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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is
this a windows issue? Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Hardware isn't disposable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Who do I blame? |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
"Candace" wrote in message
... I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Hardware isn't disposable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Who do I blame? Microsoft. On company. Hardware makers. Many companies. You really expect Microsoft to support every piece of hardware that has ever existed, all hardware that currently exists, and all hardware that will exist sometime later? Get real. If the hardware maker wants their product usable under some operating system then it is up to them to figure out how to write an appropriate driver for that operating system. Some hardware vendors like to have the operating system support their hardware out-of-the-box so they go through the process of submitting their product to the operating system's author to get it okayed and included. That costs money and time which most hardware makers won't bother with. Whose fault is it that a light bulb burns out? The power company or the light bulb maker? Say you switch over from 120V to 240V. Is it the power company's fault that the hardware you choose to use doesn't support 240V? Come on, get real. Microsoft's responsibility is to THEIR product, not to support everyone else's product. A manufacturer claiming that some later version of an operating system is just making a wish that it does. Obviously how will a manufacturer actually know what IS that later operating system? They don't. They can only hope. It's called marketing! What if Microsoft finally wised up and started a whole separate line for an operating system that dumped all backward compatibility and started off on a bright new and smarter course for an operating system? Well, everything you have would be incompatible *if* YOU made the choice to switch. You are thinking in reverse. You pick what are your critical and/or required applications. You pick what you will need as regards to hardware to support those required tasks. You then lastly pick an operating system that lets you achieve those goals. If you have a vinyl LP then you get a record player. If you have a CD then you get a CD player. You don't go buying a gadget to play media that doesn't exist yet and then complain that the media never shows up. That was the risk you chose to take. If an operating system doesn't meet your criteria then don't use it. I have software and hardware that won't run under Windows XP (or any NT-based version of Windows) so it runs on a host or in a bootable partition with Windows 98. If you have hardware that is *critical* to your operations then use the operating system appropriate for it. You could use multibooting to load Windows XP to use that when you need it, boot to Windows 98 when you need that operating system, or boot to Linux or some other operating system for whatever critical functionality is required by that operating system. You could use Virtual PC or VMware to run concurrent instances of operating systems (with the incumbent performance degradation from sharing the hardware). However, I suspect your "critical" hardware is something like a scanner, joystick, or something else that really isn't critical as those can be replaced with compatible hardware. If you want to play your game then use the operating system that supports it. -- __________________________________________________ _______________ ******** Post replies to newsgroup - Share with others ******** Email: lh_811newsATyahooDOTcom and append "=NEWS=" to Subject. __________________________________________________ _______________ |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
"Candace" wrote in message
... I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Hardware isn't disposable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Who do I blame? Drivers for hardware are the responsibility of the hardware manufacturer. It would be unreasonable to expect manufacturers to make all hardware "forward" compatible with operating systems that do not at the time of their production yet exist. If the device in question is no longer going to be supported with new drivers by the manufacturer, or the device is simply of a design that can not be made to work with newer operating systems/computer architecture your choices are few. Bite the bullet and obtain hardware that is compatible with your newer operating system/computer or choose a configuration that allows you to continue to use the operating system with which the device is compatible. Thus is the nature of changing technologies. I'm sure somewhere NASA has a whole bunch of Apollo hardware the spent millions on that doesn't work in the Space Shuttle. I know I have a trunk full of old tape drives, slow CD ROMs and writers and other junk I can no longer use. I save them to give to friends, family and local organizations with older systems that can make use of them. I even have a handful of 1MB 30 pin SIMMS that I paid about $45.00 a piece for. (nobody wants those:-) ) Depending on what sort of devices your having problems with you might try (if available) a Windows 2000 driver. Those sometimes work under Windows XP -- D I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP. I was just trying to help. Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions or advice herein. No warranty is expressed or implied. Your mileage may vary. See store for details. Remove shoes to E-mail. |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
Candace wrote:
I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? Nope. Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. If the requirement was Windows 95, then the products are a decade old. Why should they still be supported?! One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. You could do that.... What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Donate them to charity. There are many charities who will take legacy hardware and donate it to schools in the 3rd World - your ancient hardware will make all the difference to the life of a schoolchild in Africa or India, for example. Hardware isn't disposable. No it isn't - it's donatable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? With something like a parallel port scanner you don't have any choice - Windows XP does *NOT* support the use of the parallel port for scanning. In fact, I can forsee a time when motherboards no longer have a parallel port - it's basically obsolete. Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Nope. There may be native drivers within Windows but, beyond that, not at all. The Windows drivers may not have all the features you were used to with the manufacturer's driver. Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. Oh come on! Use some common sense! Do you really think it makes good financial and business sense for a manufacturer to support their products ad infinitum?! Epson, for example, have produced 1000s of printers, scanners cameras and projectors over the years. If they had to support every single unit they'd ever manufactured back to the dawn of the company, they'd never have the resources to produce new products! Why is it "false advertising"?! Did they have a time machine?! Did they travel to the future to all the future releases of Windows?! Ye gods you are blonde! But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Nope. Of course you can't install 95 drivers under XP! Who do I blame? Yourself for being so ridiculously stupid! -- Facon - the artificial bacon bits you get in Pizza Hut for sprinkling on salads. |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
... Candace wrote: I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? snip Who do I blame? Yourself for being so ridiculously stupid! Well, perhaps more accurate is that it is not the hardware or software manufacturer's fault for the lack of education, lack of experience, and especially for the lack of planning by Candace. Candace voiced the uneducated opinion of the inexperienced. |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
I am just going to reply in a short and sweet response.
