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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:05:53 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: "Mayayana" on Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:17:36 -0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: That's the nice thing about newsgroups. I find it odd that more people don't use public newsgroups. They let Facebook control their lives. They let Reddit require membership and "vote" their posts up or down. And in the Mozilla group or Microsoft forums it's similar: Privately owned, quasi-marketing forums that filter minority opinions. Yet people somehow prefer that humiliation to the "public square" of usenet. I suspect that far too many have no idea that Usenet even exists, let alone know what it is, or how to access it. Ditto to all three of those statements. Microsoft, by moving all its forum to their web site, has done a great job of killing Usenet. |
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After serious thinking freemantle wrote :
Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not. This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC. Latest version for both OS. The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox ! I have to use another program to kill FireFox. I'm subscribed to Familysearch and every time I visit that site, it locks FF up completely. Some other less frequented sites have the same effect. It locks all of the open FF tabs - The only way out it via using Win10's Task Manager and Close Program. So, for that one site, I have to open Microsoft Edge, which works fine though I prefer FF. |
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nospam wrote:
In article , VanguardLH wrote: A dislike of Brave is that its author has an inbuilt adblocker but deliberately lets paying advertisers get through. that's not how it works. https://brave.com/faq/#allowing-ads Ads and trackers are blocked by default. You can allow ads and trackers in the preferences panel. Later, as mentioned above, Brave will let you opt into receiving a reduced ad load that comes without trackers, maintains your privacy and helps support the publishers you like. From the Arstechnica article: Double dip It's one thing for a Web browser to block ads by default, but quite another for that Web browser to insert its own ads and generate revenue in the process. You really think Eich has his own ads? Nope. Those "own ads" are those the advertisers paid to circumvent his inbuilt adblocker. Brave also has a rewards system but I'll let you read about it. https://brave.com/faq/#brave-payments They try to make it sound like users are getting rewarded. Wrong. The "grants" given to users gets donated to the sites the user most visits. This is akin to when coal mining companies paid their employees in script that could only be spent at the company store, like how rebates from Menards are script that can only be spent at Menards. https://brave.com/brave-users-get-rewarded-to-browse/ https://brave.com/brave-launches-use...or-opt-in-ads/ https://www.ccn.com/brave-announces-...rds-for-users/ Even Eich doesn't lie that Brave has an ad model. Rewarding the ad sources is how Eich is trying to dig into the web browser marketplace. Rewarding sites to play nice in their ad content isn't new. Adblocker Plus did the same thing with their whitelist of acceptable ad sources which was enabled by default and enraged lots of users of that extension. It was an attempt to coerce unacceptable site to become acceptable in the ad behavior and content. |
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In message , Paul
writes: [] Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ? [] For a newsreader, there are some crusty ones, but there [] There are other options, but nothing are refined as Thunderbird or Agent. Some mail tools pretend to do USENET as well, but that doesn't always end well. [] "Pretend"? As far as the user is concerned, I don't know about any pretence: OE, Turnpike, and Thunderbird all succeed. (What's going on "under the hood" - like TB being mostly a browser - doesn't bother me.) As for not ending well, I'm not going to take that challenge: I prefer to put it as "some people do not like that idea, some do", or something like that. The only argument against it that cuts any ice with me is the suggestion that one might forget which one was using and post when you meant to email or vice versa. I concede the possibility; in practice, I think I've come across maybe five or ten examples in 30 years or so of posts that were intended as emails, which is the more drastic way round. (That's not counting gmail users misled by Google Groups' user interface, which isn't part of that discussion.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf (Petitions - at least e-petitions - should collect votes both for and against, if they're going to be reported as indicative of public opinion. If you agree, please click below, unless you already have.) [UK only] https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...BYobumelL9J54c One of my tricks as an armchair futurist is to "predict" things that are already happening and watch people tell me it will never happen. Scott Adams, 2015-3-9 |
