How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?

On 2020-08-23, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

I suspect that you won1t want to hear it, but the default on Macs is to
have OK on the right... And, back in the days of the Resource Editor, it
was
possible, though very much advised against, to dig up ResEdit (that1s
ResEdit,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResEdit not RegEdit) and make
changes
to the dialogs. I used to use ResEdit to do things like add command-key
combinations, change the names of menus, change the colours of menus, and
generally play around inside apps and system files, though only on a copy.
Many was the time that what seemed like a minor change (setting the
Finder1s menus to be black with white text, for example) proved to be a
Very Bad Idea.

actually, it was widely done without any adverse effect, unless the app
was poorly written and made assumptions it should not have made.

In which case it had bad effects.

rearranging dialogue layouts or changing menu colours had no effect
whatsoever, other than aesthetics. the app had no clue it even
happened.

i only mentioned the possibility because nothing is 100% perfect.

theoretically, an app could do something very stupid, however, it's not
anything anyone should worry about. in the unlikely event something
does go wrong, take it as a hint to stop using the app because there
are probably a lot of other problems with the app.

stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Unlike using Preference files to open apps which seemed to work pretty much
universally.

'seemed to work pretty much' is a nice bunch of weasel words.

at least you're attempting to backpedal your bogus claim rather than
trying to insist it's correct. maybe one day you'll actually admit it's
wrong.

as you've been repeatedly told, what you describe was a function of the
app, not the os, something which relatively few apps bothered to do.

And the snit circus is off to another engagement.
Ever notice that every thread snit gets involved in, which IS every
thread, turns into another snit circus?

I sense a pattern here.

--

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nospam wrote in
:

In article , Snit
wrote:


That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very
tight spot in a small local garage. Other people had placed
their cars in the way of the exit. A mechanic said one of
those things that gets on my nerves: "left hand
down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over
my shoulder with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say
"left" or "right". The car will go the same way no matter
which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on the wheel makes it
go right, in either gear!!


Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those
of us with experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses
people.

anyone confused when backing up should not be driving.

Someone with snit's horrible driving record shouldn't be teaching a
anyone to drive a car.
Snit keeps getting pulled over by the po po and ends up attending
traffic school.

Right snit?

eyeroll

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:34:43 +0000 (UTC), Jonas
wrote:

nospam wrote in
:

In article , Snit
wrote:


That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very
tight spot in a small local garage. Other people had placed
their cars in the way of the exit. A mechanic said one of
those things that gets on my nerves: "left hand
down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over
my shoulder with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say
"left" or "right". The car will go the same way no matter
which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on the wheel makes it
go right, in either gear!!


Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those
of us with experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses
people.

anyone confused when backing up should not be driving.

Someone with snit's horrible driving record shouldn't be teaching a
anyone to drive a car.
Snit keeps getting pulled over by the po po and ends up attending
traffic school.

Right snit?

eyeroll

Do you have a cite for this?
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On 8/23/2020 1:00 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes.* Everything in my life
is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car
accelerator, etc).* Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine.
Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in
life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is
on the left.* Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong
button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right.
"Do you want to save this?"* "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!"

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?

I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would
click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the
window.


It's not always true, but in most cases, OK is already selected, and
simply pressing the enter key is like clicking OK.


--
Ken

On 8/23/2020 2:35 PM, Snit wrote:
On Aug 23, 2020 at 2:08:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:51:05 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:47:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:42:48 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:38:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:00:17 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life
is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car
accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine.
Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in
life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is
on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong
button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right.
"Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!"

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?

I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would
click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the
window.

Do you glance down at your car pedals each time to the labels you wrote on
them saying "brake" and "gas"?

Hard to do when still checking that turning the steering wheel clockwise
will
lead to me turning right... it is randomly decided each time I start the
car.


That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very tight spot in a
small local garage. Other people had placed their cars in the way of the
exit. A mechanic said one of those things that gets on my nerves: "left
hand
down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over my shoulder
with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say "left" or "right". The car
will go the same way no matter which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on
the wheel makes it go right, in either gear!!


Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.

Going in reverse is THE SAME. The wheel goes the same way to make the car go
to the right in either direction. How can anyone possibly get that wrong?

Work with people just learning. You will see.

The only thing incompetants can get wrong is reversing a trailer, as you're
steering the car not the trailer.

I should include that in my lessons.


I've only driven with a trailer once in my life. Despite what I knew,
backing up was very hard.


--
Ken

Snit brought next idea :
Big Al wrote:
On 8/23/20 12:31 PM, this is what Snit wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life
is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car
accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine.
Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in
life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on
the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button
in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you
want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!"

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?


Don’t have an answer — but used to be on Linux there were dialogs almost
the exact same but with the buttons reversed. It was insane.

I'm there now. +1

Also the save or ok buttons are not always on the same side.


It is truly insane.

It is arguably safer.

On Aug 23, 2020 at 4:10:13 PM MST, "FromTheRafters"
wrote:

Snit brought next idea :
Big Al wrote:
On 8/23/20 12:31 PM, this is what Snit wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life
is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car
accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine.
Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in
life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on
the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button
in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you
want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!"

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?


Don’t have an answer — but used to be on Linux there were dialogs almost
the exact same but with the buttons reversed. It was insane.

I'm there now. +1

Also the save or ok buttons are not always on the same side.


It is truly insane.

It is arguably safer.

Maybe with a really, really weak argument.


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On Aug 23, 2020 at 4:06:20 PM MST, "Ken Blake" wrote:

On 8/23/2020 2:35 PM, Snit wrote:
On Aug 23, 2020 at 2:08:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:51:05 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:47:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:42:48 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:38:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:00:17 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life
is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car
accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine.
Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in
life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is
on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong
button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right.
"Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!"

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?

I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would
click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the
window.

Do you glance down at your car pedals each time to the labels you wrote on
them saying "brake" and "gas"?

Hard to do when still checking that turning the steering wheel clockwise
will
lead to me turning right... it is randomly decided each time I start the
car.


That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very tight spot
in a
small local garage. Other people had placed their cars in the way of the
exit. A mechanic said one of those things that gets on my nerves: "left
hand
down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over my shoulder
with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say "left" or "right". The car
will go the same way no matter which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on
the wheel makes it go right, in either gear!!


Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us
with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.

Going in reverse is THE SAME. The wheel goes the same way to make the car
go
to the right in either direction. How can anyone possibly get that wrong?

Work with people just learning. You will see.

The only thing incompetants can get wrong is reversing a trailer, as you're
steering the car not the trailer.

I should include that in my lessons.


I've only driven with a trailer once in my life. Despite what I knew,
backing up was very hard.


I have done it a couple times.. 15 passenger vans with trailers. I backed up
some, but not much, and did reasonably well.

First time driving one was in Zion on curvy roads where they driver had a
medical emergency... and the van was filled with teens. It was... interesting.
Everything turned out OK (and, if course, I did not drive backward on those
roads!)

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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2020-08-23, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:


Hasn't it always been called "MacOS"?

Nope. In the Classic days it was System 1, System 2, System 3, System 4,
Software System 5, Software System 6, Software System 7/Mac OS 7, Mac OS 8,
Mac OS 9... then Mac OS X, then OS X, then macOS.

nobody called it 'software system'.

it was called system 0.9 through 7.5.5, macos 7.6 through 9.2.2, then
mac os x and its variants with the associated cat & landmark names.

And somewhere in there the
older Mac was called "Classic" as it ran on the newer one.

nope. that's not why, nor is that even correct.

classic is the environment in which classic mac os (specifically 9.x)
could run. classic mac os is pre-mac os x.

