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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version.
But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit. I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like seventy. Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly upgrades/rental fees or whatever. Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up renting it. -- Pete Cresswell |
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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
PeteCresswell wrote:
I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version. Does the XP version not install on Win7? If it installs, does it fail to load or function properly on Win7? If the XP version installs and runs okay on Win7 then why bother to move to a new version? What in the new version must you have? But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit. Intuit no longer owns Quicken. They sold it off back in 2016 to H.I.G. Capital. Quite often such sales are to software publishers that put little development into the product and instead just want to add it their portfolio as a revenue source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.I.G._Capital I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like seventy. See prices WHERE? The seller is who you decide to trust or not. I've seen sellers that I would not trust. You do not mention if the $30 price is for a full new version or for an upgrade version. I'm sure that Quicken has a threshold as to how far back in version for which they will support upgrades. https://www.quicken.com/support/how-...uicken-windows That says Quicken 2013 is not supported so it does not qualify as a base version against which you can apply an upgrade. Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly upgrades/rental fees or whatever. Well, if you're engrained to update to the latest version, yes, you'll be somewhat in a yearly subscription rut because they likely come out with a new major version every year. Seems they have a new "yearly" version (see https://www.quicken.com/support/patc...dates-windows). Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up renting it. Depends. Is this for business use? If for personal use, there are free equivalents for personal finance management; e.g., GnuCash (completely free, even for business use), AceMoney ($40 unless you get the crippled Lite version for free which handles only 2 accounts), Mint (an online money manager). https://www.quicken.com/support/eula That lists the EULAs for each version of Quicken. At: https://www.quicken.com/support/eula/quicken-2017 says: 3. PAYMENT. For Software licensed on a payment or subscription basis, the following terms apply, unless Quicken notifies you otherwise in writing. e. Quicken will automatically renew your monthly, quarterly, or annual subscription at the then-current rates ... Assuming you stay within the same Deluxe edition of Quicken and merely upgrade to a later version: https://www.quicken.com/personal-fin...en-deluxe-2017 That says the cost (for full version, not upgrade) is $65. I clicked on "Add to cart" but neither of those pages indicate if you are buying a lifetime license (with or without minor version upgrades) or buying a subscription license (and without mention of the duration of a subscription). You could simply call them to find out if buying their product gets you a permanent license (to continually use what-would-eventually-become- an-old version) or if you would end up buying a subcription (the version expires at some point in the future). The problem with the term "subscription" is that it could be for an indefinite term (the product never expires) or for a definite term (the product expires and you have to buy a new version). Using "quicken subscription", I found: http://www.pcworld.com/article/31660...big-catch.html Don't know where you are. Call them to find out what type of license you'd end up getting with purchase of a new version of Quicken. When you call, tell them that it is a pre-sales inquiry (that hints you are interested in buying their product but want more information). https://www.quicken.com/support/quicken-order-questions How do I upgrade my current version of Quicken? What is the upgrade price? Each time you purchase Quicken, you're purchasing a full Quicken version that will convert your existing Quicken file(s). There is no specific upgrade, or upgrade pricing, for Quicken, though we do offer periodic purchase discounts to our customers. For example, if you have Quicken Deluxe 2016 and want to upgrade to Quicken Deluxe 2017, you'll purchase a full version of Quicken Deluxe 2017 at the current price. So there is no upgrade pricing. |
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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:51:11 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version. But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit. I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like seventy. Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly upgrades/rental fees or whatever. Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up renting it. I switched over to GnuCash since I run dual Linux/Windows system. GnuCash will import existing Quicken files. It seems to be business orientated but handles my home needs just fine. Download and play with it, it's free. |
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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:51:11 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote: I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version. But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit. I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like seventy. Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly upgrades/rental fees or whatever. Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up renting it. See VanguardLH's reply and let me add the following: For the last several years each new version of Quicken has essentially no improvements over the previous year's; almost all the changes are nothing but cosmetic. So you can continue using an older version forever, unless you want to use Quicken for one of the following (taken from https://www.quicken.com/support/quic...ation-policy): Online bill pay Downloading financial data from your bank, credit union, credit card, brokerage, 401(k) or mutual fund accounts Downloading stock quotes, news headlines and other financial information into Quicken Uploading portfolio information from Quicken to Quicken.com Live Support Software patches and updates If you want to use it for one or more of those things, you need to upgrade at least every three years. I use it for the first three of those things, so I typically upgrade it every other year or so. |
