Windows 2000 Pro / What browser to use

I was gonna post this to the Windows 2000 newsgroup, but it appears to
be dead.

I'm running Windows 2000 pro on an old computer, which would not handle
XP. It works fine, except the browser IE6 is old, (and I dont like IE).
I installed Firefox 6.02. I'd like to upgrade Firefox to the highest
version that will run on Win 2000. What version is that? I cant seem to
find anywhere a list that says which Firefox works on what operating
systems. Or maybe theere is some other browser to use. These older
browsers dont work well on some websites.

Thanks

On Fri, 13 May 2016 02:00:05 -0500, wrote:
I was gonna post this to the Windows 2000 newsgroup, but it appears to
be dead.

I'm running Windows 2000 pro on an old computer, which would not handle
XP. It works fine, except the browser IE6 is old, (and I dont like IE).
I installed Firefox 6.02. I'd like to upgrade Firefox to the highest
version that will run on Win 2000. What version is that? I cant seem to
find anywhere a list that says which Firefox works on what operating
systems. Or maybe theere is some other browser to use. These older
browsers dont work well on some websites.

Thanks

That would be Firefox 12, according to this archived article. (long text
warning)

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20120128143126/http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2012/01/end_of_firefox_win2k.html

Why not install a different OS like Linux with newer web browsers?

wrote:
I was gonna post this to the Windows 2000 newsgroup, but it appears to
be dead.

I'm running Windows 2000 pro on an old computer, which would not handle
XP. It works fine, except the browser IE6 is old, (and I dont like IE).
I installed Firefox 6.02. I'd like to upgrade Firefox to the highest
version that will run on Win 2000. What version is that? I cant seem to
find anywhere a list that says which Firefox works on what operating
systems. Or maybe theere is some other browser to use. These older
browsers dont work well on some websites.

Thanks



--
Quote of the Week: "God is a kid with an ant farm..." --Constantine movie.
Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
/\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site)
/ /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net
| |o o| |
\ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit-
( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link.

Ant wrote:
Why not install a different OS like Linux with newer web browsers?

wrote:
I was gonna post this to the Windows 2000 newsgroup, but it appears to
be dead.

I'm running Windows 2000 pro on an old computer, which would not handle
XP. It works fine, except the browser IE6 is old, (and I dont like IE).
I installed Firefox 6.02. I'd like to upgrade Firefox to the highest
version that will run on Win 2000. What version is that? I cant seem to
find anywhere a list that says which Firefox works on what operating
systems. Or maybe theere is some other browser to use. These older
browsers dont work well on some websites.

Thanks

There is Seamonkey. And maybe a little work with the
Win2K KernelEx can give the capability to run a
later version. On the theory that the architecture
hasn't changed enough in the browser for it to matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/

Some browsers, they really are busted. They have
acceleration features. Other browsers, they're only
coincidentally busted, by Microsoft adding an "OS
version check" somewhere. And hackers have defeated
those.

*******

I can't follow this stuff all that well. This
forum reads like one of the "boot forums", where
everything is cryptic and there are no useful
recipes mere mortals can use. This is one way
of running more recent browsers, depending
on how they got broken.

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1492...n2000/?page=34

If you're going to try stuff like that, make
a backup copy of the OS first.

Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
There is Seamonkey. And maybe a little work with the
Win2K KernelEx can give the capability to run a
later version. On the theory that the architecture
hasn't changed enough in the browser for it to matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey

(I hadn't realised SeaMonkey is a suite, like the old Netscape
Communicator, that includes browser, mail client, and news client.)

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/

(Unfortunately for the OP that only _lists_ versions, not dates or
compatibilities. [It maybe does if you go into the individual versions -
I didn't.])

Some browsers, they really are busted. They have
acceleration features. Other browsers, they're only
coincidentally busted, by Microsoft adding an "OS
version check" somewhere. And hackers have defeated
those.

Is that your diplomatic way of saying only Microsoft browsers (i. e. IE,
though presumably Edge as well) have that "feature" (drawback)?

*******

I can't follow this stuff all that well. This
forum reads like one of the "boot forums", where
everything is cryptic and there are no useful
recipes mere mortals can use. This is one way
of running more recent browsers, depending
on how they got broken.

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1492...n2000/?page=34

[If Paul has difficulty following it, I didn't even bother to look (-:!]

If you're going to try stuff like that, make
a backup copy of the OS first.

Paul

John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Never make the same mistake twice...there are so many new ones to make!

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes:
[]
There is Seamonkey. And maybe a little work with the
Win2K KernelEx can give the capability to run a
later version. On the theory that the architecture
hasn't changed enough in the browser for it to matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey

(I hadn't realised SeaMonkey is a suite, like the old Netscape
Communicator, that includes browser, mail client, and news client.)

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/

(Unfortunately for the OP that only _lists_ versions, not dates or
compatibilities. [It maybe does if you go into the individual versions -
I didn't.])

Some browsers, they really are busted. They have
acceleration features. Other browsers, they're only
coincidentally busted, by Microsoft adding an "OS
version check" somewhere. And hackers have defeated
those.

