[OT] Ubuntu Code of Conduct v2.0

Ubuntu is about showing humanity to one another: the word itself
captures the spirit of being human.

We want a productive, happy and agile community that can welcome new
ideas in a complex field, improve every process every year, and foster
collaboration between groups with very different needs, interests and
skills.

We gain strength from diversity, and actively seek participation from
those who enhance it. This code of conduct exists to ensure that diverse
groups collaborate to mutual advantage and enjoyment. We will challenge
prejudice that could jeopardise the participation of any person in the
project.

The Code of Conduct governs how we behave in public or in private
whenever the project will be judged by our actions. We expect it to be
honoured by everyone who represents the project officially or
informally, claims affiliation with the project, or participates directly.

Mo https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct

This sounds like a MUCH better place than Usenet. Does anyone reading
here use Ubuntu? If so, are you active in the Community in any way?

--
"Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer)

David B. crossposted:
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop, alt.windows7.general,
alt.comp.os.windows-10

Gadfly x-poster.

Does anyone reading here use Ubuntu?

The Ub forums are an excellent source of information and help.

Many usenet participants don't like typing into a browser; corresponding
by browser interface.

So, besides web-based there are newsgroups, IRC, and mailing lists. And
hybrids.


--
Mike Easter

On 24/02/2017 10:46, Mike Easter claimed that I'm a ...

Gadfly x-poster.

I looked up what Mike may have meant by that and discovered that he
probably thinks that I endeavor "to sting people and whip them into a
fury, *all in the service of truth*."

Refer to Socrates, he- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_gadfly

I confess that SOMETIMES that is true, but NOT in THIS instance.
Accordingly, my selected groups have been re-instated.

_Does anyone reading here use Ubuntu_?

You will note that, as is often the case, Mike did not actually answer
my question! ;-)

The Ub forums are an excellent source of information and help.

Many usenet participants don't like typing into a browser; corresponding
by browser interface.

So, besides web-based there are newsgroups, IRC, and mailing lists. And
hybrids.

Thank you for so advising, Mike. That is much as is stated he-

https://www.ubuntu.com/support/community-support

I shall investigate further once I've finished upgrading my ancient Dell
Dimension 2400 to Ubuntu version 16.04

--
"Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer)

On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 02:46:16 -0800
Mike Easter wrote:

David B. crossposted:
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop, alt.windows7.general,
alt.comp.os.windows-10

Gadfly x-poster.

Does anyone reading here use Ubuntu?

The Ub forums are an excellent source of information and help.

Many usenet participants don't like typing into a browser;
corresponding by browser interface.

So, besides web-based there are newsgroups, IRC, and mailing lists.
And hybrids.



all groups restored to spread you vast insight around...

On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 02:46:16 -0800
Mike Easter wrote:

David B. crossposted:
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop, alt.windows7.general,
alt.comp.os.windows-10

Gadfly x-poster.

Does anyone reading here use Ubuntu?

The Ub forums are an excellent source of information and help.

Many usenet participants don't like typing into a browser;
corresponding by browser interface.

So, besides web-based there are newsgroups, IRC, and mailing lists.
And hybrids.



all groups restored to spread you vast insight around...

On 24/02/2017 13:25, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 02:46:16 -0800
Mike Easter wrote:

David B. crossposted:
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop, alt.windows7.general,
alt.comp.os.windows-10

Gadfly x-poster.

Does anyone reading here use Ubuntu?

The Ub forums are an excellent source of information and help.

Many usenet participants don't like typing into a browser;
corresponding by browser interface.

So, besides web-based there are newsgroups, IRC, and mailing lists.
And hybrids.



all groups restored to spread you vast insight around...

You put 'alt.windows7.general' in twice! ;-)

"David B." wrote

| Ubuntu is about showing humanity to one another: the word itself
| captures the spirit of being human.
|

I find the whole OSS world and "youth-tech" to
be very interesting sociologically, but not necessarily
an ideal world in the way they'd like to think. Ubuntu
is a dubious product:

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/u...-privacy-award

OSS run by an autocrat? I've never actually installed
it because to the extent I'm interested in Linux, I'm
interested in the aspect of it being a functional tool
that I can control for myself. So I can't speak to the
Ubuntu product. I'm not interested in using tightly
controlled adware simply because it's said to be OSS.
(And that's assuming I could get past the silly
Sesame Street names of their versions.)

