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Old October 9th 09, 02:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Rick Merrill[_3_]
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Default why backup?

Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you cannot
just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You have to have
all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry correct. - true or
false?
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Old October 9th 09, 03:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Bruce Chambers
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Default why backup?

Rick Merrill wrote:
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you cannot
just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive.



How does that make a backup "worthless?" That's exactly what a backup
is for: to preserve your data from loss and restore it to the new hard
drive or computer.


You have to have
all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry correct. - true or
false?



True enough, as far as applications go, but that's got nothing to do
with a data back up.


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Old October 9th 09, 03:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Bruce Chambers
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Default why backup?


Rick Merrill wrote:
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you cannot
just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive.



How does that make a backup "worthless?" That's exactly what a backup
is for: to preserve your data from loss and restore it to the new hard
drive or computer.


You have to have
all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry correct. - true or
false?



True enough, as far as applications go, but that's got nothing to do
with a data back up.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
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Old October 9th 09, 03:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
peter
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Its both true and false
True in the sense that you will need the program that created the backup in
order to restore the backup as well as the programs that
you were using for your work. Which is of course why a lot of persons in
this help group recommend a separate purchased backup program instead of
the build in XP/Vista one.
False in the sense that without a backup you have lost all of your personal
files/work ....everything gone with not a snowballs chance in hell of
getting it back.

peter

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"Rick Merrill" wrote in message
...
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you cannot
just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You have to have
all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry correct. - true or
false?


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Old October 9th 09, 03:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
peter
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Default why backup?

Its both true and false
True in the sense that you will need the program that created the backup in
order to restore the backup as well as the programs that
you were using for your work. Which is of course why a lot of persons in
this help group recommend a separate purchased backup program instead of
the build in XP/Vista one.
False in the sense that without a backup you have lost all of your personal
files/work ....everything gone with not a snowballs chance in hell of
getting it back.

peter

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If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :-)

"Rick Merrill" wrote in message
...
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you cannot
just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You have to have
all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry correct. - true or
false?


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Old October 9th 09, 03:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Daave[_8_]
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Default why backup?

Rick Merrill wrote:
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you
cannot just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You
have to have all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry
correct. - true or false?


Both statements are false (with a proviso).

Here is a scenario to consider:

You regularly image the hard drive of your laptop, using Acronis True
Image. These image archives exist on an external hard drive.

You travel, bringing your laptop, which eventually gets stolen.

You purchase a new replacement laptop (hopefully with money from the
insurance company). You place the Acronis boot disk in the CD-ROM tray
and boot off it (making sure your external hard drive is connected to
this new laptop).

You restore the archive(s).

Then simply reboot the PC (in the usual way, off the hard drive, of
course).

If the laptops are identical, there is no need to use an XP installation
CD.

If the laptops are not identical (here;s the proviso), then, yes, you
would need to use the XP installation CD to run a Repair Install "to
make the registry correct." However, I believe there are now programs
(perhaps the latest version of Acronis? Someone else will need to chime
in.) that will enable you to restore the image without needing to run a
Repair Install. If I can found out which programs these are, I will
include their names in a future post.


  #7  
Old October 9th 09, 03:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Daave[_8_]
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Default why backup?

Rick Merrill wrote:
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you
cannot just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You
have to have all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry
correct. - true or false?


Both statements are false (with a proviso).

Here is a scenario to consider:

You regularly image the hard drive of your laptop, using Acronis True
Image. These image archives exist on an external hard drive.

You travel, bringing your laptop, which eventually gets stolen.

You purchase a new replacement laptop (hopefully with money from the
insurance company). You place the Acronis boot disk in the CD-ROM tray
and boot off it (making sure your external hard drive is connected to
this new laptop).

You restore the archive(s).

Then simply reboot the PC (in the usual way, off the hard drive, of
course).

If the laptops are identical, there is no need to use an XP installation
CD.