We are in an age where technology does not outlast our operating systems where it used to be the opposite maybe 7+ years ago. If you think XP is bad, you are going to love Longhorn. Longhorn will be the first OS to completely skip legacy hardware. That means that if you have a Sound Blaster PCI 128, a TNT2 video card, or a chipset that predates back to the early Athlon days, you will be out of luck. Anyway, enough of that tangent. What I am trying to say here is that hardware manufacturers pump out new hardware so fast that they are caring less and less about driver support for older devices. As newer products are sold cheaper then their predecessors, they are no longer taking that extra effort into R&D for anything older. Scanners have to be the worst for this sort of scenario. Do you know how many people complain that they can't find drivers for their old Visioneer scanner? Too many... In the end, is it the hardware manufacturers responsibility to keep the compatibility up to snuff, and also the consumers to make the effort to research the compatiblity before buying any piece of hardware. Did I mention that ATi stopped producing drivers for 98? |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
"Candace" wrote:
I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Hardware isn't disposable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Who do I blame? The hardware manufacturer. Providing drivers has always been their responsibility. Note that work-arounds and alternative drivers have been found for many items where the manufacturer did not provide drivers for Windows XP. If you could post a reply back here and include the make and model of the hardware items that you are having trouble with, someone may know of a solution. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much." |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
Hi Candace,
I have read all the other responses to your post, none of them mentioned, MS offers you a scan of your system to see if it is XP compatible!!! Did you do the scan and decide whether it would be worth your time and money to go to XP?? You had the chance to stick with your old system where your old hardware was happy, and I suppose you were too. Sad to say, in response to, "Who do I blame?", it's you. JAX "Candace" wrote in message ... I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Hardware isn't disposable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Who do I blame? |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
"Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said
(current) windows and higher." Higher at the time of manufacture - NOT at time of purchase or at ANY time in the future. I agree whole heartedly with JAX. When I upgraded to WinXP I new exactly what hardware would work and what required replacement. This information came from my own research prior to the upgrade. r. "JAX" wrote in message ... Hi Candace, I have read all the other responses to your post, none of them mentioned, MS offers you a scan of your system to see if it is XP compatible!!! Did you do the scan and decide whether it would be worth your time and money to go to XP?? You had the chance to stick with your old system where your old hardware was happy, and I suppose you were too. Sad to say, in response to, "Who do I blame?", it's you. JAX "Candace" wrote in message ... I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Hardware isn't disposable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Who do I blame? |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
Hi Mamniar,
Thanks for the support. "Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher." The OP stated, "When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher." I would interpret that to mean anything in current distribution, not to mean anything that may possibly come in the future. Would Henry Ford have guaranteed the wheels for his cars to fit a new Mustang? Things change, most not so rapidly as the computer world. Cheers, JAX "namniar" this@that wrote in message ... "Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher." Higher at the time of manufacture - NOT at time of purchase or at ANY time in the future. I agree whole heartedly with JAX. When I upgraded to WinXP I new exactly what hardware would work and what required replacement. This information came from my own research prior to the upgrade. r. "JAX" wrote in message ... Hi Candace, I have read all the other responses to your post, none of them mentioned, MS offers you a scan of your system to see if it is XP compatible!!! Did you do the scan and decide whether it would be worth your time and money to go to XP?? You had the chance to stick with your old system where your old hardware was happy, and I suppose you were too. Sad to say, in response to, "Who do I blame?", it's you. JAX "Candace" wrote in message ... I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Hardware isn't disposable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Who do I blame? |
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Oop's, Namniar
Two mistakes on my part, first I misspelled your name. Second, I forgot, the