Is that your diplomatic way of saying only Microsoft browsers (i. e. IE,
though presumably Edge as well) have that "feature" (drawback)?

*******

I can't follow this stuff all that well. This
forum reads like one of the "boot forums", where
everything is cryptic and there are no useful
recipes mere mortals can use. This is one way
of running more recent browsers, depending
on how they got broken.

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1492...n2000/?page=34

[If Paul has difficulty following it, I didn't even bother to look (-:!]

If you're going to try stuff like that, make
a backup copy of the OS first.

Paul

John

The Wikipedia article tells you which is the
last version of Seamonkey for Win2K.

Some of the Microsoft tricks get applied when
Visual Studio is building code for you. As far
as I know, all it required is linking in a certain
version of a library, for a trick to show up.
An example, might be changing versions of Visual
Studio ("for... support"), and then having to
endure anything inserted along the way by Microsoft.

I find it annoying, as I ran into it on a game demo level
made available in my Win2K days. The game played in WinXP
(apparently). When I tried in Win2K, there was some
error message which basically amounted to "not on this
OS, buddy". I found a web page which gave instructions
for patching out the branch instruction for each test,
and placing an x86 NOP in its place. The game loaded
just fine after that, and ran *perfectly* . There was
absolutely nothing about Win2K which was offensive
to the program. I think you could say Microsoft
wasn't high on my Christmas list after that.

Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes:
[]
[]
Some browsers, they really are busted. They have
acceleration features. Other browsers, they're only
coincidentally busted, by Microsoft adding an "OS
version check" somewhere. And hackers have defeated
those.
Is that your diplomatic way of saying only Microsoft browsers (i. e.
IE, though presumably Edge as well) have that "feature" (drawback)?
[]
The Wikipedia article tells you which is the
last version of Seamonkey for Win2K.
OK.

Some of the Microsoft tricks get applied when
Visual Studio is building code for you. As far

Ah, I see, so the problem may show up in other browsers if they're built
using Microsoft compilers.

as I know, all it required is linking in a certain
version of a library, for a trick to show up.
An example, might be changing versions of Visual
Studio ("for... support"), and then having to
endure anything inserted along the way by Microsoft.

I find it annoying, as I ran into it on a game demo level
made available in my Win2K days. The game played in WinXP
(apparently). When I tried in Win2K, there was some
error message which basically amounted to "not on this
OS, buddy". I found a web page which gave instructions
for patching out the branch instruction for each test,
and placing an x86 NOP in its place. The game loaded

Sounds _very_ tedious (-:!

just fine after that, and ran *perfectly* . There was
absolutely nothing about Win2K which was offensive
to the program. I think you could say Microsoft
wasn't high on my Christmas list after that.

Another common variant of that (well, I used to come across it a lot at
the 95/98 transition [I used to run 98 but with the 95 shell, which was
simpler so faster and more stable], and I think occasionally at the
98/XP transition; probably less common at later transitions as the code
varies more) is where the prog. itself runs (or _would_ run) absolutely
fine under the earlier Windows, but the _installer_ will only run under
the later one. (Ways round that: _sometimes_ you could just copy all the
files over from an installation on a later-OS system - it depended on
whether the installer was mostly just an unpacker, or whether it messed
with registry settings and the like; or, for the 98/95 case, if you'd
installed 98lite with the _option_ of switching back to the 98 shell,
doing so just to run the installer and then back to 95 after the
install, but that usually involved at least two reboots, so was a pain.)

Paul
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

And if you kill Judi Dench, you can't go back home. - Bill Nighy (on learning
to ride a motorbike [on which she would be side-saddle] for "The Best Exotic
Marigold Hotel"), quoted in Radio Times 18-24 February 2012.

wrote:
I'm running Windows 2000 pro on an old computer, which would not handle
XP.

What is the cpu, ram, and video for the old computer?

--
Mike Easter

On Fri, 13 May 2016 12:13:18 +0100, JJ wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 02:00:05 -0500, wrote:
I was gonna post this to the Windows 2000 newsgroup, but it appears to
be dead.

I'm running Windows 2000 pro on an old computer, which would not handle
XP. It works fine, except the browser IE6 is old, (and I dont like IE).
I installed Firefox 6.02. I'd like to upgrade Firefox to the highest
version that will run on Win 2000. What version is that? I cant seem to
find anywhere a list that says which Firefox works on what operating
systems. Or maybe theere is some other browser to use. These older
browsers dont work well on some websites.

Thanks

That would be Firefox 12, according to this archived article. (long text
warning)

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20120128143126/http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2012/01/end_of_firefox_win2k.html

other old browsers are also available:

http://www.oldapps.com/opera.php?system=Windows_2000
It seems that Opera 12.10b is OK on W2k; (2014)

http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?system=Windows_2000
says FF10 is the last (2013)

http://www.oldapps.com/seamonkey.php...m=Windows_2000
SeaMonkey 2.9.1 (2012)

The webmasters have to keep fiddling; there's a lot of websites that a
simple standard text browser can't access any more. Javascript, Flash,
other trendy stuff, don't get me started.


--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug