Mozilla Problems

In message , pyotr
filipivich writes:
SilverSlimer on Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:17:14 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
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to seek out intimate relationships. People CAN get intimate in Brave New
World; they just can't have lasting relationships. I'd say that while
both worlds are terrible, at least people can find some happiness in the
former.

And if not, there is always "Soma".

(Not to mention Soylent Green.)

Of course in this modern world, we have Social Media to wile the
hours away.

Ooh - cue Twilight Zone music: SOcial MediA!

And, if you recall, the whole idea of what we would consider a
"normal life" was viewed as just so old fashioned, if not to mention
somewhere between barbaric and uncouth.

Then there is medical Hot Fudge.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

All that glitters has a high refractive index.

On 2018-10-25 4:51 p.m., pyotr filipivich wrote:
SilverSlimer on Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:17:14 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2018-10-24 11:27 a.m., pyotr filipivich wrote:
"Mayayana" on Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:42:58
-0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| I suspect that far too many have no idea that Usenet even exists,
| let alone know what it is, or how to access it.
|

Yes. Odd, though, isn't it? When I tell friends they
could go get or share advice on nearly any topic
they show no interest. If it's not coming from
Google then.... well... it's not coming from Google!

Yep.

It is not "1984" which I fear, but "Brave New World". Where
people are so entertained / diverted, there is no need to "control"
information.

I'd say that Brave New World's universe is mostly harmless to the
individual because resources are essentially plentiful and there
actually ARE distractions to keep the individual entertained. In the
case of 1984, any reasonable use of your brain, access to your emotions
or desire for liberty is punished severely as is the natural inclination
to seek out intimate relationships. People CAN get intimate in Brave New
World; they just can't have lasting relationships. I'd say that while
both worlds are terrible, at least people can find some happiness in the
former.

And if not, there is always "Soma".

Of course in this modern world, we have Social Media to wile the
hours away.

And, if you recall, the whole idea of what we would consider a
"normal life" was viewed as just so old fashioned, if not to mention
somewhere between barbaric and uncouth.

I recall some of it but it has been a while since I read the book. What
I know for sure is that even though Brave New World was a work of
fiction, it was based on the elites' actual plan for humanity going
forward. I suppose it's nice to know that they weren't planning on just
massacring the lot of us.


--
SilverSlimer

"SilverSlimer" wrote

|
| And, if you recall, the whole idea of what we would consider a
| "normal life" was viewed as just so old fashioned, if not to mention
| somewhere between barbaric and uncouth.
|
| I recall some of it but it has been a while since I read the book.

I don't really remember it, either. But it sounds
like the two of you are talking about different
threats. You're worried about gov't leadership
becoming corrupt and creating a totalitarian
state. pyotr is talking about people enslaving
themselves in feeble-mindedness via the wide
array of physical, emotional, or intellectual
masturbation aids we now have access to.

I guess your view of that depends on whether
you think Grand Theft Auto and Twitter are
mindless addictions or top quality retail consumer
items. And that, in turn, will depend on how you
define "entertainment". Many people think of it
as one of life's great pleasures. And they pay
hundreds of dollars per month to get as much
as possible over their TV set. When the TV isn't
available they scroll their phones endlessly, through
posts and pictures from friends. Or they read novels.
Or they play video games. Or they go mountain
biking.

But that's really not any different from putting a
mobile over a baby's crib to stop them from crying.
Or giving them a pacifier.
Once you see it that way, the idea of ever more
alluring entertainment becomes disturbing. When people
are unable to sit still for even one minute without
being overwhelmed by anxiety it becomes very
easy to control them with mobiles. But the punch
line of that joke is that we do it to ourselves.
Caesar may have talked about controlling the masses
with "bread and circuses", but the masses also want
to be diddled.
The people giving us phones and Twitter and novels
and GTA and official exercise uniforms are, themselves,
just busy trying to find new ways to diddle themselves
in order to keep from freaking out. We get so lazy
that we can't be bothered to relate to our own
life. Instead we just constantly scan for the
shiniest bauble in our field of vision and try to
engage it somehow. Who can be bothered figuring
out how to type a URL? It's not "fun".

If people get too sophisticated and start to see
through their own habits, they can follow a super-
diddle-guru like Steve Jobs, who will explain that his
mega-diddling devices actually represent a way to
"think different". Look kids, you can become a brilliant
non-conformist, a one-of-a-kind genius, if you just do
exactly as I tell you and go back to sleep.

I remember once seeing a documentary about some
kind of Eskimo-type people. When it came time to hunt
seals, they'd hike a long distance to the place where
they knew the seals would arrive on their migration
route. Then they sat and waited. For days. No crossword
puzzles. No video games. It struck me that the idea of
diddling themselves -- physically, emotionally, or
intellectually -- didn't even occur to them. It was just
life. They sat and waited. If one of them had started
drawing stick figures on the ground with a twig, the others
probably would have thought he was batty. Yet in our
modern world, someone simply being present in their
life is considered batty. Maybe they're having a seizure,
or maybe they're simple-minded. Maybe their phone
battery ran out. Maybe we should lend them our
iPad or our GameBoy. Or we could give them a book.
Their incessant inactivity is heart wrenching!

Apropos of that would be Plato's allegory of the cave.
Though I think he was addressing a more fundamental
level of self-deception. But the problem of hypnotic
entertainment described -- avoiding existential angst
through diddling -- is basically the same. The people in
the cave just lacked headphones and HD video.

In message , Mayayana
writes:
[]
"think different". Look kids, you can become a brilliant
non-conformist, a one-of-a-kind genius, if you just do
exactly as I tell you and go back to sleep.
[]
The Pythons had that well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY
(it's only 44 seconds).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

It's OK to be tight on
The seafront at Brighton
But I say, by Jove
Watch out if it's Hove.
- Sister Monica Joan, quoted by Jennifer Worth (author of the Call the
Midwife books, quoted in Radio Times 19-25 January 2013)

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:49 -0700, freemantle
wrote:

Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

Junk !

Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG !

Can't they write code ?

If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !

Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?

Do yourself a favor and NEVER use any mozilla crapware again. Mozilla
software is pure garbage.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| "think different". Look kids, you can become a brilliant
| non-conformist, a one-of-a-kind genius, if you just do
| exactly as I tell you and go back to sleep.

| The Pythons had that well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY
| (it's only 44 seconds).

I should watch that again. I haven't seen it
since it first came out. I guess that was in
the 70s.