Microsoft Account

Maybe I haven't done enough research, but once again, in setting up a
machine on Windows 8.1, I have been asked to log in with my Microsoft
Account email address.

If I do this, it is blazoned across the screen. I don't want this. I might
be surrounded by girls on the train looking for my email address. It also
doesn't match the user name on my local network.

If I log on with the user name for my local network, this is displayed,
but if I try to download some part of Windows eg OneNote, I can't do it
without changing my account to the Microsoft registered one.

Have I missed something, or is this software really this stupid?

On 3/3/2014 2:44 PM, Bill wrote:
Maybe I haven't done enough research, but once again, in setting up a
machine on Windows 8.1, I have been asked to log in with my Microsoft
Account email address.

If I do this, it is blazoned across the screen. I don't want this. I might
be surrounded by girls on the train looking for my email address. It also
doesn't match the user name on my local network.

If I log on with the user name for my local network, this is displayed,
but if I try to download some part of Windows eg OneNote, I can't do it
without changing my account to the Microsoft registered one.

Have I missed something, or is this software really this stupid?

Maybe Windows 8.1 is different than 8, but under 8 I sign in on my
Windows logon. And any Metro Apps that needs my Microsoft logon does so
automatically. Although you have to tell it to the first time and then
it never asks again for this App. I have to do this once for every App
that needs to logon.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1

Bill wrote:
Maybe I haven't done enough research, but once again, in setting up a
machine on Windows 8.1, I have been asked to log in with my Microsoft
Account email address.

If I do this, it is blazoned across the screen. I don't want this. I might
be surrounded by girls on the train looking for my email address. It also
doesn't match the user name on my local network.

If I log on with the user name for my local network, this is displayed,
but if I try to download some part of Windows eg OneNote, I can't do it
without changing my account to the Microsoft registered one.

Have I missed something, or is this software really this stupid?


Microsoft's plan, is to introduce tools tied in somehow, to cloud storage.
And that requires the Microsoft Account, for the tie-in and Internet authentication.
It's all a grand plan to want you to be "bound" to cloud storage.

For things that don't tie into the grand plan, a "local account" works just fine.
The software and methods I use, are all handled by a local account. Since I don't
visit the Microsoft Store for my free copy of Solitaire, I will not need the
Microsoft Account. Similarly, I have downloaded my Windows 8.1 installer DVD,
so won't be needing the App Store for my Service Pack. (And if for some reason,
the idiots cut off non-local operation in some future Service Pack, I'll just
dump 8, just like that.)

(Getting a local account...)

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/win...in-windows-81/

For a person who wants to use the OS without limitation, they'll be
displaying that Microsoft Account on their screen.

I don't know if the word "stupid" applies as much as "business strategy".
You're suffering the side effects, of somebody else's "master plan".

And if you look at the latest market shares for OSes, you'll notice
the "master plan" isn't going all that well. In fact, the market share
is fine - it's just a "loss of face" situation, as the user community
chooses Windows 7 (when they can still buy it).

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201203-201402

Paul

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 15:03:03 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 3/3/2014 2:44 PM, Bill wrote:
Maybe I haven't done enough research, but once again, in setting up a
machine on Windows 8.1, I have been asked to log in with my Microsoft
Account email address.

If I do this, it is blazoned across the screen. I don't want this. I
might be surrounded by girls on the train looking for my email address.
It also doesn't match the user name on my local network.

If I log on with the user name for my local network, this is displayed,
but if I try to download some part of Windows eg OneNote, I can't do it
without changing my account to the Microsoft registered one.

Have I missed something, or is this software really this stupid?

Maybe Windows 8.1 is different than 8, but under 8 I sign in on my
Windows logon. And any Metro Apps that needs my Microsoft logon does so
automatically. Although you have to tell it to the first time and then
it never asks again for this App. I have to do this once for every App
that needs to logon.

Maybe I've misunderstood, but this sounds like the way that Microsoft says
in "not recommended".

The normal screen quite clearly says "The next time you sign in to this
device, use your Microsoft account".

That way will display my email address to all and sundry.

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 16:52:37 -0500, Paul wrote in


Microsoft's plan, is to introduce tools tied in somehow, to cloud storage.
And that requires the Microsoft Account, for the tie-in and Internet authentication.
It's all a grand plan to want you to be "bound" to cloud storage.

