Windows Updates is offering MS Office 2007 updates - but I have Office2000 installed (?)

On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:21:17 -0400, "David H. Lipman"
wrote:

From: "Char Jackson"

Why not just admit that you misread the OP's post and move on? We all
make mistakes. Any why the snarky "Why is this so hard for you"?

Because he wrote such a lenthy reply ;-)

;-)

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
What is so hard to understand? If you go to Windows updates or
Office
updates and if you have Office 2000 SR-1, Microsoft will show you
*no* updates for Office 2000 at all. No matter how unpatched your
Office 2000 is. The reason is because that Microsoft has drop
support for Office 2000 and also removed the Office 2000 patches.

So when I try to help the guy out, you have to play mind games with
people and act foolish. Don't you have other people to bother
instead? Wife, brother, kids, dog, or something?

smh. One-track mind. The question was not at any point "how do I
find Office 2000 updates". Yes, the support cycle is over for Office
2000. Once support has ended for any product, automatic updates are
no longer available, updates must be obtained through the Download
Center. So, you want to give the OP info about the unavailability of
Office
2000 updates via automatic updates... all well and good. My point is
that you never once addressed the original question, not once.

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to
help them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000 because
they are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information? You've
GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the web... any
search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.


Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to Office
Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At NO
time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update". There
have not been automatic updates available from Office Update site for
a few years, and they were never available from Windows Update.
Automatic updates for supported versions of Office are only available
from Microsoft Update, which is a different service than Windows
Update. Office Update transferred its updating to Microsoft Update
some time ago. FYI....

For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for Office
2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how that works
except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which I too have seen.
And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were done through Windows
Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office updates can be had through
the single Microsoft Update site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update

Office Updates were never done through Windows Update for any version,
that I have seen, going back to office 95 and 97. Windows Update did
not include Office products or updates.... Office was always kept
separate until the advent of Microsoft Update.

--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:15:45 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to help
them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000 because they
are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

In that case, we're extremely fortunate to have you as a resource.

On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
What is so hard to understand? If you go to Windows updates or Office
updates and if you have Office 2000 SR-1, Microsoft will show you
*no* updates for Office 2000 at all. No matter how unpatched your
Office 2000 is. The reason is because that Microsoft has drop
support for Office 2000 and also removed the Office 2000 patches.

So when I try to help the guy out, you have to play mind games with
people and act foolish. Don't you have other people to bother
instead? Wife, brother, kids, dog, or something?

smh. One-track mind. The question was not at any point "how do I
find Office 2000 updates". Yes, the support cycle is over for Office
2000. Once support has ended for any product, automatic updates are
no longer available, updates must be obtained through the Download
Center. So, you want to give the OP info about the unavailability of
Office
2000 updates via automatic updates... all well and good. My point is
that you never once addressed the original question, not once.

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to
help them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000 because
they are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information? You've
GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the web... any
search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to Office
Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At NO
time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update". There
have not been automatic updates available from Office Update site for
a few years, and they were never available from Windows Update.
Automatic updates for supported versions of Office are only available
from Microsoft Update, which is a different service than Windows
Update. Office Update transferred its updating to Microsoft Update
some time ago. FYI....

For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for Office
2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how that works
except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which I too have seen.
And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were done through Windows
Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office updates can be had through
the single Microsoft Update site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update

Office Updates were never done through Windows Update for any version,
that I have seen, going back to office 95 and 97. Windows Update did not
include Office products or updates.... Office was always kept separate
until the advent of Microsoft Update.

Really, refresh my memory where we got Office 95 and Office 97 updates
from? And Office Update is the wrong answer since they were never there.
And while my memory isn't 100% perfect, but Wikipedia's memory says the
same thing.

Also odd, this web site says to go to Windows Update to get Office 97
updates:

http://www.ehow.com/how_6396430_upda...office-97.html

Now why on earth would they say that Glen? Could it be that you don't
know what you are talking about? Naw, that couldn't be, right Glen?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

On 5/17/2012 3:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:15:45 -0500, wrote:

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to help
them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000 because they
are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

In that case, we're extremely fortunate to have you as a resource.

