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Old August 19th 20, 04:33 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger
https://i.postimg.cc/3JJ3CPgC/fire-map-20200818-6am.jpg

With dozens of fires currently surrounding the Silicon Valley, concomitant
with smoke everywhere, embers floating in the pool, dry winds in every
direction, evacuation orders on & off (some rescinded, others enforced)...
https://i.postimg.cc/BZzSqhWq/fire-map-20200818-8am.jpg

.... maybe it's time to consider an emergency notification web site or app?
https://i.postimg.cc/y8d2kK0t/fire-map-20200818-7am.jpg

Some locals are suggesting this - do you have good experience with it?
o iOS: PulsePoint Respond, by PulsePoint Foundation
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pulsepoint-respond/id500772134
o Android: PulsePoint Respond, by PulsePoint Foundation
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.firedepartment

Do you have experience with this app that you can share?
o Also, what other "emergency" related apps do you recommend?

See also:
o CZU Lightning Complex fires
,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m3!15m2!1m1!1s%2Fg%2F11kn8bpg_6

o Santa Cruz County Twitter
https://twitter.com/sccounty?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7C twgr%5Eauthor

o CalFire Twitter
https://twitter.com/CALFIRECZU

o CalFire Web
https://www.fire.ca.gov/incidents/2020/8/17/czu-august-lightning-complex/

o Zonehaven
https://community.zonehaven.com/

o SF Chronicle Fire Map
https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/california-fire-map/

o Evacuation checklist
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5305121.pdf
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Old August 19th 20, 05:01 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
Arlen Holder
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

To clarify, the question relates to apps and web sites for emergency
information on fires (and other emergencies but fires right now).

Given people on this newsgroup are geographically dispersed, the kinds of
web sites and apps suggested should likely be local _for you_ (which can be
anywhere in the world) or like some are below - world wide in scope.

The hope is that if each of us lists our best local emergency web sites and
apps (perhaps with a current screenshot so others can see what they report)
then all _others_ may benefit from your every action (which is always the
goal to leverage everything you do so that others always benefit from it).

To flesh out further _just_ the Silicon Valley area, here are some
screenshots taken just now so that you get an idea of what the apps and
sites I listed in the OP are reporting in real time (where some of the apps
and maps are world wide in scope)...

o PulsePoint Respond (app)
https://i.postimg.cc/BZzSqhWq/fire-map-20200818-8am.jpg

o Google Maps (site/app)
https://i.postimg.cc/y8d2kK0t/fire-map-20200818-7am.jpg

o Twitter - Santa Cruz County (site/app)
https://i.postimg.cc/BZd7gD9S/sccounty-twitter.jpg

o Twitter - CalFire (site/app)
https://i.postimg.cc/fRvHDr3y/twitter-calfire.jpg

o Calfire (site)
https://i.postimg.cc/g2yV3LdT/calfire-web.jpg

o SF Chronicle Fire Map (site)
https://i.postimg.cc/NMnmQ175/chronicle-fire01.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/g0Yvsc2k/chronicle-fire.jpg

o Zonehaven (site)
https://i.postimg.cc/3JJ3CPgC/fire-map-20200818-6am.jpg

Also, what would you _add_ based on your experience to this checklist?
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5305121.pdf
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Old August 20th 20, 01:52 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

A few more fire weather-related world-wide real-time sites a

o Realtime lightning strikes map around the world
https://i.postimg.cc/k5M8HQL0/lightning-realtime-strikes.jpg
http://www.lightningmaps.org

o Realtime wind direction and wind force maps around the world
https://i.postimg.cc/C5xQLnZX/realtime-wind-direction.jpg
https://www.windy.com/37.340/-121.890?36.712,-121.569,7

o Realtime wildfire alert cameras around the world
https://i.postimg.cc/mkVhCJgh/wildfirecams.jpg
http://www.alertwildfire.org/southeastbay/index.html?camera=Axis-Mission2&v=518dd6b
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Old August 20th 20, 07:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due tofire danger

On 08/19/2020 05:52 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
A few more fire weather-related world-wide real-time sites a

o Realtime lightning strikes map around the world
https://i.postimg.cc/k5M8HQL0/lightning-realtime-strikes.jpg
http://www.lightningmaps.org


I saw one like that. I unplugged the ethernet cable and lightning
continued striking for as long as I cared to watch.

o Realtime wind direction and wind force maps around the world
https://i.postimg.cc/C5xQLnZX/realtime-wind-direction.jpg
https://www.windy.com/37.340/-121.890?36.712,-121.569,7

o Realtime wildfire alert cameras around the world
https://i.postimg.cc/mkVhCJgh/wildfirecams.jpg
http://www.alertwildfire.org/southeastbay/index.html?camera=Axis-Mission2&v=518dd6b


"Mandatory" evacuation here doesn't mean that you must leave. It means
that if you do leave, you aren't allowed back in. I left too early
during the Woolsey Fire, before there was an evacuation order, before
police and roadblocks were everywhere. I was locked out for a month.