If the laptops are not identical (here;s the proviso), then, yes, you
would need to use the XP installation CD to run a Repair Install "to
make the registry correct." However, I believe there are now programs
(perhaps the latest version of Acronis? Someone else will need to chime
in.) that will enable you to restore the image without needing to run a
Repair Install. If I can found out which programs these are, I will
include their names in a future post.


  #8  
Old October 9th 09, 04:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Daave[_8_]
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Default why backup?

Daave wrote:
Rick Merrill wrote:
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you
cannot just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You
have to have all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry
correct. - true or false?


Both statements are false (with a proviso).

Here is a scenario to consider:

You regularly image the hard drive of your laptop, using Acronis True
Image. These image archives exist on an external hard drive.

You travel, bringing your laptop, which eventually gets stolen.

You purchase a new replacement laptop (hopefully with money from the
insurance company). You place the Acronis boot disk in the CD-ROM tray
and boot off it (making sure your external hard drive is connected to
this new laptop).

You restore the archive(s).

Then simply reboot the PC (in the usual way, off the hard drive, of
course).

If the laptops are identical, there is no need to use an XP
installation CD.

If the laptops are not identical (here;s the proviso), then, yes, you
would need to use the XP installation CD to run a Repair Install "to
make the registry correct." However, I believe there are now programs
(perhaps the latest version of Acronis? Someone else will need to
chime in.) that will enable you to restore the image without needing
to run a Repair Install. If I can found out which programs these are,
I will include their names in a future post.


Here is one:

Paragon Drive Backup 9.0 Personal

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-personal/

It has a useful feature called Adaptive Restore, which apparently
doesn't need an XP installation CD.


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Old October 9th 09, 04:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Daave[_8_]
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Default why backup?


Daave wrote:
Rick Merrill wrote:
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you
cannot just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You
have to have all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry
correct. - true or false?


Both statements are false (with a proviso).

Here is a scenario to consider:

You regularly image the hard drive of your laptop, using Acronis True
Image. These image archives exist on an external hard drive.

You travel, bringing your laptop, which eventually gets stolen.

You purchase a new replacement laptop (hopefully with money from the
insurance company). You place the Acronis boot disk in the CD-ROM tray
and boot off it (making sure your external hard drive is connected to
this new laptop).

You restore the archive(s).

Then simply reboot the PC (in the usual way, off the hard drive, of
course).

If the laptops are identical, there is no need to use an XP
installation CD.

If the laptops are not identical (here;s the proviso), then, yes, you
would need to use the XP installation CD to run a Repair Install "to
make the registry correct." However, I believe there are now programs
(perhaps the latest version of Acronis? Someone else will need to
chime in.) that will enable you to restore the image without needing
to run a Repair Install. If I can found out which programs these are,
I will include their names in a future post.


Here is one:

Paragon Drive Backup 9.0 Personal

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-personal/

It has a useful feature called Adaptive Restore, which apparently
doesn't need an XP installation CD.


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Old October 9th 09, 06:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Rick Merrill[_3_]
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Posts: 169
Default why backup?

Daave wrote:
Daave wrote:
Rick Merrill wrote:
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you
cannot just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You
have to have all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry
correct. - true or false?

Both statements are false (with a proviso).

Here is a scenario to consider:

You regularly image the hard drive of your laptop, using Acronis True
Image. These image archives exist on an external hard drive.

You travel, bringing your laptop, which eventually gets stolen.

You purchase a new replacement laptop (hopefully with money from the
insurance company). You place the Acronis boot disk in the CD-ROM tray
and boot off it (making sure your external hard drive is connected to
this new laptop).

You restore the archive(s).

Then simply reboot the PC (in the usual way, off the hard drive, of
course).

If the laptops are identical, there is no need to use an XP
installation CD.

If the laptops are not identical (here;s the proviso), then, yes, you
would need to use the XP installation CD to run a Repair Install "to
make the registry correct." However, I believe there are now programs
(perhaps the latest version of Acronis? Someone else will need to
chime in.) that will enable you to restore the image without needing
to run a Repair Install. If I can found out which programs these are,
I will include their names in a future post.