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In article , VanguardLH
wrote: A dislike of Brave is that its author has an inbuilt adblocker but deliberately lets paying advertisers get through. that's not how it works. https://brave.com/faq/#allowing-ads Ads and trackers are blocked by default. You can allow ads and trackers in the preferences panel. Later, as mentioned above, Brave will let you opt into receiving a reduced ad load that comes without trackers, maintains your privacy and helps support the publishers you like. From the Arstechnica article: stop reading articles and try using the app. i've been using it since the early summer. it blocks ads and a lot of other garbage, and it's actually very good at doing so. there is an *opt* *in* alternative, which is entirely voluntary. |
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In message , VanguardLH
writes: [] Web browsers are the biggest infection vector (and so is e-mail) Make your mind up (-: [] I don't use combination clients. If you've been in Usenet for awhile, you'll see where someone composed a message intending to send it to a specific person via e-mail but instead posted it publicly in Usenet. That's the only criticism (apart from "you can't do both optimally") I've seen for "combination clients". And I think I've seen about five to ten examples - in over 30 years. [Not counting gmail users misled by Google Groups' atrocious UI, which is nothing to do with clients.] [] extensions that performed overlapping functions, many got abandoned (and another reason Mozilla changed to WebExtensions to shake off all the abandonware) I find a lot of good stuff in abandonware (not just Firefox extensions). [] well over a decade. Even ancient NNTP clients work very well. I use [] Not everything (web, email, newsgroups) needs to get rolled into one client. Handyman of several trades means less than stellar expertise in But some of us _like_ a common interface for email and news. However, I'm not saying _you_ _should_ use a combined client - just that I get a little tired of others saying _I_ _shouldn't_. any one trade. Not all ancient clients are useless. NNTP has changed little, so old newsreaders work just fine. Unless you need to use a proprietary protocol (Microsoft's Exchange or Google's mail API) and just need POP, IMAP, or SMTP for e-mail, then old e-mail clients still work very well (um, except regarding secured connections which many servers requires SSL 3.0 or TLS 2.0, or later). Which things like stunnel can solve, I gather. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf (Petitions - at least e-petitions - should collect votes both for and against, if they're going to be reported as indicative of public opinion. If you agree, please click below, unless you already have.) [UK only] https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...BYobumelL9J54c The early worm gets the bird. |
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote
| I suspect that far too many have no idea that Usenet even exists, | let alone know what it is, or how to access it. | Yes. Odd, though, isn't it? When I tell friends they could go get or share advice on nearly any topic they show no interest. If it's not coming from Google then.... well... it's not coming from Google! |
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nospam wrote:
In article , VanguardLH wrote: A dislike of Brave is that its author has an inbuilt adblocker but deliberately lets paying advertisers get through. that's not how it works. https://brave.com/faq/#allowing-ads Ads and trackers are blocked by default. You can allow ads and trackers in the preferences panel. Later, as mentioned above, Brave will let you opt into receiving a reduced ad load that comes without trackers, maintains your privacy and helps support the publishers you like. From the Arstechnica article: stop reading articles and try using the app. i've been using it since the early summer. it blocks ads and a lot of other garbage, and it's actually very good at doing so. there is an *opt* *in* alternative, which is entirely voluntary. Sorry, I forgot I was talking to a delusional poster who thinks he is God. brave.com must be lying about the Brave web browser. Eich must be lying about his web browser. nospam must be correct because, gee, he is our God here and how he thinks things should be is how they must be. |
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On 2018-10-23 1:34 p.m., VanguardLH wrote:
