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Win 7 HomePremium 64 bit
After updating skype it said your computer needs to be rebooted to finish installing windows updates Puzzled, since the Win 10 fiasco I have windows updates firmly switched off. So long ago that I cant recall how. How do I find out what update it is talking about? Can I stop it? If I do is that the end of skype as I know it? Cheers JJ |
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John Jones wrote:
Win 7 HomePremium 64 bit After updating skype it said your computer needs to be rebooted to finish installing windows updates Puzzled, since the Win 10 fiasco I have windows updates firmly switched off. So long ago that I cant recall how. How do I find out what update it is talking about? Can I stop it? If I do is that the end of skype as I know it? Cheers JJ Program installers can chain-load dependencies. As an example, If you install an advanced version of Internet Explorer, it uses hardware acceleration. You download a (so-called) standalone installer, yet it still needs to be connected to the Internet. It may want to download a DirectX update which gives it access to hardware acceleration. On an unpatched system, an installation of Internet Explorer could download 500MB of stuff (and I have no logs of what-all would be included). Now, why would Skype be any different ? I'm sure there's some excuse for additional collateral materials. Even third-party tools can do this, but they tend to be more public about what they're doing. For example, an ATI video driver, may note the fact it needs .NET for the control panel. And install it. Some other programs need Visual Studio DLLs (both 32 bit and 64 bit, even though the package itself might only use one of those). The worst part of the Microsoft practice, is adding such content "silently". Hiding it. They should be public, even have a log file, telling you exactly what was added. Now, on top of that, if you *uninstall* a program, I know of no reason for the collateral materials to be removed. And you could well be stuck applying security patches to the cruft, forever after. The collaterial materials are "gifts that keep on giving". ******* How could you stop the silent additions ? Well, if you defeat a number of subsystems, you'll stop them, but you'll also prevent msiexec from running and allowing programs to install. It may not be possible to surgically defend the system against "joy riders" in a package. Paul |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:29:59 -0400, "Paul" wrote
in article ... John Jones wrote: Win 7 HomePremium 64 bit After updating skype it said your computer needs to be rebooted to finish installing windows updates Puzzled, since the Win 10 fiasco I have windows updates firmly switched off. So long ago that I cant recall how. How do I find out what update it is talking about? Can I stop it? If I do is that the end of skype as I know it? Cheers JJ Program installers can chain-load dependencies. As an example, If you install an advanced version of Internet Explorer, it uses hardware acceleration. You download a (so-called) standalone installer, yet it still needs to be connected to the Internet. It may want to download a DirectX update which gives it access to hardware acceleration. On an unpatched system, an installation of Internet Explorer could download 500MB of stuff (and I have no logs of what-all would be included). Now, why would Skype be any different ? I'm sure there's some excuse for additional collateral materials. Even third-party tools can do this, but they tend to be more public about what they're doing. For example, an ATI video driver, may note the fact it needs .NET for the control panel. And install it. Some other programs need Visual Studio DLLs (both 32 bit and 64 bit, even though the package itself might only use one of those). The worst part of the Microsoft practice, is adding such content "silently". Hiding it. They should be public, even have a log file, telling you exactly what was added. Now, on top of that, if you *uninstall* a program, I know of no reason for the collateral materials to be removed. And you could well be stuck applying security patches OK thanks Paul After some digging it seems to be KB2999226 which was last installed two years ago. Something to do with Windows 10 Universal CRT running on previous o/s. Guess Skype is now aimed at win 10. It is now set "pending" and there doesnt seem to be any facility for removal/hiding/ telling it to *-off etc. Hope it's not too problematic. But this looks like the thin end of a long wedge on the road to windows 10 dom. Cheers JJ |
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John Jones wrote:
Win 7 HomePremium 64 bit After updating skype it said your computer needs to be rebooted to finish installing windows updates Puzzled, since the Win 10 fiasco I have windows updates firmly switched off. So long ago that I cant recall how. Do you have the BITS (Background Intelligent Transfer Service) and WU (Windows Updates) services disabled? Go into services.msc to check. Simply configuring the WU client to "notify only" or not download will not prevent updates. Users have discovered for a long time that they still get updates with the WU client configured off, usually detecting the update when they try to shutdown and see the message about the updating. How do I find out what update it is talking about? - Go to Control Panel - Programs and Features. - Click on View Installed Updates (left pane). Wait for the list to populate. Takes awhile. Watch green progress bar in address bar. - Scroll to the right to see the Installed On column. - Make sure to use the Details view. Alas this also groups the updates by publisher. - Look for the one with the recent datestamp, or one with a date for whenever you updated Skype (since you did not say it was today). Can I stop it? The update(s) has(have) already been applied. Too late. You can right-click on an update to uninstall it *if* it is uninstallable (not all of them are; i.e., once applied, they are permanent). However, if the update requires a reboot to get its fileset in sync (to replace inuse or locked files), then an uninstall of the update may not be successful because it is in an interim state. You will have to shutdown, reboot, and then decide whether or not to uninstall the update(s). If I do is that the end of skype as I know it? Security fixes do not stop the operation of the program. It was running before. It still runs but perhaps (not guaranteed) more securely. Bug fixes do not stop the old version of a program from running (but the bug fix may stop the new version or cause unwanted behavior: new code = new bugs). Was Skype inoperable before you updated it? Have you tried using Skype after applying the update (it already said it got applied)? Once you determine the mysterious update, and if you decide to uninstall the update (if it can be uninstalled), check if Skype still works. |
