internet exporer pullled by Microsoft?

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote:
My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer
program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel.

My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer.

So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE.

I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer
cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser.


What version of windowV 10 Pro do you have?
I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet explorer is
still functional.

Rene

Interesting.... I have the same version. I suspect one of the
quality updates pulled it. Only the iexplore executable was removed.
from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE program
folders are otherwise intact.

iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer.

I also note that in Settings APS defaults, the choice for Internet
Explorer has been replace by Edge. So, now Edge is listed twice. The
first is annotated as recommended. The second has no notation. Choose
either one and get Edge.

Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me. But, my
curiosity lingers.

Ben

On 2020-07-31 05:24, Mayayana wrote:
"T" wrote

| Brave Browser would be a good choice. It is considered
| Grandparent safe:
|

Grandparent safe? You mean because the spyware is
pre-approved and built in? It's arguably a sleazeball operation
based on the Web of the 90s. A spyware product that tricks
you into paying them to spy on you by pretending that your
payments will support some great golden age of online
sharing.

The first problem is the assumption that the Web is primarily
a commercial entity. It's not. It's a public space. The second
problem is the implication that the commercial members of that
entity are nice, old-fashioned mom-and-pop stores who deserve
to get a few coins in exchange for your use of their site. A nice,
Andy of Mayberry-style, small town.
Even if you want to support that vision, the Internet
doesn't work that way. Brave is conflating Andy of Mayberry with
corporate shopping malls, helping to transform the Internet into
a corporate shopping mall. They're not helping to bring back
the idealistic sharing platform of the 90s. Brendan Eich seems
to be either naive or deeply cynical. I don't know which.

There have also been complaints about the integrity of the
company overall, which one can read about at the Wikipedia page.

I realize that you just disable the payments stuff, but what kind
of recommendation is that? "Hey, use this browser. They
try to cheat you but that's OK. I just cheat them." If you
want a clean chrome browser there must be better
options than lying to liars. And then, of course, there are
several gecko/Mozilla browsers. They're arguably overproduced,
but much more customizable and less based on being spyware
than chrome-based browsers.


You are jumping to some pretty big conclusions there.

Various tests I have seen show that Brave does the least
spying. When I install Brave, I turn off Brave Rewards
and Biance (may have misspelled it). This is not
rocket science.

And I have linked those tests for you before, so there
is really no point in debating.

"T" wrote
|
| You are jumping to some pretty big conclusions there.
|

No. I read the Wikipedia page about how it qorks
and about complaints there have been. The whole idea
is that you pay a bit in exchange for what you get
from websites. So no privacy. And there's a question
as to how much, if any, the websites actually get.
Because that same model is Brave's profit model.

| When I install Brave, I turn off Brave Rewards
| and Biance (may have misspelled it).

Exactly as I said. You disable the spying that's supposed
to pay for the thing. So you're cheating the cheaters.

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:39:34 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:

I checked on my Win 10 system (Pro, updated every month) and IE 11 still
there as well as Edge 18 (not Chromium Edge).

Given Microsoft browsers could go missing for years and many of us would
never notice, and given Microsoft puts them in funny places, and given that
I've previously reported to this ng that installing the Chromium-based Edge
seems to have "disappeared" the original Edge, can someone tell us how
exactly to _find_ the three reputed Microsoft browsers?

1. What's the easiest way to definitively find Chromium-based Edge?
2. What's the easiest way to definitively find non-chromium Edge?
3. What's the easiest way to definitively find Internet Explorer?

If there were three quick & simple search commands to run, I'd run them.
o Otherwise, it's too much of a PITA to even go rummaging to look for 'em.
--
Usenet is a great public helpdesk to get ideas from a bunch of nice people.

On 2020-07-31 13:57, Mayayana wrote:
"T" wrote
|
| You are jumping to some pretty big conclusions there.
|

No. I read the Wikipedia page about how it qorks
and about complaints there have been. The whole idea
is that you pay a bit in exchange for what you get
from websites. So no privacy. And there's a question
as to how much, if any, the websites actually get.
Because that same model is Brave's profit model.

That is not what the test show. Brave has the LEAST amount
of spying


| When I install Brave, I turn off Brave Rewards
| and Biance (may have misspelled it).

Exactly as I said. You disable the spying that's supposed
to pay for the thing. So you're cheating the cheaters.

So you'd rather use a browser that spies on your ass
mercilessly and you have no control over it like IE,
Edge, and Chrome rather than one that only monitors
you IF YOU OPT IN? If so, more power to you.
Opt in is not spying.

