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  #1  
Old July 25th 04, 11:04 PM
Dave Bullar
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I have an older computer with winxp prof as operating system (and win98 by
dual-boot).
Have just ordered a faster new machine with no op system.
How do I go about installing winxp on the new machine and presumably taking
it off the old one?
and what do I have to do to get the move approved by Microsoft?
Any help or pointers appreciated

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Old July 26th 04, 12:04 AM
Michael D. Alligood
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The answer to you question is probably not one you want to hear but, you
cannot transfer or install the OS to the new PC. You will have to purchase a
licensed copy to install on the new computer (full retail version)

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Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI


"Dave Bullar" wrote in message
...
I have an older computer with winxp prof as operating system (and win98 by
dual-boot).
Have just ordered a faster new machine with no op system.
How do I go about installing winxp on the new machine and presumably

taking
it off the old one?
and what do I have to do to get the move approved by Microsoft?
Any help or pointers appreciated

--
Dave
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-
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'Probable impossibilities are to be preferred to improbable

possibilities.'
Aristotle




  #3  
Old July 26th 04, 12:09 AM
Star Fleet Admiral Q
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Is the WinXP OEM? Retail Upgrade? If either then one of your
computers will be without an OS.
Case 1 - OEM - OEM can only reside on the PC originally installed
(one of the reasons it is cheaper), and cannot be transferred to
another PC, at least legally by EULA.
Case 2 - Retail Upgrade - since Win98 was used as a base license
for upgrading to WinXP, then the 2 are tied together - thus if XP is
moved to the new PC, the Win98 license goes with it, thus leaving the
original PC without an OS, at least legally by EULA.

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"Dave Bullar" wrote in message
...
I have an older computer with winxp prof as operating system (and

win98 by
dual-boot).
Have just ordered a faster new machine with no op system.
How do I go about installing winxp on the new machine and presumably

taking
it off the old one?
and what do I have to do to get the move approved by Microsoft?
Any help or pointers appreciated

--
Dave
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

- - - -
- - - - - --- - - - - - - - - - -
'Probable impossibilities are to be preferred to improbable

possibilities.'
Aristotle




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Old July 26th 04, 12:12 AM
Miss Perspicacia Tick
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Michael D. Alligood wrote:
The answer to you question is probably not one you want to hear but,
you cannot transfer or install the OS to the new PC. You will have to
purchase a licensed copy to install on the new computer (full retail
version)


*Do* get your facts straight before posting. Where in his posting did he say
the old computer 'came with XP'?!

1) If the licence on the old system is OEM then, yes, it's tied to it
forever.

2) If the licence is an upgrade it's only valid as long as he still has
the *original* qualifying product.

3) If he does have the original QP, then he can, quite legally, transfer
it to the new system. He simply has to boot from the XP CD and insert the
qualifying media when prompted.

But, if it does transpire to be OEM then, yes, you're perfectly correct.



  #5  
Old July 26th 04, 12:13 AM
Gerry
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If Dave does not intend to use the old PC anymore, would he not be able to
first install his Win98 and than upgrade to WinXP? After all he paid for the
OS once.
Gerry

"Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message
...
The answer to you question is probably not one you want to hear but, you
cannot transfer or install the OS to the new PC. You will have to purchase

a
licensed copy to install on the new computer (full retail version)

--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI


"Dave Bullar" wrote in message
...
I have an older computer with winxp prof as operating system (and win98

by
dual-boot).
Have just ordered a faster new machine with no op system.
How do I go about installing winxp on the new machine and presumably

taking
it off the old one?
and what do I have to do to get the move approved by Microsoft?
Any help or pointers appreciated

--
Dave


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
-
- - - - - --- - - - - - - - - - -
'Probable impossibilities are to be preferred to improbable

possibilities.'
Aristotle






  #6  
Old July 26th 04, 12:22 AM
WinGuy
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"Dave Bullar" wrote in message
...
I have an older computer with winxp prof as operating system (and win98 by
dual-boot).
Have just ordered a faster new machine with no op system.
How do I go about installing winxp on the new machine and presumably

taking
it off the old one?
and what do I have to do to get the move approved by Microsoft?
Any help or pointers appreciated

--
Dave
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

-
- - - - - --- - - - - - - - - - -
'Probable impossibilities are to be preferred to improbable

possibilities.'
Aristotle


This article may be of interest to you:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...ovember12.mspx
As the article indicates, you need to install Windows before using the Files
and Settings Transfer Wizard in Windows XP.

Understand that the license for XP is itself married to your old hardware.
If it was installed at the time you purchased it (by the OEM, which means
Original Equipment Manufacture) then there is no chance that you can
transfer that XP CD to your new machine and you will have to go buy the full
(not an upgrade) version of XP-Home or XP-Pro (I'd stay with Pro since
that's what you'd be importing from using the above mentioned Wizard, and
I'm not sure you can import to a XP-Home what came from a XP-Pro machine).