The manifesto you quote seems to me a classic
example of what might be termed "progressivist
fascism". Group pressure to conform and produce,
wrapped in humanistic idealism. It's also a good
example of naive youthful idealism.

The OSS world that I've experienced is actually
very hierarchical, almost para-military. "We love
diversity. Minorities rule. As long as they think
like us and their celebratory diversity doesn't get
in the way." (The united ehtnicities and genders
of Ubuntu. The unitied colors of Bennetton, united
in shopping.)

Note that the word "agile" refers to
a current programming fad, characterized by "team"
work and quick output with little structure. That's not
necessarily bad, but it's only one way of doing things.
Anyone who likes to work alone will have problems.
Anyone who likes to be very thorough about quality
control will have problems. Areas where quality control
should be more important than creativity, such as
Elon Musk's businesses, may be problematic. (It's
not a tragedy if Zuck decides to flip your Facebook
page upside down on a lark, but do you really want
your car doing a software update in a traffic jam?)

A careful reading of their code of conduct reveals
a poorly written string of milk carton aphorisms, with
little specific detail. That's probably because the code
itself is insider jargon. They assume they don't need
to explain words such as "agile". Like teenagers, they
assume they're talking to like-minded peers and haven't
really thought through their "philosophy". They
assume that if they fill their tract with "good stuff"
like respect and non-aggression then it must be good.

Note the section "Leadership, authority and responsibility"
defines leadership as a shared resource, while the next
section, "Delegation from the Top", makes clear that
the organization is hierarchical. A direct contradiction.
But who cares? Behave yourself and we'll all get along.
Who could argue with that?

All of which is not to say that I'm against OSS, but
there is an interesting kind of quasi-fascist idealism
in youth that's become a big factor in tech, and
especially in OSS. Like the communes of the 60s, good
intentions mix with naivety and natural human aggression
to produce often unexpected results. Leave people
"equal" for long enough and king-of-the-hill will always
break out.

When Uber was new I was out to dinner one night
with my millennial neice. Her iPhone picked the
restaurant. Her iPhone called an Uber taxi. She
represented the whole thing as a glorious new
world order. Tech had ushered in a new level of
social sharing. It felt like the idealism of my young
hippie days. We'd cut out corporate sleaze, using
e-connections to keep our activities and interactions
human. We didn't hire a taxi. We communed with
a fellow New World Order participant. My neice
would learn the name of her Uber driver and they'd
share their idealism. And conveniently there was no
need to actually exchange money, so we didn't
have to think of it all as business.

On Wed the NYT ran an article about the vicious,
competitive world of being an Uber driver. (Not
counting the fact that one is sucked into a low-paid
lackey job by exploiting one's simple-minded idealism.)
New world order indeed. Like Steve Jobs, they're
just using one of the oldest tricks in the book:
Exploiting idealism to vacuum cash from other peoples'
wallets.

http://boingboing.net/2017/02/22/aft...nt-accoun.html

(That's the only link I found that didn't require
script or cookies.)

What's wrong with usenet? I think people here
are surprisingly well-behaved considering the
environment of partial anonymity and freedom.
Unlike the "agile" OSS world, one doesn't risk being
cast out of the cult for disagreeing in a non-PC
way. Yet people are still usually civil. And they
tolerate these entertaining, OT forays, up to a
point.

| We want a productive, happy and agile community that can welcome new
| ideas in a complex field, improve every process every year, and foster
| collaboration between groups with very different needs, interests and
| skills.
|
| We gain strength from diversity, and actively seek participation from
| those who enhance it. This code of conduct exists to ensure that diverse
| groups collaborate to mutual advantage and enjoyment. We will challenge
| prejudice that could jeopardise the participation of any person in the
| project.
|
| The Code of Conduct governs how we behave in public or in private
| whenever the project will be judged by our actions. We expect it to be
| honoured by everyone who represents the project officially or
| informally, claims affiliation with the project, or participates directly.
|
| Mo https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
|
| This sounds like a MUCH better place than Usenet. Does anyone reading
| here use Ubuntu? If so, are you active in the Community in any way?
|

What's the difference between "code" and covenant"?

