Save your old freeware Epic privacy browser Windows installer as the new ones changed how they did VPN

Save your old freeware Epic privacy browser Windows installer as the new
ones (apparently) changed how they did VPN (actually an all-tab proxy).

I was installing Epic on a friend's computer yesterday when I ran into the
problem that there was no setting for VPN anymore. After a search, I found
out they changed it to an extension from the "epic store", where this is a
blurb that Epic eventually popped up after a bunch of searches.

The moral is to always save your installers because you might not be able
to get them back, as the old Epic (with integral VPN) seems to still work.

(Everything is verbatim below.)
==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ====
Please note to provide more flexibility some key Epic Functionality such as
our built-in VPN / encrypted proxy and AdBlock are user-controlled now and
should be added via the Epic Extension store.
https://epicbrowser.com/webstore2/webstore/

True, free private search on a large scale is impossible to offer at
present. We have tried for years now to obtain another private search
partnership since Google annulled ours, but it simply isn¢t possible. It¢s
cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars (even with the donations from
thousands of you) over the past few years to keep Epic going. The expense
is so great at our scale we couldn¢t afford to launch our mobile browsers
even though they've been ready and are fantastic. Epic protects hundreds of
thousands of people around the world everyday. Our encrypted proxy/VPN is
powered by hundreds of servers in eight different countries. To keep Epic
an ongoing project, we had to become sustainable via our search options.
Epic will now have two search options: free search by Yahoo & paid private
search via EpicSearch.in.

When you use the default Yahoo-powered search in Epic, you¢ll get better
search results and support our mission including more frequent releases and
hundreds more servers for our encrypted proxy/VPN. All searches sent to
Yahoo are encrypted for your privacy and security. According to their
requirements, Yahoo search does bypass both our proxy and adblock. Upon ad
click in Yahoo search, the proxy and adblock remain disabled for several
seconds. Their goal is to insure the integrity of their search ad
marketplace. Due to their policies, a few other Yahoo sites including
Techcrunch, Engadget, Autoblog, HuffPo and AOL bypass our adblock. No other
sites bypass our adblock or proxy so Epic works almost entirely as it
always has except in respect to the Yahoo sites.

We believe it is impossible at present to offer honest, free private
search. We¡ve received many requests to support so-called private search
engines such as Startpage, DuckDuckGo and others. To our knowledge there
are no exceptions to Google/Bing mandates to share a user¢s IP address and
or location both to retrieve search ads and upon search ad click. It is
misleading to claim to be private if you¢re sharing your users¢ data with
Google/Bing. Despite multiple requests, they refuse to explain to us how
they work.

EpicSearch sends only your search query to a third-party to retrieve search
results, never any IP or other personal information. It continues to be the
only reasonably true, private, search engine in the world. To sustain it
and keep it ad-free, we will soon charge a nominal $2 a month fee. All Epic
users can use built-in Yahoo search for free.

Thank you for your support of Epic. You¢ve kept us going as well as helped
change the entire tech industry focus. When Epic launched over five years
ago, the vast majority of people in technology laughed at us saying nobody
cares about privacy. Today, no one is laughing. Companies like Apple have
launched massive hundred million dollar ad campaigns around privacy (more
marketing than truth in the case of the iPhone -- this changes with the
upcoming Epic for iOS launch :-). We¢re thrilled to now be on a sustainable
path to soon serve millions of users everyday. Privacy is serious and it
matters. This is Epic!

As you know (even moreso with this message), we are proud of our mission
and committed to transparency about how Epic works. My email address has
always been public in that respect, one of the few among technology company
founders. Epic is not just my browser. Epic is your browser. It's our
browser. Please share your thoughts and questions with me directly as
always, alok at hiddenreflex dot com.
--

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:42:55 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

Please note to provide more flexibility some key Epic Functionality such as
our built-in VPN / encrypted proxy and AdBlock are user-controlled now and
should be added via the Epic Extension store.

Just to be clear, this message popped up in the new Epic browser after a
few minutes of use (and attempting, in vain, to find the old VPN settings).

I almost always provide a link to the source, but I don't have it; so the
skeptics who brazenly deny facts just because it makes _them_ feel good
will do so ad infinitum (without ever providing any facts, in return).

Yet, I'm pretty sure this message is reliable, and reproducible, although
I'm not about to install the new Epic on my computer since the old one
still works with both the free privacy search engine & free integrated VPN.
--
If you don't believe the Epic pronouncement - take it with a grain of salt.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:01:35 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

Just to be clear, this message popped up in the new Epic browser after a
few minutes of use (and attempting, in vain, to find the old VPN settings).

