Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86

My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a
flash drive but will boot x86. I want to do a fresh install of 2004 x64.
So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and install it over the
top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus and the x64 ISO and be able
to install x64 that way? Leaving tomorrow for a sea kayaking tour so will
not be back on the computer until Wednesday. So all of you have time to
mull over my questions.
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Bill Bradshaw wrote:

My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a
flash drive but will boot x86.

What does the bandwidth of a communication protocol have to do with the
bitwidth of an OS? What happened when you tried?

Sounds like more of a problem with the old BIOS in your old computer.
See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6KgK-pPilA
https://www.intowindows.com/how-to-b...ting-from-usb/
and
https://neosmart.net/wiki/open-source/easybcd/ (PLoP section)

Basically the "BIOS extender" is not in the BIOS firmware at all.
Instead the Windows bootloader is used to present the boot menu. You
select an entry for which image you want to boot (load). The Windows
bootloader loads that image and transfers control to it (to then load
the bootloader for that OS image). For example, when your backup
program offers the option to run it at boot-time, it drops a .dat file
on the hard disk containing the WinPE + backup program image, and you
select that boot menu entry to load that OS and start the backup
program.

You still have the old Windows install on your hard disk. Only if you
wipe it before getting PLoP setup then you have to do the CD method to
boot an OS distro from the CD to then use the PLoP manager to boot from
the USB drive -- whether it is USB 1.x, 2.0, or 3.x.

On 8/7/20 1:00 PM, this is what 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
No you can't upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit.

No dimwit! He said "I want to do a clean install over the x86".

Damn you don't read worth crap.

Now the boot issue you might be right about.

On 2020-08-07, Big Al wrote:
On 8/7/20 1:00 PM, this is what ???? Good Guy ???? wrote:
No you can't upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit.

No dimwit! He said "I want to do a clean install over the x86".

Damn you don't read worth crap.

Now the boot issue you might be right about.

Why an extra step to install x86?

Wouldn't the ms mediacreater prompts for either CD or usb media?
Just try the usb install 1st if it doesn't work use the Cd; I think
there will be a prompt for either clean/fresh install or "update".

It's been a long ago....but the version of usb is not the problem.

On 8/7/20 3:34 PM, this is what lew wrote:
On 2020-08-07, Big Al wrote:
On 8/7/20 1:00 PM, this is what ???? Good Guy ???? wrote:
No you can't upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit.

No dimwit! He said "I want to do a clean install over the x86".

Damn you don't read worth crap.

Now the boot issue you might be right about.

Why an extra step to install x86?

Wouldn't the ms mediacreater prompts for either CD or usb media?
Just try the usb install 1st if it doesn't work use the Cd; I think
there will be a prompt for either clean/fresh install or "update".

It's been a long ago....but the version of usb is not the problem.

I don't think that's the OP's issue. He has a PC with x86 version of windows running. He wants to clean install the x64 version.
Meaning he will format the drive and load a new system. So the X86 version has nothing to do with this.

His real issue is the x64 copy on the thumb won't boot. As Good Guy stumbled onto, he might not have a 64 bit machine to boot that thumb
drive (that might be a great drive).

Al

On 8/7/2020 9:43 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a
flash drive but will boot x86.


"Will boot X86"? No, it won't.

Do you mean "Will install X86"?


I want to do a fresh install of 2004 x64.
So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and install it over the
top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus and the x64 ISO and be able
to install x64 that way? Leaving tomorrow for a sea kayaking tour so will
not be back on the computer until Wednesday. So all of you have time to
mull over my questions.



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KenW wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 08:43:03 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw"
wrote:

My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64
from a flash drive but will boot x86. I want to do a fresh install
of 2004 x64. So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and
install it over the top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus
and the x64 ISO and be able to install x64 that way? Leaving
tomorrow for a sea kayaking tour so will not be back on the computer
until Wednesday. So all of you have time to mull over my questions.

X64 requires a clean install.

It will be a clean install. Formatted with GParted.