Ah, the good ol' days

I remember using this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_Catcher

On 2020-08-23, Snit wrote:
On Aug 23, 2020 at 2:20:27 PM MST, "nospam" wrote:

In article , Snit
wrote:


That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very tight spot
in a
small local garage. Other people had placed their cars in the way of the
exit. A mechanic said one of those things that gets on my nerves: "left
hand
down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over my shoulder
with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say "left" or "right". The car
will go the same way no matter which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on
the wheel makes it go right, in either gear!!


Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.

anyone confused when backing up should not be driving.

It is like the ol' people should not use computers until they know how to use
them. LOL!

You're actually equating driving with using a computer?! LOL!

My child is *LEARNNG* to drive.

I hope to God you're nowhere near there

In article , Snit
wrote:

Hasn't it always been called "MacOS"?

Nope. In the Classic days it was System 1, System 2, System 3, System 4,
Software System 5, Software System 6, Software System 7/Mac OS 7, Mac OS
8, Mac OS 9... then Mac OS X, then OS X, then macOS.

nobody called it 'software system'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6
-----
System 6 (also referred to as System Software 6) ...
-----

yep, which proves your original claim to be false.

the official name was 'macintosh system software' but everyone called
it system 6 or whatever number it was, even after it was renamed to
macos.



it was called system 0.9 through 7.5.5, macos 7.6 through 9.2.2, then
mac os x and its variants with the associated cat & landmark names.

And somewhere in there the
older Mac was called "Classic" as it ran on the newer one.

nope.

Yes. Apple called it "Classic" when it run on OS X.

no they didn't.

'classic' is the environment in which classic mac os, specifically, mac
os 9, could run under mac os x, which is what i said and which you
snipped and will no doubt snip again because it proves you wrong.

https://developer.apple.com/library/.../Darwin/Concep
tual/KernelProgramming/art/osxlayers.gif

In article , Snit
wrote:

Unlike using Preference files to open apps which seemed to work pretty
much
universally.

'seemed to work pretty much' is a nice bunch of weasel words.

I already showed it worked with MS Word:

that's only *one* app

Yes, MS Word is only one app. I am glad you understand this.

once again you resort to your usual games after being cornered.

and not in any way representative of all mac apps.

What you snipped:

what *you* snipped and keep snipping because you don't understand it
and it shows you to be wrong is that an app has to special case prefs
files to do what you claim.

you found *one* app that did that and incorrectly assumed all apps do
that, which is false.

it is *not* an os level function and does not happen if the app doesn't
do anything special. windows apps could even implement the same
functionality, although there's no reason why any app on any platform
should bother.

In article op.0ptn2yvowdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

Yeah but Firefox is on about 70. Seems their programmers don't know what a decimal point is.

yes they do.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/

nearly all have sub-versions, some have quite a few.

version 68 had seventeen sub-versions, topping out at 68.11.0.
version 60 had twenty-one sub-versions, topping out at 60.9.0.
version 52 had twenty-three sub-versions, topping out at 52.9.0.
version 3.6 had the most at twenty-seven, topping out at 3.6.28.

In article , Snit
wrote:


Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us
with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.

anyone confused when backing up should not be driving.

It is like the ol' people should not use computers until they know how to use
them. LOL!

My child is *LEARNNG* to drive. Seriously, how can you miss such simple
concepts? I will admit, though, you do have a gift!

there's nothing to miss nor is there anything to teach.

even a toddler on a tricycle knows how to back up.

anyone who is confused when backing up or has any trouble at all with
it should not be driving. very simple.

On Aug 23, 2020 at 7:14:56 PM MST, "nospam" wrote:

In article , Snit
wrote:


Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us
with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.

anyone confused when backing up should not be driving.

It is like the ol' people should not use computers until they know how to
use
them. LOL!

My child is *LEARNNG* to drive. Seriously, how can you miss such simple
concepts? I will admit, though, you do have a gift!

there's nothing to miss nor is there anything to teach.

OK, teaching driving is something else you are ignorant about. Fair enough.

even a toddler on a tricycle knows how to back up.


anyone who is confused when backing up or has any trouble at all with
it should not be driving. very simple.

I do not deny you are that ignorant. Sure.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.