On 24/02/2017 5:33 PM, David B. wrote:
Ubuntu is about showing humanity to one another: the word itself
captures the spirit of being human.

We want a productive, happy and agile community that can welcome new
ideas in a complex field, improve every process every year, and foster
collaboration between groups with very different needs, interests and
skills.

We gain strength from diversity, and actively seek participation from
those who enhance it. This code of conduct exists to ensure that diverse
groups collaborate to mutual advantage and enjoyment. We will challenge
prejudice that could jeopardise the participation of any person in the
project.

The Code of Conduct governs how we behave in public or in private
whenever the project will be judged by our actions. We expect it to be
honoured by everyone who represents the project officially or
informally, claims affiliation with the project, or participates directly.

Mo https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct

This sounds like a MUCH better place than Usenet. Does anyone reading
here use Ubuntu? If so, are you active in the Community in any way?



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Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
What's the difference between "code" and covenant"?

6 letters.

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On 24/02/2017 15:18, Mayayana wrote:
"David B." wrote

| Ubuntu is about showing humanity to one another: the word itself
| captures the spirit of being human.
|

I find the whole OSS world and "youth-tech" to
be very interesting sociologically, but not necessarily
an ideal world in the way they'd like to think. Ubuntu
is a dubious product:

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/u...-privacy-award

OSS run by an autocrat? I've never actually installed
it because to the extent I'm interested in Linux, I'm
interested in the aspect of it being a functional tool
that I can control for myself. So I can't speak to the
Ubuntu product. I'm not interested in using tightly
controlled adware simply because it's said to be OSS.
(And that's assuming I could get past the silly
Sesame Street names of their versions.)

The manifesto you quote seems to me a classic
example of what might be termed "progressivist
fascism". Group pressure to conform and produce,
wrapped in humanistic idealism. It's also a good
example of naive youthful idealism.

The OSS world that I've experienced is actually
very hierarchical, almost para-military. "We love
diversity. Minorities rule. As long as they think
like us and their celebratory diversity doesn't get
in the way." (The united ehtnicities and genders
of Ubuntu. The unitied colors of Bennetton, united
in shopping.)

Note that the word "agile" refers to
a current programming fad, characterized by "team"
work and quick output with little structure. That's not
necessarily bad, but it's only one way of doing things.
Anyone who likes to work alone will have problems.
Anyone who likes to be very thorough about quality
control will have problems. Areas where quality control
should be more important than creativity, such as
Elon Musk's businesses, may be problematic. (It's
not a tragedy if Zuck decides to flip your Facebook
page upside down on a lark, but do you really want
your car doing a software update in a traffic jam?)

A careful reading of their code of conduct reveals
a poorly written string of milk carton aphorisms, with
little specific detail. That's probably because the code
itself is insider jargon. They assume they don't need
to explain words such as "agile". Like teenagers, they
assume they're talking to like-minded peers and haven't
really thought through their "philosophy". They
assume that if they fill their tract with "good stuff"
like respect and non-aggression then it must be good.

Note the section "Leadership, authority and responsibility"
defines leadership as a shared resource, while the next
section, "Delegation from the Top", makes clear that
the organization is hierarchical. A direct contradiction.
But who cares? Behave yourself and we'll all get along.
Who could argue with that?

All of which is not to say that I'm against OSS, but
there is an interesting kind of quasi-fascist idealism
in youth that's become a big factor in tech, and
especially in OSS. Like the communes of the 60s, good
intentions mix with naivety and natural human aggression
to produce often unexpected results. Leave people
"equal" for long enough and king-of-the-hill will always
break out.

When Uber was new I was out to dinner one night
with my millennial neice. Her iPhone picked the
restaurant. Her iPhone called an Uber taxi. She
represented the whole thing as a glorious new
world order. Tech had ushered in a new level of
social sharing. It felt like the idealism of my young
hippie days. We'd cut out corporate sleaze, using
e-connections to keep our activities and interactions
human. We didn't hire a taxi. We communed with
a fellow New World Order participant. My neice
would learn the name of her Uber driver and they'd
share their idealism. And conveniently there was no
need to actually exchange money, so we didn't
have to think of it all as business.