During one of my daily attempts to get back in, there was an SUV parked
just the other side of the roadblock, the INside, and I asked the
officer about it.

It belonged to area residents, who would leave the vehicle parked there
while they went to town or wherever. When they returned, they were
allowed to climb back in their SUV and drive away into the evacuated
area! Since that SUV was never driven across a roadblock to exit the
area, it technically did not evacuate. The cops were only following the
letter of the law, and didn't interfere.

If you evacuate a fire area, and your family has more than one vehicle,
try to leave one on the inside.
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Old August 21st 20, 06:17 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

Arlen Holder wrote in
:

Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire
danger
https://i.postimg.cc/3JJ3CPgC/fire-map-20200818-6am.jpg

With dozens of fires currently surrounding the Silicon Valley,
concomitant with smoke everywhere, embers floating in the pool, dry
winds in every direction, evacuation orders on & off (some rescinded,
others enforced)...
https://i.postimg.cc/BZzSqhWq/fire-map-20200818-8am.jpg

... maybe it's time to consider an emergency notification web site or
app?
https://i.postimg.cc/y8d2kK0t/fire-map-20200818-7am.jpg

Some locals are suggesting this - do you have good experience with it?
o iOS: PulsePoint Respond, by PulsePoint Foundation
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pulsepoint-respond/id500772134
o Android: PulsePoint Respond, by PulsePoint Foundation
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.firedepartment

Do you have experience with this app that you can share?
o Also, what other "emergency" related apps do you recommend?

See also:
o CZU Lightning Complex fires

!4m3!15m2!1m1!1s%2Fg%2F11kn8bpg_6

o Santa Cruz County Twitter
https://twitter.com/sccounty?ref_src...camp%5Eserp%7C
twgr%5Eauthor

o CalFire Twitter
https://twitter.com/CALFIRECZU

o CalFire Web
https://www.fire.ca.gov/incidents/20...ightning-compl
ex/

o Zonehaven
https://community.zonehaven.com/

o SF Chronicle Fire Map
https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/california-fire-map/

o Evacuation checklist
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5305121.pdf


Just saw a notification that Googlel is now showing wildfire boundaries
on Maps and a couple other apps. It' not an alert per se, but will at
least allow one to track the fire.
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Old August 21st 20, 07:54 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:48:55 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

It already exists. It is called an emergency alert sent to all mobile
phones.


Hi JF Mezei,

Yes. Thanks.
o You're not an Apple apologist, so you're actually trying to be helpful.

Much appreciated.

IMHO, the emergency notification system in California only sort of works.
o Maybe Canada runs the emergency alerts better than does California.

For example, here is the local government _rescinding_ their own alerts!
o https://i.postimg.cc/k5V8xLGJ/alert01.jpg

Apparently they geofenced wrongly.
o Again.

They do this all the time; so I don't trust them anymore.
o Besides, not everyone gets the same alert, even neighbors.

I asked my neighbors, where only _some_ of them received that alert.
o In fact, some received two alerts, and others one, and others zero.

So we need _more_ than those alerts, particularly because by the time you
receive the alert, it's almost too late to do anything meaningful except to
get out of Dodge.

Notice Google now pops up the closest fire complex (this fire is 150K acres
large so, while Silicon Valley & Sacramento are almost surrounded by huge
fires, Google shows only the nearest fire complex to your current location:
o https://i.postimg.cc/ZYPNF8bd/alert02.jpg

BTW, the lighting & thunder, which was tremendous, was on Monday morning.
o https://i.postimg.cc/k5M8HQL0/lightning-realtime-strikes.jpg

Lot's of stuff is burning because they let this one go far too long (IMHO).

Anyway, it is what it is, e.g., here is a nearby WISP tower in realtime:
o https://i.postimg.cc/ZqyB93s0/alert03.jpg

In summary, if you know of other real-time world-wide emergency alert
information systems, please post them to this thread for all to benefit.
--
California has the highest fire control costs in the nation for a reason.
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Old August 21st 20, 08:20 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 05:17:02 GMT, MajorLanGod wrote:

Just saw a notification that Googlel is now showing wildfire boundaries
on Maps and a couple other apps. It' not an alert per se, but will at
least allow one to track the fire.


Yes. Google is doing strange things if you're near one of the fires!
o Thanks for your purposefully helpful suggestion of Google Map changes!

