
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In message , Bill in Co
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Paul writes: Andy wrote: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/913086 I wonder why the security updates are so big ? 846 Mbs ?? Andy USP4 3.1b is actually 992 or 993 MB. [] But from the above discussion, SP4 (looks like 3.1b is the last version) looks to have been made with great care, and not include anything you can't turn off. [Now, to try to find where the actual file is ... (-:] Yup, it seems 3.1b is the last one. I found and downloaded it (I thought it was on one of the links I gave), but haven't installed it, since I'm doing just fine without it, and I am not sure I want to test it out. :-) But I'm saving it just in case that day arises. Me too. I guess no one here has tried it (SP4) out, either. As I mentioned, if I do I think a poster a bit earlier - I think in this thread - said he'd used SP4 and not had any problems. so, I'd be sure to keep a previous pre SP4 system backup image handy just in case something doesn't work out as expected. But from what I've read, it seems to be an earnest attempt on the part of one individual to put all the while studying medicine - sounds like a big brain! post SP3 updates together in one neat package. And done a _lot_ of work testing it, and fixing problems people reported. One thing that wasn't clear: in one discussion thread, the one that has 9 pages, someone mentioned that slipstreaming it onto a Volume version of XP didn't work by default, because the slipstreaming process overwrote two files from the Volume version with ones of its own: that person put those two back, and it then did work. The other discussion thread, the one with 39 pages, didn't mention that. And yet somewhere else, I saw some mention that the slipstreaming tool is known to cause problems with those two files when run (the slipstreaming tool that is) under anything Vista or above, so it _may_ be OK if run under XP itself, even with a Volume XP - I don't know. If anyone else is wondering: it looks as if the USP4 can be used in two ways: either run (the download is an executable) _on_ an existing and working XP system (I _think_ any version, even back to initial ["SP0"] version), and it will update it; or, "slipstreamed" by combining it with an original XP installation disc, which would make a new CD which could be used to install "XP SP4" on a bare system. (There's something you're _advised_ to do if doing the first option - i. e. upgrading an already-working XP system - if you have a lot of post-SP3 updates already installed.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf There's no gender to genius. - Sara Mohr-Pietsch (RT 2015/3/7-15) |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Paul writes: Andy wrote: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/913086 I wonder why the security updates are so big ? 846 Mbs ?? Andy USP4 3.1b is actually 992 or 993 MB. [] But from the above discussion, SP4 (looks like 3.1b is the last version) looks to have been made with great care, and not include anything you can't turn off. [Now, to try to find where the actual file is ... (-:] Yup, it seems 3.1b is the last one. I found and downloaded it (I thought it was on one of the links I gave), but haven't installed it, since I'm doing just fine without it, and I am not sure I want to test it out. :-) But I'm saving it just in case that day arises. Me too. I guess no one here has tried it (SP4) out, either. As I mentioned, if I do I think a poster a bit earlier - I think in this thread - said he'd used SP4 and not had any problems. so, I'd be sure to keep a previous pre SP4 system backup image handy just in case something doesn't work out as expected. But from what I've read, it seems to be an earnest attempt on the part of one individual to put all the while studying medicine - sounds like a big brain! post SP3 updates together in one neat package. And done a _lot_ of work testing it, and fixing problems people reported. One thing that wasn't clear: in one discussion thread, the one that has 9 pages, someone mentioned that slipstreaming it onto a Volume version of XP didn't work by default, because the slipstreaming process overwrote two files from the Volume version with ones of its own: that person put those two back, and it then did work. The other discussion thread, the one with 39 pages, didn't mention that. And yet somewhere else, I saw some mention that the slipstreaming tool is known to cause problems with those two files when run (the slipstreaming tool that is) under anything Vista or above, so it _may_ be OK if run under XP itself, even with a Volume XP - I don't know. If anyone else is wondering: it looks as if the USP4 can be used in two ways: either run (the download is an executable) _on_ an existing and working XP system (I _think_ any version, even back to initial ["SP0"] version), and it will update it; or, "slipstreamed" by combining it with an original XP installation disc, which would make a new CD which could be used to install "XP SP4" on a bare system. (There's something you're _advised_ to do if doing the first option - i. e. upgrading an already-working XP system - if you have a lot of post-SP3 updates already installed.) I think it requires SP1. I copied in this quote from his page: "Windows XP Unofficial SP4 ENU is a cumulative update rollup for Windows XP (x86) English. It can be applied to a live Windows XP system which has SP1, at minimum, installed or it can be slipstreamed (integrated) in any Windows XP installation media." As for the "non-live" option, who knows. (Don't know about the slipstreaming option, however (the slipstreaming option sounds like too much of a PIA for me :-) For reference, here is the web page link again: http://www.ryanvm.net/forum/viewtopi...=asc&sta rt=0 |
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In message , Bill in Co
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] USP4 3.1b is actually 992 or 993 MB. [] I think it requires SP1. I copied in this quote from his page: "Windows XP Unofficial SP4 ENU is a cumulative update rollup for Windows XP (x86) English. It can be applied to a live Windows XP system which has SP1, at minimum, installed or it can be slipstreamed (integrated) in any Windows XP installation media." Ah, so it sounds as if using it to upgrade an existing installation requires that to be at least SP1, though the integration option might work with SP0. As for the "non-live" option, who knows. (Don't know about the slipstreaming option, however (the slipstreaming option sounds like too much of a PIA for me :-) For reference, here is the web page link again: I've never done it, but might attempt it, as the VL Windows CD I have is pre-SP1. They assure us it's simpler than it sounds (-:. http://www.ryanvm.net/forum/viewtopi...=0&postorder=a sc&start=0 -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf A professor is one who talks in someone else's sleep. |
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