You will not be able to install an update version of either type of XP to
the new machine unless you also possess the full version CD of a previous
version of Windows that was licensed to whoever the new license is going to
be for. Again, an OEM version of Windows will not work.

Assuming you have the full retail version CD of XP-Pro that you installed on
the machine you are going to retire, when you install it on the new machine
and try to register it you will probably get locked out on the new machine
and have to call Microsoft for a new activation code. You can try this, and
explain during the call what you are doing, and maybe they'll give you a new
activation code and maybe they will not (it's their call per the license).
Personal information may be required. If they say no (and I think they will
say no) then you'll have to go buy the appropriate XP CD and then do the
import method mentioned above.


  #7  
Old July 26th 04, 12:27 AM
Michael D. Alligood
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Default moving windowsxp

But with your 3rd option, wouldn't here legally be in violation of the EULA
because his QP was registered on the old computer as well? Just a thought.

--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI


"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
...
Michael D. Alligood wrote:
The answer to you question is probably not one you want to hear but,
you cannot transfer or install the OS to the new PC. You will have to
purchase a licensed copy to install on the new computer (full retail
version)


*Do* get your facts straight before posting. Where in his posting did he

say
the old computer 'came with XP'?!

1) If the licence on the old system is OEM then, yes, it's tied to it
forever.

2) If the licence is an upgrade it's only valid as long as he still has
the *original* qualifying product.

3) If he does have the original QP, then he can, quite legally,

transfer
it to the new system. He simply has to boot from the XP CD and insert the
qualifying media when prompted.

But, if it does transpire to be OEM then, yes, you're perfectly correct.





  #8  
Old July 26th 04, 10:01 AM
Miss Perspicacia Tick
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Michael D. Alligood wrote:
But with your 3rd option, wouldn't here legally be in violation of
the EULA because his QP was registered on the old computer as well?
Just a thought.


*SIGH* Where did you get the qualifications you claim to have - eBay?! You
don't appear to know /anything/!

If 98 was OEM then it cannot be transferred and it cannot be used as a QP on
the new system, therefore he will need to purchase the flavour of his
choice. If 98 is retail then, as long as he removes it from the old system,
it can be used as a QP on the new. QPs (as you should know) don't need to be
installed, the media just needs to be inserted when prompted. Though it's
not exactly legal, as 98 doesn't need to be installed, he could leave 98 on
the old system and merely use the disc to qualify XP on the new.

He will then be required to format the drive on the old system and reinstall
98 (if he wishes). Once he has XP on the new system, telephone activation
will - most likely - be required (unless it's been more than 120 days
between installations then he can probably reactivate online).

That clear enough for you?



  #9  
Old July 26th 04, 10:10 AM
Michael D. Alligood
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Default moving windowsxp

As far as the certs go, I got a great deal on them -- 2 more and I'll get a
set of steak knives!

As for the licensing, I will admit that I am a little weak in that subject
(This is something that I will remedy). I sometimes think Microsoft should
have a certification track for licensing -- MCLP (Microsoft Certified
Licensing Professional). Cool, now all I need is one more to reach my goal.

One more thing, I can take a joke just like the next person. I have no
problem with that. But do not ever insult my intelligence again. The fact
that a person is unclear about something does not make them an idiot. As I
said I can take it, but I have read post from you before. And I do not
appreciate the way you talk to people looking for help.

--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI


"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
...
Michael D. Alligood wrote:
But with your 3rd option, wouldn't here legally be in violation of
the EULA because his QP was registered on the old computer as well?
Just a thought.


*SIGH* Where did you get the qualifications you claim to have - eBay?! You
don't appear to know /anything/!

If 98 was OEM then it cannot be transferred and it cannot be used as a QP

on
the new system, therefore he will need to purchase the flavour of his
choice. If 98 is retail then, as long as he removes it from the old

system,
it can be used as a QP on the new. QPs (as you should know) don't need to

be
installed, the media just needs to be inserted when prompted. Though it's
not exactly legal, as 98 doesn't need to be installed, he could leave 98

on
the old system and merely use the disc to qualify XP on the new.

He will then be required to format the drive on the old system and

reinstall
98 (if he wishes). Once he has XP on the new system, telephone activation
will - most likely - be required (unless it's been more than 120 days
between installations then he can probably reactivate online).

That clear enough for you?





  #10  
Old July 26th 04, 10:10 AM
Miss Perspicacia Tick
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Default moving windowsxp

Michael D. Alligood wrote:
But with your 3rd option, wouldn't here legally be in violation of
the EULA because his QP was registered on the old computer as well?
Just a thought.


*SIGH* Where did you get the qualifications you claim to have - eBay?! You
don't appear to know /anything/!