Then once they have you "bound", they can start charging annual fees
and exert more control over what you do and how you do it.

Those of you who moved from the mainframe world to PCs in the late
1970s may recall that the big attractions of the PCs was to break the
umbilical cord that made you a slave to the computer department. The
"cloud" is an attempt to reestablish that chain of bondage.
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CRNG wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 16:52:37 -0500, Paul wrote in


Microsoft's plan, is to introduce tools tied in somehow, to cloud storage.
And that requires the Microsoft Account, for the tie-in and Internet authentication.
It's all a grand plan to want you to be "bound" to cloud storage.

Then once they have you "bound", they can start charging annual fees
and exert more control over what you do and how you do it.

Those of you who moved from the mainframe world to PCs in the late
1970s may recall that the big attractions of the PCs was to break the
umbilical cord that made you a slave to the computer department. The
"cloud" is an attempt to reestablish that chain of bondage.


Not many present-day "PC users" could be described as having "moved from
the mainframe world". That was for organisations, institutions and
companies".

The "cloud" is a natural growth from wanting to share things between all
your PCs, laptops, tablets, ipods and whatever will be on the shelves
tomorrow; and with other people too.
If you can only see it in the terms that you've laid down, then you must
be pretty paranoid.

There's a similar situation in modern-day security cameras. There are
millions of them, and every time a crime is committed we get views from
all over the place.
Well then, is it Big Brother? Police State? Or is it helping keep down
crime?

Ed

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:37:19 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Not many present-day "PC users" could be described as having "moved from
the mainframe world". That was for organisations, institutions and
companies".


True, not many. But I'm one of them.

I posted this earlier, and it appears in my sent folder, but I can't see
it anywhere. Apologies if it appears twice..... now 3 times and a
different news provider......

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:37:19 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

The "cloud" is a natural growth from wanting to share things between
all
your PCs, laptops, tablets, ipods and whatever will be on the shelves
tomorrow; and with other people too.

That's all very well, but here the internet connection has been flakey
since I posted the original message, and I've just visited a small
business where the owner had just decided to stick with W7 on the new
laptop rather than move to W8. Their internet went down while I was
there,
and the ISP worked with the local exchange to adjust sending levels.

I will use the cloud, but I don't see how anyone in their right mind in
the real world could base critical systems on it.

And no-one has answered my original point that I don't want any stranger
on the bus, train, airplane etc. to be able to see my email address in
large print across the top of the screen.

Addendum And having followed all the on-screen instructions to
be able to download an app, it appeared to force me to change to the
Microsoft account login. After rebooting, I see no way to change back to
the local login at the initial login screen. It has replaced my login by
the email address that is my MS account.

Now I have to log in to other computers on my local network to
communicate with them, and presumably all my user directory settings are
screwed.

This is totally unacceptable. I have to be doing something wrong?
--
Bill

On 04-Mar-2014 09:37, Ed Cryer wrote:
CRNG wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 16:52:37 -0500, Paul wrote in


Microsoft's plan, is to introduce tools tied in somehow, to cloud
storage.
And that requires the Microsoft Account, for the tie-in and Internet
authentication.
It's all a grand plan to want you to be "bound" to cloud storage.

Then once they have you "bound", they can start charging annual fees
and exert more control over what you do and how you do it.

Those of you who moved from the mainframe world to PCs in the late
1970s may recall that the big attractions of the PCs was to break the
umbilical cord that made you a slave to the computer department. The
"cloud" is an attempt to reestablish that chain of bondage.


Not many present-day "PC users" could be described as having "moved from
the mainframe world". That was for organisations, institutions and
companies".

The "cloud" is a natural growth from wanting to share things between all
your PCs, laptops, tablets, ipods and whatever will be on the shelves
tomorrow; and with other people too.
If you can only see it in the terms that you've laid down, then you must
be pretty paranoid.

There's a similar situation in modern-day security cameras. There are
millions of them, and every time a crime is committed we get views from
all over the place.

Well then, is it Big Brother? Police State? Or is it helping keep down
crime?


Unfortunately *All of the above*

--
Leala.

Ed Cryer wrote:

There's a similar situation in modern-day security cameras. There are
millions of them, and every time a crime is committed we get views from
all over the place.

Unless you're talking about the crimes committed in Washington, Wall
Street, BP, Exxon, banks and the boys. Good luck getting a view of that.

--
Blue