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Temperature of CPU?
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:07:37 -0500, "SC Tom"
wrote: "Peter Jason" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 05:50:57 GMT, Tim wrote: Peter Jason wrote in : I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter My AMD A10 APU came with a monitor program, and one of the options is reading the sensors, voltages, and fan speeds. Just a word of warning: with any of these programs, if the temp displayed looks totally outragious in either direction, it is probably bogus. Not all motherboards and/or cpus implement temperature sensors in the standard way. If you didn't get a monitor program with your CPU (check the vendor support page, it may be there) try several of the listed programs in the following posts and take the consensus. Once you find one that seems to be accurate, stick with it. Thank you everyone. I'm trying "Core Temp 1.13" for a while. Of all the ones listed, I like Core Temp the best. I don't know if it's the MB or CPU sensors, but my Athlon X4 845 (and a previous AMD CPU) has always shown it idling at 0°C. Now, I know that can't be right :-( Core Temp allows an offset to be put in to adjust for temp correction. A number of articles say this CPU idles at ~26°C, so I put that in as an offset and everything appears to be normal, or at least closer to what I'd expect. I have overheat protection set in UEFI and in Core Temp, and have yet to have it shut down, so I have to assume the offset is at least close to correct :-) I have all the items required for water cooling, but it's not set up yet. Should I bother if I'm not a gamer? |
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KenW wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:20:15 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:30:32 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter I followed the suggestions and discovered that my CPU is running at 99C Is this good? bad? or indifferent? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Sorry don't reply to posts that have this junk This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus You just did |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:37:31 -0500, Wolf K
wrote: On 2019-01-23 16:20, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:30:32 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter I followed the suggestions and discovered that my CPU is running at 99C Is this good? bad? or indifferent? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus IMO it's bad. Not too bad, in that it will continue to run at that temperature (obviously), but that temp will degrade it faster, so rather sooner than later the CPU will fail. FWIW, the CPU on this box is running at 55-56C. I have no pretenses on being an expert on this, but 55-56C sounds pretty hot to me. Mine is around 34C here. |
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:37:31 -0500, Wolf K wrote: On 2019-01-23 16:20, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:30:32 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter I followed the suggestions and discovered that my CPU is running at 99C Is this good? bad? or indifferent? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus IMO it's bad. Not too bad, in that it will continue to run at that temperature (obviously), but that temp will degrade it faster, so rather sooner than later the CPU will fail. FWIW, the CPU on this box is running at 55-56C. I have no pretenses on being an expert on this, but 55-56C sounds pretty hot to me. Mine is around 34C here. You need to load up the CPU for a decent test. Having a CPU idling at 55C, means when you use it for something, the temperature is going to shoot higher, and it might end up throttling. CPUs with small silicon dies are harder to cool than larger silicon dies. The Athlon with the bare die was reasonably small. And harder to cool when you lowered a heatsink onto it. Even though at the time, it was a 65W CPU. A "good temperature for an Athlon" was 65C under load. They seemed to be happy there. On boards with the THERMTRIP addon chip (Attansic brand?), the power would get cut at 85-90C perhaps. ******* There's a claim that "LINPACK" heats up a CPU better than Prime95, so I tested that out. There is a tool here that uses a LINPACK executable. As an example. https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4...lburntest.html https://files01.tchspt.com/temp/IntelBurnTest.zip ( https://www.raymond.cc/blog/test-sys...tem-resources/ ) But what I tried instead, is just getting a LINPACK from the Intel site. https://software.intel.com/en-us/art...nchmarks-suite Windows* package (w_mklb_p_2018.3.011) (.zip) w_mklb_p_2018.3.011.zip 7,536,943 bytes Using 7ZIP, look for the "linpack" folder. w_mklb_p_2018.2.010\benchmarks_2018\windows\mkl\be nchmarks\ linpack runme_xeon64.bat In a compiler directory are a couple DLLs and a PDB (symbol