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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 15:05:42 -0400, Pat
wrote: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 09:59:04 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:54:41 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: "Wade Garrett" wrote | If you buy one that prevents you from posting on usenet anymore, I bet a | number of the folks in the news groups you regularly pollute would | gladly help pay for it ;-) I'm guessing they won't have to. Micky seems to be more than happy to pay for an expensive gaming PC if that might make it easier for him to avoid paying attention to what he's doing. I want to get 16gigs ram and the possibility of adding more later, so does that mean I want a gaming computer? I'd like a fast cpu too, I think. I'm willing to spend 1000 if I have to. (I haven't bought a new computer since my PCJr.) But this one refurbished for only 420 or 442 seems pretty good. It was recommended here by Johnny who has one. https://www.newegg.com/hp-prodesk-60...scrollFullInfo But I thought I read here that HP was to be avoided. Anyone think that's true? TIA Like others, I have had good luck with HP. My cuurent PC is very similar to that one. I like i5's because they use less power (and therefore run cooler) than i7's and my computer is on 24/7. My worry is the word "refurbished". If it was returned because someone didn't know how to use it - no problem. If it was returned because it had a very obvious hard failure - no problem. But if it was returned because it had an intermittent problem - you are buying someone else's infuriating intermittent problem just to save few bucks. I did that once and spent a lot of time chasing down a bad part. Once fixed, it was fine, but I swore I would never buy another reburbished PC unless I could find out why it was returned. I see your points about refurbiished, and the one above isn't the only refurbished one I looked at. But the one above is rather interesting. It seems like it's pretty old**, that maybe the company that used it swapped a whole bunch out for something newer, but that is strange too. It's an i5 that runs at 3.2G.. would a new one be much faster? And it has 16Gig RAM (some sold elsewhere have 8gig and some 64gig (at least now.) Maybe they replaced one or two hdd's, one with the SSD and one with a bigger HDD So maybe it was working fine after several years of use when replaced by the corporate owners. **It has PS2 ports for the mouse and keyboard, and it has a serial port (a male 9-pin port.) Neither of those have been seen for years, right? |
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micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 15:05:42 -0400, Pat wrote: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 09:59:04 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:54:41 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: "Wade Garrett" wrote | If you buy one that prevents you from posting on usenet anymore, I bet a | number of the folks in the news groups you regularly pollute would | gladly help pay for it ;-) I'm guessing they won't have to. Micky seems to be more than happy to pay for an expensive gaming PC if that might make it easier for him to avoid paying attention to what he's doing. I want to get 16gigs ram and the possibility of adding more later, so does that mean I want a gaming computer? I'd like a fast cpu too, I think. I'm willing to spend 1000 if I have to. (I haven't bought a new computer since my PCJr.) But this one refurbished for only 420 or 442 seems pretty good. It was recommended here by Johnny who has one. https://www.newegg.com/hp-prodesk-60...scrollFullInfo But I thought I read here that HP was to be avoided. Anyone think that's true? TIA Like others, I have had good luck with HP. My cuurent PC is very similar to that one. I like i5's because they use less power (and therefore run cooler) than i7's and my computer is on 24/7. My worry is the word "refurbished". If it was returned because someone didn't know how to use it - no problem. If it was returned because it had a very obvious hard failure - no problem. But if it was returned because it had an intermittent problem - you are buying someone else's infuriating intermittent problem just to save few bucks. I did that once and spent a lot of time chasing down a bad part. Once fixed, it was fine, but I swore I would never buy another reburbished PC unless I could find out why it was returned. I see your points about refurbiished, and the one above isn't the only refurbished one I looked at. But the one above is rather interesting. It seems like it's pretty old**, that maybe the company that used it swapped a whole bunch out for something newer, but that is strange too. It's an i5 that runs at 3.2G.. would a new one be much faster? And it has 16Gig RAM (some sold elsewhere have 8gig and some 64gig (at least now.) Maybe they replaced one or two hdd's, one with the SSD and one with a bigger HDD So maybe it was working fine after several years of use when replaced by the corporate owners. **It has PS2 ports for the mouse and keyboard, and it has a serial port (a male 9-pin port.) Neither of those have been seen for years, right? It came out in 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_business_desktops |