What's the problem Char?

Assumptive 1: I assumed the OP wanted to know why they were being
offered Office 2007 update because they have Office 2000.

Assumption 2: I assumed the OP thought that Microsoft would keep their
Office 2000 updated.

So I cleared these two up if they had these misunderstandings. I kept
this list for myself and I have offered it to others who wants to know
how to manually update Office 2000, since there isn't any means to
automatically update Office 2000 anymore.

The people who needed to update Office 2000 so far has always thanked
me. And the *******s who could careless criticizes me for trying to help
others. You know like Glen, David, and yourself.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:04:06 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 5/17/2012 3:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:15:45 -0500, wrote:

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to help
them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000 because they
are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

In that case, we're extremely fortunate to have you as a resource.

What's the problem Char?

Assumptive 1: I assumed the OP wanted to know why they were being
offered Office 2007 update because they have Office 2000.

Assumption 2: I assumed the OP thought that Microsoft would keep their
Office 2000 updated.

You know what happens when you assume, right?

On Thu, 17 May 2012 16:41:05 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:

smh. One-track mind. The question was not at any point "how do I
find Office 2000 updates". Yes, the support cycle is over for Office
2000. Once support has ended for any product, automatic updates are
no longer available, updates must be obtained through the Download
Center. So, you want to give the OP info about the unavailability of
Office
2000 updates via automatic updates... all well and good. My point is
that you never once addressed the original question, not once.

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to
help them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000 because
they are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information? You've
GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the web... any
search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Who is this "we" that you always talk about? Do you have multiple
personalities?

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 16:41:05 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:

smh. One-track mind. The question was not at any point "how do I
find Office 2000 updates". Yes, the support cycle is over for
Office 2000. Once support has ended for any product, automatic
updates are no longer available, updates must be obtained through
the Download Center. So, you want to give the OP info about the
unavailability of Office
2000 updates via automatic updates... all well and good. My point
is that you never once addressed the original question, not once.

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
Office 2000 because they are very unlikely to find it any place
else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information?
You've GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the
web... any search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Who is this "we" that you always talk about? Do you have multiple
personalities?

No lots of friends Char.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:04:06 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 5/17/2012 3:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:15:45 -0500,
wrote:

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
Office 2000 because they are very unlikely to find it any place
else except from me.

In that case, we're extremely fortunate to have you as a resource.

What's the problem Char?

Assumptive 1: I assumed the OP wanted to know why they were being
offered Office 2007 update because they have Office 2000.

Assumption 2: I assumed the OP thought that Microsoft would keep
their Office 2000 updated.

You know what happens when you assume, right?

Not in this case Char. If I assumed wrong, nothing changes.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:48:01 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 16:41:05 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:

smh. One-track mind. The question was not at any point "how do I
find Office 2000 updates". Yes, the support cycle is over for
Office 2000. Once support has ended for any product, automatic
updates are no longer available, updates must be obtained through
the Download Center. So, you want to give the OP info about the
unavailability of Office
2000 updates via automatic updates... all well and good. My point
is that you never once addressed the original question, not once.

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
Office 2000 because they are very unlikely to find it any place
else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information?
You've GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the
web... any search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Who is this "we" that you always talk about? Do you have multiple
personalities?

No lots of friends Char.

I think you left out two commas, which changes things somewhat.
Anyway, where are the 'we' folk? How come they never speak? Are they
mice in your pocket?

On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:50:15 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:04:06 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 5/17/2012 3:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:15:45 -0500,
wrote:

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
Office 2000 because they are very unlikely to find it any place
else except from me.

In that case, we're extremely fortunate to have you as a resource.

What's the problem Char?

Assumptive 1: I assumed the OP wanted to know why they were being
offered Office 2007 update because they have Office 2000.

Assumption 2: I assumed the OP thought that Microsoft would keep
their Office 2000 updated.

You know what happens when you assume, right?

Not in this case Char. If I assumed wrong, nothing changes.

Nothing changes? You answered a question that was never asked.

replies inline, below...