Bill

VanguardLH wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:

My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64
from a flash drive but will boot x86.

What does the bandwidth of a communication protocol have to do with
the bitwidth of an OS? What happened when you tried?

Sounds like more of a problem with the old BIOS in your old computer.
See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6KgK-pPilA
https://www.intowindows.com/how-to-b...ting-from-usb/
and
https://neosmart.net/wiki/open-source/easybcd/ (PLoP section)

Basically the "BIOS extender" is not in the BIOS firmware at all.
Instead the Windows bootloader is used to present the boot menu. You
select an entry for which image you want to boot (load). The Windows
bootloader loads that image and transfers control to it (to then load
the bootloader for that OS image). For example, when your backup
program offers the option to run it at boot-time, it drops a .dat file
on the hard disk containing the WinPE + backup program image, and you
select that boot menu entry to load that OS and start the backup
program.

You still have the old Windows install on your hard disk. Only if you
wipe it before getting PLoP setup then you have to do the CD method to
boot an OS distro from the CD to then use the PLoP manager to boot
from the USB drive -- whether it is USB 1.x, 2.0, or 3.x.

I tried to make a bootable Macrium Reflect Recovery on a CD with an x64
version and it would not boot. I had to go to a computer running x86 to
make the recovery and that would boot on the old x64 computer. The DVD
appears to be connected to USB internally. It must have something to do
with the BIOS.

Bill

Ken Blake wrote:
On 8/7/2020 9:43 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64
from a flash drive but will boot x86.


"Will boot X86"? No, it won't.

Do you mean "Will install X86"?


I want to do a fresh install of 2004 x64.
So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and install it
over the top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus and the x64
ISO and be able to install x64 that way? Leaving tomorrow for a sea
kayaking tour so will not be back on the computer until Wednesday. So all
of you have time to mull over my questions.

The problem I have is it appears for some reason I can only boot from a
flash drive or DVD player with media created as 32 bit. I have made x64
versions including one with RUFUS and they do not boot. It will only boot
what is made with x86. What I need to do is get booted so I can run the x64
install on a clean partition. I have to go sea kayaking so this will have
to wait until Wednesday or Thursday.

Bill

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
On 8/7/2020 9:43 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64
from a flash drive but will boot x86.

"Will boot X86"? No, it won't.

Do you mean "Will install X86"?


I want to do a fresh install of 2004 x64.
So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and install it
over the top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus and the x64
ISO and be able to install x64 that way? Leaving tomorrow for a sea
kayaking tour so will not be back on the computer until Wednesday. So all
of you have time to mull over my questions.

The problem I have is it appears for some reason I can only boot from a
flash drive or DVD player with media created as 32 bit. I have made x64
versions including one with RUFUS and they do not boot. It will only boot
what is made with x86. What I need to do is get booted so I can run the x64
install on a clean partition. I have to go sea kayaking so this will have
to wait until Wednesday or Thursday.

Bill

You really need to get yourself a copy of Intel PIU
(Processor Identification Utility), or CPU-Z or the
like, then look up your CPU on ark.intel.com
or over on cpu-world.com .

It sounds so far, like the CPU is 32-bit only.

There might have beens some processors like that on
AMD socket 754. Quite a few would be AMD64, but
a couple of the slower ones were 32-bit only.
Why you'd go to the trouble of making 32-bit only
CPUs, that's a real mystery.

Verify your hardware first, before spending a lot
of time making boot sticks.

Paul

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from
a flash drive but will boot x86. I want to do a fresh install of
2004 x64. So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and
install it over the top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus
and the x64 ISO and be able to install x64 that way? Leaving
tomorrow for a sea kayaking tour so will not be back on the computer
until Wednesday. So all of you have time to mull over my questions.

So I got x64 2004 installed using a 32 bit WinPE flash drive and the
"/InstallFrom" command-line option. Still have not figured out why I can
boot 32 bit flash drives and not x64 flash drives. I think it has something
to do with BIOS versus UFI on this old computer. Will play with this in the
future. Learned a lot about WinPE.
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