OP made both statements. Happy computing, JAX "JAX" wrote in message ... Hi Mamniar, Thanks for the support. "Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher." The OP stated, "When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher." I would interpret that to mean anything in current distribution, not to mean anything that may possibly come in the future. Would Henry Ford have guaranteed the wheels for his cars to fit a new Mustang? Things change, most not so rapidly as the computer world. Cheers, JAX "namniar" this@that wrote in message ... "Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher." Higher at the time of manufacture - NOT at time of purchase or at ANY time in the future. I agree whole heartedly with JAX. When I upgraded to WinXP I new exactly what hardware would work and what required replacement. This information came from my own research prior to the upgrade. r. "JAX" wrote in message ... Hi Candace, I have read all the other responses to your post, none of them mentioned, MS offers you a scan of your system to see if it is XP compatible!!! Did you do the scan and decide whether it would be worth your time and money to go to XP?? You had the chance to stick with your old system where your old hardware was happy, and I suppose you were too. Sad to say, in response to, "Who do I blame?", it's you. JAX "Candace" wrote in message ... I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Hardware isn't disposable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Who do I blame? |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
Candace wrote:
I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Hardware isn't disposable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Who do I blame? Blame the system integrator - the person who decided that one piece of hardware provided by one vendor would be compatible with another piece of software provided by another vendor. Oh, that's you, eh? Didn't you check to see if the hardware in question was on the Hardware Compatibility List for XP? Live and learn. -- Cheers, Bob |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
In article , Vanguard no_email wrote:
"Candace" wrote in message ... I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? Or is this an issue of the hardware manufacturer. When I purchased these products, the system requirements were windows (maybe 95) and higher. One of the manufacturers told me the way to solve the problem was to put the hardware product in the trash. What should a consumer do when they have paid for products that they can no longer use? Hardware isn't disposable. I take good care of these things so that I can throw them away when they are still in good mechanical condition? Isn't someone responsible to provide updated drivers? Seems like they have falsely advertised their product when they said (current) windows and higher. But, can the manufacturer help that Windows XP doesn't support the old drivers? Who do I blame? Microsoft. On company. Hardware makers. Many companies. You really expect Microsoft to support every piece of hardware that has ever existed, all hardware that currently exists, and all hardware that will exist sometime later? Get real. If the hardware maker wants their product [... lots of words deleted] hardware). However, I suspect your "critical" hardware is something like a scanner, joystick, or something else that really isn't critical as those can be replaced with compatible hardware. If you want to play your game then use the operating system that supports it. Email: lh_811newsATyahooDOTcom and append "=NEWS=" to Subject. Microsoft Virtual PC and VMware are tools that make it possible to ancient stuff on the latest and greatest PC hardware. VM is great for old software apps and some hardware. You didn't name the products you're having problems with. If you did we'd have a better idea what the problem is. The short answer to you question is, as others have said, at length, is with the hardware manufacturer, and they are under no oblication to support a new OS after all these years. We've discarded lots of hardware that "still works". -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m ---- |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
Vanguard -- Show some respect! Not every person in this forum is computer
savy and computers aren't everybodies life. If we were all experts in this field, then there wouldn't be much need for this forum. -- Ed55 "Vanguard" wrote: "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message ... Candace wrote: I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? snip Who do I blame? Yourself for being so ridiculously stupid! Well, perhaps more accurate is that it is not the hardware or software manufacturer's fault for the lack of education, lack of experience, and especially for the lack of planning by Candace. Candace voiced the uneducated opinion of the inexperienced. |
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Who's fault is hardware compatibility?
Unfortunately Ed55, vanguard & Tick are both candidates for A$$hole of the
Year award. If you search their posts, its hit or miss if you will get a reasonable reply or some random venom caused by their misplaced superiority complexes. "Ed55" wrote in message ... Vanguard -- Show some respect! Not every person in this forum is computer savy and computers aren't everybodies life. If we were all experts in this field, then there wouldn't be much need for this forum. -- Ed55 "Vanguard" wrote: "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message ... Candace wrote: I'm having a problem with 2 hardware products that XP does not support. Is this a windows issue? snip Who do I blame? Yourself for being so ridiculously stupid! Well, perhaps more accurate is that it is not the hardware or software manufacturer's fault for the lack of education, lack of experience, and especially for the lack of planning by Candace. Candace voiced the uneducated opinion of the inexperienced. |
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