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micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 15:05:42 -0400, Pat wrote: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 09:59:04 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:54:41 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: "Wade Garrett" wrote | If you buy one that prevents you from posting on usenet anymore, I bet a | number of the folks in the news groups you regularly pollute would | gladly help pay for it ;-) I'm guessing they won't have to. Micky seems to be more than happy to pay for an expensive gaming PC if that might make it easier for him to avoid paying attention to what he's doing. I want to get 16gigs ram and the possibility of adding more later, so does that mean I want a gaming computer? I'd like a fast cpu too, I think. I'm willing to spend 1000 if I have to. (I haven't bought a new computer since my PCJr.) But this one refurbished for only 420 or 442 seems pretty good. It was recommended here by Johnny who has one. https://www.newegg.com/hp-prodesk-60...scrollFullInfo But I thought I read here that HP was to be avoided. Anyone think that's true? TIA Like others, I have had good luck with HP. My cuurent PC is very similar to that one. I like i5's because they use less power (and therefore run cooler) than i7's and my computer is on 24/7. My worry is the word "refurbished". If it was returned because someone didn't know how to use it - no problem. If it was returned because it had a very obvious hard failure - no problem. But if it was returned because it had an intermittent problem - you are buying someone else's infuriating intermittent problem just to save few bucks. I did that once and spent a lot of time chasing down a bad part. Once fixed, it was fine, but I swore I would never buy another reburbished PC unless I could find out why it was returned. I see your points about refurbiished, and the one above isn't the only refurbished one I looked at. But the one above is rather interesting. It seems like it's pretty old**, that maybe the company that used it swapped a whole bunch out for something newer, but that is strange too. It's an i5 that runs at 3.2G.. would a new one be much faster? And it has 16Gig RAM (some sold elsewhere have 8gig and some 64gig (at least now.) Maybe they replaced one or two hdd's, one with the SSD and one with a bigger HDD So maybe it was working fine after several years of use when replaced by the corporate owners. **It has PS2 ports for the mouse and keyboard, and it has a serial port (a male 9-pin port.) Neither of those have been seen for years, right? A standard corporate lease cycle is three years. Those machines have to go somewhere. Machines may still have serial ports. My newest machine has a 2x5 pin header with the serial port on it. I had to make a cable so I could use it. The cable pokes out of an open slot hole in the back. I actually have two cables poking out the back. Serial port is one cable. There is also a USB2 bracket. Now, there are plenty of USB2 ports in the I/O plate area, but I plug my BLuetooth dongle into the cabled one, and it allows arranging the BT for "line of sight" with other devices. Intel has many whizzy announcements, but product availability is limited. They'd sooner use the fab to make a thousand dollar part for the server industry, than make a three hundred dollar part for your desktop. The first is a slightly older processor. The other two are fresh releases. 9600K $200 6 cores 9MB cache 3.7GHz full 4.6GHz Turbo (might be on one core) 14nm geom https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-4-60-ghz.html 10600K $295 6 cores 12MB cache 3.8Ghz full 4.8Ghz Turbo 14nm geometry https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-4-80-ghz.html 10700K $410 8 cores 16MB cache 3.8GHz full 5.1Ghz Turbo 14nm geometry https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-5-10-ghz.html That's to give you some idea what the mainstream is like. These are the kinds of chips with two channels, four slots, and 4*32GB as the max memory. Equipping with 2*8GB of "fast" memory would be a semi-standard thing to do. The 32GB modules might not be mainstream enough (adder on price). Paul |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 18:56:58 -0400, Paul
wrote: micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 15:05:42 -0400, Pat wrote: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 09:59:04 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:54:41 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: "Wade Garrett" wrote | If you buy one that prevents you from posting on usenet anymore, I bet a | number of the folks in the news groups you regularly pollute would | gladly help pay for it ;-) I'm guessing they won't have to. Micky seems to be more than happy to pay for an expensive gaming PC if that might make it easier for him to avoid paying attention to what he's doing. I want to get 16gigs ram and the possibility of adding more later, so does that mean I want a gaming computer? I'd like a fast cpu too, I think. I'm willing to spend 1000 if I have to. (I