table). w_mklb_p_2018.2.010\benchmarks_2018\windows\redist \intel64_win\compiler\ libiomp5md.dll 1652992 bytes libiompstubs5md.dll 110848 bytes Add the DLL kit into the linpack folder, then Command Prompt (as regular user) cd /d %userprofile%\Downloads\linpack runme_xeon64.bat Then, watch your Speedfan chart for temperature results. ******* I ran Prime95 as well, just whatever copy I had handy, and it's sorta in the same ballpark. The latest is here. At some point, the author of this tried perhaps, to use AVX512 or similar and some bug was uncovered. I don't remember the details, and perhaps the program is back to the old way of doing it. AVX512 heats up processors enough, to have its own protection/prevention scheme (the very definition of useless). https://www.mersenne.org/download/ Windows: 64-bit 29.4b8 2018-02-09 6.1MB p95v294b8.win64.zip The advantage of that one, is "double-click to start" on the EXE, and only answer one prompt ("Join GIMPS" - answer "Only testing"). After that, accepting the defaults starts N threads of test and makes your CPU heat up. Select Exit from the menu to stop it, as it'll run in the tray if you iconify it. These are the charts from my runs. The Intel Coretemps are used for the charts, and those have relatively large error bars at low temperature. That's how cores can end up reading "sub-ambient" temperatures. The delta on the two tests is about the same. https://i.postimg.cc/HnxGsc6m/linpack2.gif https://i.postimg.cc/KcqSpfY8/prime95.gif One run was drawing 208W, the other 211W, on my Kill-O-Watt. The power before the test starts is 95W or so. (Power varies on the machine, according to whether hard drives or used - in this case, the SSD boot drive gives the 95W power figure.) The machine goes higher, with a little help from the video card. Paul |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:39:55 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:37:31 -0500, Wolf K wrote: On 2019-01-23 16:20, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:30:32 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter I followed the suggestions and discovered that my CPU is running at 99C Is this good? bad? or indifferent? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus IMO it's bad. Not too bad, in that it will continue to run at that temperature (obviously), but that temp will degrade it faster, so rather sooner than later the CPU will fail. FWIW, the CPU on this box is running at 55-56C. I have no pretenses on being an expert on this, but 55-56C sounds pretty hot to me. Mine is around 34C here. I work on the bases "if I can't touch it, it's too hot!". Steve -- Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com |
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"Peter Jason" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:07:37 -0500, "SC Tom" wrote: "Peter Jason" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 05:50:57 GMT, Tim wrote: Peter Jason wrote in m: I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter My AMD A10 APU came with a monitor program, and one of the options is reading the sensors, voltages, and fan speeds. Just a word of warning: with any of these programs, if the temp displayed looks totally outragious in either direction, it is probably bogus. Not all motherboards and/or cpus implement temperature sensors in the standard way. If you didn't get a monitor program with your CPU (check the vendor support page, it may be there) try several of the listed programs in the following posts and take the consensus. Once you find one that seems to be accurate, stick with it. Thank you everyone. I'm trying "Core Temp 1.13" for a while. Of all the ones listed, I like Core Temp the best. I don't know if it's the MB or CPU sensors, but my Athlon X4 845 (and a previous AMD CPU) has always shown it idling at 0°C. Now, I know that can't be right :-( Core Temp allows an offset to be put in to adjust for temp correction. A number of articles say this CPU idles at ~26°C, so I put that in as an offset and everything appears to be normal, or at least closer to what I'd expect. I have overheat protection set in UEFI and in Core Temp, and have yet to have it shut down, so I have to assume the offset is at least close to correct :-) I have all the items required for water cooling, but it's not set up yet. Should I bother if I'm not a gamer? I would say if it's a PITA to do it, and your current temps are acceptable, why bother? If I had the complete kit, I might give it a try just to see what it does, but probably not- I'm just not the "try it and see" guy any more; I have better things to do :-) (Well, in my mind, they are better things to do, LOL!) -- SC Tom |
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"Peter Jason" wrote in message