UPDATE:

This change of the Epic Privacy Browser may have happened at least two
weeks ago, according to this unanswered query on SuperUser forum:
o *How to turn on VPN in Epic Browser*
https://superuser.com/questions/1521971/how-to-turn-on-vpn-in-epic-browser

Which I reproduce, verbatim, below, where my recent experience at my
friend's house was exactly as described by this user two weeks ago:

=== === ==== ==== ==== ==== === === === ==== ==== ===
I just upgraded Epic browser to Version 79.0.3946.130 (Official Build)
(64-bit)

The VPN connection icon is gone.

I would expect to see an icon that looks like an extension cord plugging
together to the right of the address bar.

I have search settings and googled for about a 1/2 hour trying to find the
answer.

The epic official forum is not allowing new users to register so I am
posting here.
=== === ==== ==== ==== ==== === === === ==== ==== ===

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:28:46 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
We believe it is impossible at present to offer honest, free private
search.

Here's a screenshot we had sent to my email when it happened away from my
home, where the two key reputed changes appear to be:
https://i.postimg.cc/ncC0bPtM/epic.jpg

a. It's apparently impossible to offer honest free private search, and,
b. The free VPN in Epic apparently moved to a separate extension.

This was news to me as I have been using Epic for years it seems, where I
simply ask others who know more about these two issues to flesh them out so
that the freeware we download in the future does contain "honest free
private search" capabilities with free proxy based privacy.
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When Usenet works, adults team up to combine useful nuggets of added value.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:42:55 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

Just to be clear, this message popped up in the new Epic browser after a
few minutes of use (and attempting, in vain, to find the old VPN settings).

UPDATE:
I think I figured out _where_ that detailed message was coming from!
o 80.0.3987.87 (Official Build) (32-bit)
o chrome-extension://dfgnlhhjbdpobojgcbpnofdbidljflhb/newtab.html

Here are the short versions of the strange results from Epic installations:
o https://i.postimg.cc/P5yFV3P6/capture1.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/W3FW3sSK/capture2.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/qBKDHMN6/capture3.jpg

The message is literally part of the code!
o But the message goes away the moment you've read it even once!
(It comes back reliably, if you uninstall & re-install though.)

In summary, the _changes_ to the Epic Privacy Browser appear to be:
a. The free VPN & free AdBlock moved from native to an extension, and,
b. The free privacy-based search seems to exist no more.

TESTS:
Not wanting to destroy my current Epic free VPN + free privacy-based
search, I found today a victim computer to more completely test where the
message is coming in the screenshot that I previously pasted a while ago.

Notice I couldn't find the message on the Internet!
o The rather detailed message appears to _only_ be inside the browser code!
(and it only shows up once!)

Here is how to reliably reproduce the message & problem set on Windows:
1. Wipe out Epic (if it's already installed).
2. Download the stub and install Epic (my tests were on Windows 10).
3. You will get the message no matter _what_ you do.
chrome-extension://dfgnlhhjbdpobojgcbpnofdbidljflhb/newtab.html

But once you "close" the message, you will never see it again.
o You have to uninstall and re-install to see the message again.

Below are a series of sequential screenshots to further flesh this out:
o https://i.postimg.cc/SxgDfnv3/epic01.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/FF0pnW6j/epic02.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/fRyxZB8q/epic03.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/6QGn4TJd/epic04.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/QtQ7SPMC/epic05.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/KjQMhMBy/epic06.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/vHqVP5Gr/epic07.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/pL3nvxhy/epic09.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/nL8M5kgD/epic10.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/Kzfz1yzP/epic11.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/Fs7RH8QS/epic12.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/bwnwQnrN/epic13.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/MT6Z2rDv/epic14.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/90zWzRs2/epic15.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/02MksSpd/epic16.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/T3nTyXNK/epic17.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/LX8S0g9P/epic18.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/XJ1WMNqz/epic19.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/J09WnTb3/epic20.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/v8jy3mp1/epic21.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/wTmpPppw/epic22.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/SsR0G0d7/epic23.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/wMRSShS1/epic24.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/2jqyzgYZ/epic25.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/pLBXGHfg/epic26.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/Xv7NtzxX/epic27.jpg
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:28:46 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

Save your old freeware Epic privacy browser Windows installer as the new
ones (apparently) changed how they did VPN (actually an all-tab proxy).