haven't bought a new computer since my PCJr.) But this one refurbished for only 420 or 442 seems pretty good. It was recommended here by Johnny who has one. https://www.newegg.com/hp-prodesk-60...scrollFullInfo But I thought I read here that HP was to be avoided. Anyone think that's true? TIA Like others, I have had good luck with HP. My cuurent PC is very similar to that one. I like i5's because they use less power (and therefore run cooler) than i7's and my computer is on 24/7. My worry is the word "refurbished". If it was returned because someone didn't know how to use it - no problem. If it was returned because it had a very obvious hard failure - no problem. But if it was returned because it had an intermittent problem - you are buying someone else's infuriating intermittent problem just to save few bucks. I did that once and spent a lot of time chasing down a bad part. Once fixed, it was fine, but I swore I would never buy another reburbished PC unless I could find out why it was returned. I see your points about refurbiished, and the one above isn't the only refurbished one I looked at. But the one above is rather interesting. It seems like it's pretty old**, that maybe the company that used it swapped a whole bunch out for something newer, but that is strange too. It's an i5 that runs at 3.2G.. would a new one be much faster? And it has 16Gig RAM (some sold elsewhere have 8gig and some 64gig (at least now.) Maybe they replaced one or two hdd's, one with the SSD and one with a bigger HDD So maybe it was working fine after several years of use when replaced by the corporate owners. **It has PS2 ports for the mouse and keyboard, and it has a serial port (a male 9-pin port.) Neither of those have been seen for years, right? A standard corporate lease cycle is three years. Those machines have to go somewhere. Machines may still have serial ports. My newest machine has a 2x5 pin header with the serial port on it. I had to make a cable so I could use it. The cable pokes out of an open slot hole in the back. I actually have two cables poking out the back. Serial port is one cable. There is also a USB2 bracket. Now, there are plenty of USB2 ports in the I/O plate area, but I plug my BLuetooth dongle into the cabled one, and it allows arranging the BT for "line of sight" with other devices. Intel has many whizzy announcements, but product availability is limited. They'd sooner use the fab to make a thousand dollar part for the server industry, than make a three hundred dollar part for your desktop. The first is a slightly older processor. The other two are fresh releases. 9600K $200 6 cores 9MB cache 3.7GHz full 4.6GHz Turbo (might be on one core) 14nm geom https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-4-60-ghz.html 10600K $295 6 cores 12MB cache 3.8Ghz full 4.8Ghz Turbo 14nm geometry https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-4-80-ghz.html 10700K $410 8 cores 16MB cache 3.8GHz full 5.1Ghz Turbo 14nm geometry https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-5-10-ghz.html That's to give you some idea what the mainstream is like. These are the kinds of chips with two channels, four slots, and 4*32GB as the max memory. Equipping with 2*8GB of "fast" memory would be a semi-standard thing to do. The 32GB modules might not be mainstream enough (adder on price). Paul Thank you both. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 10:13:34 -0500, Johnny
wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:04:21 -0400 Big Al wrote: On 6/19/20 8:53 AM, this is what Johnny wrote: I recommend this one: https://www.newegg.com/hp-prodesk-60...scrollFullInfo It just doesn't say what USB type they are. 2/3/3.1/3c ?? Nor is there a SD card reader. I have that same computer. All it says is the USB slots are 3.0. Four on the back and two on the front. There are also two USB 2.0 on the front, and two on the back. Isnt' the plastic part in the middle of USB3 blue, and USB2 black? Sometimes you can tell one from the other in the picture, in the advertisement. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:54:41 -0400,
"Mayayana" wrote: "Wade Garrett" wrote | If you buy one that prevents you from posting on usenet anymore, I bet a | number of the folks in the news groups you regularly pollute would | gladly help pay for it ;-) I'm guessing they won't have to. Micky seems to be more than happy to pay for an expensive gaming PC if that might make it easier for him to avoid paying attention to what he's doing. You bet. That's what money is for. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 08:19:36 -0500, Char
Jackson wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:44:47 -0400, micky wrote: Well, the computer has continued to crash, mostly with the same 4 problems. Other times, it's frozen. So I need a new one. I haven't had a new one since the PCJr. 1) This time I want 16 gigs of RAM, or do I want even more????? The reason for more than 8 gigs is that I tend to open way too many FF tabs and the computer slows and eventually FF stops. Won't more RAM make that take a lot longer to happen? On my last build, I went from 16GB, where I had the problem with Firefox that you're describing, to 64GB, where I haven't yet had that problem. So I would say yes, more RAM will help Firefox behave. Good to hear. It seemed likely that more RAM would help, but confirmation is very comforting. I've decided to get 16G in a computer than will hold 64G if need be, or at least 32G I'm not saying you need 64GB, of course. I only have that much because I need to run multiple VMs simultaneously. Understood. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 20 Jun 2020 08:09:36 -0400,
