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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
Sam E wrote:
On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes.Â* Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc).Â* Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left.Â* Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?"Â* "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? How about clicking on "OK" or "cancel" rather than blindly clicking on a spot that "feels right"? Muscle memory. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes.Â* Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc).Â* Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left.Â* Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?"Â* "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the window. Different people process information in different ways. Not as bad as Linux where you at least in the past could have dialogues that looked very similar but had the buttons swapped. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:00:17 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the window. Do you glance down at your car pedals each time to the labels you wrote on them saying "brake" and "gas"? |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:08:19 +0100, Snit wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote: On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the window. Different people process information in different ways. Not as bad as Linux where you at least in the past could have dialogues that looked very similar but had the buttons swapped. Apparently in Linux you can now choose which you prefer. https://superuser.com/questions/1221...ndows-or-linux |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:57:03 +0100, Sam E wrote:
On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? How about clicking on "OK" or "cancel" rather than blindly clicking on a spot that "feels right"? Do you label your car pedals and check each time you want to brake or accelerate? Do you look at the volume knob on your stereo to find out which way is louder? No, you remember. Right is more, left is less. Everywhere except Windows. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:40:00 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:08:19 +0100, Snit wrote: Mark Lloyd wrote: On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the window. Different people process information in different ways. Not as bad as Linux where you at least in the past could have dialogues that looked very similar but had the buttons swapped. Apparently in Linux you can now choose which you prefer. https://superuser.com/questions/1221...ndows-or-linux Excellent... though not really obvious. Major distros should have it pre-set for the software that they ship with. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
In article , Snit
wrote: I suspect that you won1t want to hear it, but the default on Macs is to have OK on the right... And, back in the days of the Resource Editor, it was possible, though very much advised against, to dig up ResEdit (that1s ResEdit,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResEdit not RegEdit) and make changes to the dialogs. I used to use ResEdit to do things like add command-key combinations, change the names of menus, change the colours of menus, and generally play around inside apps and system files, though only on a copy. Many was the time that what seemed like a minor change (setting the Finder1s menus to be black with white text, for example) proved to be a Very Bad Idea. actually, it was widely done without any adverse effect, unless the app was poorly written and made assumptions it should not have made. In which case it had bad effects. rearranging dialogue layouts or changing menu colours had no effect whatsoever, other than aesthetics. the app had no clue it even happened. i only mentioned the possibility because nothing is 100% perfect. theoretically, an app could do something very stupid, however, it's not anything anyone should worry about. in the unlikely event something does go wrong, take it as a hint to stop using the app because there are probably a lot of other problems with the app. stop talking about things you know nothing about. Unlike using Preference files to open apps which seemed to work pretty much universally. 'seemed to work pretty much' is a nice bunch of weasel words. at least you're attempting to backpedal your bogus claim rather than trying to insist it's correct. maybe one day you'll actually admit it's wrong. as you've been repeatedly told, what you describe was a function of the app, not the os, something which relatively few apps bothered to do. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:38:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:00:17 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the window. Do you glance down at your car pedals each time to the labels you wrote on them saying "brake" and "gas"? Hard to do when still checking that turning the steering wheel clockwise will lead to me turning right... it is randomly decided each time I start the car. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:38:54 +0100, Wolffan wrote:
On 23 Aug 2020, Commander Kinsey wrote (in article op.0ps315mnwdg98l@glass): I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I suspect that you won’t want to hear it, but the default on Macs is to have OK on the right... I know it is, having used them at work. Linux too. And I stated this above. And, back in the days of the Resource Editor, it was possible, though very much advised against, to dig up ResEdit (that’s ResEdit,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResEdit not RegEdit) and make changes to the dialogs. I used to use ResEdit to do things like add command-key combinations, change the names of menus, change the colours of menus, and generally play around inside apps and system files, though only on a copy. Many was the time that what seemed like a minor change (setting the Finder’s menus to be black with white text, for example) proved to be a Very Bad Idea. How to switch defaults on Windows? Simple: convince Microsoft to modify their APIs and to thereby force all Windows devs to swap the OK and cancel button positions. I’m sure that they’ll get right on it. Then all Windows devs will be happy to update all their apps to the new APIs. Or maybe not... Or, perhaps you could mess about with a registry editor. I’m pretty sure that RegEdit won’t cut it, but you could try... And there is a resource editor out for Windows. I’ve never used it, but you could try it. If you used to do it, then you can work it out for me, I wouldn't have a clue where to look. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:27:28 +0100, Snit wrote:
Wolffan wrote: On 23 Aug 2020, Commander Kinsey wrote (in article op.0ps315mnwdg98l@glass): I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I suspect that you won’t want to hear it, but the default on Macs is to have OK on the right... And, back in the days of the Resource Editor, it was possible, though very much advised against, to dig up ResEdit (that’s ResEdit,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResEdit not RegEdit) and make changes to the dialogs. I used to use ResEdit to do things like add command-key combinations, change the names of menus, change the colours of menus, and generally play around inside apps and system files, though only on a copy. Many was the time that what seemed like a minor change (setting the Finder’s menus to be black with white text, for example) proved to be a Very Bad Idea. I used it some. Still have keyboard layouts I made with it and they still work on macOS. Hasn't it always been called "MacOS"? |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:27:28 +0100, Snit wrote:
Big Al wrote: On 8/23/20 12:31 PM, this is what Snit wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine.. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? Don’t have an answer — but used to be on Linux there were dialogs almost the exact same but with the buttons reversed. It was insane. I'm there now. +1 Also the save or ok buttons are not always on the same side. It is truly insane. I'd prefer that, because 50% of the time I'd get the right button. In Windows I get it wrong every time. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
In article op.0ptk7kdswdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote: I used it some. Still have keyboard layouts I made with it and they still work on macOS. Hasn't it always been called "MacOS"? no. there have been several variants. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:42:48 +0100, Snit wrote:
On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:38:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:00:17 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the window. Do you glance down at your car pedals each time to the labels you wrote on them saying "brake" and "gas"? Hard to do when still checking that turning the steering wheel clockwise will lead to me turning right... it is randomly decided each time I start the car. That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very tight spot in a small local garage. Other people had placed their cars in the way of the exit. A mechanic said one of those things that gets on my nerves: "left hand down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over my shoulder with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say "left" or "right". The car will go the same way no matter which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on the wheel makes it go right, in either gear!! |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:42:25 PM MST, "nospam" wrote:
In article , Snit wrote: I suspect that you won1t want to hear it, but the default on Macs is to have OK on the right... And, back in the days of the Resource Editor, it was possible, though very much advised against, to dig up ResEdit (that1s ResEdit,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResEdit not RegEdit) and make changes to the dialogs. I used to use ResEdit to do things like add command-key combinations, change the names of menus, change the colours of menus, and generally play around inside apps and system files, though only on a copy. Many was the time that what seemed like a minor change (setting the Finder1s menus to be black with white text, for example) proved to be a Very Bad Idea. actually, it was widely done without any adverse effect, unless the app was poorly written and made assumptions it should not have made. In which case it had bad effects. rearranging dialogue layouts or changing menu colours had no effect whatsoever, other than aesthetics. the app had no clue it even happened. I am in reference to your comment about applications. Sorry you missed that. i only mentioned the possibility because nothing is 100% perfect. theoretically, an app could do something very stupid, however, it's not anything anyone should worry about. in the unlikely event something does go wrong, take it as a hint to stop using the app because there are probably a lot of other problems with the app. I cannot think of any great issues I had with it... though I do know I ran into some problems. Also just played to fiddle with apps in silly ways. stop talking about things you know nothing about. When was the last day you had in less than 50% of your posts such comments where you make assumptions about what others do and do not know just to try to feel better about yourself? This is not a rhetorical question -- can you find ANY day like that? I suspect not. Unlike using Preference files to open apps which seemed to work pretty much universally. 'seemed to work pretty much' is a nice bunch of weasel words. I already showed it worked with MS Word: https://youtu.be/IouS4iDvsOQ Do you have an example of it NOT working? Made the video to show you what I was talking about on Aug 17... you have yet to show ANY app where this failed. How long do you think it will take you to find one? If you do we can have a discussion on tech and not on your need to put others down. I would prefer that. .... -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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