UPDATE:

1. If you need to _save_ your old browser installation, here are the
instructions to obtain the _full_ _offline_ network installer!
o *What's the best way to MOVE an app to where it belongs*, after it has already been installed?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/hqKijRgHOC0/vB3pH-sZAgAJ

o *Save your old freeware Epic privacy browser Windows installer* as the new ones changed how they did VPN
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/hgkA9M55ofU/Y3yPUyrYAAAJ

o Tutorial: *How to install the free Brave privacy-based tor-enabled web browser* where YOU want it to install (and how to save a full offline installer in the process)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/trm_i2aooeE/4yqA72AvBgAJ

2. What's changed in the _new_ Epic (still works in the old, I think):
a. No longer free native private search
b. Native VPN moved to an extension
c. Native AdBlock moved to an extension

If you already have Epic installed, you may be able to save the old
installer like I explained in that step-by-step tutorial above, where all
freeware junkies save all their installers.

I save mine into:
c:\installers\{same hierarchy as my app directory}\.

For example:
c:\installers\{editors, archivers, browsers, cleaners, databases, editors, etc.}
c:\apps\{editors, archivers, browsers, cleaners, databases, editors, etc.}
c:\menu\{editors, archivers, browsers, cleaners, databases, editors, etc.}
etc.

Note: I don't use plurals because then I always know what the name is; but
I used plurals above because most of you do mix plurality in folder names.
o *Tutorial for setting up a well-organized consistent efficient Windows menu system*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/eWU-jOkFRtU/lkVU8yolBQAJ

Note: The menu above is the classic WinXP accordion menu which _always_ was
on Windows 10 native even though most people don't seem to realize that
fact (just pin it to the taskbar where the EXACT copy of the WinXP cascade
menu works fine!).
o *Philosophy on a tutorial for setting up Windows* in a well organized KISS philosophy such that search is never needed & reinstall is trivial
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/1Gf59YRkaI8/5MfQi5wMCQAJ
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In article
Arlen Holder wrote:

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:42:55 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

Just to be clear, this message popped up in the new Epic browser after a
few minutes of use (and attempting, in vain, to find the old VPN settings).

UPDATE:
I think I figured out _where_ that detailed message was coming from!
o 80.0.3987.87 (Official Build) (32-bit)
o chrome-extension://dfgnlhhjbdpobojgcbpnofdbidljflhb/newtab.html

Here are the short versions of the strange results from Epic installations:
o https://i.postimg.cc/P5yFV3P6/capture1.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/W3FW3sSK/capture2.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/qBKDHMN6/capture3.jpg

The message is literally part of the code!
o But the message goes away the moment you've read it even once!
(It comes back reliably, if you uninstall & re-install though.)

In summary, the _changes_ to the Epic Privacy Browser appear to be:
a. The free VPN & free AdBlock moved from native to an extension, and,
b. The free privacy-based search seems to exist no more.

Epic has never lived up to expectations as far as I am concerned, neither
have it's VPN/Proxy/Whatever.

--
Ambrose

On 19/02/2020 10:13, Ambrose wrote:


Epic has never lived up to expectations as far as I am concerned, neither
have it's VPN/Proxy/Whatever.


That's an unqualified statement of Biblical proportions. Would you care
to justify your statement with reasoned points?

I have found Epic's VPN most useful when accessing 'US Only' sites e.g.
Comedy Central.com etc. It also works well for UK based sites (e.g. BBC).

Without knowing where you are coming from, or what your justifications
are your 'expectations' are irrelevant.

On 15/02/2020 08:28, Arlen Holder wrote:
Save your old freeware Epic privacy browser Windows installer as the new
ones (apparently) changed how they did VPN (actually an all-tab proxy).

I was installing Epic on a friend's computer yesterday when I ran into the
problem that there was no setting for VPN anymore. After a search, I found
out they changed it to an extension from the "epic store", where this is a
blurb that Epic eventually popped up after a bunch of searches.

The moral is to always save your installers because you might not be able
to get them back, as the old Epic (with integral VPN) seems to still work.

