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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if youneed 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
On 2/18/2020 3:55 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
snip To me, the advantage of a smart phone is that it's easy to carry, especially when traveling. I don't want to have to take a keyboard with me when I'm on on vacation. Taking along a Bluetooth folding keyboard and mini-mouse for a larger screen phone can often eliminate the need to take along a laptop. When you're in the hotel. Hook your phone to the TV with an HDMI cable if you need a larger screen. |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if youneed 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
On 20/02/2020 07.43, n/a wrote:
My comments were pointed at other uses (transportation, medical) rather than a typical users.Â* Not every person wants or needs a self driving car but here they are....;-) I know that in China they tested with a surgeon doing a remote procedure using 5G. But I wonder why use mobile technology instead of wired networking for such a critical thing as surgery. :-? -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says ifyou need 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 20/02/2020 07.43, n/a wrote: My comments were pointed at other uses (transportation, medical) rather than a typical users. Not every person wants or needs a self driving car but here they are....;-) I know that in China they tested with a surgeon doing a remote procedure using 5G. But I wonder why use mobile technology instead of wired networking for such a critical thing as surgery. :-? I don't want the surgeon doing that while he's driving :-) He should at least be stopped at a light, before he pulls out my gall bladder. Paul |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if you need 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 23:14:55 -0500, Paul wrote:
n/a wrote: ....and before someone doubts the ~10Gb/s rate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G "5G speeds will range from ~50Mbit/s to over 2 gigabit at the start, and is expected to grow to even 100Gbit/s, 100x faster than 4g.[12] The fastest 5g, known as mmWave, delivers speeds of up to and over 2Gbit/s. " https://www.telekom.com/en/company/d...al-time-544498 "Deutsche Telekom tested a 5G network live at this year’s IFA. A speed of three gigabits per second was measured. Under ideal conditions, the 5G speed should in future reach up to 10 Gbit/s, the equivalent of a 20-fold increase." Plenty of other articles available showing 5G networks going way above 10Gb/s speeds. Bob S Here's a graphic, showing memory usage on a smartphone. The first set are cached. The second set are running ones. They're all relatively small, compared to what 12GB of available RAM could offer to a user. https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content...-processes.png https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content...-processes.png ( https://www.howtogeek.com/166140/you...ps-on-android/.) ******* Did you know it was "un-possible" for industry evangelism to appear in a Wikipedia article ? :-) That never happens. Try not to inhale too much of that mmWave gas. Where will the money come from ? Follow the money. Does the math add up ? No. There's no reason for 5G to deploy any faster than any other G. The $200 per month subscriber fee is the limiting factor. I haven't seen any pricing estimates, but I'd expect to see one half to one quarter of that amount, and then falling from there. Remember that higher speeds benefit the carrier/ISP even more than they benefit the customer. There isn't enough bandwidth in the entire existing Internet in North America, to support the kinds of deployments they're talking about. Will the server at my public library, be able to download the text from the local newspaper at 10Gbit/sec ? Did the public library get some donated Gbit/sec equipment ? No ? That's a common misconception, but the days of 'one person using one connection to one server' are long gone and won't be coming back. Even if a person were a Luddite who tries to do a single task at a time, the computer's OS has no such limitations. That's especially true with Windows 10, one of the groups to which this was crossposted. A server I use, for Linux distro ISO files, downloads at 600KB/sec (that's slower than my broadband). It's going to download at 600KB/sec tomorrow as well. Linux distros are generally available all over the place. I'm not sure why a person with a fast(er) connection would choose to use a server with a slow(er) connection, or why a person would limit themselves to a single connection, and so on. It's fine to do all of that, but then you can't complain about the low speed. If the download speed is slow enough to qualify as an example, then it's probably slow enough to take obvious steps to improve the situation. I'm pretty lucky to have such a connection. The aggregate bandwidth that university site uses must cost them a fortune. How would a 5G universe tie into that ? A wee bit of a mismatch. How does Netflix today "meter out bandwidth" ? Are they overly generous with it ? Or, stingy as hell ? You decide. Then get back to me. That's easy. Netflix has no bandwidth of its own, so there is nothing for them to meter out and nothing for them to be stingy or generous with. Even on a subscription basis, there's no "generosity". There's got to be reasons for these observations. All sorts of people are independently making decisions like this. |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if you need 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
On 2/19/2020 2:42 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
snip I used to carry a 15" laptop, then a netbook, then a 9" tablet, now a smart phone. These days my motto is the smaller and lighter the better. For vacationing, when you don't have to work remotely, just a phone is fine. But for having to do work, a phone is really not sufficient. I bring my iPad with a keyboard, or a small 2 in 1 laptop. My next laptop will be a Dell 9510 2 in 1 with 5G. It's not out yet. At 3.2 pounds it's small and light enough for traveling. I expect that the 5G Core i7 model will be close to $3000. For my next phone it'll be the iPhone 12 Pro Max 5G mmWave or the Samsung S20 5G Ultra. I get a technology allowance and my 60,000+ "bosses" are well-served by me having the technology to be able to serve them properly. I have to give back whatever I buy with the technology allowance after I'm done with my position, or purchase it at whatever value it has left, which is generally not very much after four years. |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if youneed 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
On 2/20/2020 1:34 PM, sms wrote:
On 2/19/2020 2:42 PM, Ken Blake wrote: snip I used to carry a 15" laptop, then a netbook, then a 9" tablet, now a smart phone. These days my motto is the smaller and lighter the better. For vacationing, when you don't have to work remotely, just a phone is fine. Yes. Vacationing is what I'm talking about But for having to do work, a phone is really not sufficient. I Maybe. That depend on what work you have to do. When I traveled for work, I carried no computer of any type. -- Ken |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if you need 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
In article , Ken Blake
wrote: But for having to do work, a phone is really not sufficient. I Maybe. That depend on what work you have to do. When I traveled for work, I carried no computer of any type. how long ago was that? today, that's impossible. at a minimum, you'd need *something* to be able to check email. |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if you need 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:34:58 -0500, Paul wrote:
I don't want the surgeon doing that while he's driving :-) o Dentist who rode hoverboard during operation on trial, faces 43 charges https://www.today.com/news/dentist-trial-operating-patient-while-riding-hoverboard-t169431 They took away his license I believe, but for more than just extractign teeth while on a hoverboard... |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if you need 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
"Carlos E. R." wrote in message ...