"Mayayana" wrote: "micky" wrote | If you precisely google a store, so that it comes up first, a box on the | right gives interesting info about the store, like average number of | people there any specific hour of the week, and the "actual" number | there this hour, if they're open then. (based on cell phones) | | For Microcenter it had two interesting lines: | | In-store shopping | In-store pickup | | Wait, aren't those the normal methods? Nothing changed for the virus. | Even though they have a detailed online catalog and really big shopping | carts so they could bring it out to you. | | Maybe I could negotiate it in advance. Or maybe somoene checked the | wrong boxes. Where I live they nearly closed for the virus. Few people allowed in, you had to know what you wanted, jumping through hoops to pay cash. I worry the virus will be used as an excuse to start refusing cash. Now it's more relaxed. No line when I was there. Though a man at the door wanted to spray my gloves with disinfectant. (I'm often wearing winter gloves into stores, that I keep in my truck. He was confused by the new variable in his protocol. I took off a glove so that he could complete his mission without a panic attack or blown circuit. LOL The prices are interesting, though. I recently bought some shirts and shorts at Kohls, after retail reopened. They were half off. But in Best Buy, Staples and Microcenter I didn't see any notable good deals. So there doesn't seem to be much in the way of "welcome back" sales. |
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On 21/06/2020 17.41, Mayayana wrote:
"Yousuf Khan" wrote | FF seems to use a container approach nowadays, that's one of the reasons | why all of the old FF add-ons no longer work, because they can't access | information between tabs anymore. Yes, but I suspect that hads to do with structure rather than processes. Similarly, when IE went to tabs, an extra step was added to access the document object of a specific tab. The parent window became an "MDI", multiple document interface. | The threads and processes are system | threads and processes, but those can be used for anything by FF, they | don't necessarily reflect the number of tabs/windows open. So the | containers seem to offer a level of isolation that goes beyond what the | OS offers through the threads, but probably not as much isolation as | what the OS offers through the processes. Threads share libraries and memory space. Processes are separate. So there's no stability advantage to multiple tabs that are not multiple processes. And it's hard to see a stability advantage when Micky loses 40 tabs but doesn't lose the mothership. I guess they can technically claim FF didn't crash, but actually it did. If you have 8 processes and one dies, they other 7 keep running, each with 40 tabs. When I see a process named "Web content" running at 100% cpu for a long time, I kill it. Then restart the tabs I actually use. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:54:41 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: "Wade Garrett" wrote | If you buy one that prevents you from posting on usenet anymore, I bet a | number of the folks in the news groups you regularly pollute would | gladly help pay for it ;-) I'm guessing they won't have to. Micky seems to be more than happy to pay for an expensive gaming PC if that might make it easier for him to avoid paying attention to what he's doing. You bet. That's what money is for. If you don't want to be using a screwdriver your own self, there is likely to be an independent chain computer store that will do a build for you. You just tell the guy what you want, and then your wants can be translated into real things. If you say "me wants five DVD-RW drives in PC", then he is tasked with finding the machine with that many 5.25" bays. Maybe he pulls an Inwin case out of the back of the store. You tell him you're a gamer or you're not a gamer. You're a home theater person, and it would be nice if the machine could play Bluray movies at 4K. Based on those descriptions, they can choose to not use a video card (use Intel Quicksync in Intel GPU for doing some of those functions). The Intel stuff is good for "The SIMS", but not for "Crysis". So you can turn the experience into a shopping trip, and with your wad of money, get whatever your heart desires. If you want 128GB of RAM, you can have it, but the guy is going to ask you a lot of questions about that, because that request would be "abnormal" :-) If you tell him you keep four hundred Firefox tabs open, he'll understand. I prefer that approach, to the approach of buying a Gamer PC just to get one or two whizzy features, but then regretting that the computer case has flame decals on the side. There is no limit to how low the computer industry will stoop. https://www.computing.co.uk/w-images...LR-580x334.jpg If that one doesn't make it as a computer case, it doubles as a lunch-box you can take to work. My first computer was acquired that way. It was built for me for $100 and they did a good job. Today, I kept the computer case, but all the innards were replaced. The machine I'm typing on, uses the old computer case. One of the reasons, is it turns out the computer case has a removable motherboard tray. Which was great for doing upgrades. The machine might be on its fourth motherboard, I've lost track. Paul |