... On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:07:37 -0500, "SC Tom" wrote: "Peter Jason" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 05:50:57 GMT, Tim wrote: Peter Jason wrote in : I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter My AMD A10 APU came with a monitor program, and one of the options is reading the sensors, voltages, and fan speeds. Just a word of warning: with any of these programs, if the temp displayed looks totally outragious in either direction, it is probably bogus. Not all motherboards and/or cpus implement temperature sensors in the standard way. If you didn't get a monitor program with your CPU (check the vendor support page, it may be there) try several of the listed programs in the following posts and take the consensus. Once you find one that seems to be accurate, stick with it. Thank you everyone. I'm trying "Core Temp 1.13" for a while. Of all the ones listed, I like Core Temp the best. I don't know if it's the MB or CPU sensors, but my Athlon X4 845 (and a previous AMD CPU) has always shown it idling at 0°C. Now, I know that can't be right :-( Core Temp allows an offset to be put in to adjust for temp correction. A number of articles say this CPU idles at ~26°C, so I put that in as an offset and everything appears to be normal, or at least closer to what I'd expect. I have overheat protection set in UEFI and in Core Temp, and have yet to have it shut down, so I have to assume the offset is at least close to correct :-) I have all the items required for water cooling, but it's not set up yet. Should I bother if I'm not a gamer? I have just rebuild and used a Corsair H80i vs All in one water cooling system. I changed to a case with better airflow..and replaced a Noctua NH-D15 Air Cooler. Running a 30% overclock on an Intel I5-6600k . My "normal " temps went up by 1 degree.. When I run prime 95 or RealBench or IntelBurn which stresses the CPU and in the case of RealBench the GPU as well my temps are the same as they were with the Noctua air cooler...Under stress I reach 55 C.. The H80i has 2 120mm fans running in push/pull config....its by no means the best water cooler but i bought it to see how it would do.If I were to repurchase I would by a larger one...240mm.... The Noctua ran fairly quiet and so does the H80i until the heat cranks up the fan/pump speed. Hope this helps in your decision making pk121 |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:15:31 +0000, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:39:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:37:31 -0500, Wolf K wrote: On 2019-01-23 16:20, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:30:32 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter I followed the suggestions and discovered that my CPU is running at 99C Is this good? bad? or indifferent? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus IMO it's bad. Not too bad, in that it will continue to run at that temperature (obviously), but that temp will degrade it faster, so rather sooner than later the CPU will fail. FWIW, the CPU on this box is running at 55-56C. I have no pretenses on being an expert on this, but 55-56C sounds pretty hot to me. Mine is around 34C here. I work on the bases "if I can't touch it, it's too hot!". All your base are belong to us. |
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:15:31 +0000, wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:39:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:37:31 -0500, Wolf K wrote: On 2019-01-23 16:20, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:30:32 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter I followed the suggestions and discovered that my CPU is running at 99C Is this good? bad? or indifferent? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus IMO it's bad. Not too bad, in that it will continue to run at that temperature (obviously), but that temp will degrade it faster, so rather sooner than later the CPU will fail. FWIW, the CPU on this box is running at 55-56C. I have no pretenses on being an expert on this, but 55-56C sounds pretty hot to me. Mine is around 34C here. I work on the bases "if I can't touch it, it's too hot!". All your base are belong to us. All yore basis belong us. Paul |
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:15:31 +0000, wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:39:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:37:31 -0500, Wolf K wrote: On 2019-01-23 16:20, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:30:32 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter I followed the suggestions and discovered that my CPU is running at 99C Is this good? bad? or indifferent? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus IMO it's bad. Not too bad, in that it will continue to run at that temperature (obviously), but that temp will degrade it faster, so rather sooner than later the CPU will fail. FWIW, the CPU on this box is running at 55-56C. I have no pretenses on being an expert on this, but 55-56C sounds pretty hot to me. Mine is around 34C here. I work on the bases "if I can't touch it, it's too hot!". All your base are belong to us. You have no chance to survive, make your time. ha ha ha -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:15:31 +0000, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:39:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:37:31 -0500, Wolf K wrote: On 2019-01-23 16:20, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:30:32 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter I followed the suggestions and discovered that my CPU is running at 99C Is this good? bad? or indifferent? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus IMO it's bad. Not too bad, in that it will continue to run at that temperature (obviously), but that temp will degrade it faster, so rather sooner than later the CPU will fail. FWIW, the CPU on this box is running at 55-56C. I have no pretenses on being an expert on this, but 55-56C sounds pretty hot to me. Mine is around 34C here. I work on the bases "if I can't touch it, it's too hot!". Too hot to touch starts at about 60C. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:37:31 -0500, Wolf K
wrote: On 2019-01-23 16:20, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:30:32 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: I am processing movies and the CPU is indicating 100%. Where can I see the temperature of the CPU? Peter I followed the suggestions and discovered that my CPU is running at 99C Is this good? bad? or indifferent? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus IMO it's bad. Not too bad, in that it will continue to run at that temperature (obviously), but that temp will degrade it faster, so rather sooner than later the CPU will fail. FWIW, the CPU on this box is running at 55-56C. Best, Thanks everyone who tried to help... Turns out the thermal paste had given up and needed replacing... So I did that.. Then I broke the pin holding the sink to the motherboard so That's getting fixed I use SETI to run the CPU hot.. seems to work well at that More as I know more |
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-27 11:57, wrote: [...] Turns out the thermal paste had given up and needed replacing... So I did that.. Then I broke the pin holding the sink to the motherboard so That's getting fixed I use SETI to run the CPU hot.. seems to work well at that More as I know more Thanks for the feedback heads up. :-) Thermal paste giving up? Never thought that could happen, will have to open this box and do a thorough inspection and clean. Haven't opened it in 5 years, and CPU temp is in the 50 to 60C range, on the high side of acceptable. Best, Generally, you take note of the temperature performance about three days after installation ("bedding in time"), then check over the years. If the temps under the same conditions have risen by 10C, you might re-apply the paste. Thermal pastes with particulate in them, tend to "settle" a bit after installation. Whether they have silver particles or boron nitride ("ceramic"). The only time you'll be in real trouble, is when the clamp on your cooler, snaps off the tab holding it down, and the cooler is "just hanging there". Throttling and THERMTRIP on modern systems, protect in that case. It's on systems that have no thermal monitoring whatsoever, that CPUs get fried (Athlon before AthlonXP). On the Intel systems with the push pins, sometimes one of those will come loose. Especially after the push pin has been "cycled" a number of times and it no longer fits right. The push pins involve a 90 degree rotation, between locked and unlocked. Plus they use a "spreading" notion, that makes the plastic bit behind the motherboard, too thick to fit through the mobo hole. Intel has some install videos, if you want to see how to operate their fasteners properly. The Intel cooler is perfectly good... on their lower TDP products (65W CPU that only draws 36 watts max). ******* One way for thermal pastes to fail, is by migration. Zinc Oxide in silicone oil is fairly motile. Some other preparations are specifically constructed to prevent that. The Intel "screened" material which is "hard" and "melts" when heated, then cools and solidifies afterwards, that stuff usually stays put. If you need to change that out (the stuff is "too rough" for the CPU to seat again), then the material has to be scrupulously removed, with some chance of damage to the metal underneath. I mention that, just so you have some idea of what you're headed for :-( I've cleaned one of those off before, and it wasn't all that much fun. Some new pastes have a "crumble" consistency and don't "spread" like butter on a cracker. If I read a description that a product is "too thick to spread" and "crumbles", I just don't buy it. I'd sooner have a toothpaste-like consistency and have to change it every five years, than have a miserable-to-work-with material. If you want "novelty materials" there is gallium liquid metal. https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3...corrosion-test Paul |
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