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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
On 20/03/2017 00:51, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version. But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit. I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like seventy. Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly upgrades/rental fees or whatever. Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up renting it. Why upgrade? I'm still running Quicken Deluxe 98 which came free on the cover disk of a computer magazine - and which pre-dates XP!, It works perfectly well on W7. Oh, I did get a free update to avoid any millennium bug problems (remember that?). Others have mentioned GnuCash which is totally free and runs on multiple platforms. I had already started to have a serious look at that because I'm helping a Mac-using friend to set up some accounts. In many ways it looks similar to Quicken, but approaches some things - such as 'Categories' - differently, so I need to get my head round that, but it's looking very promising. Well worth considering as an alternative to Quicken if you're worried about annual licence fees. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:08:43 -0000 (UTC), dave wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:51:11 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote: I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version. But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit. I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like seventy. Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly upgrades/rental fees or whatever. Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up renting it. I switched over to GnuCash since I run dual Linux/Windows system. GnuCash will import existing Quicken files. It seems to be business orientated but handles my home needs just fine. Download and play with it, it's free. Just been trying MoneyPlus, but haven't yet got to grips with it. Blocked it from getting out to the 'net, same as I did with Qicken. I'm currently using Q 2004 wot I got FOC. OK, it insists on being in dollars and I can't change tat, but it doesn't really matter. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
Wolf K wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: Intuit no longer owns Quicken. Around 2011 or 2012, Quicken announced it would require a yearly fee for "upgrades". The treasurer of our club stopped using Quicken. But does that disable the existing old version of Quicken? You don't need upgrades if the product is working. However, part of Quicken is their online services and that's probably where the "subscription" part comes in; that is, you don't get to indefinitely continue using their online resources. I'd have to review Quicken to find out just what constitutes their online services and whether I'd even want those. |
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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:55:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
PeteCresswell wrote: I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version. Does the XP version not install on Win7? If it installs, does it fail to load or function properly on Win7? If the XP version installs and runs okay on Win7 then why bother to move to a new version? What in the new version must you have? Well said. "Latest and greatest" may not be an oxymoron, but there are plenty of cases where latest is not greatest. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
On 03/21/2017 08:04 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
[snip] Well said. "Latest and greatest" may not be an oxymoron, but there are plenty of cases where latest is not greatest. Very true. Currently I find Windows 10 to be a good example. |
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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
On 22/03/2017 14:26, Sam E wrote:
On 03/21/2017 08:04 PM, Stan Brown wrote: [snip] Well said. "Latest and greatest" may not be an oxymoron, but there are plenty of cases where latest is not greatest. Very true. Currently I find Windows 10 to be a good example. Indeed. When you see "New, improved" on - for example - a packet of breakfast cereal, you know they've found a cheaper way of making it, and it won't be as good as the previous packet! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:04:33 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:55:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: PeteCresswell wrote: I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version. Does the XP version not install on Win7? If it installs, does it fail to load or function properly on Win7? If the XP version installs and runs okay on Win7 then why bother to move to a new version? What in the new version must you have? Well said. "Latest and greatest" may not be an oxymoron, but there are plenty of cases where latest is not greatest. Windows 10 is the New Coke of operating systems. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?
On 03/23/2017 03:49 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
[snip] Windows 10 is the New Coke of operating systems. I have heard that "New Coke" was made bad on purpose, so people wouldn't notice that "Coke Classic" is actually not as good as the original. Maybe that'll be true with Windows (Windows 11 MIGHT be good, but probably not). -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "WARNING: Giving up religion now greatly increases humanity's chances for survival." |
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