The Google Map app, on mobile devices, seems to be picking up the _nearest_
fire complex to where you happen to be when you open up the app, I think.
o https://i.postimg.cc/ZYPNF8bd/alert02.jpg

I'm told they elevated the local fires to IMT1 that surround the Silicon
Valley but I don't have confirmation on that (there are about 18 IMT1 teams
in the USA, each of which is about 35 to 50 highly trained personnel).
o https://i.postimg.cc/NMnmQ175/chronicle-fire01.jpg

Each newspaper seems to have their own maps, e.g., the SF Chronicle:
o https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/california-fire-map/
Where this is a shot I took to show you what they're offering:
o https://i.postimg.cc/g0Yvsc2k/chronicle-fire.jpg

And this is the LA Times maps on the fires:
o https://www.latimes.com/wildfires-map/
Where this shows the Silicon Valley almost surrounded by fires:
o https://i.postimg.cc/mDCfGSN2/latimes-fire-map.jpg

Being in the thick of it all, this seems to be the best single site
for information because it shows the actual evacuation orders:
o https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/f0121f7f2f0941afb3ed70529b2cee75

In that map, you can see evacuation orders _before_ they're given,
where you can zoom directly to your street to see what's going on.

If anyone knows of _better_ emergency evacuation web sites or mobile apps,
please let us know as the point is to leverage the information to all.
--
It's amazing how much information you need when evacuation is upon you.
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Old August 21st 20, 08:33 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:20:19 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

Being in the thick of it all, this seems to be the best single site
for information because it shows the actual evacuation orders:
o https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/f0121f7f2f0941afb3ed70529b2cee75


I forgot to post a screenshot of the best site, so far, for useful info:
o https://i.postimg.cc/0jSpnzs4/alert04.jpg

That "best" site, so far, at least for _local_ evacuations, seems to be:
o https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/f0121f7f2f0941afb3ed70529b2cee75

That gives you the exact evacuation zone for your home & the orders:
o https://i.postimg.cc/Z5W9kxW4/alert05.jpg

But the question is really about global sources of emergency information.
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Old August 21st 20, 12:52 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

On 8/21/20 2:54 AM, this is what Arlen Holder wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:48:55 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

It already exists. It is called an emergency alert sent to all mobile
phones.


Hi JF Mezei,

Yes. Thanks.
o You're not an Apple apologist, so you're actually trying to be helpful.

Much appreciated.

IMHO, the emergency notification system in California only sort of works.
o Maybe Canada runs the emergency alerts better than does California.

For example, here is the local government _rescinding_ their own alerts!
o https://i.postimg.cc/k5V8xLGJ/alert01.jpg

Apparently they geofenced wrongly.
o Again.

They do this all the time; so I don't trust them anymore.
o Besides, not everyone gets the same alert, even neighbors.

I asked my neighbors, where only _some_ of them received that alert.
o In fact, some received two alerts, and others one, and others zero.

So we need _more_ than those alerts, particularly because by the time you
receive the alert, it's almost too late to do anything meaningful except to
get out of Dodge.

Notice Google now pops up the closest fire complex (this fire is 150K acres
large so, while Silicon Valley & Sacramento are almost surrounded by huge
fires, Google shows only the nearest fire complex to your current location:
o https://i.postimg.cc/ZYPNF8bd/alert02.jpg

BTW, the lighting & thunder, which was tremendous, was on Monday morning.
o https://i.postimg.cc/k5M8HQL0/lightning-realtime-strikes.jpg

Lot's of stuff is burning because they let this one go far too long (IMHO).

Anyway, it is what it is, e.g., here is a nearby WISP tower in realtime:
o https://i.postimg.cc/ZqyB93s0/alert03.jpg

In summary, if you know of other real-time world-wide emergency alert
information systems, please post them to this thread for all to benefit.

Why do you bullet a one item list? It really makes the page/post look horrible IMHO. I would simply tab indent that bullet and leave the
zero off. Now if you had several items like a list of sites, yes.

Al
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Old August 21st 20, 10:52 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

UPDATE

o Here's another great national fire situational awareness map:
https://maps.nwcg.gov/sa/#/%3F/%3F/35.000/-114.000/5

o And this handles both real-time wind & fire for the entire country:
https://forestobservatory.com/tour

o This is country-wide real-time wind (important when you're near a fire)
https://www.windy.com/37.000/-122.000?37.000,-121.000,7
https://www.windfinder.com/#10/39.5000/-98.3500

o This is a CalFire incidents account for the whole state:
https://incidents.readyforwildfire.org/incidents/?lat=37.00000000000001&lng=-122.0000000&miles=200

And this is an app for iOS/Android "Internet" radio police & fire feeds:
o https://www.broadcastify.com/
Note: Most (almost all?) Android phones have a built-in hardware FM radio.