SilverSlimer wrote: On 2018-10-23 1:58 a.m., freemantle wrote: Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not. This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC. Latest version for both OS. The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox ! I have to use another program to kill FireFox. Junk ! Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG ! Can't they write code ? If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post ! Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ? You can always use Brave which is developed by the guy who originally created Mozilla (Brendan Eich). He was kicked out of Mozilla for donating to an organization which believed in traditional families (unthinkable in this day and age where dressing up as a dog for sexual gratification is normal). A dislike of Brave is that its author has an inbuilt adblocker but deliberately lets paying advertisers get through. Guess Eich wasn't making enough money at Mozilla, so he came up with a revenue-generating model for a web browser. He also jumped ships moving from Gecko/Quantum (Firefox) to Blink (Chromium). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_...ical_reception https://arstechnica.com/information-...ds-by-default/ Only if Brave lets you disable its own adblocker and install a 3rd party extension for adblocking that YOU can configure as to what it blocks would I bother trialing it. I see a few extensions listed at https://brave.com/features/. Are others allowed? https://brave.com/loading-chrome-extensions-in-brave/ Hmm, guess you can use Chrom(e|ium) extensions in Brave. But can you disable Brave's own ad-allowing, er, adblocking function to rely solely on your choice of an adblocker extension? There is also Vivaldi which uses the same base as Chrome but has none of Google's spyware in it. So, your suggesting is to move from Firefox or any of its variants to Chromium or one of those variants. I think that Eich's approach to Brave is that it would have everything a user is likely to need built-in. For that, I can't really fault him. Regardless of how simple it is, I do believe that many Firefox users are entirely unaware of the fact that the browser allows them to install additional features to enhance their browsing experience. I don't use Brave myself because I like some DRM-enabled content and Brave doesn't support that (in Linux at least) but it seems like a good choice for many people. I prefer Vivaldi myself. -- SilverSlimer |
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On 2018-10-23 1:38 p.m., nospam wrote:
In article , VanguardLH wrote: A dislike of Brave is that its author has an inbuilt adblocker but deliberately lets paying advertisers get through. that's not how it works. https://brave.com/faq/#allowing-ads Ads and trackers are blocked by default. You can allow ads and trackers in the preferences panel. Later, as mentioned above, Brave will let you opt into receiving a reduced ad load that comes without trackers, maintains your privacy and helps support the publishers you like. That's what I thought but I imagined that Vanguard was referring to some sort of recent development I was unaware of. Brave essentially allows you to block all ads, allow them all or allow only the "ethical" ones which adopted Brave's system. I don't know if any did but, in the meantime, people who feel that their favourite sites deserve compensation as a result of ad revenue lost can donate to them through cryptocurrency automatically. -- SilverSlimer |
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SilverSlimer wrote:
On 2018-10-23 1:34 p.m., VanguardLH wrote: SilverSlimer wrote: On 2018-10-23 1:58 a.m., freemantle wrote: Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not. This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC. Latest version for both OS. The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox ! I have to use another program to kill FireFox. Junk ! Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG ! Can't they write code ? If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post ! Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ? You can always use Brave which is developed by the guy who originally created Mozilla (Brendan Eich). He was kicked out of Mozilla for donating to an organization which believed in traditional families (unthinkable in this day and age where dressing up as a dog for sexual gratification is normal). A dislike of Brave is that its author has an inbuilt adblocker but deliberately lets paying advertisers get through. Guess Eich wasn't making enough money at Mozilla, so he came up with a revenue-generating model for a web browser. He also jumped ships moving from Gecko/Quantum (Firefox) to Blink (Chromium). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_...ical_reception https://arstechnica.com/information-...ds-by-default/ Only if Brave lets you disable its own adblocker and install a 3rd party extension for adblocking that YOU can configure as to what it blocks would I bother trialing it. I see a few extensions listed at https://brave.com/features/. Are others allowed? https://brave.com/loading-chrome-extensions-in-brave/ Hmm, guess you can use Chrom(e|ium) extensions in Brave. But can you disable Brave's own ad-allowing, er, adblocking function to rely solely on your choice of an adblocker extension? There is also Vivaldi which uses the same base as Chrome but has none of Google's spyware in it. So, your suggesting is to move from Firefox or any of its variants to Chromium or one of those variants. I think that Eich's approach to Brave is that it would have everything a user is likely to need built-in. For that, I can't really fault him. Regardless of how simple it is, I do believe that many Firefox users are entirely unaware of the fact that the browser allows them to install additional features to