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
snip
Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to
help them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000
because
they are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information?
You've
GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the web... any
search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!


Simple... go to http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/search.aspx
Type Office 2000 in the Search box at the top, and press the Enter key.
Very easy.


Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to Office
Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At NO
time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update". There
have not been automatic updates available from Office Update site
for
a few years, and they were never available from Windows Update.
Automatic updates for supported versions of Office are only
available
from Microsoft Update, which is a different service than Windows
Update. Office Update transferred its updating to Microsoft Update
some time ago. FYI....

For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for
Office
2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how that works
except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which I too have
seen.
And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were done through Windows
Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office updates can be had
through
the single Microsoft Update site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update

Office Updates were never done through Windows Update for any
version,
that I have seen, going back to office 95 and 97. Windows Update did
not
include Office products or updates.... Office was always kept
separate
until the advent of Microsoft Update.

Really, refresh my memory where we got Office 95 and Office 97 updates
from? And Office Update is the wrong answer since they were never
there. And while my memory isn't 100% perfect, but Wikipedia's memory
says the same thing.

Also odd, this web site says to go to Windows Update to get Office 97
updates:

http://www.ehow.com/how_6396430_upda...office-97.html

Now why on earth would they say that Glen? Could it be that you don't
know what you are talking about? Naw, that couldn't be, right Glen?


Because they are incorrect. Wikipedia and Ehow are your go-to sources?
The Wikipedia page says nothing about Office Updates being available via
Windows Update service. Ehow is wrong.

Office Updates prior to 1998 came from www.microsoft.com/office where
there were updates listed among the Office downloads available, in an
area called Free Stuff and Software Library, I believe.... plus an
Office 97 Version Checker tool you could download and run to determine
if you had the necessary prerequisites for a particular service pack.
You searched and downloaded manually. Updates were also available for
Office 97 on Microsoft Tools on the Web.

I believe it was in 1998 sometime, the site was changed to
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com. It did not yet support automatic
updates, so you had to find the updates yourself till they added a
scanner to do it for you on the site that worked with Office 2000 and
newer. You could, however, become a member of Office Update and get
email notifications of new add-ins and updates. Automatic updates
directly on your computer, for Office, came later.

How did YOU get updates for Office 95 and 97, Bill? Surely you used
them and got updates, no? I know you didn't get them via Windows
Update, because it only had updates for Windows and it's components,
including IE/OE.

--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

In ,
glee typed on Fri, 18 May 2012 03:53:55 -0400:
replies inline, below...

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
snip
Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
Office 2000 because
they are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information?
You've
GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the web...
any search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Simple... go to http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/search.aspx
Type Office 2000 in the Search box at the top, and press the Enter
key. Very easy.

Easy? Your idea of easy and mine are totally different. Neither the OP
nor I have the time to weed through 387 hits. I always knew you always
waste my time. But I didn't know that you also waste other's time
as well.

Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to Office
Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At NO
time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update".
There have not been automatic updates available from Office Update
site for a few years, and they were never available from Windows
Update. Automatic updates for supported versions of Office are
only available from Microsoft Update, which is a different service
than Windows Update. Office Update transferred its updating to
Microsoft Update some time ago. FYI....

For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for
Office 2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how that
works except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which I too
have seen. And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were done
through Windows Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office updates
can be had through the single Microsoft Update site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update

Office Updates were never done through Windows Update for any
version, that I have seen, going back to office 95 and 97. Windows
Update did not include Office products or updates.... Office was
always kept separate until the advent of Microsoft Update.

Really, refresh my memory where we got Office 95 and Office 97
updates from? And Office Update is the wrong answer since they were
never there. And while my memory isn't 100% perfect, but Wikipedia's
memory says the same thing.

Also odd, this web site says to go to Windows Update to get Office 97
updates:

http://www.ehow.com/how_6396430_upda...office-97.html

Now why on earth would they say that Glen? Could it be that you don't
know what you are talking about? Naw, that couldn't be, right Glen?

Because they are incorrect. Wikipedia and Ehow are your go-to
sources? The Wikipedia page says nothing about Office Updates being
available via Windows Update service. Ehow is wrong.