On Wed the NYT ran an article about the vicious,
competitive world of being an Uber driver. (Not
counting the fact that one is sucked into a low-paid
lackey job by exploiting one's simple-minded idealism.)
New world order indeed. Like Steve Jobs, they're
just using one of the oldest tricks in the book:
Exploiting idealism to vacuum cash from other peoples'
wallets.

http://boingboing.net/2017/02/22/aft...nt-accoun.html

(That's the only link I found that didn't require
script or cookies.)

What's wrong with usenet? I think people here
are surprisingly well-behaved considering the
environment of partial anonymity and freedom.
Unlike the "agile" OSS world, one doesn't risk being
cast out of the cult for disagreeing in a non-PC
way. Yet people are still usually civil. And they
tolerate these entertaining, OT forays, up to a
point.

| We want a productive, happy and agile community that can welcome new
| ideas in a complex field, improve every process every year, and foster
| collaboration between groups with very different needs, interests and
| skills.
|
| We gain strength from diversity, and actively seek participation from
| those who enhance it. This code of conduct exists to ensure that diverse
| groups collaborate to mutual advantage and enjoyment. We will challenge
| prejudice that could jeopardise the participation of any person in the
| project.
|
| The Code of Conduct governs how we behave in public or in private
| whenever the project will be judged by our actions. We expect it to be
| honoured by everyone who represents the project officially or
| informally, claims affiliation with the project, or participates directly.
|
| Mo https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
|
| This sounds like a MUCH better place than Usenet. Does anyone reading
| here use Ubuntu? If so, are you active in the Community in any way?
|

Thank you so *VERY* much for your comprehensive response, Mayayana. :-)

I'll re-read it tomorrow too.

--
"Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer)

On 02/24/2017 10:28 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
What's the difference between "code" and covenant"?

6 letters.


8 letters, 2 removed and 6 added.

--
"One of the proofs of the immortality of the soul is that myriads have
believed it - they also believed the world was flat." [Mark Twain]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 14:18:47 +0000
"David B." wrote:

On 24/02/2017 13:25, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 02:46:16 -0800
Mike Easter wrote:

David B. crossposted:
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop, alt.windows7.general,
alt.comp.os.windows-10

Gadfly x-poster.

Does anyone reading here use Ubuntu?

The Ub forums are an excellent source of information and help.

Many usenet participants don't like typing into a browser;
corresponding by browser interface.

So, besides web-based there are newsgroups, IRC, and mailing lists.
And hybrids.



all groups restored to spread you vast insight around...

You put 'alt.windows7.general' in twice! ;-)

Doubly important.

On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 14:18:47 +0000
"David B." wrote:

On 24/02/2017 13:25, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 02:46:16 -0800
Mike Easter wrote:

David B. crossposted:
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop, alt.windows7.general,
alt.comp.os.windows-10

Gadfly x-poster.

Does anyone reading here use Ubuntu?

The Ub forums are an excellent source of information and help.

Many usenet participants don't like typing into a browser;
corresponding by browser interface.

So, besides web-based there are newsgroups, IRC, and mailing lists.
And hybrids.



all groups restored to spread you vast insight around...

You put 'alt.windows7.general' in twice! ;-)

Doubly important.

On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 09:33:39 +0000
"David B." wrote:

From: "David B."
Subject: [OT] Ubuntu Code of Conduct v2.0
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 09:33:39 +0000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0)
Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1
Newsgroups:
alt.computer.workshop,alt.windows7.general,alt.com p.os.windows-10
Organization: blocknews - www.blocknews.net

Ubuntu is about showing humanity to one another:

So they are giving head to everyone now?

David B. wrote:
I shall investigate further once I've finished upgrading my ancient Dell
Dimension 2400 to Ubuntu version 16.04

That wouldn't be my choice for that hardware.

The stock Dell Dimension 2400 came with XP, 256 meg DDR ram, a 2.4 Ghz
Celeron, and 'primitive' Intel extreme graphics. 40G IDE hdd. Dell
says it will take 1G ram; Intel says 2G. Somehow I'm doubtful if it has
2G. If you only have 256 meg you are severely limited by all 3 cpu,
ram, video. If you have as much as a gig, there are lots of distros you
could use, but Ub 16.04's Unity isn't one of them that will do well.

I would use something XFCE based on a Deb instead of Ub, but more
user-friendly than a stock Deb such as MX 16.


--
Mike Easter