(Everything is verbatim below.)
==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ====
Please note to provide more flexibility some key Epic Functionality such as
our built-in VPN / encrypted proxy and AdBlock are user-controlled now and
should be added via the Epic Extension store.
https://epicbrowser.com/webstore2/webstore/

True, free private search on a large scale is impossible to offer at
present. We have tried for years now to obtain another private search
partnership since Google annulled ours, but it simply isn�t possible. It�s
cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars (even with the donations from
thousands of you) over the past few years to keep Epic going. The expense
is so great at our scale we couldn�t afford to launch our mobile browsers
even though they've been ready and are fantastic. Epic protects hundreds of
thousands of people around the world everyday. Our encrypted proxy/VPN is
powered by hundreds of servers in eight different countries. To keep Epic
an ongoing project, we had to become sustainable via our search options.
Epic will now have two search options: free search by Yahoo & paid private
search via EpicSearch.in.

When you use the default Yahoo-powered search in Epic, you�ll get better
search results and support our mission including more frequent releases and
hundreds more servers for our encrypted proxy/VPN. All searches sent to
Yahoo are encrypted for your privacy and security. According to their
requirements, Yahoo search does bypass both our proxy and adblock. Upon ad
click in Yahoo search, the proxy and adblock remain disabled for several
seconds. Their goal is to insure the integrity of their search ad
marketplace. Due to their policies, a few other Yahoo sites including
Techcrunch, Engadget, Autoblog, HuffPo and AOL bypass our adblock. No other
sites bypass our adblock or proxy so Epic works almost entirely as it
always has except in respect to the Yahoo sites.

We believe it is impossible at present to offer honest, free private
search. We�ve received many requests to support so-called private search
engines such as Startpage, DuckDuckGo and others. To our knowledge there
are no exceptions to Google/Bing mandates to share a user�s IP address and
or location both to retrieve search ads and upon search ad click. It is
misleading to claim to be private if you�re sharing your users� data with
Google/Bing. Despite multiple requests, they refuse to explain to us how
they work.

EpicSearch sends only your search query to a third-party to retrieve search
results, never any IP or other personal information. It continues to be the
only reasonably true, private, search engine in the world. To sustain it
and keep it ad-free, we will soon charge a nominal $2 a month fee. All Epic
users can use built-in Yahoo search for free.

Thank you for your support of Epic. You�ve kept us going as well as helped
change the entire tech industry focus. When Epic launched over five years
ago, the vast majority of people in technology laughed at us saying nobody
cares about privacy. Today, no one is laughing. Companies like Apple have
launched massive hundred million dollar ad campaigns around privacy (more
marketing than truth in the case of the iPhone -- this changes with the
upcoming Epic for iOS launch :-). We�re thrilled to now be on a sustainable
path to soon serve millions of users everyday. Privacy is serious and it
matters. This is Epic!

As you know (even moreso with this message), we are proud of our mission
and committed to transparency about how Epic works. My email address has
always been public in that respect, one of the few among technology company
founders. Epic is not just my browser. Epic is your browser. It's our
browser. Please share your thoughts and questions with me directly as
always, alok at hiddenreflex dot com.


Arlen, nowhere in your (several) posts do you mention a version number.
I have Epic Version 62.0.3202.94, and I am not clear if your 'new
versions' (first line of your post) is referring to before or after the
last version I installed.

I hope that your monologue is not a sign of some deeper issue. I
certainly not seen the message you refer to.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

[followup set to alt.comp.os.windows-10]

Jenny Telia wrote:
[...]
I hope that your monologue is not a sign of some deeper issue. I
certainly not seen the message you refer to.

The "deeper issue" is that he basically screeches to the void until
someone who is actually knowledgeable in a subject points out all his
errors; at which point he will likely change tactic to sucking up to
them whilst they continue to provide decent information.

Assuming, of course, that the people correcting him are doing so in such
a manner that plays into the narrative that he and they are collectively
working to "enhance the usenet potluck" (or whatever this month's turn
of phrase is).

You will likely do well to simply killfile him. (Cue incoming rant to
the effect of "Dan Purgert is only here for conversation; isn't that
right Dan Purgert?" ... and if you're really lucky, the list of
enemies.)


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On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:41:46 +0100, Jenny Telia wrote:

I certainly not seen the message you refer to.

Hi Jenny Telia,

That's what Usenet is for... to communicate things that you're unaware of.