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:15 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:39:34 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:

I checked on my Win 10 system (Pro, updated every month) and IE 11 still
there as well as Edge 18 (not Chromium Edge).

Given Microsoft browsers could go missing for years and many of us would
never notice, and given Microsoft puts them in funny places, and given that
I've previously reported to this ng that installing the Chromium-based Edge
seems to have "disappeared" the original Edge, can someone tell us how
exactly to _find_ the three reputed Microsoft browsers?

1. What's the easiest way to definitively find Chromium-based Edge?
2. What's the easiest way to definitively find non-chromium Edge?
3. What's the easiest way to definitively find Internet Explorer?

If there were three quick & simple search commands to run, I'd run them.
o Otherwise, it's too much of a PITA to even go rummaging to look for 'em.

Check in c:\app\web\

All ur browsers be in there. same sence xp.

Bentot wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote:
My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer
program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel.

My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer.

So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE.

I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer
cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser.

What version of windowV 10 Pro do you have?
I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet explorer is
still functional.

Rene
Interesting.... I have the same version. I suspect one of the
quality updates pulled it. Only the iexplore executable was removed.
from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE program
folders are otherwise intact.

iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer.

I also note that in Settings APS defaults, the choice for Internet
Explorer has been replace by Edge. So, now Edge is listed twice. The
first is annotated as recommended. The second has no notation. Choose
either one and get Edge.

Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me. But, my
curiosity lingers.

Ben

Does this sequence still work on your machine ?

Right-click Start : Run : control
Programs and Features (control panel)
Windows Features
Check that Internet Explorer 11 tick box is still ticked

The "removal" of IE11 does not remove the folder,
because some part of that folder may still be in usage.

The Internet Explorer 11 tick box in Windows Features,
normally controls "iexplore.exe" . If the Internet Explorer
line is removed in Windows Features, that would be a sign
the removal is permanent.

Paul

Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 18:59:24 -0700, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Bentot
wrote:

My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer
program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel.

My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer.

So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE.

I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer
cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser.

still have it, but when i type it into the start box, it comes up as
Microsoft Edge first and IE second from after the "int" all the way
through the last letter of the entire two words.

So I don't know what happened to you. I'm current @ v 2004. But they're
definitely going to be killing it. with fire. it's about time.


It's possibly an A/B install, with some people being selected
to see whether anyone notices and raises a stink.

Since IE11 is a "Windows Feature", there could be a 50MB installer
file placed somewhere on the machine, or as a series of items in
WinSXS (a few component packages). It's not "just" an App, not
something you can Add/Remove like Firefox. And doesn't really get
removed anyway, as the engine has to stay behind as well as the
folder it is in. Now if the folder and engine disappeared,
that *would* be news.

Windows 10 Pro 19041.421

install.ins 3/19/2019 12:49AM

[Branding]
CompanyName=Microsoft Corporation
Wizard_Version=11.00.18362.1
Version=11,00,18362,1
Custom_Key=MICROSO
Global=1
IE4 Welcome Msg=1
Platform=2
GUID={7211FFE6-C149-11D0-AFF0-00AA003758BB}
Type=0
NoClear=1

Application
11.00.19041.1
12/6/2019 4:47PM
819,136 bytes [Compressed on disk]
IEXPLORE.EXE

You could say it's been well maintained, with a
random mix of identifiers and date stamps that
make no sense.

Paul

"T" wrote

| So you'd rather use a browser that spies on your ass
| mercilessly and you have no control over it like IE,
| Edge, and Chrome

No. I don't use any of those. So far I haven't
found a Chromium browser that doesn't spy. Even SRIron
tried to call home and when I blocked that it tried to
call Google. Yet they claim it's clean.

I've only use Mozilla variants for many years, since
Netscape. My current main choice is New Moon, which
is a Pale Moon variant. Both are lighter, faster versions
of Firefox.

Which is not to say I'm a Firefox cheerleader. I just
see it as the least problematic, especially with the older
versions. Your enthusiastic salespitch for spyware and
a pay-as-you-go model for the Internet makes no sense
to me. (Just a month ago they were caught adding
affilliate codes to URLs.)

I don't know what sort of privacy tests you're talking
about. I'm guessing they're probably like the "scientific"
research you found that shows wearing masks is a
commie plot.

I know Brave was a mess when I once tried it, but didn't
remember details. So I downloaded the offline installer.
It tried to contact numerous sites without even showing a
setup window. These were 2 of several IPs:

151.101.65.7 Fastly
13.35.82.46 Amazon Cloudfront

I ended up with 6 or 7 instances of setup
and updater running and couldn't kill them. I've never seen
*anything* so badly behaved. I finally unplugged the ethernet
cable and waited while the instances gradually quit, but not
before it hijacked New Moon. I'd blocked the setup EXE
at the firewall, so it hijacked New Moon and called
151.101.193.140!