For those with HAM radios, here are the CalFire radio frequencies:
https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=1008

Please add value to the national emergency sites listing
so that others may benefit from all that you do.
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Old August 21st 20, 10:52 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

UPDATE

o Here's another great national fire situational awareness map:
https://maps.nwcg.gov/sa/#/%3F/%3F/35.000/-114.000/5

o And this handles both real-time wind & fire for the entire country:
https://forestobservatory.com/tour

o This is country-wide real-time wind (important when you're near a fire)
https://www.windy.com/37.000/-122.000?37.000,-121.000,7
https://www.windfinder.com/#10/39.5000/-98.3500

o This is a CalFire incidents account for the whole state:
https://incidents.readyforwildfire.org/incidents/?lat=37.00000000000001&lng=-122.0000000&miles=200

And this is an app for iOS/Android "Internet" radio police & fire feeds:
o https://www.broadcastify.com/
Note: Most (almost all?) Android phones have a built-in hardware FM radio.

For those with HAM radios, here are the CalFire radio frequencies:
https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=1008

Please add value to the national emergency sites listing
so that others may benefit from all that you do.
  #12  
Old August 23rd 20, 07:13 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:05:13 -0700, Corvid wrote:

If you evacuate a fire area, and your family has more than one vehicle,
try to leave one on the inside.


Thanks Corvid for that useful advice, which you learned through experience.

To keep this thread with useful national links to benefit everyone, add:
o Realtime satellite images of the fires from space
,13z

And, for the locals, here are a couple useful emergency links:
o CZU (Santa Cruz Mountains) and SCU (Diablo Foothills) Lightning Complex Wildfires
https://www.sccgov.org/sites/oes/Pages/czu-scu-lghtng-complx-fires.aspx
o CalFire Incidents
https://incidents.readyforwildfire.org/incidents/?lat=37.00000000000001&lng=-122.0000000&miles=50
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that matters is what value you or anyone adds to this thread, as the goal,
always, is to benefit everyone with every post.
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Old August 25th 20, 08:25 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.home.repair
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Default Emergency apps/sites when/if an evacuation is imminent due to fire danger

On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 21:48:59 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

The system is managed by the FCC nationally. And standards were set for
all handset manufactirers and required to get FCC approval to operate in
USA (and now in Canada).


Hi JF Mezei,

You seem to know this alert stuff far better than most people here,
including me, where, from what I've seen in the past week, the alert system
is not consistent at all (in the same house, some get them & others don't).

Thanks for that information where it might be good to summarize what exists
for most people in the US and Canada, given how crappy the California
alerts have been for these wildfire evacuation zones (lots of people
_never_ received the alert, and lots more errantly received bogus alerts).

The alert system for these wildfires in California have been a royal mess:
a. We've been getting alerts for the wrong areas
b. Which they've had to rescind
c. And yet, only _some_ people got those alerts (some 1 but not the other)

Hence, clearly, it's a royal mess out here in California, and I'm pretty
damn close to the fire (I can see it and the smoke is intense and the
embers are in my pool, etc.).

It's kind of confusing how this "alert" system works though, as there is
only one mandatory alert system that I know of that you can't opt out of.

The rest, I think, are either based on ad hoc connections to local cell
towers, but as we know, they screwed that up a couple times already for
these fires.

To try to add value, I know of this opt-in system which seems "official"
(Or maybe it's just "semi official"? Dunno. Do you? Does anyone?)
o http://calalerts.org/index.html

Do you see why this wildfire and earthquake alert is confusing to me?
o Each county in California seems to have its own alert system too!

For example, this seems to be the Santa Clara County alert system:
o https://www.sccgov.org/sites/oes/alertscc/Pages/home.aspx

And this seems to be the Santa Cruz County alert system:
o http://entry.inspironlogistics.com/santacruz_az/wens.cfm

Notice that Santa Cruz system has all sorts of "types" of alerts, e.g.,
o Air quality alerts
o Emergency situation alerts
o Boil water alerts
o Fire warning
o Flash flood warning
o Severe thunderstorm warning
o Extreme cold warning
o Excessive heat warning
o Dust storm warning
etc.

Can someone explain how evacuation alerts work in your area?
o (because they don't seem to work well in mine)
--
Here are some evacuation checklists
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5305121.pdf
https://www.firesafesantacruz.org/images/FSCSCC-WildfireEvacGuide-10-16-19.pdf
https://www.readyforwildfire.org/prepare-for-wildfire/go-evacuation-guide/pre-evacuation-preparation-steps/

 




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