Thanks for your post that you don't see the message.
o The facts are clear that it's there as a "view source" easily proves:
https://i.postimg.cc/Kzfz1yzP/epic11.jpg

The whole point of this thread is to _inform_ adults on this ng of that
message, which even if you have not seen it before, it's clearly there.
https://i.postimg.cc/v8jy3mp1/epic21.jpg

Bear in mind that, over the decades while posting on Usenet, my credibility
on facts has always approached 100%, unlike many Usenet posters (e.g., the
child-like Dan Purgert, for one), so you should take it as a fact, even as
you may not have had time to "view source" yet.
https://i.postimg.cc/pL3nvxhy/epic09.jpg

The message is embedded into the code for Epic, as far as I can tell.
o So it's really there, even if you haven't seen it.
https://i.postimg.cc/nL8M5kgD/epic10.jpg

What you may have missed is the message goes away after the first time
o The message only comes back if/when you re-install the product.
https://i.postimg.cc/fRyxZB8q/epic03.jpg

Today I'll go back to the library to find another victim computer where
I'll try to cut and paste the exact code so that you can see the message in
the code, but you can see it in the screenshots of "view source".
https://i.postimg.cc/6QGn4TJd/epic04.jpg

You may not _like_ this message ... you may not even _see_ this message...
o But the facts are clear that it's there.
https://i.postimg.cc/SsR0G0d7/epic23.jpg
--
Two types of people are on Usenet: those who add value; & those who can't.
(Dan Purgert is one of those child-like posters who can never add value.)

On 19/02/2020 13:02, Dan Purgert wrote:

(Cue incoming rant to
the effect of "Dan Purgert is only here for conversation; isn't that
right Dan Purgert?" ... and if you're really lucky, the list of
enemies.)


Well, my hat off to you, sir. You told me so.

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 11:04:17 +0100, Jenny Telia wrote:

Well, my hat off to you, sir. You told me so.

Is this "Jenny Taila" guy just another worthless Pooh/Shadow sock?
o Jenny Telia

*The items of adult technical detailed value I provided were*:
1. Epic changed greatly in their changes to the free privacy search
2. Epic changed how they provide free all-tabs VPN
3. Epic changed how they provide free ad blocking
4. I provided detailed technical value with screenshots & reproduction
(including a score of detailed pertinent screenshots)
5. Particularly how to reproduce a message that only shows once.

All this is new information of adult on-topic technical value (IMHO).

*The items of adult technical detailed value Dan & "Jenny" provided were*:
*0. zero*

Adults will allow me to ask this Jenny Telia sock this adult on-topic
technical question of what he got when he pasted this technical URL into
his current Epic Privacy Browser installation.
*view-source:chrome-extension://dfgnlhhjbdpobojgcbpnofdbidljflhb/newtab.html*

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Two types of people are on Usenet: those who add value & those who can't.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:41:46 +0100, Jenny Telia wrote:

I hope that your monologue is not a sign of some deeper issue. I
certainly not seen the message you refer to.

Whose sock is this "Jenny Telia"?
o Jenny Telia (sock of pooh, shadow or dan purgert)

The fact is that a search of this "Jenny Telia" socks finds exactly _zero_
posts that are _not_ off-topic child-like worthless drivel in the
associated newsgroups!

Adults will note this "Jenny Telia" sock precedes not only Dan Purgert
posts on the Internet when Dan Purgert attempts to play his ad hominem
always-off topic childish sock-response trolling game, as shown below as
just one of the examples, but more often Pooh/Shadow (on freeware groups):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/8hjHJzuLM3k/-5cLV78AAQAJ
"Interesting monologue. Are you feeling lonely, Holder?"

Notice this "Jenny Telia" is simply a troll sock of one of the other trolls
who infest this newsgroup, whether it's the Dan Purgert troll or not (as
"he" precedes "Shadow" and "Pooh" also, both of whom are child-like trolls:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/oxshZXDAseA/mYrXo7ElAwAJ
"Can I suggest you shove it up your arse and make the experience more real? "

The fact is that a search of this "Jenny Telia" socks finds exactly _zero_
posts that are _not_ off-topic child-like worthless drivel in the
associated newsgroups!

Notice this "Jenny Telia" sock is associated with Dan Purgert, "Shadow" or
"Pooh" (but most likely Shadow or Pooh, IMHO) based on the connection of
his posts to that of Shadow and Pooh (mostly on the freeware group).
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Two types of people are on Usenet: those who add value & those who can't.

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Jenny Telia wrote:
On 19/02/2020 13:02, Dan Purgert wrote:

(Cue incoming rant to
the effect of "Dan Purgert is only here for conversation; isn't that
right Dan Purgert?" ... and if you're really lucky, the list of
enemies.)


Well, my hat off to you, sir. You told me so.

I did?



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