That's some creepy software.

On 2020-07-31 17:26, Mayayana wrote:
I don't know what sort of privacy tests you're talking
about.

This is not the first time I have sent you this.
Maybe you should actually read it this time:

Brave Ranked the Most Private Browser While Microsoft Edge and Yandex
the Least Private Due to Privacy-Invading Telemetry
ALICIA HOPE·MARCH 18, 2020

https://www.cpomagazine.com/data-pri...ing-telemetry/

Brave emerged as the most private browser while the
new chromium-based Microsoft Edge and Yandex emerged
as the most privacy-intrusive browsers.

The professor noted that although users could turn off
the telemetry features in Firefox and make changes
to privacy settings in Chrome and Safari, users
required specialized knowledge. This requirement made
the browsers fare much worse compared with Brave,
the most private browser.

This is why Brave is considered grandparent safe: no
specialized knowledge required. Note that Firefox was
in the middle.

I recommend both Firefox and Brave


I'm guessing they're probably like the "scientific"
research you found that shows wearing masks is a
commie plot.

1) I provided cites to Randomized Clinical Trial
(RTC's). You did not. I used the scientific method.
You did not. There is no room for religion or political
correctness in science. "So and so said such and such"
does not cut it.

2) I never once called the mask crowd a "commie plot".

I have called the mask crowd "Lysenkoists" though, as
they follow political correctness and do not follow
actual science.

I call covid the "commie flu" because it came from a
bioweapons lab in COMMUNIST China and said Left Wingers
lied to the world about it, especially though WHO.

Please do not misrepresent me.

On 2020-07-31 15:11, Paul wrote:
Bentot wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote:
My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer
program folders.Â* Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel.

My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer.

So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE.

I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does.Â* She is computer
cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser.

What version of windowV 10Â* Pro doÂ* you have?
I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet explorer
is still functional.

Rene
Interesting....Â*Â* I have the same version.Â* I suspect one of the
quality updates pulled it.Â* Only the iexplore executable was removed.
from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE program
folders are otherwise intact.

iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer.

I also note that in SettingsÂ* APS defaults, the choice for Internet
Explorer has been replace by Edge.Â* So, now Edge is listed twice.Â* The
first is annotated as recommended.Â* The second has no notation. Choose
either one and get Edge.

Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me.Â* But, my
curiosity lingers.

Ben

Does this sequence still work on your machine ?

Right-click Start : Run : control
Â*Â* Programs and Features (control panel)
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Windows Features
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Check that Internet Explorer 11 tick box is still ticked

The "removal" of IE11 does not remove the folder,
because some part of that folder may still be in usage.

The Internet Explorer 11 tick box in Windows Features,
normally controls "iexplore.exe" . If the Internet Explorer
line is removed in Windows Features, that would be a sign
the removal is permanent.

Â*Â* Paul


Hi Paul,

Jut out of curiousity, would "sfc /scannow" recover it? Or only things
in the Widows directory?

-T

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:39:34 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 7/30/20 8:59 PM, Bentot wrote:
My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer
program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel.

My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer.

So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE.

I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer
cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser.

I checked on my Win 10 system (Pro, updated every month) and IE 11 still
there as well as Edge 18 (not Chromium Edge).

Weird!! TKs

Ben

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:34:41 -0500, gooby wrote:

o Otherwise, it's too much of a PITA to even go rummaging to look for 'em.

Check in c:\app\web\

All ur browsers be in there. same sence xp.

Holy cow! I don't know you, but you clearly know me well!
o My menus from Windows 95 to XP to Win7, Vista, & Win10 are the same!

Exact same files, in fact; simply zipped up to port to _all_ my PC!
o They have only improved slightly, over the decades, with new software.

The fact you know that fact, means, you know me well: You are good!