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In message , Wolf K
writes: [] In addition: Skype is now Windows product. Microsoft, I think you mean, though there's little difference in practice. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf A good pun is its own reword. |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:36:16 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Wolf K writes: [] In addition: Skype is now Windows product. Microsoft, I think you mean, though there's little difference in practice. Except for phone calls you get from scammers. If they tell you they are from Windows, you know that they are scammers. |
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Ken Blake wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: Wolf K writes: In addition: Skype is now Windows product. Microsoft, I think you mean, though there's little difference in practice. Except for phone calls you get from scammers. If they tell you they are from Windows, you know that they are scammers. If they tell you they are from Microsoft, you know they are scammers. |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:35:52 -0500, "VanguardLH" wrote in
article ... John Jones wrote: Win 7 HomePremium 64 bit After updating skype it said your computer needs to be rebooted to finish installing windows updates Puzzled, since the Win 10 fiasco I have windows updates firmly switched off. So long ago that I cant recall how. Do you have the BITS (Background Intelligent Transfer Service) and WU (Windows Updates) services disabled? Go into services.msc to check. Simply configuring the WU client to "notify only" or not download will not prevent updates. Users have discovered for a long time that they still get updates with the WU client configured off, usually detecting the update when they try to shutdown and see the message about the updating. How do I find out what update it is talking about? - Go to Control Panel - Programs and Features. - Click on View Installed Updates (left pane). Wait for the list to populate. Takes awhile. Watch green progress bar in address bar. - Scroll to the right to see the Installed On column. - Make sure to use the Details view. Alas this also groups the updates by publisher. - Look for the one with the recent datestamp, or one with a date for whenever you updated Skype (since you did not say it was today). Can I stop it? The update(s) has(have) already been applied. Too late. You can right-click on an update to uninstall it *if* it is uninstallable (not all of them are; i.e., once applied, they are permanent). However, if the update requires a reboot to get its fileset in sync (to replace inuse or locked files), then an uninstall of the update may not be successful because it is in an interim state. You will have to shutdown, reboot, and then decide whether or not to uninstall the update(s). If I do is that the end of skype as I know it? Security fixes do not stop the operation of the program. It was running before. It still runs but perhaps (not guaranteed) more securely. Bug fixes do not stop the old version of a program from running (but the bug fix may stop the new version or cause unwanted behavior: new code = new bugs). Thank you for this comprehensive response. Overnight, windows re-booted my pc (does p stand for personal or proprietory to MS?) and completed the installation of KB2999226. It is in fact uninstallable, but seems not to cause problems, as far as I can see so far. I will continue to review the situation (twang). Cheers JJ |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:12:44 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Blake wrote: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: Wolf K writes: In addition: Skype is now Windows product. Microsoft, I think you mean, though there's little difference in practice. Except for phone calls you get from scammers. If they tell you they are from Windows, you know that they are scammers. If they tell you they are from Microsoft, you know they are scammers. Yes, true. |
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John Jones wrote:
Overnight, windows re-booted my pc (does p stand for personal or proprietory to MS?) Don't know where is this "p" you are asking about. You didn't say where it appears. and completed the installation of KB2999226. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ime-in-windows That's a runtime (a library of files to support function calls from programs to perform functions for them). The CRT (C RunTime) in Windows 10 was made available to earlier versions of Windows so program authors could write code for their Windows 10 app but have them also supported in previous versions of Windows. In Microsoft's arrogance, they added the term "Universal" to call it their Universal C RunTime. C, VB, and other runtimes have been supplied in Windows for a along time. That is so programmers don't have to start from scratch building their own functions, many of them to interoperate with the operating system, resulting in a mashup of everyone doing it differently. It's the same reason DirectX is included in Windows so graphics authors don't have to develop new code for the same functions for their video games. Unless an author goes rogue or uses assembly, they are using a runtime in their program whether it be from Microsoft or someone else's library of functions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univer..._Platform_apps It is in fact uninstallable, but seems not to cause problems, as far as I can see so far. I will continue to review the situation (twang). It was an update. That means you already had the Universal C RunTime installed in your computer and this was an update to that already existing installation. It is not an update to Skype. Don't know why you thought so. Maybe you got offered an update to Skype and for UCRT. |
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