If 98 was OEM then it cannot be transferred and it cannot be used as a QP on
the new system, therefore he will need to purchase the flavour of his
choice. If 98 is retail then, as long as he removes it from the old system,
it can be used as a QP on the new. QPs (as you should know) don't need to be
installed, the media just needs to be inserted when prompted. Though it's
not exactly legal, as 98 doesn't need to be installed, he could leave 98 on
the old system and merely use the disc to qualify XP on the new.

He will then be required to format the drive on the old system and reinstall
98 (if he wishes). Once he has XP on the new system, telephone activation
will - most likely - be required (unless it's been more than 120 days
between installations then he can probably reactivate online).

That clear enough for you?



  #11  
Old July 26th 04, 10:10 AM
Michael D. Alligood
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Default moving windowsxp

As far as the certs go, I got a great deal on them -- 2 more and I'll get a
set of steak knives!

As for the licensing, I will admit that I am a little weak in that subject
(This is something that I will remedy). I sometimes think Microsoft should
have a certification track for licensing -- MCLP (Microsoft Certified
Licensing Professional). Cool, now all I need is one more to reach my goal.

One more thing, I can take a joke just like the next person. I have no
problem with that. But do not ever insult my intelligence again. The fact
that a person is unclear about something does not make them an idiot. As I
said I can take it, but I have read post from you before. And I do not
appreciate the way you talk to people looking for help.

--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI


"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
...
Michael D. Alligood wrote:
But with your 3rd option, wouldn't here legally be in violation of
the EULA because his QP was registered on the old computer as well?
Just a thought.


*SIGH* Where did you get the qualifications you claim to have - eBay?! You
don't appear to know /anything/!

If 98 was OEM then it cannot be transferred and it cannot be used as a QP

on
the new system, therefore he will need to purchase the flavour of his
choice. If 98 is retail then, as long as he removes it from the old

system,
it can be used as a QP on the new. QPs (as you should know) don't need to

be
installed, the media just needs to be inserted when prompted. Though it's
not exactly legal, as 98 doesn't need to be installed, he could leave 98

on
the old system and merely use the disc to qualify XP on the new.

He will then be required to format the drive on the old system and

reinstall
98 (if he wishes). Once he has XP on the new system, telephone activation
will - most likely - be required (unless it's been more than 120 days
between installations then he can probably reactivate online).

That clear enough for you?





  #12  
Old July 26th 04, 10:21 AM
Bruce Chambers
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Default moving windowsxp

Greetings --

Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable),
simply remove WinXP from the computer it is currently on, and install
it onto the new one. If it's been more than 120 days since you last
activated that specific Product Key, you'll most likely be able to
activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you
might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


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"Dave Bullar" wrote in message
...
I have an older computer with winxp prof as operating system (and

win98 by
dual-boot).
Have just ordered a faster new machine with no op system.
How do I go about installing winxp on the new machine and presumably

taking
it off the old one?
and what do I have to do to get the move approved by Microsoft?
Any help or pointers appreciated

--
Dave
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

- - - -
- - - - - --- - - - - - - - - - -
'Probable impossibilities are to be preferred to improbable

possibilities.'
Aristotle




  #13  
Old July 26th 04, 10:21 AM
Bruce Chambers
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Default moving windowsxp

Greetings --

This would be correct only if the OP has an OEM license. Retail
licenses are transferable.

Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message
...
The answer to you question is probably not one you want to hear but,

you
cannot transfer or install the OS to the new PC. You will have to

purchase a
licensed copy to install on the new computer (full retail version)

--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI




  #14  
Old July 26th 04, 10:35 AM
Bruce Chambers
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Posts: n/a
Default moving windowsxp

Greetings --

Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable),
simply remove WinXP from the computer it is currently on, and install
it onto the new one. If it's been more than 120 days since you last
activated that specific Product Key, you'll most likely be able to
activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you
might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Dave Bullar" wrote in message
...
I have an older computer with winxp prof as operating system (and

win98 by
dual-boot).
Have just ordered a faster new machine with no op system.
How do I go about installing winxp on the new machine and presumably

taking
it off the old one?
and what do I have to do to get the move approved by Microsoft?
Any help or pointers appreciated

--
Dave
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

- - - -
- - - - - --- - - - - - - - - - -
'Probable impossibilities are to be preferred to improbable

possibilities.'
Aristotle




  #15  
Old July 26th 04, 10:35 AM
Bruce Chambers
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Default moving windowsxp

Greetings --

This would be correct only if the OP has an OEM license. Retail
licenses are transferable.

Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message
...
The answer to you question is probably not one you want to hear but,

you
cannot transfer or install the OS to the new PC. You will have to

purchase a
licensed copy to install on the new computer (full retail version)

--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI




 




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