What we do is the same functional menu hierarchy on all desktop machines!
o https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg

You're actually damn good because one in a million can do what you said!
o https://i.postimg.cc/QN6rbSQD/browser05.jpg

1. Here is my screenshot of C:\app\ where browser is next, as you knew:
o https://i.postimg.cc/jqvR1RrG/browser01.jpg

2. Below that, are the "types" of browsers, one of which is http
o https://i.postimg.cc/xdrQmCKb/browser02.jpg

3. Inside of http shows four fundamental browser code bases:
(chromium based, mozilla based, independents, & microsoft based)
o https://i.postimg.cc/Y9MwXsDr/browser03.jpg

4. Inside the Microsoft code base are the three MS Windows 10 browsers:
(internet explorer, old legacy Edge UWB classic, new Edge Chrome)
o https://i.postimg.cc/4y3RGhTj/browser04.jpg

Looking at the M$ *.lnk shortcuts, these are the TARGETS to each:
a. Internet Explorer
TARGET: "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"
b. Old legacy Edge UWB classic
TARGET: %windir%\explorer.exe shell:Appsfolder\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8 bbwe!MicrosoftEdge
c. New Edge Chrome
TARGET: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe"

Entering those commands into the Win+R Run box brings up each browser:
a. InternetExplorer: Gear icon About Internet Explorer
Version 11.959.18362.0 (Update version 11.0.200)
b. Edge UWB: Elipses Settings General About this app
Version Microsoft Edge 44.18362.449.0
Version Microsoft EdgeHTML 18.18363
c. Edge Chrome: Elipses Settings About Microsoft Edge
Version 84.0.522.50 (Official build) (64-bit)

As you noted, all three browsers work just fine concurrently in Win10!
https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg
--
Those who control Windows find that the simplest solutions work on all PCs.

T wrote:
On 2020-07-31 15:11, Paul wrote:
Bentot wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote:
My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer
program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel.

My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer.

So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE.

I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer
cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser.

What version of windowV 10 Pro do you have?
I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet explorer
is still functional.

Rene
Interesting.... I have the same version. I suspect one of the
quality updates pulled it. Only the iexplore executable was removed.
from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE program
folders are otherwise intact.

iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer.

I also note that in Settings APS defaults, the choice for Internet
Explorer has been replace by Edge. So, now Edge is listed twice. The
first is annotated as recommended. The second has no notation. Choose
either one and get Edge.

Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me. But, my
curiosity lingers.

Ben

Does this sequence still work on your machine ?

Right-click Start : Run : control
Programs and Features (control panel)
Windows Features
Check that Internet Explorer 11 tick box is still ticked

The "removal" of IE11 does not remove the folder,
because some part of that folder may still be in usage.

The Internet Explorer 11 tick box in Windows Features,
normally controls "iexplore.exe" . If the Internet Explorer
line is removed in Windows Features, that would be a sign
the removal is permanent.

Paul


Hi Paul,

Jut out of curiousity, would "sfc /scannow" recover it? Or only things
in the Widows directory?

-T


SFC is mainly C:\Windows directory related.

It really should not be wandering about C:\Program Files.

And "Internet Explorer" is in both C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86).
It's the poster boy for providing both options for bitness.

On a 32-bit OS, only C:\Program Files exists and the x86 version would
be in there.

Paul

On 2020-07-31 20:59, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 2020-07-31 15:11, Paul wrote:
Bentot wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote:
My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet
explorer
program folders.Â* Cannot get them back via Settings or Control
Panel.

My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer.

So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE.

I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does.Â* She is computer
cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser.

What version of windowV 10Â* Pro doÂ* you have?
I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet explorer
is still functional.

Rene
Interesting....Â*Â* I have the same version.Â* I suspect one of the
quality updates pulled it.Â* Only the iexplore executable was removed.
from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE program
folders are otherwise intact.

iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer.

I also note that in SettingsÂ* APS defaults, the choice for Internet
Explorer has been replace by Edge.Â* So, now Edge is listed twice.Â* The
first is annotated as recommended.Â* The second has no notation. Choose
either one and get Edge.

Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me.Â* But, my
curiosity lingers.

Ben

Does this sequence still work on your machine ?

Right-click Start : Run : control
Â*Â*Â* Programs and Features (control panel)
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Windows Features
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Check that Internet Explorer 11 tick box is still ticked

The "removal" of IE11 does not remove the folder,
because some part of that folder may still be in usage.

The Internet Explorer 11 tick box in Windows Features,
normally controls "iexplore.exe" . If the Internet Explorer
line is removed in Windows Features, that would be a sign
the removal is permanent.

Â*Â*Â* Paul


Hi Paul,

Jut out of curiousity, would "sfc /scannow" recover it?Â* Or only
things in the Widows directory?

-T


SFC is mainly C:\Windows directory related.

It really should not be wandering about C:\Program Files.

And "Internet Explorer" is in both C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files
(x86).
It's the poster boy for providing both options for bitness.

On a 32-bit OS, only C:\Program Files exists and the x86 version would
be in there.

Â*Â* Paul

Dang. It was a long shot. Maybe one of those in
place re-installs you taught me then?