Both Wikipedia and Ehow allow people to correct their content. If you
feel they are in error, feel free to correct them, no big deal.
Microsoft is also sometimes wrong, but Microsoft has no means for
somebody to correct their errors.

Office Updates prior to 1998 came from www.microsoft.com/office where
there were updates listed among the Office downloads available, in an
area called Free Stuff and Software Library, I believe.... plus an
Office 97 Version Checker tool you could download and run to determine
if you had the necessary prerequisites for a particular service pack.
You searched and downloaded manually. Updates were also available for
Office 97 on Microsoft Tools on the Web.

I believe it was in 1998 sometime, the site was changed to
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com. It did not yet support automatic
updates, so you had to find the updates yourself till they added a
scanner to do it for you on the site that worked with Office 2000 and
newer. You could, however, become a member of Office Update and get
email notifications of new add-ins and updates. Automatic updates
directly on your computer, for Office, came later.

Office 97 was never updated through www.microsoft.com/office for one.
And I am looking at my Office 2000 CD and it says
www.microsoft.com/office right on the jewel box. And Wikipedia says the
exact same thing.

How did YOU get updates for Office 95 and 97, Bill? Surely you used
them and got updates, no? I know you didn't get them via Windows
Update, because it only had updates for Windows and it's components,
including IE/OE.

I never had Office 95 and I hated Office 97 because it crashed all of
the time. And I don't recall how I update Office 97 anymore. But I do
recall the update called Office 2000 that actually fixed Office 97. And
Office 2000 was stable and Office 97 was not.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I never had Office 95 and I hated Office 97 because it crashed all
of the time. And I don't recall how I update Office 97 anymore.
But I do recall the update called Office 2000 that actually fixed
Office 97. And Office 2000 was stable and Office 97 was not.

In a former job I supported hundreds of Office 97 users. There were
absolutely no such "crashing all the time" problem. I used Office 97
myself for many years, and I don't remember it ever crashing. It's one
of the most stable things I had ever seem come out of Microsoft at that
time. Much more so than Office 95, which DID tend to crash, which is
why we got rid of it when 97 was available. Office 2003, which I now
use, is also solid as a rock.

Nobody else has the constant computer problems you do. I wonder why
that is?

In ,
Nil typed:
On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I never had Office 95 and I hated Office 97 because it crashed all
of the time. And I don't recall how I update Office 97 anymore.
But I do recall the update called Office 2000 that actually fixed
Office 97. And Office 2000 was stable and Office 97 was not.

In a former job I supported hundreds of Office 97 users. There were
absolutely no such "crashing all the time" problem. I used Office 97
myself for many years, and I don't remember it ever crashing. It's one
of the most stable things I had ever seem come out of Microsoft at
that time. Much more so than Office 95, which DID tend to crash,
which is why we got rid of it when 97 was available. Office 2003,
which I now use, is also solid as a rock.

Nobody else has the constant computer problems you do. I wonder why
that is?

That is because I explain this over and over again and dupes like you
still don't get it. And unlike dupes like you, some of us push our
software to the limits. And when we do, we find flaws in the software.
Just like your grandmother isn't likely to find a stability problem with
her automobile. But a professional test driver will. Same idea.

And I don't know why you think that it was only I who had stability
problems with Office 97 either. As a simple Internet search will show
you are full of it. For example:

What limits? For example, some resource leaks in Office 97 and
Windows 98 caused it to go unstable after a few hours. I know
about such so I know to avoid commiting any support to that
issue. Point? Know what limits are there and don't tell anyone
it works. -- Bob

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6129_102...ce-in-word-97/

If you're using Office 97, you have my condolences. It's
unstable, ornery, and lacks all sorts of important features
that appeared in Office 2000. That said, I know many of you
plod along with it, and I know how hard it is to get the bean
counters (and even, surprisingly, the IT folks in some shops)
to get with the system. -- kaplinb

http://windowssecrets.com/forums/sho...XP-(Off-97-SR1)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2