On 20/02/2020 07.43, n/a wrote: My comments were pointed at other uses (transportation, medical) rather than a typical users. Not every person wants or needs a self driving car but here they are....;-) I know that in China they tested with a surgeon doing a remote procedure using 5G. But I wonder why use mobile technology instead of wired networking for such a critical thing as surgery. :-? Carlos, I don't know about the China experiment but having been in computers and telecommunications since I was 18 (now an old man...;-) and having spent 20 years in the USAF and 25 years on commercial systems as a Systems Engineer, I've seen a few things and been hands-on involved with a number projects and designs that involve remote control and monitoring. While stationed in Alaska at Kenai AFS, we had to quickly jury-rig several low-speed satellite channels and multiplex the aggregate so a surgeon in Texas at a USAF hospital, could perform remote analysis (not do a surgical procedure) of X-Rays taken by a doctor, at then a still active, DEW line site. Since our communications station was the main relay for everything PACAF, we got to see a lot of interesting traffic. I forget the exact numbers - to many years ago but if the doctor in Texas was able to discern the details of an X-Ray transmitted and repeated over two satellites and make a diagnosis, it does not surprise me at all what can be done over a 5G network today. I just found the link you probably saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=R3hDzwO3wSo It's surgery on an animal but still amazing and the following video is also interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InPzlUE5Qck and provides some insight as to what 5G can do over existing technology. In that video, AI is an important aspect. So yeah, we need all the memory and bandwidth we can get for those applications that can take advantage of it. It's not just hype - but real. -- Bob S. |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if you need 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
In article , sms
wrote: For my next phone it'll be the iPhone 12 Pro Max 5G mmWave there is no 'iphone 12 pro max 5g mmwave' and likely will never be one with a name that long. the name of the next iphone and its specs are not public. or the Samsung S20 5G Ultra. you have no choice, since the cheaper samsung s20 models won't work on your carrier. |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if you need 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
In response to what sms wrote :
On 4/18/2020 4:38 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: On 18 Apr 2020 at 04:57:59 BST, "sms" wrote: On 4/17/2020 5:16 PM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: snip I don't think you are correct. Anyone* who goes back two apps and finds it reloads might say "I wish this iPhone had more RAM". That person was unlikely to understand that the reason was the limited amount of RAM so they would not wish for more RAM. What is wrong with you mpmi people? I reinstate my asterisked footnote here for your reading pleasure. "*who knows about RAM, forced shutdown etc etc yes thankyou pedants." Cheers - Jaimie You misunderstand me. I agree that a user would definitely benefit from more RAM in order to have multiple apps open at once and when doing multi-tasking. But the typical user is not going to be aware that the reason that they are having issues is the small amount of RAM in their iPhone. They will complain about the issues but have no idea why they are occurring. The lowest priced ($399), smallest, currently available, Samsung Galaxy S series phone, the S10E has 6GB of RAM in the 128GB ROM version. A large amount of RAM is needed for proper multi-tasking on Android. I've seen a lot of recent articles trying to compare the new SE to various Android models, but they miss the point. The new SE is a mid-range phone while similarly priced Android phones are flagship phones. Hi Steve, FACTS: o Facts: *How does RAM memory management truly compare* *between Android & iOS devices* (the facts, not unsupported marketing claims) https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/cR7GdXT1Nxg/PmqqJnVVBAAJ *The 6GB S10e has an OVERWHELMING advantage over the 3GB iPhone 2020 SE.* o And that's _before_ the inevitable throttling in half of the iPhone SE. o *Apple iPhone SE (2020) vs Samsung Galaxy S10e* https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Apple-iPhone-SE-2020,Samsung-Galaxy-S10e/phones/10750,11114 That restates the obvious since most Apple owners only believe the Marketing bull**** where they're utterly _immune_ to simple basic facts. We covered this in detail already, where the _best_ that iOS can claim (under cherry picked circumstances we've discussed with nospam) is single-digit percentages of efficiency (and only in those cherry picked circumstances). The aforementioned Samsung S30e has triple-digit percentages more RAM over the iPhone 2020 SE. Nothing can compensate for that huge advantage in terms of what RAM does. o More RAM is better and lots more RAM is lots better (to a point). FACTS: We covered what that point is, but it's way more than 3GB RAM. o Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if you need 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop) https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/wdsIpkhNhMI/IJaHprj6BwAJ -- Bringing TRUTH to Usenet newsgroups through constant application of fact. |
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Does a smartphone really need 8GB of RAM (the author says if you need 8GB to 12GB of RAM, get a Windows laptop instead)
On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:24:33 -0500, nospam wrote:
or the Samsung S20 5G Ultra. you have no choice, since the cheaper samsung s20 models won't work on your carrier. Dateline today o Galaxy S21 (S30) will likely come with industry's fastest, largest-capacity 16GB LPDDR5 DRAM https://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-16GB-LPDDR5-DRAM-mass-production_id126864 |
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