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On 8/11/2020 8:55 AM, Paul wrote:
If you don't want to be using a screwdriver your own self, there is likely to be an independent chain computer store that will do a build for you. Or sometimes a local individual. You just tell the guy what you want, and then your wants can be translated into real things. If you say "me wants five DVD-RW drives in PC", then he is tasked with finding the machine with that many 5.25" bays. Maybe he pulls an Inwin case out of the back of the store. You tell him you're a gamer or you're not a gamer. You're a home theater person, and it would be nice if the machine could play Bluray movies at 4K. Based on those descriptions, they can choose to not use a video card (use Intel Quicksync in Intel GPU for doing some of those functions). The Intel stuff is good for "The SIMS", but not for "Crysis". So you can turn the experience into a shopping trip, and with your wad of money, get whatever your heart desires. If you want 128GB of RAM, you can have it, but the guy is going to ask you a lot of questions about that, because that request would be "abnormal" :-) If you tell him you keep four hundred Firefox tabs open, he'll understand. I prefer that approach, to the approach of buying a Gamer PC just to get one or two whizzy features, I also prefer that approach. I used to sometimes build a computer myself, but I prefer to have someone do it for me, because although the building is easy, if building it results in a problem, having to troubleshoot it yourself can be hard. One component's manufacturer can blame the manufacturer of a second component and the manufactuer of the second component can blame the manufacturer of the first. To me, it's worth the small cost of paying someone else to do it. -- Ken |
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On 2020-08-11 10:55 a.m., Paul wrote:
micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:54:41 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: "Wade Garrett" wrote | If you buy one that prevents you from posting on usenet anymore, I bet a | number of the folks in the news groups you regularly pollute would | gladly help pay for it ;-) I'm guessing they won't have to. Micky seems to be more than happy to pay for an expensive gaming PC if that might make it easier for him to avoid paying attention to what he's doing. You bet.Â* That's what money is for. If you don't want to be using a screwdriver your own self, there is likely to be an independent chain computer store that will do a build for you. You just tell the guy what you want, and then your wants can be translated into real things. If you say "me wants five DVD-RW drives in PC", then he is tasked with finding the machine with that many 5.25" bays. Maybe he pulls an Inwin case out of the back of the store. You tell him you're a gamer or you're not a gamer. You're a home theater person, and it would be nice if the machine could play Bluray movies at 4K. Based on those descriptions, they can choose to not use a video card (use Intel Quicksync in Intel GPU for doing some of those functions). The Intel stuff is good for "The SIMS", but not for "Crysis". So you can turn the experience into a shopping trip, and with your wad of money, get whatever your heart desires. If you want 128GB of RAM, you can have it, but the guy is going to ask you a lot of questions about that, because that request would be "abnormal" :-) If you tell him you keep four hundred Firefox tabs open, he'll understand. I prefer that approach, to the approach of buying a Gamer PC just to get one or two whizzy features, but then regretting that the computer case has flame decals on the side. There is no limit to how low the computer industry will stoop. https://www.computing.co.uk/w-images...LR-580x334.jpg If that one doesn't make it as a computer case, it doubles as a lunch-box you can take to work. My first computer was acquired that way. It was built for me for $100 and they did a good job. Today, I kept the computer case, but all the innards were replaced. The machine I'm typing on, uses the old computer case. One of the reasons, is it turns out the computer case has a removable motherboard tray. Which was great for doing upgrades. The machine might be on its fourth motherboard, I've lost track. Â*Â* Paul One of my cases years ago was like that, you could unplug the drive and power supply cables, remove 2 screws and slide out the motherboard tray complete with the back slots, Video and sound cards as a complete assembly, it was a joy to work on, I believe it was a Lian Li box. Rene |
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