enhance their browsing experience. I don't use Brave myself because I like some DRM-enabled content and Brave doesn't support that (in Linux at least) but it seems like a good choice for many people. I prefer Vivaldi myself. https://community.brave.com/t/amazon...drm-issue/1627 You sure Brave doesn't support DRM content (using the Widevine plug-in)? https://www.willchatham.com/internet...es-my-default/ Looks like Google is going to remove the option to disable their Widevine plug-in. Oops, already happened ... https://www.ghacks.net/2017/01/29/go...s-from-chrome/ You can't even go to chrome://plugins anymore. Brave still lets users disable the WideVine plug-in. I don't know the default or install-time default for that plug-in and why I pointed at the forum thread about how to enable that plug-in. https://www.ghacks.net/2018/09/28/br...brave-1-0-out/ Yikes, I didn't realize Brave was just out of dev phase and just got into a beta release. Tis one of the reasons I didn't bother with Vivaldi for a long time. At the bottom of the brave.com pages, there is a "Build Channels" section, and it has a link to Brave Release (versus Brave Dev and Brave Beta). Maybe it just went out of beta in the last month. https://brave.com/new-brave-browser-...eral-download/ Hmm, looks like they published a released (GA = general availability) version on October 18 ... just 5 days ago. Yet their blog says the released version is 0.55, not 1.0. With other products, anything less than 1.0 is a beta or alpha version. |
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:45:45 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , VanguardLH wrote: A dislike of Brave is that its author has an inbuilt adblocker but deliberately lets paying advertisers get through. that's not how it works. https://brave.com/faq/#allowing-ads Ads and trackers are blocked by default. You can allow ads and trackers in the preferences panel. Later, as mentioned above, Brave will let you opt into receiving a reduced ad load that comes without trackers, maintains your privacy and helps support the publishers you like. From the Arstechnica article: stop reading articles and try using the app. i've been using it since the early summer. it blocks ads and a lot of other garbage, and it's actually very good at doing so. there is an *opt* *in* alternative, which is entirely voluntary. Use punctuation. |
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:24:22 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Mayayana wrote: That's the nice thing about newsgroups. I find it odd that more people don't use public newsgroups. usenet doesn't get the traffic that web forums do, other than spam, which web forums block or remove. Yes it does. They let Facebook control their lives. no they don't. Yes they do. They let Reddit require membership usenet requires a membership with a usenet provider. But not punctuation. and "vote" their posts up or down. that's one of the best parts, which makes it easier to sort through the crap and find the helpful posts. many web forums do that. They should block posters who don't punctuate. And in the Mozilla group or Microsoft forums it's similar: Privately owned, quasi-marketing forums that filter minority opinions. create your own forum and filter as you see fit. Yet people somehow prefer that humiliation to the "public square" of usenet. the 'public square' is why usenet is overrun with spam. And people who don't punctuate. |
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:55:25 -0500, Mathedman
wrote: On 23/10/2018 (date fixed) 12:58 AM, freemantle wrote: Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not. This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC. Latest version for both OS. The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox ! I have to use another program to kill FireFox. Junk ! Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG ! Can't they write code ? If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post ! Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ? Chrome is malware! It also does tracking info for Google. I unfortunately got it for "free" with some small freeware software. (apparently google bought up all those little applets that used to bee free-ware or share-ware. I've tried everything I know to try and could/can not get it all removed Just don't use Chrome. |
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On 2018-10-23 3:53 p.m., Harry Bloomfield wrote:
After serious thinking freemantle wrote : Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not. This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC. Latest version for both OS. The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox ! I have to use another program to kill FireFox. I'm subscribed to Familysearch and every time I visit that site, it locks FF up completely. Some other less frequented sites have the same effect. It locks all of the open FF tabs - The only way out it via using Win10's Task Manager and Close Program. So, for that one site, I have to open Microsoft Edge, which works fine though I prefer FF. I assume it's Familysearch.com? -- SilverSlimer |
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