Here is one:

Paragon Drive Backup 9.0 Personal

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-personal/

It has a useful feature called Adaptive Restore, which apparently
doesn't need an XP installation CD.


Good tip! the "Restore", which is an add-on to their backup product, can
create a vitual computer of your old system & data to run on a new
computer (and OS) - windows only.


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Old October 9th 09, 06:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Rick Merrill[_3_]
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Default why backup?

Daave wrote:
Daave wrote:
Rick Merrill wrote:
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you
cannot just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You
have to have all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry
correct. - true or false?

Both statements are false (with a proviso).

Here is a scenario to consider:

You regularly image the hard drive of your laptop, using Acronis True
Image. These image archives exist on an external hard drive.

You travel, bringing your laptop, which eventually gets stolen.

You purchase a new replacement laptop (hopefully with money from the
insurance company). You place the Acronis boot disk in the CD-ROM tray
and boot off it (making sure your external hard drive is connected to
this new laptop).

You restore the archive(s).

Then simply reboot the PC (in the usual way, off the hard drive, of
course).

If the laptops are identical, there is no need to use an XP
installation CD.

If the laptops are not identical (here;s the proviso), then, yes, you
would need to use the XP installation CD to run a Repair Install "to
make the registry correct." However, I believe there are now programs
(perhaps the latest version of Acronis? Someone else will need to
chime in.) that will enable you to restore the image without needing
to run a Repair Install. If I can found out which programs these are,
I will include their names in a future post.


Here is one:

Paragon Drive Backup 9.0 Personal

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-personal/

It has a useful feature called Adaptive Restore, which apparently
doesn't need an XP installation CD.


Good tip! the "Restore", which is an add-on to their backup product, can
create a vitual computer of your old system & data to run on a new
computer (and OS) - windows only.


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Old October 9th 09, 06:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default why backup?

Rick Merrill wrote:

Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you cannot
just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You have to have
all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry correct. - true or
false?


Get a better backup program, either one that includes the system files
during file-level backup operations or one that saves partition images
(which can be full or incremental and do NOT need to be sector-level
images).

If your backup solution is weak, look at using ERUNT to save a backup of
the registry.
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Old October 9th 09, 06:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default why backup?

Rick Merrill wrote:

Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you cannot
just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You have to have
all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry correct. - true or
false?


Get a better backup program, either one that includes the system files
during file-level backup operations or one that saves partition images
(which can be full or incremental and do NOT need to be sector-level
images).

If your backup solution is weak, look at using ERUNT to save a backup of
the registry.
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Old October 9th 09, 06:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
JS
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Default why backup?


"Rick Merrill" wrote in message
...
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you cannot
just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You have to have
all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry correct. - true or
false?


Sometimes a restore will not work at all on a new PC
and you will need to do a "Clean Install" and then you can
at least recover your data files from the image backup.

Sometimes a restore will at least allow you to boot the
new PC and then you must perform a "Repair Install" and
then install most or at least some of the drivers.

And sometimes you can do a restore and everything works just fine.
Usually the motherboards or PC must be the same model and revision
level.

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Old October 9th 09, 06:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
JS
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Default why backup?


"Rick Merrill" wrote in message
...
Backups are worthless if your computer is stolen/lost because you cannot
just restore the backup to a new computer's disk drive. You have to have
all the !@#$ installation disks to make the registry correct. - true or
false?


Sometimes a restore will not work at all on a new PC
and you will need to do a "Clean Install" and then you can
at least recover your data files from the image backup.

Sometimes a restore will at least allow you to boot the
new PC and then you must perform a "Repair Install" and
then install most or at least some of the drivers.

And sometimes you can do a restore and everything works just fine.
Usually the motherboards or PC must be the same model and revision
level.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com




 




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